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HYENAKILLER X AGGRESSIVE TYPE 477	Posted - 2014.01.16 14:26:00 - [1] - Quote Do you really think that you are actually doibg what everyone else is? Are you seriously impressed with the fact you hide in a tank all game? Do you have any idea how easy it is to make you guys miss? Does it even cross your mind that you arent even close to the same level as 99% of the dust community. I bet your really digging this tank exploit thing arent you? it is pathetic the way you guys impact this game vs your actuall skill. BE PROUD WARRIORS!!!!!!!!!! You are welcome for my leadership *Proven Aggressive Type
Jason Pearson 3925	Posted - 2014.01.16 14:30:00 - [2] - Quote I think I'm holding points and killing tanks, as instructed. I'm pretty impressed that I'm the guy people call on to deal with other tanks. Erm, is it? I don't seem to miss much, please try and make me miss. You're right, I'm 99% better. Exploit? If it takes such little skill, why are you not killing us? King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire \\ Bad Mathematician You're a total git, Jason. - kingbabar
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1035	Posted - 2014.01.16 14:32:00 - [3] - Quote Has it ever occurred to you that: This is a video game? Some people want to have fun? Some people like tanks and want to have fun with tanks in THIS game? Some people don't care about being a tryhard? Some people don't care about being a leet console gamer? Some people aren't kids who live in daddy's basement and need a game to make themselves feel special? Really, between a job, raising kids and blowing off steam with a beer how does anything in your childish mindset apply to real people? Once again folks we see why taking this game to console was a bad idea. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
HYENAKILLER X AGGRESSIVE TYPE 477	Posted - 2014.01.16 14:34:00 - [4] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: I think I'm holding points and killing tanks, as instructed. I'm pretty impressed that I'm the guy people call on to deal with other tanks. Erm, is it? I don't seem to miss much, please try and make me miss. You're right, I'm 99% better. Exploit? If it takes such little skill, why are you not killing us? Your whole post is lol And ive played you. You think you are seriously better than 99% of this community?Smh. You are welcome for my leadership *Proven Aggressive Type
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1121	Posted - 2014.01.16 14:35:00 - [5] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Do you really think that you are actually doibg what everyone else is? Are you seriously impressed with the fact you hide in a tank all game? Do you have any idea how easy it is to make you guys miss? Does it even cross your mind that you arent even close to the same level as 99% of the dust community. I bet your really digging this tank exploit thing arent you? it is pathetic the way you guys impact this game vs your actuall skill. BE PROUD WARRIORS!!!!!!!!!! theory requires testing, quick to the tank batman! "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout. CLOSED BETA VET
Serimos Haeraven The Exemplars Top Men. 600	Posted - 2014.01.16 14:36:00 - [6] - Quote Fail OP is fail OP.
Jason Pearson 3925	Posted - 2014.01.16 14:36:00 - [7] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: I think I'm holding points and killing tanks, as instructed. I'm pretty impressed that I'm the guy people call on to deal with other tanks. Erm, is it? I don't seem to miss much, please try and make me miss. You're right, I'm 99% better. Exploit? If it takes such little skill, why are you not killing us? Your whole post is lol And ive played you. You think you are seriously better than 99% of this community?Smh. Nah you're right, 80% of this community is ****, so we'll lower it by 19% :) this thread is lol, I answered you, should've answered with the correct response though. HTFU scrub. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire \\ Bad Mathematician You're a total git, Jason. - kingbabar
Amarrgheddon Warcaste 96	Posted - 2014.01.16 14:41:00 - [8] - Quote Question to OP. If they don't care that they ruined Dust 514, what makes you think they care about your opinion?
HYENAKILLER X AGGRESSIVE TYPE 477	Posted - 2014.01.16 14:47:00 - [9] - Quote Lol@jp I dont hide in squads or vehicles in pubs. thats a scrub move. Who are you kidding? Its pubs ffs. You are welcome for my leadership *Proven Aggressive Type
Jason Pearson 3925	Posted - 2014.01.16 14:49:00 - [10] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Lol@jp I dont hide in squads or vehicles in pubs. thats a scrub move. Who are you kidding? Its pubs ffs. That's your problem. Go play something else if you don't want squads and you don't want Vehicles. I heard CoD caters for your kind of playstyle ;) King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire \\ Bad Mathematician You're a total git, Jason. - kingbabar

HYENAKILLER X AGGRESSIVE TYPE 477	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:00:00 - [11] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Lol@jp I dont hide in squads or vehicles in pubs. thats a scrub move. Who are you kidding? Its pubs ffs. That's your problem. Go play something else if you don't want squads and you don't want Vehicles. I heard CoD caters for your kind of playstyle ;) Lol its crossed my mind. Do work scrub. You are welcome for my leadership *Proven Aggressive Type
Sev Alcatraz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 405	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:09:00 - [12] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Do you really think that you are actually doibg what everyone else is? Are you seriously impressed with the fact you hide in a tank all game? Do you have any idea how easy it is to make you guys miss? Does it even cross your mind that you arent even close to the same level as 99% of the dust community. I bet your really digging this tank exploit thing arent you? it is pathetic the way you guys impact this game vs your actuall skill. BE PROUD WARRIORS!!!!!!!!!! You narrow minded lil **, it takes more skill to drive a tank then it does to run around and shoot a gun. (Red lineung rail bitches need not count) closed beta vet-E3 MAXIMUM ARMOR**
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3536	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:12:00 - [13] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: That's your problem. Go play something else if you don't want squads and you don't want Vehicles. I heard CoD caters for your kind of playstyle ;) Isn't WoT free to play? And your on the forums so I assume you have a PC. Why not give it a go? Creator of The AV Registry The Pilot's Whipin' Boy // DJINN Lukeoplast's alleged sock *FORGE MASTER RACE*
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3536	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:13:00 - [14] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: You narrow minded lil **, it takes more skill to drive a tank then it does to run around and shoot a gun. (Red lineung rail bitches need not count) How? Creator of The AV Registry The Pilot's Whipin' Boy // DJINN Lukeoplast's alleged sock FORGE MASTER RACE**
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game 221	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:17:00 - [15] - Quote some maps are terrible for heavyies. most are very limited. im tired of blueberryies taking my lav. so i blow **** up with a tank. yes they are op. yes they are getting nerfed. will the nerf stop me tanking? no it wont. now please do continue to play with your rail rifle.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1041	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:21:00 - [16] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Lol@jp I dont hide in squads or vehicles in pubs. thats a scrub move. Who are you kidding? Its pubs ffs. I did infantry rifleman in RL. Why would I want to do something in a game that I could already do? Better to enjoy something I didn't get to do in RL. This kid really wants to winGÇª something. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
HYENAKILLER X AGGRESSIVE TYPE 478	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:29:00 - [17] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Lol@jp I dont hide in squads or vehicles in pubs. thats a scrub move. Who are you kidding? Its pubs ffs. I did infantry rifleman in RL. Why would I want to do something in a game that I could already do? Better to enjoy somethingI didn't get to do in RL. This kid really wants to winGÇª something. Just tired of guys who literally take no pride at all in their game at all. You cant tell me for one second that tanks arent easy mode. I want to fight guys with something to prove. I want to fight against guys who arent scared of nuetral territory. I want to fight men who DONT NEED THE UPPER HAND TO WIN. Ill find my place in line there no problem. Just tired of tank scrubs ruining games. You are welcome for my leadership *Proven Aggressive Type
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 793	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:43:00 - [18] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: I think I'm holding points and killing tanks, as instructed. I'm pretty impressed that I'm the guy people call on to deal with other tanks. Erm, is it? I don't seem to miss much, please try and make me miss. You're right, I'm 99% better. Exploit? If it takes such little skill, why are you not killing us? True ^ Only wanna be tankers are sort of doing what they are doing. Some people actually want to balance things to have a better gameplay... No tank exploit or AV exploit...
HYENAKILLER X AGGRESSIVE TYPE 478	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:52:00 - [19] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: I think I'm holding points and killing tanks, as instructed. I'm pretty impressed that I'm the guy people call on to deal with other tanks. Erm, is it? I don't seem to miss much, please try and make me miss. You're right, I'm 99% better. Exploit? If it takes such little skill, why are you not killing us? True ^ Only wanna be tankers are sort of doing what they are doing. Some people actually want to balance things to have a better gameplay... No tank exploit or AV exploit... Wannabee tankers? You mean there is a guy somewhere hiding in a vehicle im supposed to respect? Good humor. You are welcome for my leadership *Proven Aggressive Type
The Attorney General 1765	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:55:00 - [20] - Quote Until the OP takes off his dropsuit and fights like a real clone, this is just hypocrisy. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.

Chaos Scum Warcaste 16	Posted - 2014.01.16 16:00:00 - [21] - Quote What's wrong with tankers exploiting CCPs general lack of foresight? Every one does it almost every build. We all get over on CCP because they are in over their heads. Almost every aspect of the game has been botched at one point or another. We all use this to our advantage at some point Don't hate me because I'm dutiful.
ConantheCimmerian KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Legacy Rising 13	Posted - 2014.01.16 16:05:00 - [22] - Quote mkay, tanks are fine. Vehicle quota simply needs to be reduced...you don't like tanks? Stop playing ambush and try a real gametype. Sure, there are still tanks, but severely reduced numbers. As far as tanks go skill-wise. Theyre noob friendly but they are not all powerful god tanks. You cant hardly solo a tank with AV equipment anymore. You need a coordinated AV group OR you need to stay away from tanks...or DUST entirely if you cant cope with flavors of the month & adaptz
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 612	Posted - 2014.01.16 16:06:00 - [23] - Quote Someone's a little butthurt. HYENAKILLER X wrote: Do you really think that you are actually doibg what everyone else is? Are you seriously impressed with the fact you hide in a tank all game? Do you have any idea how easy it is to make you guys miss? Does it even cross your mind that you arent even close to the same level as 99% of the dust community. I bet your really digging this tank exploit thing arent you? it is pathetic the way you guys impact this game vs your actuall skill. BE PROUD WARRIORS!!!!!!!!!! No, it's apples and oranges. This is a loaded question so not really worth answering. Yes, I run from tank turrets all the time. Try doing it in a dropship sometime. (Wouldn't this mean aiming a tank turret takes some skill? You counter your own argument here, nice job.) Again, apples and oranges. Not at all. I drive thanks that I've actually skilled into (Gunnlogi with ADV turrets all the time with complex mods). Any simpleton, such as yourself, can jump into a Sica or Soma with a rail gun and take me out in a few seconds if I'm unprepared. Railtank spam is ridiculous and 99% of the time I'm in either my rail tank to counter other rail tanks or my missile tank to pop a pesky armor tank. I hardly have any infantry kills. In a world of paper, scissors rule. Go find a rock. Dropship Specialist Kills- Incubus: 4; Pythons: 1; Other DS: 28 Gêå1; Tanks: 27 Gêå2 1/1
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation ACME Holding Conglomerate 589	Posted - 2014.01.16 16:12:00 - [24] - Quote the only time u could count the tank easy mode is when now else on the other team has av or another tank ready to pull out. that was literally the only time tanks were easy mode. still is the only time tanks could be considered "easy mode". but isnt pulling out your heavily tanked out proto suit just to stomp the enemy team easy mode too? i normally pull out my anti proto bear tank when im tired of dieing. just for the simple fact that the enemy pulled out full proto while i only have access to a core skilled speced out mlt suit. and at the same time my own team is about to be redlined? yes i will pull out a motivational device to help my team win and boost morale by killing enemy proto bears and helping to push enemy objectives. i will let all my team members use my tank as cover from your extremely high damage pershot rail-rifles. just for them to get close enough to fight back. i consider tanks making the game a "challenge" for the try hard. im fine with them. im fine when going up against them. what im not fine with is the entire enemy team pulling out full proto to redline my own team for the entire match. so i got a tank and that redline crap doesnt happen much for me any more. unless its on certain maps. where its still possible.
