Tank vs tank is garbage, easy-mode, and bad.

Why:
1.Damage mod rails destroy anything with no thought or strategy. Pop the damage mods and hit your target a couple times. Renders blasters useless even in close-quarter engagements (the blasters strength).

2. Any armor build will be destroyed in one volley (unless you have lol 3 hardners) by damage mod missiles (confirmed by AlldinKans using his missle build in testing).

3.Av is a nonfactor. Tanking was fun in uprising because you had to have awareness or you never had a chance. Now any noob can cycle hardeners and be god mode.

4. Active modules are gameplay destroyingly good. What do i mean? The hardeners are simply to good as well as damage mods. Their isn't anything strategic about them. They'll make any garbage tanker beast while activated.

5. In general tanks no longer take any skill: wanna pop a armor tank damage mod missiles one volley : wanna destroy any blaster use a rail: wanna two (three with hardener) shot anything damage mod rail. It would be one thing if their was simply advantages but in this build rock paper and scissors are so pronounced that skill (or even having a game plan) is non-existent. Just turn on the active modules and "gamebalance" will overpower enemy skill.

6. The only competition of skill (if you can call it that) is rail fights. This is because you must clutch shots

Blaster vs blaster doesnt require any timing or strategy. Now that you have passive reps, generally, in blaster fights both tanks have full health. So its just pop your mods and shoot at the massive target. Previously with active reps you had more to consider in a blaster fight. Example In this instance i had to consider my health being low and that the enemy had got the jump on me. I assumed he was or had popped his reps when he engaged me. I popped around the corner knowing that his reps would be ending. i won because i had got back my health and had more reps to win the rest of the fight.

Missile vs armor is what it should be an advantage. BUT The advantage vs armor tanks is too much. BUT Only because of how overpowered active modules are (In this situation stacked damage mods).

Many points are correct, however I strongly disagree on blaster vs blaster being dull.
It USED to be dull in 1.6 and ever before, it was always about two tanks parking and one dying. Now there's much movement.


The point on damamods is spot on, their power is so extreme (there's never been +30% damage module in CCP game to my knowledge).

Damamodded rails kill by two shot, without a chance of activating hardeners (only way to have enough time might be to be readily waiting on module activation wheel, and even then the chances are slim. Not even super reflexes are enough.
So the combination on rate of fire with damamod is stupedously effective.

Tank vs tank is garbage, easy-mode, and bad.

Why:
1.Damage mod rails destroy anything with no thought or strategy. Pop the damage mods and hit your target a couple times. Renders blasters useless even in close-quarter engagements (the blasters strength).

2. Any armor build will be destroyed in one volley (unless you have lol 3 hardners) by damage mod missiles (confirmed by AlldinKans using his missle build in testing).

3.Av is a nonfactor. Tanking was fun in uprising because you had to have awareness or you never had a chance. Now any noob can cycle hardeners and be god mode.

4. Active modules are gameplay destroyingly good. What do i mean? The hardeners are simply to good as well as damage mods. Their isn't anything strategic about them. They'll make any garbage tanker beast while activated.

5. In general tanks no longer take any skill: wanna pop a armor tank damage mod missiles one volley : wanna destroy any blaster use a rail: wanna two (three with hardener) shot anything damage mod rail. It would be one thing if their was simply advantages but in this build rock paper and scissors are so pronounced that skill (or even having a game plan) is non-existent. Just turn on the active modules and "gamebalance" will overpower enemy skill.

6. The only competition of skill (if you can call it that) is rail fights. This is because you must clutch shots

Blaster vs blaster doesnt require any timing or strategy. Now that you have passive reps, generally, in blaster fights both tanks have full health. So its just pop your mods and shoot at the massive target. Previously with active reps you had more to consider in a blaster fight. Example In this instance i had to consider my health being low and that the enemy had got the jump on me. I assumed he was or had popped his reps when he engaged me. I popped around the corner knowing that his reps would be ending. i won because i had got back my health and had more reps to win the rest of the fight.

Missile vs armor is what it should be an advantage. BUT The advantage vs armor tanks is too much. BUT Only because of how overpowered active modules are (In this situation stacked damage mods).

1. Blasters are Anti-Infantry not Anti-Tank :l

2. But missiles have long reload and are only good vs Madrugar... btw with 2 damage mods it's around 14k damage on Armor.

3. I prefer to think of infantry AV as support AV, though something needs to be done about Gunnlogi repairing through damage thanks to hardener.

4. Not sure about this yet.

5. Rails need a RoF reduction or higher heat buildup, that's all I'll say for now.

6. Pretty much.

Fun Fact: Shield Hardener allow Gunnlogis to rep through Blaster damage. The major downside with missiles is that it's not instant-hit and rails could easily dispose of those missile tanks on long range.

You don't get to choose when I bring in my PvP cruiser and lay waste to your ships in EVE (not saying I could...I'm a terrible pvper) in the same way you don't get to decide arbitrarily in war that your opponent wont use vehicles....

Agreed but currently the way things are tank vs tank is poor.

You don't get to choose when I bring in my PvP cruiser and lay waste to your ships in EVE (not saying I could...I'm a terrible pvper) in the same way you don't get to decide arbitrarily in war that your opponent wont use vehicles....

Why use a forge when you can call in a miltia and do about 3000 damage per shot with dmods and rail. Its a joke lol

Maybe you shouldn't have been so anti AV pre 1.7?

Before we had weak tanks that were only useful to skilled tankers and good AV.

Now we have EZ mode tanks that anyone can use and AV is quite terrible.

PLC is still awful.

Swarms range being nerfed was actually perfect IMO, but the dmg and mag reduction were too much.

FG nerf was, again, perfect IMO.

And AV grenades to weak to LAVs. Keep the dmg but give them a giant bonus when they hit LAVs and dropships.

They are good but are op when stacked with damage mods. Perhaps its just damage mods. Agree with the rails.

I like the idea of a devastating missile barrage. I hate that it can be done twelve times in a row. Not that ammo limits would matter with the broken recall mechanics.

Recall should be (re)moved in its entirety from the game now.

Vehicles are no longer expensive enough to warrant such a game mechanic.

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