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knight guard fury
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Posted - 2014.01.13 04:37:00 -
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ive only heard some people talking about it in the npc corp chat in eve, but i thought this was interesting
minmatar news
what are your thoughts on these recent events of change for the minmatar
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sir ravenwing
BurgezzE.T.F
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.01.13 05:11:00 -
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Finally
Been waiting for this to happen
Protocol 72 will now commence says raven in a much outdated device
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steadyhand amarr
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.13 08:37:00 -
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Thats very intresting. Also very embarrassing for the galenta does that mean they are going to panic and invade the minmatar home world because they dont do things their way
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Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2014.01.13 08:47:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:Thats very intresting. Also very embarrassing for the galenta does that mean they are going to panic and invade the minmatar home world because they dont do things their way
That would be political suicide on the Federation's part, and they have yet to make a statement on this.
But in any case, this is a good move for the Minmatar, I hope they'll stay on that path.
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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.13 09:13:00 -
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Denak Kalamari wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:Thats very intresting. Also very embarrassing for the galenta does that mean they are going to panic and invade the minmatar home world because they dont do things their way That would be political suicide on the Federation's part, and they have yet to make a statement on this. But in any case, this is a good move for the Minmatar, I hope they'll stay on that path.
Indeed though it has struck a blow to those who would consider the Minmatar pawns of the Gallente. These are the proud people the Amarr saw such potential in, the same people who would have been my brothers and sisters.
Alas such is not so.
Even so I have to admire the Republics stance on the matter, this definitely to me is a statement of independence in but in a manner that does not preclude continued cultural and theological exchange with the Minmatar as of yet.
"Face the enemy as a solid wall.
For faith is your armour and through it, the enemy will find no breach"
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steadyhand amarr
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
2139
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Posted - 2014.01.13 13:43:00 -
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Im with true the matri have gained a lot of respect in my eyes. And as on offical move i requst matri help on transfering all my matri slaves back to their respective tribes.
I think its time we start trying bridge the devide the gals forced on people
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Vinsarrow
New Eden Blades Of The Azure
Zero-Day
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Posted - 2014.01.13 19:44:00 -
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Well their is hope here actually perhaps with this new political order the old hate between Amarr & Minmitar will be ended. Maybe the 2 can unite 1 day.
If not.... It's looking bad for The Minmitar. Basiclly The Mercenary's is holding the former republic together it would seem.
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steadyhand amarr
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
2143
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Posted - 2014.01.13 22:17:00 -
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i will do as the empress commands and she wants talks over direct strike now. and i for one would much rather we open up coroptive talks that matri have more than shown they are not the beasts we mistook them for and its now time to understand them and incorporate them to strengthen both our empires.
the gallenta though will need a lot of work they take their freedom for granted and wast the gifts that have been given to them :(
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
8041
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Posted - 2014.01.14 02:00:00 -
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So...
The tribal heads are the council in charge
The Sanmatar is a ceremonial leader with power that can declare emergencies
Each tribe gets 5 representatives in the parliament
The prime minister is appointed by the parliament
I have no problems with this new system, democracy is basically a glorified popularity contest. What matters to me is protection of individual rights under the constitution, and effective government (for which I prefer a meritocracy, just not one measured by profit like the Caldari's), and division of power (no one person has all the power, which is good). I have many questions in regard to my priorities:
How does a tribal chief get the position? is it merit-based in some way?
By what mechanisms to the tribes select their parliament members? is it merit-based in some way?
What are the powers of the prime minister?
What individual rights are guaranteed in the new government?
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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
5652
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Posted - 2014.01.14 02:36:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:Im with true the matri have gained a lot of respect in my eyes. And as on offical move i requst matri help on transfering all my matri slaves back to their respective tribes.
I think its time we start trying bridge the devide the gals forced on people
That is unwise if they are not ready. Our sacred duty is not to use the children of God as bargaining chips, they are ours to educate. So that they to might bring the light to darkened stars.
I also share the same sentiment as Steadyhand. My duty is to my Empress and Her House. I have sworn to uphold the laws of the Empire, and fight for its immortal destiny in place of others. Where she whims I shall go.
But Steadyhand you know better than that, we have discussed to no end our thoughts in regards to the Matari, they have never been beasts, merely ignorant of the true way to live. As you point out, and as I like to say.