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 796	Posted - 2014.01.16 16:20:00 - [25] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: I think I'm holding points and killing tanks, as instructed. I'm pretty impressed that I'm the guy people call on to deal with other tanks. Erm, is it? I don't seem to miss much, please try and make me miss. You're right, I'm 99% better. Exploit? If it takes such little skill, why are you not killing us? True ^ Only wanna be tankers are sort of doing what they are doing. Some people actually want to balance things to have a better gameplay... No tank exploit or AV exploit... Wannabee tankers? You mean there is a guy somewhere hiding in a vehicle im supposed to respect? Good humor. Well yes... There are tankers who actually spent most if not all their SP into Vehicles. If you face a tanker like that, you'd know from the very beginning. The problem right now is the spamming of Zero or Low SP invested tankers, spamming tanks which cost less than 1 proper AV fit. Can't tell much about FG, cause i'm not a FG user, but A fully loaded AV fit costs between 160 to 220K depending on the suit. There is no bang for that buck. It's more cost effective to drop 2-3 SOMA/SICA for that price. The point is tank vs av balance was bad Pre 1.7 and it's still pretty garbage. The balance just shifts from Tank to AV and AV to Tank... Never a good fight
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 796	Posted - 2014.01.16 16:22:00 - [26] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: the only time u could count the tank easy mode is when now else on the other team has av or another tank ready to pull out. that was literally the only time tanks were easy mode. still is the only time tanks could be considered "easy mode". but isnt pulling out your heavily tanked out proto suit just to stomp the enemy team easy mode too? i normally pull out my anti proto bear tank when im tired of dieing. just for the simple fact that the enemy pulled out full proto while i only have access to a core skilled speced out mlt suit. and at the same time my own team is about to be redlined? yes i will pull out a motivational device to help my team win and boost morale by killing enemy proto bears and helping to push enemy objectives. i will let all my team members use my tank as cover from your extremely high damage pershot rail-rifles. just for them to get close enough to fight back. i consider tanks making the game a "challenge" for the try hard. im fine with them. im fine when going up against them. what im not fine with is the entire enemy team pulling out full proto to redline my own team for the entire match. so i got a tank and that redline crap doesnt happen much for me any more. unless its on certain maps. where its still possible. I usually see you in a Jihad LAV CBJ...
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 1228	Posted - 2014.01.16 16:30:00 - [27] - Quote tbh, i'm cool with all tanks except for blaster tanks. i just don't see how it's fair that a tank can kill infantry with a blaster from over 200m away AND kill other tanks (albeit not as effectively) without giving up ANYTHING. but infantry have to use all this teamwork to kill a MLT tank that can kill them in a few shots. all the while I'm saying this, I'm soloing tanks. but i can see where everyone is coming from. Anime > EVERYTHING
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation ACME Holding Conglomerate 589	Posted - 2014.01.16 19:04:00 - [28] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: I usually see you in a Jihad LAV CBJ... im not CBJ....... hes the ceo of faction warfare army....the only corp that seems to be worse than the battle academy players.
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 3316	Posted - 2014.01.16 19:10:00 - [29] - Quote Do you seriously think I'm using tanks because they are a fotm, and not using them because I want to do something different? Has it crossed your mind that some people used tanks even when they were bad because they enjoy it? Ass hole... Lack of content makes stuff broken... Tank driver // specialized tank destroyer
The Attorney General 1768	Posted - 2014.01.16 19:12:00 - [30] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: Do you seriously think I'm using tanks because they are a fotm, and not using them because I want to do something different? Has it crossed your mind that some people used tanks even when they were bad because they enjoy it? Ass hole... I've been tanking since Uprising, but apparently I am a FotM chaser now. Loving it. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.

Chaos Scum Warcaste 18	Posted - 2014.01.16 19:12:00 - [31] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: Do you seriously think I'm using tanks because they are a fotm, and not using them because I want to do something different? Has it crossed your mind that some people used tanks even when they were bad because they enjoy it? Ass hole... when were tanks bad? Don't hate me because I'm dutiful.
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 3316	Posted - 2014.01.16 19:12:00 - [32] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: I think I'm holding points and killing tanks, as instructed. I'm pretty impressed that I'm the guy people call on to deal with other tanks. Erm, is it? I don't seem to miss much, please try and make me miss. You're right, I'm 99% better. Exploit? If it takes such little skill, why are you not killing us? Your whole post is lol And ive played you. You think you are seriously better than 99% of this community?Smh. Exhibit number one of angry scrub rifle user. Lack of content makes stuff broken... Tank driver // specialized tank destroyer
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 3316	Posted - 2014.01.16 19:19:00 - [33] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: Do you seriously think I'm using tanks because they are a fotm, and not using them because I want to do something different? Has it crossed your mind that some people used tanks even when they were bad because they enjoy it? Ass hole... I've been tanking since Uprising, but apparently I am a FotM chaser now. Loving it. Me too, I have been tanking since chromosome ffs. OP, I do come out of my tank sometimes and can still do well in a std bpo scout suit. Lack of content makes stuff broken... Tank driver // specialized tank destroyer
Vapor Forseti THE-TITANS 1	Posted - 2014.01.16 19:22:00 - [34] - Quote If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. The Captain of THE-TITANS and proud Militia Pub Stomper.
Chaos Scum Warcaste 18	Posted - 2014.01.16 19:22:00 - [35] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: The Attorney General wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: Do you seriously think I'm using tanks because they are a fotm, and not using them because I want to do something different? Has it crossed your mind that some people used tanks even when they were bad because they enjoy it? Ass hole... I've been tanking since Uprising, but apparently I am a FotM chaser now. Loving it. Me too, I have been tanking since chromosome ffs. OP, I do come out of my tank sometimes and can still do well in a std bpo scout suit. would you like a medal? you never answered my question. when were tanks bad? I would kill for my madrugar to be like it was in 1.6. Don't hate me because I'm dutiful.
The Attorney General 1768	Posted - 2014.01.16 19:28:00 - [36] - Quote Chaos Scum wrote: would you like a medal? you never answered my question. when were tanks bad? I would kill for my madrugar to be like it was in 1.6. It wasn't that tanks were bad. Well, Gunloggis were. The biggest reason why tanks were getting crapped on in 1.0-1.6 was because of horrible rendering. Because swarms users could be within range and not draw meant that invisible swarms that were doing massive damage were a common sight. Why would you want the old Maddy back? Slower, lower resists, but with better reps. Sure you could fit more on it, but the single fit requirement was boring. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
HiddenBrother Days of Ruin 30	Posted - 2014.01.16 19:33:00 - [37] - Quote Shoots at Soma with Rail rifle. Runs toward it. Why aren't you dying?! Ruin.
Chaos Scum Warcaste 18	Posted - 2014.01.16 19:36:00 - [38] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Chaos Scum wrote: would you like a medal? you never answered my question. when were tanks bad? I would kill for my madrugar to be like it was in 1.6. It wasn't that tanks were bad. Well, Gunloggis were. The biggest reason why tanks were getting crapped on in 1.0-1.6 was because of horrible rendering. Because swarms users could be within range and not draw meant that invisible swarms that were doing massive damage were a common sight. Why would you want the old Maddy back? Slower, lower resists, but with better reps. Sure you could fit more on it, but the single fit requirement was boring. I had scans, nitro dmg mod and passive resist. it was a decent little tank it only costed me 550k to fit and with some skill and luck I could make it last 3-5 matches. it could turn. Don't hate me because I'm dutiful.
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 799	Posted - 2014.01.16 19:41:00 - [39] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: I think I'm holding points and killing tanks, as instructed. I'm pretty impressed that I'm the guy people call on to deal with other tanks. Erm, is it? I don't seem to miss much, please try and make me miss. You're right, I'm 99% better. Exploit? If it takes such little skill, why are you not killing us? Your whole post is lol And ive played you. You think you are seriously better than 99% of this community?Smh. Exhibit number one of angry scrub rifle user. LOL true.. This guy is seriously Butthurt, that's all
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1044	Posted - 2014.01.16 19:52:00 - [40] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Lol@jp I dont hide in squads or vehicles in pubs. thats a scrub move. Who are you kidding? Its pubs ffs. I did infantry rifleman in RL. Why would I want to do something in a game that I could already do? Better to enjoy somethingI didn't get to do in RL. This kid really wants to winGÇª something. Just tired of guys who literally take no pride at all in their game at all. You cant tell me for one second that tanks arent easy mode. I want to fight guys with something to prove. I want to fight against guys who arent scared of nuetral territory. I want to fight men who DONT NEED THE UPPER HAND TO WIN. Ill find my place in line there no problem. Just tired of tank scrubs ruining games. Jesus nerd, get out in the real world. Go pick a fight in a bar. Join the military. You need a video game to give you that high? Who's the *****? I felt like you did once. I joined the Marines. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!

