Do you really think that you are actually doibg what everyone else is?

Are you seriously impressed with the fact you hide in a tank all game?

Do you have any idea how easy it is to make you guys miss?

Does it even cross your mind that you arent even close to the same level as 99% of the dust community.

I bet your really digging this tank exploit thing arent you?

it is pathetic the way you guys impact this game vs your actuall skill.

BE PROUD WARRIORS!!!!!!!!!!

Kinda hard to be part of the problem that somebody else created.

I would blame certain tankers, but also the vast horde of infantry who refused to even discuss anything about the OP av of the time.

What is funny is that you complain about not wanting to spec into a forge and a fat suit to deal with tanks, but I as a vehicle driver had to spec into a dropsuit, a sniper rifle, and a whole host of supporting skills so that I could get people off of rooftops before 1.7.

Did I cry about it? Nope, I just dumped 4 million SP into countering my counter. Did I want to do it? Of course not, who wants to be a scrub sniper? But the game gave me no choice, so I adapted.

Now you can continue blaming everyone else, and trying to act high and mighty. Because you could never be part of the problem at all could you?

Yet you blame people that obviously had nothing to do with it either. The only party that could rightly be faulted is CCP.

Tankers were willing to engage with CCP while the medium frame AV'ers insisted everything was fine. Tankers knew the data would back them up, it did, and changes were made.

If those people who had resisted so hard seen the winds of change and taken an active role in the discussion, the nerf would probably not been so severe.

The main difference between your campaign and those that came before it was that we had no partner in dialogue, and so debate was impossible. You have many willing to enter into discussion with you, but not once have you presented any sort of detailed idea of how you think AV should be.

Do you have any idea of what sort of buffs or nerfs to tanks or AV you want? Or is everything just a blob of nerf tanks and buff AV?

I amuse myself with your posts, but I am keenly aware that you are not a rational actor, and clearly have no intention of providing meaningful feedback.

Your posts are all emotion, no substance.

In can't reply to your first post Attorney, as my laptop is going to die and I don't have enough time. So I'll just put state this.

I have said multipule time that vehicles needed a buff. Benjamin Ciscko made a thread asking me about that here.

This was my official stance on AV before 1.7

I think I'm holding points and killing tanks, as instructed.

I'm pretty impressed that I'm the guy people call on to deal with other tanks.

Erm, is it? I don't seem to miss much, please try and make me miss.

You're right, I'm 99% better.

Exploit?

If it takes such little skill, why are you not killing us?

"If it takes such little skill, why are you not killing us?"

Is it possible for someone to be this ******* stupid? Putting everything aside, your logic is the logic of someone with literally 2 functioning brain cells. If someone is using something overpowered, as the OP is implying, and if the overpowered thing takes no skill... How exactly does that make it easy to kill, you shitforbrains ********?

That post is useless.

Your argument back then still doesn't stand up concerning tanks requiring teamwork, and saying that tanks needed a price decrease is no revelation.

Price decreasing wasn't the only buff I was in favor of. That was just one example.

Once again, there is no substance in your arguments. I can make arguments for why I think things are in need of changes, I can put together numerical models of what I think would work, and yet you can never produce anything above the most simple of posts.

I could easily put together numerical models of what I think would work as well. However, nobody seems that intrested in what I believe, and when they are intrested; someone else in the thread usually has an idea similar to mine. Thus, I keep my posts simple to avoid being repetitive. However, I'd love to discuss my ideas on how to fix the V/AV problem. Statistics included.

The funny thing is that vehicles didn't need the total overhaul they got. If there had been some reasonable nerf to swarms while they fixed the rendering, this all would have been moot. Because the AV lobby refused to give any ground, this is what we got.

There didn't need to be any "reasonable nerf to Swarms." (Well, apart from range; 400m is insane). There did however need to be a "reasonable buff to vehicles." Please tell me what only nerfing the Swarm Launcher would have solved. everyonee would just flock over to the Forge Gun.

So even though I can say give swarms 15% more damage, and 10% more range, give the FG its charge times from 1.6, and give the PLC 25% more damage, 20% faster pre-charge, and a 15% reduction to reload, you never did make such a proposition for tanks.

Really? When I first came here I made many suggestions on how to buff vehicles without nerfing AV. However, people only saw the "don't nerf AV" part and decided to go bat$#!t crazy. After a while I just decided to not even bother posting stats anymore.

And even though I can say that the Gunloggi needs a 15% reduction in CPU, a 20% reduction in PG, and both tanks need a 5% reduction in top speed, you would never had made the call for AV nerfs before 1.6, even though they were clearly needed.

Well, I do remember saying that 400m is way too much; but other than that I said to buff vehicles. I thought that this would be better because it both solves the AV problem, while also making Vehicle vs. Vehicle fights a bit longer and more exciting.