The Spiritual war is never truely won at the point of a sword.
"Face the enemy as a solid wall.
For faith is your armour and through it, the enemy will find no breach"
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Maikyl Metsar
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.01.14 02:58:00 -
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The Gallenteans must be feeling very lonely in this galaxy... Almost every race they contact rejects their way of life. The Caldari being the most notably, but also the Intaki separatists, and now their fledgling little Republic friends have turned away. It seems only the Jin-Mei have truly stayed in whole... Though they still maintain their caste system much to the Federation's disappointment.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
8041
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Posted - 2014.01.14 03:11:00 -
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Maikyl Metsar wrote:The Gallenteans must be feeling very lonely in this galaxy... Almost every race they contact rejects their way of life. The Caldari being the most notably, but also the Intaki separatists, and now their fledgling little Republic friends have turned away. It seems only the Jin-Mei have truly stayed in whole... Though they still maintain their caste system much to the Federation's disappointment.
Actually, you really don't hear much about the Jin-Mei at all.
Same can be said for the Amarr, the difference is that the Gallente don't go around enslaving people to push their ways on others.
Also, Gallente political system =/= Gallente way of life, there is more to them then their political system.
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knight guard fury
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.01.14 03:11:00 -
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i believe the minmatar are going in the right direction with this, but kagehoshi said, id also like to know how things are done now.
i also think that stepping away from the gallente-like democracy very good as well meaning that we are becoming more independent with ourselves and how we do things.
i still don't like the fact that the amarr are enslaving us still but at least i know that you free them after a certain amount of "teaching", your'e basically telling them all about amarr life and religion which you shouldn't be making/convincing others to join your faith, as it is our own decision to choose who/what we believe in for many reasons.
and like Tobias Efrit said, "This day has brought the tribes back to power and I rejoice" and i will do the same.
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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
5654
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Posted - 2014.01.14 03:12:00 -
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Maikyl Metsar wrote:The Gallenteans must be feeling very lonely in this galaxy... Almost every race they contact rejects their way of life. The Caldari being the most notably, but also the Intaki separatists, and now their fledgling little Republic friends have turned away. It seems only the Jin-Mei have truly stayed in whole... Though they still maintain their caste system much to the Federation's disappointment.
Actually, you really don't hear much about the Jin-Mei at all.
No you do not. However do you think can we consider this more stand offish nature a sign that the tensions between the Gallente Federation and our Empire might soften given time?
It has been suggested to me that the Minmatar compose a rather strong voting bloc within the Federation which for some time has been exerting pressure to keep such tensions strong.
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For faith is your armour and through it, the enemy will find no breach"
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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.14 03:13:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Maikyl Metsar wrote:The Gallenteans must be feeling very lonely in this galaxy... Almost every race they contact rejects their way of life. The Caldari being the most notably, but also the Intaki separatists, and now their fledgling little Republic friends have turned away. It seems only the Jin-Mei have truly stayed in whole... Though they still maintain their caste system much to the Federation's disappointment.
Actually, you really don't hear much about the Jin-Mei at all. Same can be said for the Amarr, the difference is that the Gallente don't go around enslaving people to push their ways on others. Also, Gallente political system =/= Gallente way of life, there is more to them then their political system.
As is there more to the Amarr than slavery.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.01.14 03:32:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Maikyl Metsar wrote:The Gallenteans must be feeling very lonely in this galaxy... Almost every race they contact rejects their way of life. The Caldari being the most notably, but also the Intaki separatists, and now their fledgling little Republic friends have turned away. It seems only the Jin-Mei have truly stayed in whole... Though they still maintain their caste system much to the Federation's disappointment.
Actually, you really don't hear much about the Jin-Mei at all. Same can be said for the Amarr, the difference is that the Gallente don't go around enslaving people to push their ways on others. Also, Gallente political system =/= Gallente way of life, there is more to them then their political system. As is there more to the Amarr than slavery.
Yeah, but slavery seems to be the main way you push the totality of your way of life on others. I would not mind you people spreading your way of life if it was not through such horrific means, and yes I know you guys have some religious justification about how its supposedly for the religious good of those enslaves, but spare me that argument; only works on those who already accepted your fate anyway.
