DUST Search - What if there was an in game respecing option?

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

Zimander wrote:

John Demonsbane wrote:

Zimander wrote:

DrDoktor wrote:

Let's say all of you dandy folks and your lack of satisfaction could respec whenever an update tears you a new one.
However there is a catch. A respec by unofficial means would leave a scar on your brain. Thus 35% of your skill points are lost during the process. A steep price that continues to increase with each use. So 35% the first 38&% the second etc.
A feel a reasonable price to pay.

35% that to much player who have 20mil+ SP will lose a lot compare to a player with 10mil or less
beside that its better to pay ISK let say for every 1mil SP u pay 1-3 mil ISK or 5k-10k AUR for re-space

Pay to win respecs are an exponentially worse idea for so many reasons it hurts my head.

how re-space is pay to win by using ISK witch u obtain in game is not pay to win and AUR maybe but u can look at it like early access to re-space if u don't want use u ISK

Tournament

Team A Captain > Okay boys we know that John Kaiser has 20 million SP and he dumped that into mostly HAVs he's pretty good with them so we need to get three of our guys on AV to deal with him.

Team B Captain > Okay good first round, John swap over to sniper like we discussed and well get that tank called down but park it in the red line, here's the money for the respec.

Match starts

Team A AV Squad > WTF is HAV that supposed to tear our team a new one?
Team B > Trololo lo lo

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DrDoktor PiZzA DuDeS 48	Posted - 2014.01.14 18:34:00 - [1] - Quote Let's say all of you dandy folks and your lack of satisfaction could respec whenever an update tears you a new one. However there is a catch. A respec by unofficial means would leave a scar on your brain. Thus 35% of your skill points are lost during the process. A steep price that continues to increase with each use. So 35% the first 38&% the second etc. A feel a reasonable price to pay.
Righteous Rage BIG BAD W0LVES 49	Posted - 2014.01.14 18:35:00 - [2] - Quote DrDoktor wrote: Let's say all of you dandy folks and your lack of satisfaction could respec whenever an update tears you a new one. However there is a catch. A respec by unofficial means would leave a scar on your brain. Thus 35% of your skill points are lost during the process. A steep price that continues to increase with each use. So 35% the first 38&% the second etc. A feel a reasonable price to pay. what if you had 20 million? that's dumb "Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam."
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 881	Posted - 2014.01.14 18:35:00 - [3] - Quote $15 for a respec But we still get the option for respecs when mass changes come along(like for dropsuit stuffs). "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1982	Posted - 2014.01.14 18:36:00 - [4] - Quote Righteous Rage wrote: DrDoktor wrote: Let's say all of you dandy folks and your lack of satisfaction could respec whenever an update tears you a new one. However there is a catch. A respec by unofficial means would leave a scar on your brain. Thus 35% of your skill points are lost during the process. A steep price that continues to increase with each use. So 35% the first 38&% the second etc. A feel a reasonable price to pay. what if you had 20 million? that's dumb Then you'd lose around 6-7 million sp. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Michael-J-Fox Richards molon labe. Public Disorder. 17	Posted - 2014.01.14 18:37:00 - [5] - Quote its a bad idea and you should feel bad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3jzMyYgPQs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHapAsmvGEU
Righteous Rage BIG BAD W0LVES 49	Posted - 2014.01.14 18:38:00 - [6] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Righteous Rage wrote: DrDoktor wrote: Let's say all of you dandy folks and your lack of satisfaction could respec whenever an update tears you a new one. However there is a catch. A respec by unofficial means would leave a scar on your brain. Thus 35% of your skill points are lost during the process. A steep price that continues to increase with each use. So 35% the first 38&% the second etc. A feel a reasonable price to pay. what if you had 20 million? that's dumb Then you'd lose around 6-7 million sp. yeah, dumb "Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam."
Zimander Tickle My Null-Sac 25	Posted - 2014.01.14 18:39:00 - [7] - Quote DrDoktor wrote: Let's say all of you dandy folks and your lack of satisfaction could respec whenever an update tears you a new one. However there is a catch. A respec by unofficial means would leave a scar on your brain. Thus 35% of your skill points are lost during the process. A steep price that continues to increase with each use. So 35% the first 38&% the second etc. A feel a reasonable price to pay. 35% that to much player who have 20mil+ SP will lose a lot compare to a player with 10mil or less beside that its better to pay ISK let say for every 1mil SP u pay 1-3 mil ISK or 5k-10k AUR for re-space
jerrmy12 kahoalii The Phoenix Federation 374	Posted - 2014.01.14 18:40:00 - [8] - Quote DrDoktor wrote: Let's say all of you dandy folks and your lack of satisfaction could respec whenever an update tears you a new one. However there is a catch. A respec by unofficial means would leave a scar on your brain. Thus 35% of your skill points are lost during the process. A steep price that continues to increase with each use. So 35% the first 38&% the second etc. A feel a reasonable price to pay. So if you wish to jump on that FOTM bandwagon or just plain tired of the role you've subjugated yourself to, it would be a system that I hope has enough to make it not highly exploitable. that defeats the whole purpose of a respec theres a catch: im going to kill you over and over Closed beta vet I use a tablet so beware of typos
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1581	Posted - 2014.01.14 18:41:00 - [9] - Quote Zimander wrote: DrDoktor wrote: Let's say all of you dandy folks and your lack of satisfaction could respec whenever an update tears you a new one. However there is a catch. A respec by unofficial means would leave a scar on your brain. Thus 35% of your skill points are lost during the process. A steep price that continues to increase with each use. So 35% the first 38&% the second etc. A feel a reasonable price to pay. 35% that to much player who have 20mil+ SP will lose a lot compare to a player with 10mil or less beside that its better to pay ISK let say for every 1mil SP u pay 1-3 mil ISK or 5k-10k AUR for re-space Pay to win respecs are an exponentially worse idea for so many reasons it hurts my head. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor! Forum Warrior level 1
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 12043	Posted - 2014.01.14 18:43:00 - [10] - Quote There should NEVER be a pay for respecs on demand EVER. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked

