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Aero Yassavi wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

Maikyl Metsar wrote:

"Those are both excellent observations. Indeed under the Almighty we are all united in purpose as a family. And sacrifice is sometimes necessary to protect those we cherish. In this spirit of selfless sacrifice do we display the true nature of our humanity. I have always found it interesting in this verse that Garum is armed with a sword while Zakara is unarmed. We know so little about these two brothers that I sometimes ponder on the meaning of this. Was Zakara markedly younger than Garum? Or had he lost his weapon early in the conflict? Perhaps he was not even a warrior by trade. "

"Indeed. So then as you say it is perhaps a celebration of the sacrifice shown here by Zakara, that he would sacrifice God's ultimate gift that his brother might live.... could this not then apply to us immortals as well?"

He considers this statement carefully. Kador had always felt rather conflicted about being, for the most part, immortal.

"If Zakara would give the ultimate sacrifice of his life, and everything that he is, as a mortal, is it not fitting that we apply that same tenets to our own existence? That without sacrifice, something we should celebrate rather than mourn, no true victory will be attained. "

"When we took up the implant we didn't sacrifice just one life, but many lives so that our people may lives. For the remainder of the physical world we have damned ourselves to the vicious cycle. It is a sacrifice far greater than that of Zakara, but one that no one in the days of St. Junip could of possibly foretold."

"My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."