Anyone know the answers to my previous questions regarding the tribal government?
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knight guard fury
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
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Posted - 2014.01.14 03:37:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:True Adamance wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Maikyl Metsar wrote:The Gallenteans must be feeling very lonely in this galaxy... Almost every race they contact rejects their way of life. The Caldari being the most notably, but also the Intaki separatists, and now their fledgling little Republic friends have turned away. It seems only the Jin-Mei have truly stayed in whole... Though they still maintain their caste system much to the Federation's disappointment.
Actually, you really don't hear much about the Jin-Mei at all. Same can be said for the Amarr, the difference is that the Gallente don't go around enslaving people to push their ways on others. Also, Gallente political system =/= Gallente way of life, there is more to them then their political system. As is there more to the Amarr than slavery. Yeah, but slavery seems to be the main way you push the totality of your way of life on others. I would not mind you people spreading your way of life if it was not through such horrific means, and yes I know you guys have some religious justification about how its supposedly for the religious good of those enslaves, but spare me that argument; only works on those who already accepted your fate anyway. Anyone know the answers to my previous questions regarding the tribal government?
im fairly certain not many people know how the know system works but (IRL) (correct me if im wrong) it could compare to the UK parliment in some way but im just geussing.
my guess is each tribe votes for 5 of their best people to represent them as a whole and they all decide on important things whenever they meet
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steadyhand amarr
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
2146
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Posted - 2014.01.14 08:13:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:Im with true the matri have gained a lot of respect in my eyes. And as on offical move i requst matri help on transfering all my matri slaves back to their respective tribes.
I think its time we start trying bridge the devide the gals forced on people That is unwise if they are not ready. Our sacred duty is not to use the children of God as bargaining chips, they are ours to educate. So that they to might bring the light to darkened stars. I also share the same sentiment as Steadyhand. My duty is to my Empress and Her House. I have sworn to uphold the laws of the Empire, and fight for its immortal destiny in place of others. Where she whims I shall go. But Steadyhand you know better than that, we have discussed to no end our thoughts in regards to the Matari, they have never been beasts, merely ignorant of the true way to live. As you point out, and as I like to say. The Spiritual war is never truely won at the point of a sword.
Forgive me poor choice of words. I mearly met to highlight the development they have come along. Im not propseing full intergration put mearly a open friendship were we strive to understand each other
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steadyhand amarr
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
2148
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Posted - 2014.01.14 10:51:00 -
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But for real my servents need homes to go to im not going to ditch them at the nearest station i want to make sure they have a good start in their new lives
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Matobar
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:16:00 -
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Everyone seem to believe the Gallente are up in arms about this turn of events.
Protip: we're not.
The Minmatar are, and will always be, our allies. We recognize the right of every individual to choose how they wish to live, even if they decide democracy is not that choice.
There are Minmatar right now in the Federation, living their lives in peace and happiness under our umbrella. And any who find the new system not to their liking are welcome to join their friends here, with us. Just as any Amarr or Caldari are also welcome to come to us for supplication.
However rocky things are between the Federation and the Republic right now, we're glad they've finally decided to make their own stand in the world. Sometimes it is best to realize that your way of life is not effective outside of your own borders, and to let others go their own way.
So long as the new Republic continues to serve the interests of the Minmatar people, and their Gallente friends and allies, we will continue to have a peaceful, prosperous relationship.
Also, Amarr keep slaves. And that's just absurd. |
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Red Star.
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:20:00 -
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Matobar wrote:Everyone seem to believe the Gallente are up in arms about this turn of events.
Protip: we're not.
The Minmatar are, and will always be, our allies. We recognize the right of every individual to choose how they wish to live, even if they decide democracy is not that choice.
There are Minmatar right now in the Federation, living their lives in peace and happiness under our umbrella. And any who find the new system not to their liking are welcome to join their friends here, with us. Just as any Amarr or Caldari are also welcome to come to us for supplication.
However rocky things are between the Federation and the Republic right now, we're glad they've finally decided to make their own stand in the world. Sometimes it is best to realize that your way of life is not effective outside of your own borders, and to let others go their own way.
So long as the new Republic continues to serve the interests of the Minmatar people, and their Gallente friends and allies, we will continue to have a peaceful, prosperous relationship.