Ivy Zalinto Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd 255	Posted - 2014.01.16 19:53:00 - [41] - Quote Personally yes...Tanks are fun to use now that they arent 600k worth of paper mache. Which means that anyone who wanted to try tanks back when anything could kill them, well mostly anything; is coming out to play again. Thats where the influx of tanks is coming from. I personally main a scout using pistols and a plasma cannon 90% of the time. Still roll a gunnlogi on an alt and its really fun now. Quit bitching about tanks and learn to avoid them if their giving you that much trouble. Dedicated Stealth Scout. Scout instructor; Learning Coalition Scrambler Pistol dedication
Chaos Scum Warcaste 18	Posted - 2014.01.16 19:53:00 - [42] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Lol@jp I dont hide in squads or vehicles in pubs. thats a scrub move. Who are you kidding? Its pubs ffs. I did infantry rifleman in RL. Why would I want to do something in a game that I could already do? Better to enjoy somethingI didn't get to do in RL. This kid really wants to winGÇª something. Just tired of guys who literally take no pride at all in their game at all. You cant tell me for one second that tanks arent easy mode. I want to fight guys with something to prove. I want to fight against guys who arent scared of nuetral territory. I want to fight men who DONT NEED THE UPPER HAND TO WIN. Ill find my place in line there no problem. Just tired of tank scrubs ruining games. Jesus nerd, get out in the real world. Go pick a fight in a bar. Join the military. You need a video game to give you that high? Who's the *****? I felt like you did once. I joined the Marines. I would have but they no longer take wife beaters. Don't hate me because I'm dutiful.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1044	Posted - 2014.01.16 20:00:00 - [43] - Quote Chaos Scum wrote: Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Lol@jp I dont hide in squads or vehicles in pubs. thats a scrub move. Who are you kidding? Its pubs ffs. I did infantry rifleman in RL. Why would I want to do something in a game that I could already do? Better to enjoy somethingI didn't get to do in RL. This kid really wants to winGÇª something. Just tired of guys who literally take no pride at all in their game at all. You cant tell me for one second that tanks arent easy mode. I want to fight guys with something to prove. I want to fight against guys who arent scared of nuetral territory. I want to fight men who DONT NEED THE UPPER HAND TO WIN. Ill find my place in line there no problem. Just tired of tank scrubs ruining games. Jesus nerd, get out in the real world. Go pick a fight in a bar. Join the military. You need a video game to give you that high? Who's the *****? I felt like you did once. I joined the Marines. I would have but they no longer take wife beaters. You'd be insulting an awful lot of good guys with that remark. Guys like me that didn't fit the stereotype. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
Chaos Scum Warcaste 18	Posted - 2014.01.16 20:17:00 - [44] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: You'd be insulting an awful lot of good guys with that remark. Guys like me that didn't fit the stereotype. It is no insult. They don't. Don't hate me because I'm dutiful.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5793	Posted - 2014.01.16 20:32:00 - [45] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Do you really think that you are actually doibg what everyone else is? Are you seriously impressed with the fact you hide in a tank all game? Do you have any idea how easy it is to make you guys miss? Does it even cross your mind that you arent even close to the same level as 99% of the dust community. I bet your really digging this tank exploit thing arent you? it is pathetic the way you guys impact this game vs your actuall skill. BE PROUD WARRIORS!!!!!!!!!! Yeah I'm better than most foot soldiers on the ground and in a tank. Nope I'm not impressed which I why I rarely opt to tank anymore. I don't miss very often, but when I do its more a result of me being a terrible shot than anything my victim is doing. As I mentioned before, I'm not the best infantryman, but I'm better than most, except I'm trying to use a Commando suit..... Its not an exploit is poor balancing. No its not. Tanks need to warp the combat scenarios they impact....perhaps not so heavily as they do now, but they should add a new tactical hurdle to those fights. Yup BE PROUD ROAD WARRIORS!....sort of...... "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Stupid Blueberry Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 70	Posted - 2014.01.16 20:37:00 - [46] - Quote ITT: People who can't fit a rail Sica.
The Attorney General 1769	Posted - 2014.01.16 20:48:00 - [47] - Quote Chaos Scum wrote: The Attorney General wrote: Chaos Scum wrote: would you like a medal? you never answered my question. when were tanks bad? I would kill for my madrugar to be like it was in 1.6. It wasn't that tanks were bad. Well, Gunloggis were. The biggest reason why tanks were getting crapped on in 1.0-1.6 was because of horrible rendering. Because swarms users could be within range and not draw meant that invisible swarms that were doing massive damage were a common sight. Why would you want the old Maddy back? Slower, lower resists, but with better reps. Sure you could fit more on it, but the single fit requirement was boring. I had scans, nitro dmg mod and passive resist. it was a decent little tank it only costed me 550k to fit and with some skill and luck I could make it last 3-5 matches. it could turn. Horrible fit. You would have got rolledeverytime you met some running THE fit. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Chaos Scum Warcaste 18	Posted - 2014.01.16 20:52:00 - [48] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Chaos Scum wrote: The Attorney General wrote: Chaos Scum wrote: would you like a medal? you never answered my question. when were tanks bad? I would kill for my madrugar to be like it was in 1.6. It wasn't that tanks were bad. Well, Gunloggis were. The biggest reason why tanks were getting crapped on in 1.0-1.6 was because of horrible rendering. Because swarms users could be within range and not draw meant that invisible swarms that were doing massive damage were a common sight. Why would you want the old Maddy back? Slower, lower resists, but with better reps. Sure you could fit more on it, but the single fit requirement was boring. I had scans, nitro dmg mod and passive resist. it was a decent little tank it only costed me 550k to fit and with some skill and luck I could make it last 3-5 matches. it could turn. Horrible fit. You would have got rolledeverytime you met some running THE fit. youd be surprised how many PC maddies I pasted. Its was all about skill before. now its about the rail. Don't hate me because I'm dutiful.
Jason Pearson 3941	Posted - 2014.01.16 20:52:00 - [49] - Quote Atiim wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: That's your problem. Go play something else if you don't want squads and you don't want Vehicles. I heard CoD caters for your kind of playstyle ;) Isn't WoT free to play? And your on the forums so I assume you have a PC. Why not give it a go? Man if I had a good PC I'd be playing WoT, LOL, FoM, PS2, and whole host of games on steam, but I'm stuck with this thing that can barely run the forums :P King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire \\ Bad Mathematician You're a total git, Jason. - kingbabar
Chaos Scum Warcaste 18	Posted - 2014.01.16 21:07:00 - [50] - Quote @attorney general. I wanted to add I used a Light clarity shield booster as a buffer for swarms. It also worked well to soak up some damage from other blasters. no scanner most of the time. I also had a dual heavy repper at one point that could tank thru wyakormi swarms. Alpha was another story. Tanking was just plain more skilled last build. now anyone can do it. I could go into some decent gunnlogi fits too. Don't hate me because I'm dutiful.

CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation ACME Holding Conglomerate 589	Posted - 2014.01.16 21:28:00 - [51] - Quote i had a decent soma fit last biuld 2. was speccing into unlocking madrugar and gunlogi. after core skills. my 1.6 mlt tank has roughly the same amount of hp as it does currently. so tanking itself didnt actually involve much skill at all last build. a skilled pilot would be able to do well at avoiding majority of the av. not dieing. and beating higher tiered and better fitted tanks... i was very good at the first 2. the third though. it mostly played out with whoever had the better fitted tank won. thats how all the tank vs tank matches played out unless the guy driving the better fitted tank sucked completely. i admit to taking down a few blaster gunlogis last build with my soma. but that was mostly because they tried to run away after i fired my first few rounds at them. ive lost plenty of tanks in 1.6 and all the other previous builds. mostly because of av nades being so overpowered 2 vehicles. i honestly like the new tank changes. im still able to solo most mlt vehicles vastly the same way i did back in 1.6. by chucking 3 std av nades and finishing the vehicle off with my adv swarms. i cant say the same for std tanks though currently seeing as to how they are 30-40% better than mlt anyways.
Chaos Scum Warcaste 18	Posted - 2014.01.16 21:31:00 - [52] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: i had a decent soma fit last biuld 2. was speccing into unlocking madrugar and gunlogi. after core skills. my 1.6 mlt tank has roughly the same amount of hp as it does currently. so tanking itself didnt actually involve much skill at all last build. a skilled pilot would be able to do well at avoiding majority of the av. not dieing. and beating higher tiered and better fitted tanks... i was very good at the first 2. the third though. it mostly played out with whoever had the better fitted tank won. thats how all the tank vs tank matches played out unless the guy driving the better fitted tank sucked completely. i admit to taking down a few blaster gunlogis last build with my soma. but that was mostly because they tried to run away after i fired my first few rounds at them. ive lost plenty of tanks in 1.6 and all the other previous builds. mostly because of av nades being so overpowered 2 vehicles. i honestly like the new tank changes. im still able to solo most mlt vehicles vastly the same way i did back in 1.6. by chucking 3 std av nades and finishing the vehicle off with my adv swarms. i cant say the same for std tanks though currently seeing as to how they are 30-40% better than mlt anyways. If you kept track of how many deaths came from swarms then subtract it from your real deaths I died very little. like once a day. Don't hate me because I'm dutiful.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5793	Posted - 2014.01.16 21:33:00 - [53] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: i had a decent soma fit last biuld 2. was speccing into unlocking madrugar and gunlogi. after core skills. my 1.6 mlt tank has roughly the same amount of hp as it does currently. so tanking itself didnt actually involve much skill at all last build. a skilled pilot would be able to do well at avoiding majority of the av. not dieing. and beating higher tiered and better fitted tanks... i was very good at the first 2. the third though. it mostly played out with whoever had the better fitted tank won. thats how all the tank vs tank matches played out unless the guy driving the better fitted tank sucked completely. i admit to taking down a few blaster gunlogis last build with my soma. but that was mostly because they tried to run away after i fired my first few rounds at them. ive lost plenty of tanks in 1.6 and all the other previous builds. mostly because of av nades being so overpowered 2 vehicles. i honestly like the new tank changes. im still able to solo most mlt vehicles vastly the same way i did back in 1.6. by chucking 3 std av nades and finishing the vehicle off with my adv swarms. i cant say the same for std tanks though currently seeing as to how they are 30-40% better than mlt anyways. Sounds like you didn't tank at all last build. You couldn't see infantry past 50m, you couldn't avoid AV, since swarms were auto locking, high DPS, and 400m lock range... Tanking last build required skill, now you just sit their and take AV, practically pissing yourself laughing as you do it, all the while you just wait for the moment to activate a 30% damage module and open up with you railgun. No variation in tanking now, less skill, less over all fun. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3543	Posted - 2014.01.16 21:40:00 - [54] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Atiim wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: That's your problem. Go play something else if you don't want squads and you don't want Vehicles. I heard CoD caters for your kind of playstyle ;) Isn't WoT free to play? And your on the forums so I assume you have a PC. Why not give it a go? Man if I had a good PC I'd be playing WoT, LOL, FoM, PS2, and whole host of games on steam, but I'm stuck with this thing that can barely run the forums :P Looks like you got the short end of the stick :P My PC can run almost anything you throw at it, And those emulators.... Creator of The AV Registry The Pilot's Whipin' Boy // DJINN Lukeoplast's alleged sock *FORGE MASTER RACE*
Chaos Scum Warcaste 18	Posted - 2014.01.16 21:44:00 - [55] - Quote True Adamance wrote: CLONE117 wrote: i had a decent soma fit last biuld 2. was speccing into unlocking madrugar and gunlogi. after core skills. my 1.6 mlt tank has roughly the same amount of hp as it does currently. so tanking itself didnt actually involve much skill at all last build. a skilled pilot would be able to do well at avoiding majority of the av. not dieing. and beating higher tiered and better fitted tanks... i was very good at the first 2. the third though. it mostly played out with whoever had the better fitted tank won. thats how all the tank vs tank matches played out unless the guy driving the better fitted tank sucked completely. i admit to taking down a few blaster gunlogis last build with my soma. but that was mostly because they tried to run away after i fired my first few rounds at them. ive lost plenty of tanks in 1.6 and all the other previous builds. mostly because of av nades being so overpowered 2 vehicles. i honestly like the new tank changes. im still able to solo most mlt vehicles vastly the same way i did back in 1.6. by chucking 3 std av nades and finishing the vehicle off with my adv swarms. i cant say the same for std tanks though currently seeing as to how they are 30-40% better than mlt anyways. Sounds like you didn't tank at all last build. You couldn't see infantry past 50m, you couldn't avoid AV, since swarms were auto locking, high DPS, and 400m lock range... Tanking last build required skill, now you just sit their and take AV, practically pissing yourself laughing as you do it, all the while you just wait for the moment to activate a 30% damage module and open up with you railgun. No variation in tanking now, less skill, less over all fun. If he is talking about base hp he is just dumb. Rep cycle + passive +active resistance= survivability. if you didn't understand this you were dead. I ran more passive because my DS3 failed me when activating modules. Don't hate me because I'm dutiful.