Zimander Tickle My Null-Sac 25	Posted - 2014.01.14 18:44:00 - [11] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Zimander wrote: DrDoktor wrote: Let's say all of you dandy folks and your lack of satisfaction could respec whenever an update tears you a new one. However there is a catch. A respec by unofficial means would leave a scar on your brain. Thus 35% of your skill points are lost during the process. A steep price that continues to increase with each use. So 35% the first 38&% the second etc. A feel a reasonable price to pay. 35% that to much player who have 20mil+ SP will lose a lot compare to a player with 10mil or less beside that its better to pay ISK let say for every 1mil SP u pay 1-3 mil ISK or 5k-10k AUR for re-space Pay to win respecs are an exponentially worse idea for so many reasons it hurts my head. how re-space is pay to win by using ISK witch u obtain in game is not pay to win and AUR maybe but u can look at it like early access to re-space if u don't want use u ISK
Gemini Reynolds Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 123	Posted - 2014.01.14 18:45:00 - [12] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: There should NEVER be a pay for respecs on demand EVER. Agreed. It would make the meaning of choices a player has made moot. Want to spec into a new build? Get more SP.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 302	Posted - 2014.01.14 18:46:00 - [13] - Quote No one would want to lose 6 million skill points to refund what is probably less than 2 million. It is the same as not having a respec except for those that have less than a million and seriously messed up their builds, so very new players. But if I remember correctly, they get a respec out of Academy, yes? 15 dollars for a respec is not a good idea. It means that your choices are not really that important because you are always 15 bucks away from shooting to something different. I think the way Vehicle respecs were handled is a fair way of going about it. When something is changed drastically, CCP should do a respec for those skills in questions. With the upcoming Dropsuit changes, I think Dropsuit Command should definitely be refunded. When it comes to Dropsuit Upgrades, that is much harder to say. But that model is fair: "we seriously changed something, have your points in what was changed back." Something like that wouldn't work in EVE because EVE is far, far, far more hardcore than DUST (which is totally okay as they are completely separate entities) but I think would work well with DUST as the only thing that can happen in DUST is fighting. Be well. -Joseph
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 12043	Posted - 2014.01.14 18:46:00 - [14] - Quote Zimander wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Zimander wrote: DrDoktor wrote: Let's say all of you dandy folks and your lack of satisfaction could respec whenever an update tears you a new one. However there is a catch. A respec by unofficial means would leave a scar on your brain. Thus 35% of your skill points are lost during the process. A steep price that continues to increase with each use. So 35% the first 38&% the second etc. A feel a reasonable price to pay. 35% that to much player who have 20mil+ SP will lose a lot compare to a player with 10mil or less beside that its better to pay ISK let say for every 1mil SP u pay 1-3 mil ISK or 5k-10k AUR for re-space Pay to win respecs are an exponentially worse idea for so many reasons it hurts my head. how re-space is pay to win by using ISK witch u obtain in game is not pay to win and AUR maybe but u can look at it like early access to re-space if u don't want use u ISK Tournament Team A Captain > Okay boys we know that John Kaiser has 20 million SP and he dumped that into mostly HAVs he's pretty good with them so we need to get three of our guys on AV to deal with him. Team B Captain > Okay good first round, John swap over to sniper like we discussed and well get that tank called down but park it in the red line, here's the money for the respec. Match starts Team A AV Squad > WTF is HAV that supposed to tear our team a new one? Team B > Trololo lo lo CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5050	Posted - 2014.01.14 18:48:00 - [15] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: There should NEVER be a pay for respecs on demand EVER. Absolutely agree, and to extend to that there shouldn't ever be a respec mechanic in Dust either. All we need is a respec when CCP majorly changes the function of skills or adds in core content, both of which supposedly happening in the next update. If all goes well, this would be the last respec ever. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