Also, Amarr keep slaves. And that's just absurd.
Try telling that to a Caldari.
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Matobar
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:28:00 -
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XANDER KAG wrote:Matobar wrote:Everyone seem to believe the Gallente are up in arms about this turn of events.
Protip: we're not.
The Minmatar are, and will always be, our allies. We recognize the right of every individual to choose how they wish to live, even if they decide democracy is not that choice.
There are Minmatar right now in the Federation, living their lives in peace and happiness under our umbrella. And any who find the new system not to their liking are welcome to join their friends here, with us. Just as any Amarr or Caldari are also welcome to come to us for supplication.
However rocky things are between the Federation and the Republic right now, we're glad they've finally decided to make their own stand in the world. Sometimes it is best to realize that your way of life is not effective outside of your own borders, and to let others go their own way.
So long as the new Republic continues to serve the interests of the Minmatar people, and their Gallente friends and allies, we will continue to have a peaceful, prosperous relationship.
Also, Amarr keep slaves. And that's just absurd. Try telling that to a Caldari.
The warmongers who wrongfully sought to persecute the Caldari people were as fringe as the Caldari terrorists who committed atrocities leading to the war. Neither need be mentioned now. |
Maikyl Metsar
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:45:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Maikyl Metsar wrote:The Gallenteans must be feeling very lonely in this galaxy... Almost every race they contact rejects their way of life. The Caldari being the most notably, but also the Intaki separatists, and now their fledgling little Republic friends have turned away. It seems only the Jin-Mei have truly stayed in whole... Though they still maintain their caste system much to the Federation's disappointment.
Actually, you really don't hear much about the Jin-Mei at all. Same can be said for the Amarr, the difference is that the Gallente don't go around enslaving people to push their ways on others. Also, Gallente political system =/= Gallente way of life, there is more to them then their political system.
We have the Khanid, Ni Kunni, Ealur, and the Ammatar living peacefully within the Empire. That is four races who have accepted our way of life. Granted there was major conflict with the Minmatar and lesser conflict with the Khanid. However the Ni Kunni and Ealur have never revolted or resisted the Amarr rule.
Also the Gallente are notorious for "pushing their ways" on others. They are hostile and intolerant to closed societies, ignorant or unaccepting of the deep cultural difference that have developed the modern political systems. The Caldari are the prime example. A people who developed a tradition, culture, and religion based on hard work, perseverance, and testing oneself. Yet when they decided that the Federation did not allow them to hold to these ideals and their own state had to be formed, the Gallenteans tore them from their home world at gunpoint.
Now the Minmatar are developing into a more closed society based on tribal law and progression, not free elections. The future will be interesting. |
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Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.01.14 17:12:00 -
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Maikyl Metsar wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Maikyl Metsar wrote:The Gallenteans must be feeling very lonely in this galaxy... Almost every race they contact rejects their way of life. The Caldari being the most notably, but also the Intaki separatists, and now their fledgling little Republic friends have turned away. It seems only the Jin-Mei have truly stayed in whole... Though they still maintain their caste system much to the Federation's disappointment.
Actually, you really don't hear much about the Jin-Mei at all. Same can be said for the Amarr, the difference is that the Gallente don't go around enslaving people to push their ways on others. Also, Gallente political system =/= Gallente way of life, there is more to them then their political system. We have the Khanid, Ni Kunni, Ealur, and the Ammatar living peacefully within the Empire. That is four races who have accepted our way of life. Granted there was major conflict with the Minmatar and lesser conflict with the Khanid. However the Ni Kunni and Ealur have never revolted or resisted the Amarr rule. Also the Gallente are notorious for "pushing their ways" on others. They are hostile and intolerant to closed societies, ignorant or unaccepting of the deep cultural difference that have developed the modern political systems. The Caldari are the prime example. A people who developed a tradition, culture, and religion based on hard work, perseverance, and testing oneself. Yet when they decided that the Federation did not allow them to hold to these ideals and their own state had to be formed, the Gallenteans tore them from their home world at gunpoint. Now the Minmatar are developing into a more closed society based on tribal law and progression, not free elections. The future will be interesting.