Sextus Hardcock 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 203	Posted - 2014.01.16 22:05:00 - [56] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Until the OP takes off his dropsuit and fights like a real clone, this is just hypocrisy. I want the option to spawn without a dropsuit. maybe some blue warpaint. oh yes I am the sixth son Chrome Vet
Mortedeamor 1232	Posted - 2014.01.16 22:08:00 - [57] - Quote i do protest any slight on my aiming i rarely miss with my blaster or my lr jihhhaders = av lvl 0 swarm master = av lvl 99+
HYENAKILLER X AGGRESSIVE TYPE 478	Posted - 2014.01.16 22:48:00 - [58] - Quote I cannot even beleive you people think tanking requires skill. I literally need to walk away from this topic. You are welcome for my leadership *Proven Aggressive Type
Stupid Blueberry Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 71	Posted - 2014.01.16 22:57:00 - [59] - Quote Ok, here goes. Sica Militia Shield hardener Militia Railgun Damage Amplifier Militia Armor hardener x 2 Militia 80GJ Railgun And that's how you kill tank(s). Now stop complaining (unless you're a tanker, then go complain about these ridiculous railguns).
Jason Pearson 3946	Posted - 2014.01.16 22:58:00 - [60] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: Ok, here goes. Sica Militia Shield hardener Militia Railgun Damage Amplifier Militia Armor hardener x 2 Militia 80GJ Railgun And that's how you kill tank(s). Now stop complaining (unless you're a tanker, then go complain about these ridiculous railguns). lolthosefits. I kill a lot of them. You'll only kill with that if the tanker is an idiot or has already slayed like two others running the exact same fit. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire \\ Bad Mathematician You're a total git, Jason. - kingbabar

Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 137	Posted - 2014.01.16 22:59:00 - [61] - Quote DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Chaos Scum Warcaste 19	Posted - 2014.01.16 22:59:00 - [62] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Stupid Blueberry wrote: Ok, here goes. Sica Militia Shield hardener Militia Railgun Damage Amplifier Militia Armor hardener x 2 Militia 80GJ Railgun And that's how you kill tank(s). Now stop complaining (unless you're a tanker, then go complain about these ridiculous railguns). lolthosefits. I kill a lot of them. You'll only kill with that if the tanker is an idiot or has already slayed like two others running the exact same fit. or if you use it from the redline. Don't hate me because I'm dutiful.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5798	Posted - 2014.01.16 23:00:00 - [63] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: I cannot even beleive you people think tanking requires skill. I literally need to walk away from this topic. Really I can believe you think using infantry takes skill, fundamentally the same gameplay features apply to tanks and infantry, move, shoot, aim, kill. Admittedly tanks in 1.7 don't require skill however the changes to how tanks worked were necessary, now however we need to rebalance HAV to bring them back in line, or re designate the role they perform on the battlefield. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Stupid Blueberry Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 71	Posted - 2014.01.16 23:01:00 - [64] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Stupid Blueberry wrote: Ok, here goes. Sica Militia Shield hardener Militia Railgun Damage Amplifier Militia Armor hardener x 2 Militia 80GJ Railgun And that's how you kill tank(s). Now stop complaining (unless you're a tanker, then go complain about these ridiculous railguns). lolthosefits. I kill a lot of them. You'll only kill with that if the tanker is an idiot or has already slayed like two others running the exact same fit. I've killed a lot of idiots, then. Lots of idiots with Madrugars and Gunnlogis.
Jason Pearson 3951	Posted - 2014.01.16 23:01:00 - [65] - Quote Chaos Scum wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Stupid Blueberry wrote: Ok, here goes. Sica Militia Shield hardener Militia Railgun Damage Amplifier Militia Armor hardener x 2 Militia 80GJ Railgun And that's how you kill tank(s). Now stop complaining (unless you're a tanker, then go complain about these ridiculous railguns). lolthosefits. I kill a lot of them. You'll only kill with that if the tanker is an idiot or has already slayed like two others running the exact same fit. or if you use it from the redline. It'll only be used from the redline unless you're able to sneak up on a unsuspecting tanker, and if you do, no grudge because you've exposed yourself. Redline tankers are easily avoided, sure some will get you from time to time but honestly, if you're aware of your surroundings these militia rail tanks won't do ****, especially if you're running a decent fit. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire \\ Bad Mathematician You're a total git, Jason. - kingbabar
LEHON Xeon Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 75	Posted - 2014.01.16 23:02:00 - [66] - Quote Most tankers I've run into in matches if they ever get out and think they can kill me, even in heavy suits with an HMG, I kill them almost instantly with my CR. There's some tank guys out there who actually are good in tanks and not just scrubs hiding in a HAV as that's what they've always done. However, most of these clowns, take that MLT tank away and they go 2-10 on foot. Necrophillia: That Uncontrollable Urge To Crack Open A Cold One.
Jason Pearson 3951	Posted - 2014.01.16 23:03:00 - [67] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Stupid Blueberry wrote: Ok, here goes. Sica Militia Shield hardener Militia Railgun Damage Amplifier Militia Armor hardener x 2 Militia 80GJ Railgun And that's how you kill tank(s). Now stop complaining (unless you're a tanker, then go complain about these ridiculous railguns). lolthosefits. I kill a lot of them. You'll only kill with that if the tanker is an idiot or has already slayed like two others running the exact same fit. I've killed a lot of idiots, then. Lots of idiots with Madrugars and Gunnlogis. Mate, there are plenty of idiots driving tanks right now, doesn't matter if they're driving Standard or Militia, plenty of players have spec'd in to the FOTM, and will disappear once we get nerfed (and end up getting 3 shotted by AV nades again, sigh..). These players are awful and die quickly. I mean if you're running a blaster and you're on an open road and you see a Proto cannon with a damage mod on aiming at you, you do not rush forward, I've had several players do that. xD King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire \\ Bad Mathematician You're a total git, Jason. - kingbabar
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5798	Posted - 2014.01.16 23:04:00 - [68] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Chaos Scum wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Stupid Blueberry wrote: Ok, here goes. Sica Militia Shield hardener Militia Railgun Damage Amplifier Militia Armor hardener x 2 Militia 80GJ Railgun And that's how you kill tank(s). Now stop complaining (unless you're a tanker, then go complain about these ridiculous railguns). lolthosefits. I kill a lot of them. You'll only kill with that if the tanker is an idiot or has already slayed like two others running the exact same fit. or if you use it from the redline. It'll only be used from the redline unless you're able to sneak up on a unsuspecting tanker, and if you do, no grudge because you've exposed yourself. Redline tankers are easily avoided, sure some will get you from time to time but honestly, if you're aware of your surroundings these militia rail tanks won't do **, especially if you're running a decent fit. Nah Jason you are just a freaking awesome tanker..... I'm bog standard Good, and frankly speaking I can kill more HAV running his fit than I can on a proto Blaster/module Madrugar, without ever having to run outside the redline. Its boring as hell, playing tank like this since almost every other scrub and his month has this fit practically favourite just incase an enemy HAV enters the field and isn't ** enough to rail snipe. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Stupid Blueberry Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 71	Posted - 2014.01.16 23:05:00 - [69] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Stupid Blueberry wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Stupid Blueberry wrote: Ok, here goes. Sica Militia Shield hardener Militia Railgun Damage Amplifier Militia Armor hardener x 2 Militia 80GJ Railgun And that's how you kill tank(s). Now stop complaining (unless you're a tanker, then go complain about these ridiculous railguns). lolthosefits. I kill a lot of them. You'll only kill with that if the tanker is an idiot or has already slayed like two others running the exact same fit. I've killed a lot of idiots, then. Lots of idiots with Madrugars and Gunnlogis. Mate, there are plenty of idiots driving tanks right now, doesn't matter if they're driving Standard or Militia, plenty of players have spec'd in to the FOTM, and will disappear once we get nerfed (and end up getting 3 shotted by AV nades again, sigh..). These players are awful and die quickly. I mean if you're running a blaster and you're on an open road and you see a Proto cannon with a damage mod on aiming at you, you do not rush forward, I've had several players do that. xD Well, if you get into a 1v1 against a tank in this fit and they kill you, I'd say the tank deserves to stay
Chaos Scum Warcaste 19	Posted - 2014.01.16 23:05:00 - [70] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Stupid Blueberry wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Stupid Blueberry wrote: Ok, here goes. Sica Militia Shield hardener Militia Railgun Damage Amplifier Militia Armor hardener x 2 Militia 80GJ Railgun And that's how you kill tank(s). Now stop complaining (unless you're a tanker, then go complain about these ridiculous railguns). lolthosefits. I kill a lot of them. You'll only kill with that if the tanker is an idiot or has already slayed like two others running the exact same fit. I've killed a lot of idiots, then. Lots of idiots with Madrugars and Gunnlogis. Mate, there are plenty of idiots driving tanks right now, doesn't matter if they're driving Standard or Militia, plenty of players have spec'd in to the FOTM, and will disappear once we get nerfed (and end up getting 3 shotted by AV nades again, sigh..). These players are awful and die quickly. I mean if you're running a blaster and you're on an open road and you see a Proto cannon with a damage mod on aiming at you, you do not rush forward, I've had several players do that. xD proto cannons aren't that scary. its the dual hardened maddies they sit on. Don't hate me because I'm dutiful.