DrDoktor PiZzA DuDeS 48	Posted - 2014.01.14 18:49:00 - [16] - Quote Gemini Reynolds wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: There should NEVER be a pay for respecs on demand EVER. Agreed. It would make the meaning of choices a player has made moot. Want to spec into a new build? Get more SP. Never would want to see actual money for a respec. If a respec were to be implemented into the game I figure it should have a steep cost, why I vouched for SP. If an ingame option for a respec were to exist than it needs some sort of measure to make sure it's not exploited
The Robot Devil molon labe. Public Disorder. 1555	Posted - 2014.01.14 18:50:00 - [17] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: There should NEVER be a pay for respecs on demand EVER. Sweet Zombie Jesus, some one else said it. I say if you want a respec then you should start an new character and play on that one. There is plenty of time to save SP before anything happens, I think the idea should be to try and play the game and save SP. GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." Hunter S. Thompson
DJINNDicknoseturdwaffle Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 349	Posted - 2014.01.14 18:50:00 - [18] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: There should NEVER be a pay for respecs on demand EVER. This man right here, we don't always agree but he's right. And if they gave respecs now after some of us have left that'd be a poor decision.. If you're going to be bad, be bad in bed.
Zimander Tickle My Null-Sac 25	Posted - 2014.01.14 18:50:00 - [19] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Zimander wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Zimander wrote: DrDoktor wrote: Let's say all of you dandy folks and your lack of satisfaction could respec whenever an update tears you a new one. However there is a catch. A respec by unofficial means would leave a scar on your brain. Thus 35% of your skill points are lost during the process. A steep price that continues to increase with each use. So 35% the first 38&% the second etc. A feel a reasonable price to pay. 35% that to much player who have 20mil+ SP will lose a lot compare to a player with 10mil or less beside that its better to pay ISK let say for every 1mil SP u pay 1-3 mil ISK or 5k-10k AUR for re-space Pay to win respecs are an exponentially worse idea for so many reasons it hurts my head. how re-space is pay to win by using ISK witch u obtain in game is not pay to win and AUR maybe but u can look at it like early access to re-space if u don't want use u ISK Tournament Team A Captain > Okay boys we know that John Kaiser has 20 million SP and he dumped that into mostly HAVs he's pretty good with them so we need to get three of our guys on AV to deal with him. Team B Captain > Okay good first round, John swap over to sniper like we discussed and well get that tank called down but park it in the red line, here's the money for the respec. Match starts Team A AV Squad > WTF is HAV that supposed to tear our team a new one? Team B > Trololo lo lo there is solution for everything let say there gone be respace for isk when there is a tournament all respace are on hold and if something make a 2 passible respace per year in this situation there gone be no respace spam PS is not like I want to get respace
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2215	Posted - 2014.01.14 18:52:00 - [20] - Quote DrDoktor wrote: Let's say all of you dandy folks and your lack of satisfaction could respec whenever an update tears you a new one. However there is a catch. A respec by unofficial means would leave a scar on your brain. Thus 35% of your skill points are lost during the process. A steep price that continues to increase with each use. So 35% the first 38&% the second etc. A feel a reasonable price to pay. So if you wish to jump on that FOTM bandwagon or just plain tired of the role you've subjugated yourself to, it would be a system that I hope has enough to make it not highly exploitable. Be pointless At over 35mil SP i would lose over 10mil Not even worth it Intelligence is OP