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Maikyl Metsar Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 79	Posted - 2014.01.16 02:14:00 - [1] - Quote Amidst the halls and chambers of the Amarran Cathedral of The Stayed Sword at the IGS, one chamber is reserved for use by the adherents of the Atash Amarr fire temple. It is a round room, with elegantly carved stonework along its walls. These carvings are then inlaid with gold to reflect back the room's only source of light. For in the center, low to the ground, is a bowl-like altar bearing a flame. It's light dances along the walls, illuminating the craftsmanship with fiery hues. Sitting crosslegged before the fire, on one of many pillows scattered about the chamber, is Palatinus Metsar wearing tan robes traced in gold and silver embroidery. Beside him is a floor table with scattered parchments of copied manuscripts. He beckons you to sit anywhere. This area is for the telling and discussion of Amarran scripture. Every Wednesday I will offer up a new excerpt from the scriptures which will be the subject of discussion, debate, and elaboration throughout the week. I ask each of you to treat this with respect. "Welcome, for our first session I have decided to read from the teachings of Saint Junip, and in particular a verse from a story related to us about two brothers; Zakara and Garum. clears throat verse 10:25 reads... "Zakara saw the danger to his brother, and did not hesitate; without weapon or armor, he hurled himself at the beast, attacking with his bare hands. Enraged, the beast turned and struck Zakara, opening a terrible wound in his side. Seizing the moment, Garum ran his sword through the beast's heart, thus ending the battle victorious. But Zakara, mortally wounded, cried out in pain. You sacrificed yourself for me,' Garum said, taking his hand. "We are brothers,' Zakara answered, just before breathing his last. 'And in God we shall remain brothers for all of time." Now I feel that there are some interesting points to this situation that I'll reveal as our discussion progresses. For now, could anyone tell me their thoughts on the significance of this passage?"
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5158	Posted - 2014.01.16 03:04:00 - [2] - Quote Before I proceed, I would like to give an except from Empress Jamyl, "The Empire does not hate these people [the cloned immortals] because they have found themselves turned from God's light. We have never hated those who have fallen. Instead, we embrace those who have tumbled to the darkest depths and lift them up. It is a long process, but one the Empire is willing to undertake to save these poor souls from those who would so callously discard them." - Empress Jamyl Please, fellow immortals, treat this study and discourse with respect. Now onto my perspective of this except from the scripture. This story speaks of the of the sacred bond and obligation held between those of God, for we are all God's children thus we are all brothers and sisters under the lord. Here the ultimate sacrifice is portrayed, teaching us that there is no sacrifice too grand to help one another. We must free humanity from the beasts of darkness and false word, even if unprepared. For God is our sword, God is our shield. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5781	Posted - 2014.01.16 08:42:00 - [3] - Quote Kador sits and listens in an almost enraptured silence as he listens to the words spoken by Palantius Metsar. The words reverberate around the golden chamber and meet his ears. They evoke in him a deep reservoir of emotion and the profound sense of duty that compelled him. He shifts in a lacquered The word of St Junip had always held a strong spiritual meaning for him, an almost tangible connection to the words of God which gave his life purpose. He listens patiently as Aero speaks his interpretations of the passage mulling over his own thoughts in the mean time. When the Templar finished speaking Kador motions to the Palatinus that he wishes to speak. "If I may Palatinus I would like to add my own thoughts to those of Templar Yassavi." He offers tentatively. He takes a deep breath to organise his thoughts, and begins to speak. " In my mind it speaks of our humanity. While we are possessed of a divine inspiration, of divine purpose and of a spiritual calling few others can come to truly understand I feel this passage most of all speak of our quintessential humanity. Much of what we are is shaped by that destiny, the sacred charge given to us by God, and many forget what we strive to protect and uphold. The dignity and unity of Mankind and all Creation beneath the heavens. Thus I feel this passage conveys that which we should not forget in ourselves and lose. That human dignity that Zakara showed in his sacrifice." Kador pauses a moment to catch his breath. " The passage speaks of courage. It requires a man to have great courage to face his foe, and more so to have courage to face a foe unarmed. In this sense the courage of Zakara, a mortal man, stands as a testament to the will and dignity of man, of the Amarr, and of the significance of action for a noble cause, the protection of a brother. I feel what Templar Yassavi said is correct. We are all God's children and through him we are connected to one another. But it also speaks of the bonds of fellowship we share. Strong as they are, that cannot be broken even in death as Zakara illustrates in his dying words. We are brothers, and in God we shall remain brothers for all time. I would liken this to the nature and foundation of our Faith. Its is something that reflects its very nature. As long as one, in this case Garum, holds true to the this fellowship, and as long as we hold true to its teachings, never forgetting the sacrifice of Zakara, the bond, and our Faith shall forever endure." With that he ends the address,His voice is thick, barely able to conceal the weight of the emotion it carries. He nods respectfully to Palatinus Metsar, and Templar Yassavi, and resumes his respectful position in his chair. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5170	Posted - 2014.01.16 09:14:00 - [4] - Quote Templar Yassavi continues after hearing Kador speak, For we are never truly unarmed with God at our side. And in that, the courage also signifies our faith. And in faith, we endure forever. Not just as an individual, but as a united family under God! ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Maikyl Metsar Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 81	Posted - 2014.01.16 18:17:00 - [5] - Quote "Those are both excellent observations. Indeed under the Almighty we are all united in purpose as a family. And sacrifice is sometimes necessary to protect those we cherish. In this spirit of selfless sacrifice do we display the true nature of our humanity. I have always found it interesting in this verse that Garum is armed with a sword while Zakara is unarmed. We know so little about these two brothers that I sometimes ponder on the meaning of this. Was Zakara markedly younger than Garum? Or had he lost his weapon early in the conflict? Perhaps he was not even a warrior by trade. "