Jason Pearson 3952	Posted - 2014.01.16 23:14:00 - [71] - Quote Chaos Scum wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Stupid Blueberry wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Stupid Blueberry wrote: Ok, here goes. Sica Militia Shield hardener Militia Railgun Damage Amplifier Militia Armor hardener x 2 Militia 80GJ Railgun And that's how you kill tank(s). Now stop complaining (unless you're a tanker, then go complain about these ridiculous railguns). lolthosefits. I kill a lot of them. You'll only kill with that if the tanker is an idiot or has already slayed like two others running the exact same fit. I've killed a lot of idiots, then. Lots of idiots with Madrugars and Gunnlogis. Mate, there are plenty of idiots driving tanks right now, doesn't matter if they're driving Standard or Militia, plenty of players have spec'd in to the FOTM, and will disappear once we get nerfed (and end up getting 3 shotted by AV nades again, sigh..). These players are awful and die quickly. I mean if you're running a blaster and you're on an open road and you see a Proto cannon with a damage mod on aiming at you, you do not rush forward, I've had several players do that. xD proto cannons aren't that scary. its the dual hardened maddies they sit on. You mean the burning wrecks that can't compete with my Gunnlogi? Yeah, I'd disagree.. ;) Oh and True Adamance, d'aww you can stay forever :P I'm really not great, I'm decent, but compared to some tankers I look like a 0sp nub lol King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire \\ Bad Mathematician You're a total git, Jason. - kingbabar
The Attorney General 1772	Posted - 2014.01.16 23:32:00 - [72] - Quote Chaos Scum wrote: Chaos Scum wrote: I had scans, nitro dmg mod and passive resist. it was a decent little tank it only costed me 550k to fit and with some skill and luck I could make it last 3-5 matches. it could turn. youd be surprised how many PC maddies I pasted. Its was all about skill before. now its about the rail. [/quote] I would be surprised if you pasted any maddies, let alone PC tankers. That fit of yours would have been smashed every time it encountered anyone who was playing PC. Nitrous Scan 2x Carapace Hardener 1 x Heavy Efficient Rep 180 Nano Proto turret of choice. Scattered Blaster or Compressed Rail most likely, Vanilla Paticle Cannon for those in the know. There was a little leeway, either swapping out nitrous or stepping up the plate on a Missile turret, but if you were not running that you were pretty much done. There was no fitting variation, it was either run that, or its lesser cousins, or get rolled. Skill was in positioning only, because either you started firing first or you didn't. Unless you could goad an enemy into a mistake after that point, shooting second was fatal. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
The Attorney General 1772	Posted - 2014.01.16 23:36:00 - [73] - Quote Chaos Scum wrote: proto cannons aren't that scary. its the dual hardened maddies they sit on. Madrugars are sad right now. If you are afraid of a maddy, I feel bad for you. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
TheDarthMa94 The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 72	Posted - 2014.01.16 23:36:00 - [74] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Do you really think that you are actually doibg what everyone else is? Are you seriously impressed with the fact you hide in a tank all game? Do you have any idea how easy it is to make you guys miss? Does it even cross your mind that you arent even close to the same level as 99% of the dust community. I bet your really digging this tank exploit thing arent you? it is pathetic the way you guys impact this game vs your actuall skill. BE PROUD WARRIORS!!!!!!!!!! You mad bro??? Sith Apprentice and Director of NAO "1000, 2000, 3000, you all gonna make me rich!"
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 3585	Posted - 2014.01.16 23:39:00 - [75] - Quote Do you really think that you are actually doibg what everyone else is? If you mean playing this game, then yes. Are you seriously impressed with the fact you hide in a tank all game? Are you impressed by the fact that you use a dropsuit? Do you have any idea how easy it is to make you guys miss? I'm not sure wtf you're asking Does it even cross your mind that you arent even close to the same level as 99% of the dust community. Does it cross your mind that I'm capable of every playstyle, and currently have SP in literally every weapon, dropsuit race, and vehicle? I bet your really digging this tank exploit thing arent you? Just as you're really digging your OP-as-hell racial assault rifles, I'm using this situation to fund my future scout and dropsuit endeavors. We used to have a time machine
TunRa NEW OMENS 369	Posted - 2014.01.16 23:39:00 - [76] - Quote What do you mean by vehicle animations? I don't see animations in other games for getting in/out of vehicles. Thanks CCP Foxfour
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1051	Posted - 2014.01.17 02:29:00 - [77] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Lol@jp I dont hide in squads or vehicles in pubs. thats a scrub move. Who are you kidding? Its pubs ffs. I did infantry rifleman in RL. Why would I want to do something in a game that I could already do? Better to enjoy somethingI didn't get to do in RL. This kid really wants to winGÇª something. Just tired of guys who literally take no pride at all in their game at all. You cant tell me for one second that tanks arent easy mode. I want to fight guys with something to prove. I want to fight against guys who arent scared of nuetral territory. I want to fight men who DONT NEED THE UPPER HAND TO WIN. Ill find my place in line there no problem. Just tired of tank scrubs ruining games. Skill up into a missile ginnlogi and tell me it's easy mode. I don't usually worry about infantry. I'm after tanks and every tank fit outclasses a gunnlogi with missiles in some way. It's a very thin, specific set of circumstances that allow a missile gunny the upper hand. Even a missile maddy comes out three times as good. Anyway, a player that plays tanks isn't always a power player tryhard. Some ppl actially want to enjoy the tank thing. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 111	Posted - 2014.01.17 04:27:00 - [78] - Quote played an ambush match ealier today there were 2 madruagrs on it blaster/railgun. i spwaned my proto gall assualt with wykomi swarm and managed to kill both tanks. solo. tanks arnt really runing this gmae its people who dont know how to deal or avoid tanks that are runing this game.
Serimos Haeraven The Exemplars Top Men. 603	Posted - 2014.01.17 04:34:00 - [79] - Quote wait-a-minute did the OP just like my "fail OP is fail OP" comment?
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3563	Posted - 2014.01.17 04:37:00 - [80] - Quote Serimos Haeraven wrote: wait-a-minute did the OP just like my "fail OP is fail OP" comment? I guess that means it's a troll/bait thread huh? If so, I'd say he did a pretty good job. Horrible use of grammar and a slightly biased and aggressive attitude always the "to-go" method for stirring up trouble. Creator of The AV Registry The Pilot's Whipin' Boy // DJINN Lukeoplast's alleged sock *FORGE MASTER RACE*

Alpha 443-6732 299	Posted - 2014.01.17 04:38:00 - [81] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Chaos Scum wrote: The Attorney General wrote: Chaos Scum wrote: would you like a medal? you never answered my question. when were tanks bad? I would kill for my madrugar to be like it was in 1.6. It wasn't that tanks were bad. Well, Gunloggis were. The biggest reason why tanks were getting crapped on in 1.0-1.6 was because of horrible rendering. Because swarms users could be within range and not draw meant that invisible swarms that were doing massive damage were a common sight. Why would you want the old Maddy back? Slower, lower resists, but with better reps. Sure you could fit more on it, but the single fit requirement was boring. I had scans, nitro dmg mod and passive resist. it was a decent little tank it only costed me 550k to fit and with some skill and luck I could make it last 3-5 matches. it could turn. Horrible fit. You would have got rolledeverytime you met some running THE fit. resist + super rep build > THE FIT Maxed vayu w/ super rep super resist build > everything (and I had the maths and expereince needed to back that up, I probably told you about it before when we squadded up that one time before 1.7) Because racism is realism
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1641	Posted - 2014.01.17 04:43:00 - [82] - Quote it's FOTM chasers, not tankers. Tankers have been running tanks whether they were OP or UP. FOTM chasers only recently started using them. Stop mixing us up./ Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3572	Posted - 2014.01.17 12:14:00 - [83] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: it's FOTM chasers, not tankers. Tankers have been running tanks whether they were OP or UP. FOTM chasers only recently started using them. Stop mixing us up./ But who caused the FoTM chasers to be enabled, despite being reminded daily of what would happen? That's why l am glad to see how the community is practically eating tankers right now. Such a fitting consequence. Creator of The AV Registry The Pilot's Whipin' Boy // DJINN Lukeoplast's alleged sock *FORGE MASTER RACE*
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1643	Posted - 2014.01.17 13:48:00 - [84] - Quote Atiim wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: it's FOTM chasers, not tankers. Tankers have been running tanks whether they were OP or UP. FOTM chasers only recently started using them. Stop mixing us up./ But who caused the FoTM chasers to be enabled, despite being reminded daily of what would happen? That's why l am glad to see how the community is practically eating tankers right now. Such a fitting consequence. Tanks wouldn't have become OP if infantry didn't ***** and moan during chrome when they were reasonably balanced, causing us to be as bad as scouts. So the best tankers got really good to survive is it any wonder that we're nearly impossible to kill? I can go 1 v 6 in a tank pub Battle and win BC I adapted to nerfs. QQing breeds the best players out of nerfs. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
thomas mak STRONG-ARMED BANDITS Public Disorder. 21	Posted - 2014.01.17 13:50:00 - [85] - Quote We are actually doibg(doing) what everyone else is(killing) No one hide in a tank all game, at least real tanker don't, we call our tank after calculate the risk and how much I can do with a tank Try make us miss Did you even see REAL tank vs tank? Nope it is patheticthe the way you guys CAN'T impact this game vs your actuall skill, you just mad that you can't even break the sheild of a tank, just now I have a game with a mit rail tank without my left hand ( no moving due to eating), and I found that no one can distroy a fixed object which only have a rail turret on it ( more than 3 idiots just run to me trying to place some RE on me that they are holding) BE PROUD TANKERS, YOU DON'T NEED TO BE MAD WITH IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and tank aren't op, in preupdate tanks are more powerfull, no unbalanceness, now they lose their main mods and you said it is op, they just apper more than before, because they don't need to buy mods to fix on a tank. *Real tanker dies with their tanks!*
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3577	Posted - 2014.01.17 14:54:00 - [86] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Tanks wouldn't have become OP if infantry didn't *** and moan during chrome when they were reasonably balanced, causing us to be as bad as scouts. So the best tankers got really good to survive is it any wonder that we're nearly impossible to kill? I can go 1 v 6 in a tank pub Battle and win BC I adapted to nerfs. QQing breeds the best players out of nerfs. Lolno. Vehicles wouldn't have become OP if it wasn't for people like you and Spkr4TheDead over-exaggerating ever detail possible all throught Uprising. I'm not wondering why your impossible to kill. Why? Because. I already knew why people would even before 1.7 dropped. Any Tom, , and Harry can easily hop into a tank and go 30/0 with minimal to no effort. Heck, I gave the controller to my 8 year old daughter and she managed to go 27/1 (She died to a Redline Tank at th end). If you think that you can survive entire matches because of your "skill" then I feel bad for you. Also, the way you worded that post would imply that you actually adapted. I'd fix that up If I were you. -HAND Creator of The AV Registry The Pilot's Whipin' Boy // DJINN Lukeoplast's alleged sock FORGE MASTER RACE**
