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Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2014.01.17 11:01:00 -
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The Caldari Scout racial bonus is 5% scan radius per level and 5% scan precision per level.
At level 5, this is the equivalent of one free standard range amplifier and one free complex precision enhancer (actually a little more since complex precision enhancers are 20%)
The Gallente Scout racial bonus is 5% scan radius per level and 5% profile signature reduction per level
At level 5, this is the equivalent of one free standard range amplifier and one free complex profile dampener.
The Minmatar Scout racial bonus is 5% hacking speed and nova knife damage per level.
At level 5, this is the equivalent of one free complex code breaker and multiple free complex sidearm damage modifiers
And now for the fun part,
The Amarr Scout racial bonus is 5% stamina recovery and max stamina per level.
At level 5, this is the equivalent of less than one basic cardiac regulator, and that's it. A basic cardiac regulator does 25% more stamina and 50% more stamina recovery.
So all other races get a free complex module and then some, but Amarr scout gets the short end of the stick here. I think it would be more than fair to bump this bonus to 20% stamina recovery and max stamina per level, which at level 5 would be 100% bonus to each which is the equivalent of one complex cardiac regulator.
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Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2014.01.17 20:08:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Vell0cet wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:I noticed the following stats. Source: http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65556/1/dropsuitsuprising18.jpghttps://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=136370&find=unread/[Race] [Max Stamina] [Stamina Rech. Rate] Caldari, 200/30 Gallente, 200/30 Minmatar, 210/35 Amarr, 225/40 Now lets compare this to the other classes. The best Commando suit (listed in the spreadsheet linked above) with the highest stamina and recharge rate is the Amarr Commando at 180/25. The Assault suit (currently) with the best stamina and recharge is the Minmatar Mk.0 with 175/15. The Logistics suit (currently) with the best stamina and recharge is the Logistics Ak.0 with 140/15. The Amarr scout, without fittings, is technically the best scout suit with the most maximum stamina and recover of any suit in any class. It also has 2H and 4L. Compared to other suit classes, this makes the Amarr Scout favorable to those who prefer endurance across long distances. Of course, the bonus only means that the effect will equal to one STD stamina mod compared to the bonuses that other suits in the same class get, but when taking into account the stamina amount and recovery of the Amarr Scout, this is not so bad. Do you really see people getting excited over stamina? It may have its uses, but it doesn't exactly have the "sex appeal" of the other suits. I just don't see an issue with this. Besides, the scouts are getting a lot of love overall. More CPU/PG, more high/low slots, more equipment slots, balanced out bonuses (yay! Mini Scout Hackers!), and finally racial parity.
I wouldn't see an issue with it either if the bonus was equal to a complex module like all the other scout racial bonuses. Just because scout as a whole are getting a lot of love doesn't mean you should ignore this obvious weak racial bonus.
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Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2014.01.20 18:16:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:Amarr has the best stamina on the scout....
this is the most important stat on a scout and along with 2H 4L
This suit will be a beast....
Most important stat is speed. Stamina is still important. Gallente scout also has 2H 4L. Also this thread has stated many times why increasing the stamina bonus on the suit that already has the most stamina would in fact not be over powered at all and easily countered.
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Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2014.01.20 18:22:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:Your crazy......
Give a smart scout this suit layout and he will rock it
Speed is useless without stamina so having the stamina bonus will be awesome
with one or two Cardiac Regs this suit will clear 500m without stopping for breath
With proto Amarr scout L5, Biotics L5, Cardiacs L5
this suit will easily hit 1000m and not have to stop
But it wouldn't have good scan precision, profile dampening, or hacking speed. Again, let me state this as clearly as possible about how this stamina bonus would be easily countered.
When you add a complex cardiac regulator to a Caldari or Gallente suit, they can sprint for 42 seconds. When you add a complex cardiac regulator to a Minmatar suit, they can sprint for 44.1 seconds. This isn't really far off from 45 seconds, which the Amarr scout would have if the bonus was in line with a complex cardiac regulator. When you consider that these suits are faster, they would also travel more distance in this shorter time. And yes, it is fair that these suits would have to use a slot to achieve similar stamina performance, because an Amarr would also have to use a slot if it wanted to achieve similar profile dampening, scan precision, or hacking speed.
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Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2014.01.20 18:32:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:Scouts are under-powered....
Its part of the parcel when wearing a Light suit
As a scout myself I think the Amarr scout will be worth speccing into
Caldari/Gallente will be the 'stealth' scouts
Minmatar/Amarr will be 'combat' scouts
I think they will make 4 fun and individual roles
But are you going to spec into it?
Simply saying "It sounds good to me" is not a good argument, especially while everyone else is providing cold hard facts and numbers.
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Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2014.01.20 19:46:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Assuming your Amarr Scout is level 5 and you fit a single Complex Cardiac Regulator
562 stamina / 100 stamina per second recovery.
Basically that's 295 meters of marathon running with about 5 1/2 seconds of downtime.
Kinda makes sense that they didn't give it a built in complex cardiac regulator otherwise you diminish the value of fitting them. Just my opinion.
It's the same darn thing with every other scout though. What is a Gallente scout puts a complex profile dampener on top of it's already built in complex profile dampener? What if a Caldari scout puts a complex precision enhancer on top of it's already built in complex precision enhancer. What if a Minmatar scout puts a complex codebreaker on top of its already built in complex codebreaker? Why is that so different from an Amarr scout putting on a complex cardiac regulator on top of a built in one?
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