So unless you have specific, direct ideas and are willing to share them, from now on I will be doing nothing but mocking you for failing at debate and AV.

If you agree to remain constructive, then I'd be happy to.

Edit: And blaster turrets need a 30% nerf to range, they are stupid right now.

They do need a range nerf, but I can't really comment on weather or not 30% is a good idea, for I don't remember the effective and optimal ranges of Large Blaster Turrets.

Increase damage to 275HP per missile.

Increase range to 215m.

Decrease charge times to where were in Uprising 1.6.

Add an additional 4 rounds into Max. Ammo Capacity

3% Decrease To Reload Speed (Don't increase it too much, for there needs to be emphasis on the Rapid Reload skill).

Increase Direct Damage. (1320HP at STD 1650HP at ADV, and 1980HP at PRO)

I want to fight guys with something to prove. I want to fight against guys who arent scared of nuetral territory. I want to fight men who DONT NEED THE UPPER HAND TO WIN. Ill find my place in line there no problem. Just tired of tank scrubs ruining games.

Price decreasing wasn't the only buff I was in favor of. That was just one example.

Even if, that was a response to you saying that I and others on the AV side didn't call for a vehicle buff, when that is not the case at all.

Really? When I first came here I made many suggestions on how to buff vehicles without nerfing AV. However, people only saw the "don't nerf AV" part and decided to go bat$#!t crazy. After a while I just decided to not even bother posting stats anymore.

Well, I do remember saying that 400m is way too much; but other than that I said to buff vehicles. I thought that this would be better because it both solves the AV problem, while also making Vehicle vs. Vehicle fights a bit longer and more exciting. [/i]

Do you really think that you are actually doibg what everyone else is?

Are you seriously impressed with the fact you hide in a tank all game?

Do you have any idea how easy it is to make you guys miss?

Does it even cross your mind that you arent even close to the same level as 99% of the dust community.

I bet your really digging this tank exploit thing arent you?

it is pathetic the way you guys impact this game vs your actuall skill.

BE PROUD WARRIORS!!!!!!!!!!

There didn't need to be any "reasonable nerf to Swarms." (Well, apart from range; 400m is insane). There did however need to be a "reasonable buff to vehicles." Please tell me what only nerfing the Swarm Launcher would have solved. everyonee would just flock over to the Forge Gun.

Do you really think that you are actually doibg what everyone else is?

Are you seriously impressed with the fact you hide in a tank all game?

Do you have any idea how easy it is to make you guys miss?

Does it even cross your mind that you arent even close to the same level as 99% of the dust community.

I bet your really digging this tank exploit thing arent you?

it is pathetic the way you guys impact this game vs your actuall skill.

BE PROUD WARRIORS!!!!!!!!!!

Question to OP. If they don't care that they ruined Dust 514, what makes you think they care about your opinion?

Lukeoplast is going to need to give you a thorough washing later...

Don't know him.

But seriously. WTF is a Lukeoplast anyway?

When I searched it on Google, it showed nothing credible and a link to one of my posts on the forums.

He disagreed with them and therefor was a bad person for it. Since he isn't around to defend himself character assassination is pretty easy.

This.

Although it's not fair to blame all HAV TCs or all HAV TCs on the forums. Those responsible were a small subset of the vehicle dedicated community who had no problem taken whatever action they deemed necessary to get a blatantly unfair advantage. That's politics.

Keep blaming the players for CCP and their design decisions.

Makes you seem like someone that others should really try to reason with.

I spent my SP into tanks when swarms had a range of 400 metres, but were visible only from 100m and closer, if you were lucky. Oh, and they also hit for 3k armor damage a volley. And since reps took 4-5 seconds to activate, you would eat a whole mag before any reps started.

FGs had the same render problem, except they did even more damage than they do now.

And AV nades were much more powerful, such that they could knock out a hardened Madrugar in 5 nades versus a double hardened Maddy.

On top of that tanks were slower, and had less resist.

I am not arguing against infantry, I am stating a fact about the attitudes of people on the forums during the 1.0-1.6 timeframe. The manner of the debate was wholly dysfunctional. Tankers knew what they saw, and complained accordingly, people benefiting from the situation told them to HTFU.

On the flip side now, and I can point to some of those same "crybaby" tankers and them making posts about buffing AV.

"Crybaby" tankers are calling for AV buffs, but when AV was OP, where were people like Atiim to call for AV nerfs or tank buffs?

Are their irrational tankers? Sure, and some of them are annoying as all get out. But there are also lots of tankers who want to move the game forward and get back to fun interactions between vehicles and infantry, not the rail tank snoozefest we have going on right now. Engage with those people, and provide meaningful feedback instead of useless generalizations.

Also, learn to format. A solid paragraph like that is ugly, and difficult to read.