The Attorney General 1775	Posted - 2014.01.17 14:59:00 - [87] - Quote Atiim wrote: Lolno. Vehicles wouldn't have become OP if it wasn't for people like you and Spkr4TheDead over-exaggerating ever detail possible all throught Uprising. I'm not wondering why your impossible to kill. Why? Because. I already knew why people would even before 1.7 dropped. Any Tom, ****, and Harry can easily hop into a tank and go 30/0 with minimal to no effort. Heck, I gave the controller to my 8 year old daughter and she managed to go 27/1 (She died to a Redline Tank at th end). If you think that you can survive entire matches because of your "skill" then I feel bad for you. Also, the way you worded that post would imply that you actually adapted. I'd fix that up If I were you. -HAND I would blame certain tankers, but also the vast horde of infantry who refused to even discuss anything about the OP av of the time. What is funny is that you complain about not wanting to spec into a forge and a fat suit to deal with tanks, but I as a vehicle driver had to spec into a dropsuit, a sniper rifle, and a whole host of supporting skills so that I could get people off of rooftops before 1.7. Did I cry about it? Nope, I just dumped 4 million SP into countering my counter. Did I want to do it? Of course not, who wants to be a scrub sniper? But the game gave me no choice, so I adapted. Now you can continue blaming everyone else, and trying to act high and mighty. Because you could never be part of the problem at all could you? Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3577	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:07:00 - [88] - Quote Kinda hard to be part of the problem that somebody else created. Creator of The AV Registry The Pilot's Whipin' Boy // DJINN Lukeoplast's alleged sock *FORGE MASTER RACE*
Chaos Scum Warcaste 23	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:15:00 - [89] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Atiim wrote: Lolno. Vehicles wouldn't have become OP if it wasn't for people like you and Spkr4TheDead over-exaggerating ever detail possible all throught Uprising. I'm not wondering why your impossible to kill. Why? Because. I already knew why people would even before 1.7 dropped. Any Tom, ****, and Harry can easily hop into a tank and go 30/0 with minimal to no effort. Heck, I gave the controller to my 8 year old daughter and she managed to go 27/1 (She died to a Redline Tank at th end). If you think that you can survive entire matches because of your "skill" then I feel bad for you. Also, the way you worded that post would imply that you actually adapted. I'd fix that up If I were you. -HAND I would blame certain tankers, but also the vast horde of infantry who refused to even discuss anything about the OP av of the time. What is funny is that you complain about not wanting to spec into a forge and a fat suit to deal with tanks, but I as a vehicle driver had to spec into a dropsuit, a sniper rifle, and a whole host of supporting skills so that I could get people off of rooftops before 1.7. Did I cry about it? Nope, I just dumped 4 million SP into countering my counter. Did I want to do it? Of course not, who wants to be a scrub sniper? But the game gave me no choice, so I adapted. Now you can continue blaming everyone else, and trying to act high and mighty. Because you could never be part of the problem at all could you? you are not a tank. you are infantry. you chose not to put skills into infantry in favor of using one piece of equipment on the battle field. the tank is immune to almost every weapon. the infantry you are making your argument against are vulnerable to every weapon including your tank. everyones choices are different, AV is not for everyone, neither is tanking. If the tankers and AVers could fight this out without everyone else being dragged into it, it would be preferable. The way CCP has it set up is the person who skilled into tanks has the upper hand. this should have never have happened, it is making everyone miserable. Don't hate me because I'm dutiful.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1139	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:16:00 - [90] - Quote Atiim wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Tanks wouldn't have become OP if infantry didn't *** and moan during chrome when they were reasonably balanced, causing us to be as bad as scouts. So the best tankers got really good to survive is it any wonder that we're nearly impossible to kill? I can go 1 v 6 in a tank pub Battle and win BC I adapted to nerfs. QQing breeds the best players out of nerfs. Lolno. Vehicles wouldn't have become OP if it wasn't for people like you and Spkr4TheDead over-exaggerating ever detail possible all throught Uprising. I'm not wondering why your impossible to kill. Why? Because. I already knew why people would even before 1.7 dropped. Any Tom, *, and Harry can easily hop into a tank and go 30/0 with minimal to no effort. Heck, I gave the controller to my 8 year old daughter and she managed to go 27/1 (She died to a Redline Tank at th end). If you think that you can survive entire matches because of your "skill" then I feel bad for you. Also, the way you worded that post would imply that you actually adapted. I'd fix that up If I were you. -HAND Lukeoplast is going to need to give you a thorough washing later... "God favors the side with the best artillery"* ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout. CLOSED BETA VET

LJG XX Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 6	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:17:00 - [91] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Do you really think that you are actually doibg what everyone else is? Are you seriously impressed with the fact you hide in a tank all game? Do you have any idea how easy it is to make you guys miss? Does it even cross your mind that you arent even close to the same level as 99% of the dust community. I bet your really digging this tank exploit thing arent you? it is pathetic the way you guys impact this game vs your actuall skill. BE PROUD WARRIORS!!!!!!!!!! I run tanks to do one thing, engage in battle with other tanks. I'm sure you don't complain when one of us comes along and pops that "scrub" in a soma with a blaster suppressing you in a building so you can go about your honourable killing without a squad. I could really care less about killing infantry, I enjoy tank on tank combat. Douchebag... Do you even dust bro? I didn't think so...
The Attorney General 1775	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:17:00 - [92] - Quote Atiim wrote: Kinda hard to be part of the problem that somebody else created. Yet you blame people that obviously had nothing to do with it either. The only party that could rightly be faulted is CCP. Tankers were willing to engage with CCP while the medium frame AV'ers insisted everything was fine. Tankers knew the data would back them up, it did, and changes were made. If those people who had resisted so hard seen the winds of change and taken an active role in the discussion, the nerf would probably not been so severe. The main difference between your campaign and those that came before it was that we had no partner in dialogue, and so debate was impossible. You have many willing to enter into discussion with you, but not once have you presented any sort of detailed idea of how you think AV should be. Do you have any idea of what sort of buffs or nerfs to tanks or AV you want? Or is everything just a blob of nerf tanks and buff AV? I amuse myself with your posts, but I am keenly aware that you are not a rational actor, and clearly have no intention of providing meaningful feedback. Your posts are all emotion, no substance. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
The Attorney General 1775	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:29:00 - [93] - Quote Chaos Scum wrote: I would blame certain tankers, but also the vast horde of infantry who refused to even discuss anything about the OP av of the time. What is funny is that you complain about not wanting to spec into a forge and a fat suit to deal with tanks, but I as a vehicle driver had to spec into a dropsuit, a sniper rifle, and a whole host of supporting skills so that I could get people off of rooftops before 1.7. Did I cry about it? Nope, I just dumped 4 million SP into countering my counter. Did I want to do it? Of course not, who wants to be a scrub sniper? But the game gave me no choice, so I adapted. Now you can continue blaming everyone else, and trying to act high and mighty. Because you could never be part of the problem at all could you? you are not a tank. you are infantry. you chose not to put skills into infantry in favor of using one piece of equipment on the battle field. the tank is immune to almost every weapon. the infantry you are making your argument against are vulnerable to every weapon including your tank. everyones choices are different, AV is not for everyone, neither is tanking. If the tankers and AVers could fight this out without everyone else being dragged into it, it would be preferable. The way CCP has it set up is the person who skilled into tanks has the upper hand. this should have never have happened, it is making everyone miserable.[/quote] I spent my SP into tanks when swarms had a range of 400 metres, but were visible only from 100m and closer, if you were lucky. Oh, and they also hit for 3k armor damage a volley. And since reps took 4-5 seconds to activate, you would eat a whole mag before any reps started. FGs had the same render problem, except they did even more damage than they do now. And AV nades were much more powerful, such that they could knock out a hardened Madrugar in 5 nades versus a double hardened Maddy. On top of that tanks were slower, and had less resist. I am not arguing against infantry, I am stating a fact about the attitudes of people on the forums during the 1.0-1.6 timeframe. The manner of the debate was wholly dysfunctional. Tankers knew what they saw, and complained accordingly, people benefiting from the situation told them to HTFU. On the flip side now, and I can point to some of those same "crybaby" tankers and them making posts about buffing AV. "Crybaby" tankers are calling for AV buffs, but when AV was OP, where were people like Atiim to call for AV nerfs or tank buffs? Are their irrational tankers? Sure, and some of them are annoying as all get out. But there are also lots of tankers who want to move the game forward and get back to fun interactions between vehicles and infantry, not the rail tank snoozefest we have going on right now. Engage with those people, and provide meaningful feedback instead of useless generalizations. Also, learn to format. A solid paragraph like that is ugly, and difficult to read. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Chaos Scum Warcaste 23	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:32:00 - [94] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Atiim wrote: Kinda hard to be part of the problem that somebody else created. Yet you blame people that obviously had nothing to do with it either. The only party that could rightly be faulted is CCP. Tankers were willing to engage with CCP while the medium frame AV'ers insisted everything was fine. Tankers knew the data would back them up, it did, and changes were made. If those people who had resisted so hard seen the winds of change and taken an active role in the discussion, the nerf would probably not been so severe. The main difference between your campaign and those that came before it was that we had no partner in dialogue, and so debate was impossible. You have many willing to enter into discussion with you, but not once have you presented any sort of detailed idea of how you think AV should be. Do you have any idea of what sort of buffs or nerfs to tanks or AV you want? Or is everything just a blob of nerf tanks and buff AV? I amuse myself with your posts, but I am keenly aware that you are not a rational actor, and clearly have no intention of providing meaningful feedback. Your posts are all emotion, no substance. If they look at the data from pub matches its going to be far worse for tankers in the future. Think about what they did because some tanks got popped by swarms. Now think about how many infantry die in one match to tanks. now think about how many times this happens every day. I didn't believe CCP would let it continue this long. At this point I have no respect for them as game developers. You are just like everyone else who defends the Fotm. Understand balance will not be achieved by overlooking the data. those medium frame AVers didn't know a goddamn thing either. it was the cheapest most effective way to keep their playstyle intact. People like them and you would rather have the game favor your decisions than succeed. People like CCP facilitate this because they really don't know what to do. Don't hate me because I'm dutiful.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3577	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:35:00 - [95] - Quote In can't reply to your first post Attorney, as my laptop is going to die and I don't have enough time. So I'll just put state this. I have said multipule time that vehicles needed a buff. Benjamin Ciscko made a thread asking me about that here. This was my official stance on AV before 1.7 I'm bored.