Yes, exactly. Most races the Amarr have made contact with have accepted our way of life, because we don't see to change their culture entirely - only show them the Light! And even many of the freed Minmatar who live among the Minmatar Republic still practice the faith.
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Matobar
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.01.14 17:16:00 -
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Maikyl Metsar wrote:
We have the Khanid, Ni Kunni, Ealur, and the Ammatar living peacefully within the Empire. That is four races who have accepted our way of life. Granted there was major conflict with the Minmatar and lesser conflict with the Khanid. However the Ni Kunni and Ealur have never revolted or resisted the Amarr rule.
Also the Gallente are notorious for "pushing their ways" on others. They are hostile and intolerant to closed societies, ignorant or unaccepting of the deep cultural difference that have developed the modern political systems. The Caldari are the prime example. A people who developed a tradition, culture, and religion based on hard work, perseverance, and testing oneself. Yet when they decided that the Federation did not allow them to hold to these ideals and their own state had to be formed, the Gallenteans tore them from their home world at gunpoint.
Now the Minmatar are developing into a more closed society based on tribal law and progression, not free elections. The future will be interesting.
Keep in mind that, just because we believe in progress and understanding, we do not usually resort to force in order to solve our disputes. Hundreds of years of stable democracy can attest to that.
The Caldari-Gallente War was started with violent acts from the Caldari, which certain elements within our government responded to. Yes, I believe the response was the incorrect one, but we did not immediately resort to violence, and many within the Federation wished to sue for peace immediately. The current war is another example of elements within the State using violence to achieve an end. I don't subscribe to the belief that Tibus Heth is representative of your people (he was ran out of office for crying out loud) just as I hope you don't believe that people like Alexander Noir represent mine. |
Maikyl Metsar
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.01.14 17:33:00 -
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Matobar wrote:
Keep in mind that, just because we believe in progress and understanding, we do not usually resort to force in order to solve our disputes. Hundreds of years of stable democracy can attest to that.
The Caldari-Gallente War was started with violent acts from the Caldari, which certain elements within our government responded to. Yes, I believe the response was the incorrect one, but we did not immediately resort to violence, and many within the Federation wished to sue for peace immediately. The current war is another example of elements within the State using violence to achieve an end. I don't subscribe to the belief that Tibus Heth is representative of your people (he was ran out of office for crying out loud) just as I hope you don't believe that people like Alexander Noir represent mine.
I am not Caldari, I was simply citing their strife as an example... I am True Amarr of the blood of Old Athra, and a Holder of the Lower Houses.
Also your "hundreds of years of stable democracy" pales in comparison to the over 15,000 years of imperial succession.
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Matobar
Onslaught Inc
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Posted - 2014.01.14 17:42:00 -
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Maikyl Metsar wrote:
I am not Caldari, I was simply citing their strife as an example... I am True Amarr of the blood of Old Athra, and a Holder of the Lower Houses.
Also your "hundreds of years of stable democracy" pales in comparison to the over 15,000 years of imperial succession.
Apologies, I meant no offense.
And this isn't a time to compare how long our respective governments have held sway over our people. There have been rough patches for both, after all. Your Chamberlain was in league with the Blood Raiders and tried to usurp the Empress, while our president Foiritan was impeached after his failure to stand up to the terror that was Tibus Heath.
Neither were the proudest moments of our histories, but they should also not be used by others to define who we are.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.01.14 20:48:00 -
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Maikyl Metsar wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Maikyl Metsar wrote:The Gallenteans must be feeling very lonely in this galaxy... Almost every race they contact rejects their way of life. The Caldari being the most notably, but also the Intaki separatists, and now their fledgling little Republic friends have turned away. It seems only the Jin-Mei have truly stayed in whole... Though they still maintain their caste system much to the Federation's disappointment.
Actually, you really don't hear much about the Jin-Mei at all. Same can be said for the Amarr, the difference is that the Gallente don't go around enslaving people to push their ways on others. Also, Gallente political system =/= Gallente way of life, there is more to them then their political system. We have the Khanid, Ni Kunni, Ealur, and the Ammatar living peacefully within the Empire. That is four races who have accepted our way of life. Granted there was major conflict with the Minmatar and lesser conflict with the Khanid. However the Ni Kunni and Ealur have never revolted or resisted the Amarr rule. Also the Gallente are notorious for "pushing their ways" on others. They are hostile and intolerant to closed societies, ignorant or unaccepting of the deep cultural difference that have developed the modern political systems. The Caldari are the prime example. A people who developed a tradition, culture, and religion based on hard work, perseverance, and testing oneself. Yet when they decided that the Federation did not allow them to hold to these ideals and their own state had to be formed, the Gallenteans tore them from their home world at gunpoint. Now the Minmatar are developing into a more closed society based on tribal law and progression, not free elections. The future will be interesting.