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5793	Posted - 2014.01.16 21:07:00 - [6] - Quote Maikyl Metsar wrote: "Those are both excellent observations. Indeed under the Almighty we are all united in purpose as a family. And sacrifice is sometimes necessary to protect those we cherish. In this spirit of selfless sacrifice do we display the true nature of our humanity. I have always found it interesting in this verse that Garum is armed with a sword while Zakara is unarmed. We know so little about these two brothers that I sometimes ponder on the meaning of this. Was Zakara markedly younger than Garum? Or had he lost his weapon early in the conflict? Perhaps he was not even a warrior by trade. " "Indeed. So then as you say it is perhaps a celebration of the sacrifice shown here by Zakara, that he would sacrifice God's ultimate gift that his brother might live.... could this not then apply to us immortals as well?" He considers this statement carefully. Kador had always felt rather conflicted about being, for the most part, immortal. "If Zakara would give the ultimate sacrifice of his life, and everything that he is, as a mortal, is it not fitting that we apply that same tenets to our own existence? That without sacrifice, something we should celebrate rather than mourn, no true victory will be attained. " "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5197	Posted - 2014.01.17 01:25:00 - [7] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Maikyl Metsar wrote: "Those are both excellent observations. Indeed under the Almighty we are all united in purpose as a family. And sacrifice is sometimes necessary to protect those we cherish. In this spirit of selfless sacrifice do we display the true nature of our humanity. I have always found it interesting in this verse that Garum is armed with a sword while Zakara is unarmed. We know so little about these two brothers that I sometimes ponder on the meaning of this. Was Zakara markedly younger than Garum? Or had he lost his weapon early in the conflict? Perhaps he was not even a warrior by trade. " "Indeed. So then as you say it is perhaps a celebration of the sacrifice shown here by Zakara, that he would sacrifice God's ultimate gift that his brother might live.... could this not then apply to us immortals as well?" He considers this statement carefully. Kador had always felt rather conflicted about being, for the most part, immortal. "If Zakara would give the ultimate sacrifice of his life, and everything that he is, as a mortal, is it not fitting that we apply that same tenets to our own existence? That without sacrifice, something we should celebrate rather than mourn, no true victory will be attained. " "When we took up the implant we didn't sacrifice just one life, but many lives so that our people may lives. For the remainder of the physical world we have damned ourselves to the vicious cycle. It is a sacrifice far greater than that of Zakara, but one that no one in the days of St. Junip could of possibly foretold." ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5812	Posted - 2014.01.17 01:32:00 - [8] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: True Adamance wrote: Maikyl Metsar wrote: "Those are both excellent observations. Indeed under the Almighty we are all united in purpose as a family. And sacrifice is sometimes necessary to protect those we cherish. In this spirit of selfless sacrifice do we display the true nature of our humanity. I have always found it interesting in this verse that Garum is armed with a sword while Zakara is unarmed. We know so little about these two brothers that I sometimes ponder on the meaning of this. Was Zakara markedly younger than Garum? Or had he lost his weapon early in the conflict? Perhaps he was not even a warrior by trade. " "Indeed. So then as you say it is perhaps a celebration of the sacrifice shown here by Zakara, that he would sacrifice God's ultimate gift that his brother might live.... could this not then apply to us immortals as well?" He considers this statement carefully. Kador had always felt rather conflicted about being, for the most part, immortal. "If Zakara would give the ultimate sacrifice of his life, and everything that he is, as a mortal, is it not fitting that we apply that same tenets to our own existence? That without sacrifice, something we should celebrate rather than mourn, no true victory will be attained. " "When we took up the implant we didn't sacrifice just one life, but many lives so that our people may lives. For the remainder of the physical world we have damned ourselves to the vicious cycle. It is a sacrifice far greater than that of Zakara, but one that no one in the days of St. Junip could of possibly foretold." "I don't just mean out lives though.....I mean our Souls.....Did we damn ourselves? Alter God's design? If so our sacrifice is not just one of the flesh but one of the spirit..... that sacrifice would be enough to buy us victory as long as we held to our Faith, or so I want to believe." "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Maikyl Metsar Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 81	Posted - 2014.01.17 03:26:00 - [9] - Quote "It is true that by our nature we cannot truly make death a sacrifice. Unless you view your initial translation into an immortal as your death, then it is that you have sacrificed. But we can instead give unto our God an eternal servant in this world. Someone who is neither truly living or dead, for both are states that we are in constant transition. We are no longer men as Zakara was... Nor are we angelic beings like the sefrim of old. We are something new, in my opinion caught between those two states. Perhaps the Almighty has something in store for us a thousand millennia from now, some new existence. But for now I awaken in each new body, feel it breathe for the first time, and look through fresh eyes... Devoting that body's life--no matter how brief--to Him."
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5825	Posted - 2014.01.17 03:34:00 - [10] - Quote Maikyl Metsar wrote: But for now I awaken in each new body, feel it breathe for the first time, and look through fresh eyes... Devoting that body's life--no matter how brief--to Him." "....I u......" Kador tried to speak but the meaning of the words the Palatinus spoke overcomes him.... "I never considered it that way before.....Its not like damning the soul by becoming outside of God's design...it is like reaffirming my oaths, my faith, and my very self before God. Purpose in each new breath, beginning a life of service to my people, my Empress, and my God." "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."

Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5273	Posted - 2014.01.17 12:59:00 - [11] - Quote Templar Yassavi looks at Kador, feeling he has explained this many times before "There is no sacrifice of the soul. While our soul moves like a nomad from body to body, that does not make us immortal in this physical world, for the physical world itself is not immortal. The outsiders call us immortals, but they that does not mean that we are. When the physical world ends, so will our constant rebirth in new clone bodies. And at that point, our soul will be judged before God and, if he finds us in his favor, welcomed into his presence forever. So, again, our souls were never sacrificed as they are still subject to the same conditions as everyone else's soul." ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
steadyhand amarr Bragian Order Amarr Empire 2162	Posted - 2014.01.17 14:57:00 - [12] - Quote Steady who has been sitting quity in the background chimes in nervously. " if anything we shall be judged more harsh due to our unnatural long life spans, thus we must be more disciplined then a common mortal for if we fall we could fall for lifetimes" Steady quickly shuts up clearly uncomfortable at such a gathering "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Maikyl Metsar Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 81	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:37:00 - [13] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Steady who has been sitting quity in the background chimes in nervously. " if anything we shall be judged more harsh due to our unnatural long life spans, thus we must be more disciplined then a common mortal for if we fall we could fall for lifetimes" Steady quickly shuts up clearly uncomfortable at such a gathering The Palatinus looks over at Steady. "That is a very valid point. By the nature of our extended existences, should we fall from God's light we could end up wallowing amidst heresy and heathenism for untold generations. Who is more wicked? He who lived a life of sin, or he who live ten thousand such?"
sir ravenwing BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 29	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:40:00 - [14] - Quote Raven steps out from behind a corner and sits looking unconforable being only 1/4 amarr "Sorry for the interupion sir" raven says nervously I do not fear my enemies, I fear the damn blueberries
Maikyl Metsar Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 84	Posted - 2014.01.18 06:05:00 - [15] - Quote sir ravenwing wrote: Raven steps out from behind a corner and sits looking unconforable being only 1/4 amarr "Sorry for the interupion sir" raven says nervously "Worry not, all are welcome to approach this flame." Speaks Metsar, gesturing to the fire filled basin near him in the room's center "And while in its light, all may speak and hear God's truth. Tell me, do you have any thoughts on something we've discussed? Or perhaps a word or query on the verse of scripture."
sir ravenwing BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 29	Posted - 2014.01.19 00:29:00 - [16] - Quote "Some stuff aero said, do you know if he is right and does being Gallente have a effect on my soul? I do not fear my enemies, I fear the damn blueberries
Maikyl Metsar Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 84	Posted - 2014.01.20 04:31:00 - [17] - Quote "All souls are precious to God's dominion. Being Gallentean affects not your soul, but your place in society. His is an order of hierarchy, with each serving one higher. It is through this sacred mandate that we have found stability throughout thousands of years. And God judges our place in society by our piety, and the length of service a people give to the glory of His empire. It is thus that the Amarr are the chosen of God, for long has the faith burned within our people's hearts. And thus it is we who administer over the other races of men, to guide them through the path our kin have long traveled. But if you look unto the Almighty with faith and a humble spirit, His light shall be upon regardless of the blood flowing in your veins."
TheLord HighMarshal Hellbrecht THE HECATONCHIRES 2	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:30:00 - [18] - Quote Dressed in a ceremonial highly polished black vko heavy frame with a red cloak clasped to the shoulders. The lord marshal leaves his attendants at the door of the chamber and speaks while striding down the steps of the atrium A Templar "sacrifices" his mortal life at the time of transformation into what you are now. Simply so that he or she may do Gods work for a more prolonged life span. As with every man, it is what he does with his life, that he is judged by. So whose sacrifice is greater? Answer... both of equal value, the mortal and us.One day we too will die.A man always posses the power to end his own life. He looks at his hands and clenches his gloved fist One need only tell the technicians not to "reanimate". he looks at Metzar and gives a nod of salutation instead of greeting as to not interrupt the flow of the conversation and then turns and stares into the fire If it is to be an eternity of war and strife in the service of God ,The Emperor,The empire, and of the Amarr people......he looks into the eyes of each man in the room before continuing matter of factually then I do so willingly..... a young looking female in a cloak is seen walking up to the Marshal and waits hands clasped five feet from him.They make eye contact .They say nothing to each other. a short pauses a neural transmission must have transpired between them.She parts away and the marshal turns back and give a slight grin It was good to have seen you all again. and at that he turns and strides from the temple Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute Unbent, Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalis
Maikyl Metsar Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 84	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:15:00 - [19] - Quote The Palatinus sifts through the parchments on his desk and pulls out a specific sheet, quickly skimming over its contents. With a nod of approval he addresses those present. "It is now the second week of our meetings, and for this session's topic I'd like to read from the Book of Trials, verses 2:13 to 2:21. I find this selection to be of particular importance to the warriors of Amarr, and to the adherents of the fire temple." "So instructed the Queen to her champion, GÇÿBeware the righteous who seek truth in spirit alone; The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word, Great misery follows those who heed what only the weak have heard. Heed me champion, for only you shall know; Within the blue ring of fire lies the final key of revelation. Find this ring, my champion, and both mind and spirit shall be strong once more." "It is a far deeper verse than that related by Saint Junip last week, but what are your thoughts nonetheless?"
sir ravenwing BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 32	Posted - 2014.01.22 23:16:00 - [20] - Quote "If I may ask, does this connect to use of slavery in the Amarr empire, I've always wondered that" said Raven who is still nervous but less than last time I do not fear my enemies, I fear the damn blueberries



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