The Attorney General 1775	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:45:00 - [96] - Quote Atiim wrote: In can't reply to your first post Attorney, as my laptop is going to die and I don't have enough time. So I'll just put state this. I have said multipule time that vehicles needed a buff. Benjamin Ciscko made a thread asking me about that here. This was my official stance on AV before 1.7 That post is useless. Your argument back then still doesn't stand up concerning tanks requiring teamwork, and saying that tanks needed a price decrease is no revelation. Once again, there is no substance in your arguments. I can make arguments for why I think things are in need of changes, I can put together numerical models of what I think would work, and yet you can never produce anything above the most simple of posts. The funny thing is that vehicles didn't need the total overhaul they got. If there had been some reasonable nerf to swarms while they fixed the rendering, this all would have been moot. Because the AV lobby refused to give any ground, this is what we got. So even though I can say give swarms 15% more damage, and 10% more range, give the FG its charge times from 1.6, and give the PLC 25% more damage, 20% faster pre-charge, and a 15% reduction to reload, you never did make such a proposition for tanks. And even though I can say that the Gunloggi needs a 15% reduction in CPU, a 20% reduction in PG, and both tanks need a 5% reduction in top speed, you would never had made the call for AV nerfs before 1.6, even though they were clearly needed. So unless you have specific, direct ideas and are willing to share them, from now on I will be doing nothing but mocking you for failing at debate and AV. Edit: And blaster turrets need a 30% nerf to range, they are stupid right now. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
zibathy numbertwo Nox Aeterna Security 332	Posted - 2014.01.17 16:10:00 - [97] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: I think I'm holding points and killing tanks, as instructed. I'm pretty impressed that I'm the guy people call on to deal with other tanks. Erm, is it? I don't seem to miss much, please try and make me miss. You're right, I'm 99% better. Exploit? If it takes such little skill, why are you not killing us? "If it takes such little skill, why are you not killing us?" Is it possible for someone to be this ***** stupid? Putting everything aside, your logic is the logic of someone with literally 2 functioning brain cells. If someone is using something overpowered, as the OP is implying, and if the overpowered thing takes no skill... How exactly does that make it easy to kill, you shitforbrains *****? Long Live Freedom; Long Live the Federation.*
Jason Pearson 3969	Posted - 2014.01.17 16:54:00 - [98] - Quote zibathy numbertwo wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: I think I'm holding points and killing tanks, as instructed. I'm pretty impressed that I'm the guy people call on to deal with other tanks. Erm, is it? I don't seem to miss much, please try and make me miss. You're right, I'm 99% better. Exploit? If it takes such little skill, why are you not killing us? "If it takes such little skill, why are you not killing us?" Is it possible for someone to be this ***** stupid? Putting everything aside, your logic is the logic of someone with literally 2 functioning brain cells. If someone is using something overpowered, as the OP is implying, and if the overpowered thing takes no skill... How exactly does that make it easy to kill, you shitforbrains ******? Much anger Very mad... w- It is not me that is stupid, friend nor is my response illogical in any way. If it takes no skill to be a tanker then it obviously requires no skill to use a tank to kill another, by that "logic" you should be calling in a rail tank and killing every tank no matter what because it takes no skill to kill a skill-less player. :) It's not overpowered, there are situations where the strength of the vehicles is amplified, such as Ambush and there are problems with hardeners and damage mods, they're not OP by themselves but you allow multiple hardeners on at once and it becomes a little silly. Squad with a real AVer or Tanker and not get done in due to the fact you're bad at adapting or just bad at the game. And if you want to get good? Here's what I've noticed. Anti Vehicle Infantry > Anti Vehicle tanks Anti Vehicle tanks > Anti Infantry tanks Anti Infantry tanks > Infantry/Anti-Infantry Infantry > Anti Vehicle Infantry Follow that and you'll have a better time, see a blaster tank? You're going to need either two forge guns or you're going to need a tank, because the blaster can aim at you, and he has hardeners, you need to break his tank and one forge won't cut it/ Hell even one Forge and one Swarmer can do devastating damage. See a railgun tank? You could most likely three shot it, most rails are shield based so the first hit is going to knock them down to low shields, two more shots and it's done as long as it doesn't get to cover and regen its shields. Same with swarms but you're going to need to fire those volleys off quickly. I've found chasing rails down with an LAV with dual hardeners is most effective (Saga) If you spot a maddy that never turns its hardener on, it's a rep tank, it's built specifically for its stand and deliver purpose (intended), it's going to sit there and eat your AV unless you're using more than one AVer, you can solo this with a militia rail and a single damage mod, simply because it cannout outrep the high Alpha damage you're dealing. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire \\ Bad Mathematician You're a total git, Jason. - kingbabar
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3577	Posted - 2014.01.17 19:36:00 - [99] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Atiim wrote: In can't reply to your first post Attorney, as my laptop is going to die and I don't have enough time. So I'll just put state this. I have said multipule time that vehicles needed a buff. Benjamin Ciscko made a thread asking me about that here. This was my official stance on AV before 1.7 That post is useless. Your argument back then still doesn't stand up concerning tanks requiring teamwork, and saying that tanks needed a price decrease is no revelation. Price decreasing wasn't the only buff I was in favor of. That was just one example. Once again, there is no substance in your arguments. I can make arguments for why I think things are in need of changes, I can put together numerical models of what I think would work, and yet you can never produce anything above the most simple of posts. I could easily put together numerical models of what I think would work as well. However, nobody seems that intrested in what I believe, and when they are intrested; someone else in the thread usually has an idea similar to mine. Thus, I keep my posts simple to avoid being repetitive. However, I'd love to discuss my ideas on how to fix the V/AV problem. Statistics included. The funny thing is that vehicles didn't need the total overhaul they got. If there had been some reasonable nerf to swarms while they fixed the rendering, this all would have been moot. Because the AV lobby refused to give any ground, this is what we got. There didn't need to be any "reasonable nerf to Swarms." (Well, apart from range; 400m is insane). There did however need to be a "reasonable buff to vehicles." Please tell me what only nerfing the Swarm Launcher would have solved. everyonee would just flock over to the Forge Gun. So even though I can say give swarms 15% more damage, and 10% more range, give the FG its charge times from 1.6, and give the PLC 25% more damage, 20% faster pre-charge, and a 15% reduction to reload, you never did make such a proposition for tanks. Really? When I first came here I made many suggestions on how to buff vehicles without nerfing AV. However, people only saw the "don't nerf AV" part and decided to go bat$#!t crazy. After a while I just decided to not even bother posting stats anymore. And even though I can say that the Gunloggi needs a 15% reduction in CPU, a 20% reduction in PG, and both tanks need a 5% reduction in top speed, you would never had made the call for AV nerfs before 1.6, even though they were clearly needed. Well, I do remember saying that 400m is way too much; but other than that I said to buff vehicles. I thought that this would be better because it both solves the AV problem, while also making Vehicle vs. Vehicle fights a bit longer and more exciting. So unless you have specific, direct ideas and are willing to share them, from now on I will be doing nothing but mocking you for failing at debate and AV. If you agree to remain constructive, then I'd be happy to. Edit: And blaster turrets need a 30% nerf to range, they are stupid right now. They do need a range nerf, but I can't really comment on weather or not 30% is a good idea, for I don't remember the effective and optimal ranges of Large Blaster Turrets. Here is my idea on how to buff AV: Swarm Launcher wrote: Increase damage to 275HP per missile. Increase range to 215m. Forge Gun wrote: Decrease charge times to where were in Uprising 1.6. Add an additional 4 rounds into Max. Ammo Capacity Plasma Cannon wrote: 3% Decrease To Reload Speed (Don't increase it too much, for there needs to be emphasis on the Rapid Reload skill). Increase Direct Damage. (1320HP at STD 1650HP at ADV, and 1980HP at PRO) I'm bored.
Our Deepest Regret L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 488	Posted - 2014.01.17 20:02:00 - [100] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: I want to fight guys with something to prove. I want to fight against guys who arent scared of nuetral territory. I want to fight men who DONT NEED THE UPPER HAND TO WIN. Ill find my place in line there no problem. Just tired of tank scrubs ruining games. I'm sorry man, but your argument gets thrown out of the window the second you respawn after getting shot to death. Coming back from the dead is pretty much THE UPPER HAND in any deadly engagement. Why are you getting so worked up over a video game? Militia tank nerf forthcoming (thank God!). I'm sure you'll be notching a bunch of tank kills soon enough.