The Ni Kunni were forced to be part of the Empire as slaves, and made to assimilate against their will. Same with the Ealur. The fact that they have been so assimilated and culturally dominated that they don't fight back does not change the essential truth that the Amarr Empire are bullies. If these races were granted the opportunity to revolt successfully like the Minmatar did (Jove war) while they were still slaves, I'm sure they would have taken it.
The Khanid are just Amarr that tried to secede from the Empire, not a different culture that has come to accept your way of life. They are your Caldari, just not as successful.
I don't necessarily agree or disagree with the Gallente's past (or present) claims of sovereignty over the Caldari, but they have never tried to erase the Caldari's culture through slavery and assimilation. Pushing democracy is a much lesser offense than vitoc-filled slavery and cultural eradication.
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Matobar wrote:Maikyl Metsar wrote:
We have the Khanid, Ni Kunni, Ealur, and the Ammatar living peacefully within the Empire. That is four races who have accepted our way of life. Granted there was major conflict with the Minmatar and lesser conflict with the Khanid. However the Ni Kunni and Ealur have never revolted or resisted the Amarr rule.
Also the Gallente are notorious for "pushing their ways" on others. They are hostile and intolerant to closed societies, ignorant or unaccepting of the deep cultural difference that have developed the modern political systems. The Caldari are the prime example. A people who developed a tradition, culture, and religion based on hard work, perseverance, and testing oneself. Yet when they decided that the Federation did not allow them to hold to these ideals and their own state had to be formed, the Gallenteans tore them from their home world at gunpoint.
Now the Minmatar are developing into a more closed society based on tribal law and progression, not free elections. The future will be interesting.
Keep in mind that, just because we believe in progress and understanding, we do not usually resort to force in order to solve our disputes. Hundreds of years of stable democracy can attest to that. The Caldari-Gallente War was started with violent acts from the Caldari, which certain elements within our government responded to. Yes, I believe the response was the incorrect one, but we did not immediately resort to violence, and many within the Federation wished to sue for peace immediately. The current war is another example of elements within the State using violence to achieve an end. I don't subscribe to the belief that Tibus Heth is representative of your people (he was ran out of office for crying out loud) just as I hope you don't believe that people like Alexander Noir represent mine.
Caldari State using force to achieve an end? More like the Caldari wanted to separate themselves from the Federation because the Federation did not respect their culture and were selflessly taking advantage of the Caldari's financial success. The Caldari State tried to leave peacefully, but the Gallente Federation needed them so bad, not just because of the economics but because seeing such a large group leave the Federation would make them look weak and unnecessary. So when the Gallente weren't able to reach an agreement through diplomacy, they resorted to violence.
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Jus' means I don't gotta feel bad about fightin' for the Amarr no more.
Open season now.
You wanna battle / Aztec's not afraid of you / I could care less about your reputation / Even though it maybe true.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I don't necessarily agree or disagree with the Gallente's past (or present) claims of sovereignty over the Caldari, but they have never tried to erase the Caldari's culture through slavery and assimilation. Pushing democracy is a much lesser offense than vitoc-filled slavery and cultural eradication.
Kill me with a rail charge, and I die. Kill me with a laser, and I die likewise.
Cultural warfare, in the form of trying to indoctrinate us as good individualists with superficially-harmless commercial holoflicks and the like, was a long-standing Gallentean foreign policy strategy.
Apparently, they failed to take into account that the only people they would thus indoctrinate were the elites, those who could afford Gallentean luxuries. Many of these were indeed influenced, and became selfish-- parasites living off the misery of those they were charged with leading. The correction, when it came, nearly plunged the State into civil war.