Righteous Rage BIG BAD W0LVES 50	Posted - 2014.01.14 18:52:00 - [21] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: There should NEVER be a pay for respecs on demand EVER. why not? "Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam."
DJINNDicknoseturdwaffle Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 349	Posted - 2014.01.14 18:57:00 - [22] - Quote Righteous Rage wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: There should NEVER be a pay for respecs on demand EVER. why not? Your choices won't mean a thing then, but every choice is supposed mean everything toy around before spending all your sp on it not do the fotm people did with the cal assault op era. People got a respec knowing it would be nerfed yet they skilled into it anyways and complained about..it's been proven that respecs lead to fotm and crying for another respec when it's nerfed... If you're going to be bad, be bad in bed.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 998	Posted - 2014.01.14 19:03:00 - [23] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: There should NEVER be a pay for respecs on demand EVER. Yet you tards on the CPM are pushing for respecs all the time... I hope you all encounter LAV grills in the most expensive fits possible.
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 408	Posted - 2014.01.14 19:03:00 - [24] - Quote imo AUR respecs is one of the best ways to get money into CCPs hands for DUST without pay to win. Respecs dont give you anything another player couldnt have gotten for free. It only gives you a chance to play the game a different way. If someone wants to throw money at CCP (and therefore allow them more funds to make a better game) to use the FOTM? Awesome. AUR respecs are a lot less pay to win than AUR skill boosters. I dont see how anyone could argue against AUR respecs and not skill boosters. But both are good, solid ideas for CCP to make money off this game and keep it F2P. Basically, Im for AUR respecs, not because id do it, but because I want more people giving CCP money. The best way to handle AUR respecs would be to make each respec module only able to reset a certain amount of SP. I read in the past, ideas about ones that reset the SP over time. So basically I equip my active respec, select the skill to "untrain" and it drains the SP from it. This way, its pretty much like a passive booster, but faster but with the negative of losing the skill you dont want anymore. That seems completely fair.
Zimander Tickle My Null-Sac 25	Posted - 2014.01.14 19:08:00 - [25] - Quote Bones McGavins wrote: imo AUR respecs is one of the best ways to get money into CCPs hands for DUST without pay to win. Respecs dont give you anything another player couldnt have gotten for free. It only gives you a chance to play the game a different way. If someone wants to throw money at CCP (and therefore allow them more funds to make a better game) to use the FOTM? Awesome. AUR respecs are a lot less pay to win than AUR skill boosters. I dont see how anyone could argue against AUR respecs and not skill boosters. But both are good, solid ideas for CCP to make money off this game and keep it F2P. Basically, Im for AUR respecs, not because id do it, but because I want more people giving CCP money. The best way to handle AUR respecs would be to make each respec module only able to reset a certain amount of SP. I read in the past, ideas about ones that reset the SP over time. So basically I equip my active respec, select the skill to "untrain" and it drains the SP from it. This way, its pretty much like a passive booster, but faster but with the negative of losing the skill you dont want anymore. That seems completely fair. and that even better idea
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 12043	Posted - 2014.01.14 19:18:00 - [26] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: There should NEVER be a pay for respecs on demand EVER. Yet you tards on the CPM are pushing for respecs all the time... I hope you all encounter LAV grills in the most expensive fits possible. Since when? We only recommend the respecs when its needed Its needed for 1.8 due to nearly 100% of the suits getting molested and some suits may no longer match a play style and since weapons are also involved, a full infantry respec may be warranted. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 998	Posted - 2014.01.14 19:22:00 - [27] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Since when? Since 1.8... Grow some balls.
Amarrgheddon Warcaste 85	Posted - 2014.01.14 19:24:00 - [28] - Quote DJINNDicknoseturdwaffle wrote: Righteous Rage wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: There should NEVER be a pay for respecs on demand EVER. why not? Your choices won't mean a thing then, but every choice is supposed mean everything toy around before spending all your sp on it not do the fotm people did with the cal assault op era. People got a respec knowing it would be nerfed yet they skilled into it anyways and complained about..it's been proven that respecs lead to fotm and crying for another respec when it's nerfed... my choices don't mean a thing anyways. I skilled into things that worked before 1.7. I skilled into tanks during 1.7. In 1.8 I will be wasting skill points to combat whatever stupid ideas they implement there.
Maximus Stryker Who Are Those Guys 776	Posted - 2014.01.14 19:50:00 - [29] - Quote DrDoktor wrote: Let's say all of you dandy folks and your lack of satisfaction could respec whenever an update tears you a new one. However there is a catch. A respec by unofficial means would leave a scar on your brain. Thus 35% of your skill points are lost during the process. A steep price that continues to increase with each use. So 35% the first 38&% the second etc. A feel a reasonable price to pay. So if you wish to jump on that FOTM bandwagon or just plain tired of the role you've subjugated yourself to, it would be a system that I hope has enough to make it not highly exploitable. a third of your SP, really? seems kinda steep to me. I would pay AUR/ISK and have it increase with each respec and maybe a small SP penalty like 3% but surely not a third of my SP. not worth it to loose 10m SP. not by a long shot *Faction Channels for FW Staging* PIE Ground Control \| Caldari Hierarchy \| Turalyon \| Chosen Matari


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