The Attorney General 1775	Posted - 2014.01.17 20:05:00 - [101] - Quote Atiim wrote: Atiim wrote: This was my official stance on AV before 1.7 Price decreasing wasn't the only buff I was in favor of. That was just one example. Even if, that was a response to you saying that I and others on the AV side didn't call for a vehicle buff, when that is not the case at all. I was saying that there were no AV'ers out there calling for AV nerfs. There were even some Forge Gun users who were trying to argue that thing wasn't OP versus infantry when it clearly was. Calling for a vehicle buff, one that was arguably not needed, especially in the face of the range and RoF issues, is not the same as calling for a needed nerf. Atiim wrote: Really? When I first came here I made many suggestions on how to buff vehicles without nerfing AV. However, people only saw the "don't nerf AV" part and decided to go bat$#!t crazy. After a while I just decided to not even bother posting stats anymore. Well, I do remember saying that 400m is way too much; but other than that I said to buff vehicles. I thought that this would be better because it both solves the AV problem, while also making Vehicle vs. Vehicle fights a bit longer and more exciting. [/i] If you thought that AV nades and swarms were fine, which you sort of did, then it does take away a lot of the resulting post because it flies in the face of what tank drivers saw every day. It runs counter to my own experiences on the ground, and I would gather that the data CCP looked at backed that up. Again, the Gunnloggi needed a buff. The Madrugar was a serviceable vehicle I think. All of that was masked by the rendering problems. It was impossible to balance while those problems remained. No one can say what would have happened if we had gotten 1.7 without the tank changes but with the rendering changes. Ultimately though, those types of tanks could not expand, so we got the new system. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 920	Posted - 2014.01.17 20:07:00 - [102] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Do you really think that you are actually doibg what everyone else is? Are you seriously impressed with the fact you hide in a tank all game? Do you have any idea how easy it is to make you guys miss? Does it even cross your mind that you arent even close to the same level as 99% of the dust community. I bet your really digging this tank exploit thing arent you? it is pathetic the way you guys impact this game vs your actuall skill. BE PROUD WARRIORS!!!!!!!!!! When you see THE KING ALLDIN inside a tank, you are playing against the final boss. Uprising 1.7 - TANKDOMINATION!!1!!1! LOL Commando LOL Plasma Cannon
The Attorney General 1775	Posted - 2014.01.17 20:21:00 - [103] - Quote Atiim wrote: There didn't need to be any "reasonable nerf to Swarms." (Well, apart from range; 400m is insane). There did however need to be a "reasonable buff to vehicles." Please tell me what only nerfing the Swarm Launcher would have solved. everyonee would just flock over to the Forge Gun. I didn't say just swarms launchers, but swarms and AV nades. If medium or light frames want to do significant amounts of damage I believe that should be left to some form of direct fire weapon. If AV nades didn't track, they could do the same damage as fluxes. Once this touches on a fundamental difference in how we think AV should run. Heavies are best suited as a role to AV, and should be the primary suit choice of AV players. More forges mean more kills for medium frames being pushed forward to encounter them. It encourages more of a varied gameplay because an anti vehicle suit will be dependent on a logi for ammo and close range infantry protection, while being a serious threat to all vehicles. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Xender17 Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 979	Posted - 2014.01.17 20:38:00 - [104] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Do you really think that you are actually doibg what everyone else is? Are you seriously impressed with the fact you hide in a tank all game? Do you have any idea how easy it is to make you guys miss? Does it even cross your mind that you arent even close to the same level as 99% of the dust community. I bet your really digging this tank exploit thing arent you? it is pathetic the way you guys impact this game vs your actuall skill. BE PROUD WARRIORS!!!!!!!!!! 2.Yes, I got tired of hiding in 20,000 isk suit fittings so I switched to 400,000 isk fittings. 3. I don't know what you mean (not sarcasm.) 4.I always think about how im better than 99% better than the rest of the community. 5. Didn't infantry dig the AR, Flaylock, MD, AFG, SL exploit too? Infantry has had the FOTM for at least 80% of the time dust has been active. In reply to your last sentence. You have no idea how skilled any tanker that's been around before 1.7 is. They became skilled of the extreme risk they had to deal with. You could argue that the risk is less now. However those that existed before 1.7 still have their skills. They know when to get out, how to judge their enemy and know where they were needed. Those still exist and they dealt with crap like losing 5+ games of isk rewards in one death from 1 player. Prt SL, SCR, SR . ADV FGs, MDs, LaZor, KNs. Gunnlogi, Falchion, Python, Caldari LDS. (+require) Prt L. Am, Adv HVY, LGS
Jason Pearson 3972	Posted - 2014.01.17 21:28:00 - [105] - Quote dw, that "KING ALLDIN" boss is ez and drops pretty **** loot tbh. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire \\ Bad Mathematician You're a total git, Jason. - kingbabar
Militar Szintizt duna corp 0	Posted - 2014.01.17 21:43:00 - [106] - Quote Mr. HYENAKILLER X, Tanks and vehicles have been in the game from the very start. I myself enjoy the tanks and do not consider myself a very good player. I also do not take particular "pride" in my game playing and I am guilty of pretty much all the things you hate about players in this game. However, I am extremely happy about the fact that I, and players like me, can get on the nerves of little boys like you who decided to put "pride" (of all things) into a video game (and game begin the operative word here). From now on I will drive tanks even more than I am used to and sincerely hope I will have many many battles squared against you. Are you a better player than me, since you take so much "pride" (word starting to sound funny in this context) in your gaming, you probably are. Will you get more kills then me if we square off, likely (and again the "pride" thing). I truly feel sorry for you if you can't get the enjoyment you want out of this game because of your "pride" and other players that are playing well within the defined spectrum of the game and are simply trying to have fun. I guess by your definition I should not be having fun but be playing seriously and with "pride". Good lord, grow up man...
Rusty Shallows 819	Posted - 2014.01.17 21:49:00 - [107] - Quote Amarrgheddon wrote: Question to OP. If they don't care that they ruined Dust 514, what makes you think they care about your opinion? This. Although it's not fair to blame all HAV TCs or all HAV TCs on the forums. Those responsible were a small subset of the vehicle dedicated community who had no problem taken whatever action they deemed necessary to get a blatantly unfair advantage. That's politics. MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3583	Posted - 2014.01.17 21:53:00 - [108] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: Lukeoplast is going to need to give you a thorough washing later... Don't know him. But seriously. WTF is a Lukeoplast anyway? When I searched it on Google, it showed nothing credible and a link to one of my posts on the forums. I'm bored.
Rusty Shallows 822	Posted - 2014.01.18 01:48:00 - [109] - Quote Atiim wrote: knight of 6 wrote: Lukeoplast is going to need to give you a thorough washing later... Don't know him. But seriously. WTF is a Lukeoplast anyway? When I searched it on Google, it showed nothing credible and a link to one of my posts on the forums. He disagreed with them and therefor was a bad person for it. Since he isn't around to defend himself character assassination is pretty easy. MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3593	Posted - 2014.01.18 02:44:00 - [110] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: He disagreed with them and therefor was a bad person for it. Since he isn't around to defend himself character assassination is pretty easy. Well that explains a lot. Though if everyone here is trying their hardest to make me look bad by exaggerating details and putting words in my mouth, then I can't imagine what these nuts did to Lukeoplast. It's like a coming of age. I'm bored.

The Attorney General 1776	Posted - 2014.01.18 02:51:00 - [111] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Amarrgheddon wrote: Question to OP. If they don't care that they ruined Dust 514, what makes you think they care about your opinion? This. Although it's not fair to blame all HAV TCs or all HAV TCs on the forums. Those responsible were a small subset of the vehicle dedicated community who had no problem taken whatever action they deemed necessary to get a blatantly unfair advantage. That's politics. Keep blaming the players for CCP and their design decisions. Makes you seem like someone that others should really try to reason with. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
SGT NOVA STAR Ahrendee Mercenaries 200	Posted - 2014.01.18 03:28:00 - [112] - Quote 8+ kdr since build 1, always top 20 on weekly kdr, I got nothing to prove or be proud of, I just happen to be good at what other people TRY to do. Keep using militia tanks, the true tankers always win. The fact your making this thread proves iv done my job, that'll be 20 mill isk for my services. VAYU! I CHOOSE YOU!
Leadfoot10 molon labe. Public Disorder. 246	Posted - 2014.01.18 03:56:00 - [113] - Quote Most of the good tankers I know are just as good with a weapon in their hands. Just some food for thought.
Rusty Shallows 824	Posted - 2014.01.18 04:22:00 - [114] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: Amarrgheddon wrote: Question to OP. If they don't care that they ruined Dust 514, what makes you think they care about your opinion? This. Although it's not fair to blame all HAV TCs or all HAV TCs on the forums. Those responsible were a small subset of the vehicle dedicated community who had no problem taken whatever action they deemed necessary to get a blatantly unfair advantage. That's politics. Keep blaming the players for CCP and their design decisions. Makes you seem like someone that others should really try to reason with. I haven't blamed the players. I blamed CCP for caving in to the demands of a small group inside another subset of players. The better part of 2013 was spent trying to approach issues in a rational way only to get shouted out by the endless nerf politics. What else can a guy do? MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP
Alpha 443-6732 302	Posted - 2014.01.18 06:33:00 - [115] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: I spent my SP into tanks when swarms had a range of 400 metres, but were visible only from 100m and closer, if you were lucky. Oh, and they also hit for 3k armor damage a volley. And since reps took 4-5 seconds to activate, you would eat a whole mag before any reps started. FGs had the same render problem, except they did even more damage than they do now. And AV nades were much more powerful, such that they could knock out a hardened Madrugar in 5 nades versus a double hardened Maddy. On top of that tanks were slower, and had less resist. I am not arguing against infantry, I am stating a fact about the attitudes of people on the forums during the 1.0-1.6 timeframe. The manner of the debate was wholly dysfunctional. Tankers knew what they saw, and complained accordingly, people benefiting from the situation told them to HTFU. On the flip side now, and I can point to some of those same "crybaby" tankers and them making posts about buffing AV. "Crybaby" tankers are calling for AV buffs, but when AV was OP, where were people like Atiim to call for AV nerfs or tank buffs? Are their irrational tankers? Sure, and some of them are annoying as all get out. But there are also lots of tankers who want to move the game forward and get back to fun interactions between vehicles and infantry, not the rail tank snoozefest we have going on right now. Engage with those people, and provide meaningful feedback instead of useless generalizations. Also, learn to format. A solid paragraph like that is ugly, and difficult to read. You are doing God's work, AG. Because racism is realism
Twenty Hours Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2014.01.18 06:43:00 - [116] - Quote guys let me share my opinion ( i didnt saw last replies page 2 and 3 ) i think this can be fixed with making a real matchmaking, with protos vs protos and rookies vs rookies, and give other ways to kill tanks. very simple, make sense, very easy


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