I mostly think of this as a miscalculation because instead of giving the Gallente a pro-democratic revolt, it gave them a traditionalist one. The Gallente themselves inadvertently raise State Executor Tibus Heth to power.
The Gallente have only rarely used coercive methods, but the attack is no less real, just less overtly brutal. |
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knight guard fury wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:True Adamance wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Maikyl Metsar wrote:The Gallenteans must be feeling very lonely in this galaxy... Almost every race they contact rejects their way of life. The Caldari being the most notably, but also the Intaki separatists, and now their fledgling little Republic friends have turned away. It seems only the Jin-Mei have truly stayed in whole... Though they still maintain their caste system much to the Federation's disappointment.
Actually, you really don't hear much about the Jin-Mei at all. Same can be said for the Amarr, the difference is that the Gallente don't go around enslaving people to push their ways on others. Also, Gallente political system =/= Gallente way of life, there is more to them then their political system. As is there more to the Amarr than slavery. Yeah, but slavery seems to be the main way you push the totality of your way of life on others. I would not mind you people spreading your way of life if it was not through such horrific means, and yes I know you guys have some religious justification about how its supposedly for the religious good of those enslaves, but spare me that argument; only works on those who already accepted your fate anyway. Anyone know the answers to my previous questions regarding the tribal government? im fairly certain not many people know how the know system works but (IRL) (correct me if im wrong) it could compare to the UK parliment in some way but im just geussing. my guess is each tribe votes for 5 of their best people to represent them as a whole and they all decide on important things whenever they meet
Got an clue abut the rest?
How does a tribal chief get the position? is it merit-based in some way?
What are the powers of the prime minister?
What individual rights are guaranteed in the new government?
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Matobar
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Posted - 2014.01.20 06:26:00 -
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As far as I know the Minmatar let their individual tribal elders choose the chief of a given tribe. |
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Posted - 2014.01.23 04:35:00 -
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Maikyl Metsar wrote:
We have the Khanid, Ni Kunni, Ealur, and the Ammatar living peacefully within the Empire. That is four races who have accepted our way of life. Granted there was major conflict with the Minmatar and lesser conflict with the Khanid. However the Ni Kunni and Ealur have never revolted or resisted the Amarr rule.
The Empire actually has "significant populations of nearly every bloodline known to New Eden" including ethnic Gallente. It is the second most diverse entity in the cluster. Current demographic information on the Empire can be found here. |
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If anything will star a war between the federation and former republic, it will be our brothers and sisters in space who are destroying any and all matari and gallete ships that enter the other's territory.
The matari's current move to create an individualized society from the rest of the empires through their own tribal culture shows that they are indeed ready to become a force of recognition able to stand on their own.
The Federation's response in irrelevant, the Matari are choosing their own way of life and last time I checked, Matari space is on the other side of High Sec across from Federation space. Plus launching a war over this would be an extremely stupid move on the Federation's part merely because of current political and military conflicts with the State.
if the federation made such a move the caldari would see this as a chance to strike back for caldari prime and would cause another Cal/Gal war that could possibly cripple both empires leaving the infant state of the Matari and every other organized space fairing society in New Eden open for Amarrian invasion and enslavement.
It would be wise for the Federation to open trade agreemets and regulation with this infant of a society in order to guarantee stability in new eden.
Remember people, as long as the Amarr Empire remains untouched and stable within, it remains a constant threat to New Eden. The other Empires are keeping it in check.
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Posted - 2014.02.10 09:38:00 -
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Matobar wrote:
Also, Amarr keep slaves. And that's just absurd.
and the Khanid keep gallentian slaves, we miss out minmatar slaves the worky harder then these hippie galllente
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Posted - 2014.02.11 15:41:00 -
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Minmitar Republic for life |
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Posted - 2014.02.22 12:22:00 -
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The Minmatar hasn't been a republic since Maleatu Shakor took over as a dictator and initiated his own war against the Empire. |
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Posted - 2014.02.22 15:46:00 -
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Sounds like this shakes things up at the top, but which of you brothers ever voted without consulting with your clan first? This doesn't seem to change much of anything in the way things are done at the bottom, and I'm fine with that.
Republics represent and derive their power from the people. In an individualistic and inherently selfish society, you need democracy to do that. Not so for a tribal one. We're still a republic, as far as I'm concerned.
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