DUST Search - New game mode in "near future." Could it be in 1.8? Taking bets

Aero Yassavi wrote:

Monkey MAC wrote:

Aero Yassavi wrote:

Bendtner92 wrote:

I seriously doubt we will see this anytime soon, maybe not until we're on the PS4.

With a larger gamemode we will absolutely need more than 16 players on each team, and I truly can't see that happening with the current comms system. 16 players trying to communicate over each other is already a mess and I can't imagine what it would be like with 32 players or more.

I'm also not sure if the PS3 can even handle more players, it seems to have enough trouble already, so this would be another reason to why we likely won't see it for a while (until Dust is on the PS4).

Really? This game mode would essentially be the same thing as Rush in Battlefield, and they do it with only 24 players.

Mag was capable 128 v 128 on the PS3, apparentlich.
The hardware is more than capable, its down to the coding.

My comment was in regards to how many players is needed to make the game mode work. Battlefield does it with 24 players and it doesn't feel empty at all.

In regards to how many players the PS3 is capable of, it's not simply down to coding either. That's part of it, but another part is sacrifices, what are you willing to give up to get a higher player count and is it worth it? These trade offs range from visual fidelity, lighting, animations, deployable objects, and so much more. MAG sacrificed a lot to make 128v128 happen, pretty much everything except the core shooter mechanics.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall. For faith is your armour and through it, the enemy will find no breach" -Askura 10:3

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Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4746	Posted - 2014.01.12 10:23:00 - [1] - Quote Back in November, CCP Stiffneck stated that there will be a new gamemode called Conquest coming in the near future. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1451342#post1451342 CCP Stiffneck wrote: The maps we designed need to fulfill the game mode "conquest" , which means you have the chance to have all battlegrounds available at the same time and travel between them. I don't know when it will come to true and how many players it will support. But it should be there in the near future. Going a bit more into detail, the game mode is essentially Skirmish 1.0 or Rush for those familiar with Battlefield. Now honestly, I am not expecting this in 1.8. However, since CCP seems to be pulling out all the stops for this next update I'll take the optimistic route, but only mildly. I'll place a 5 million ISK bet to anyone who wants to take the safer role of the pessimist. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
jenza aranda BetaMax. 2780	Posted - 2014.01.12 11:09:00 - [2] - Quote if its anything that we, the CPM have been pushing for, it may be similar to the 1.0 skirmish on a much larger scale. Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising 642	Posted - 2014.01.12 11:18:00 - [3] - Quote My god, this would give dropships the incentive to transport, and give mercs the incentive to be transported! Sweet Jesus I hope its 1.8
PADDEHATPIGEN BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 119	Posted - 2014.01.12 11:25:00 - [4] - Quote Conquest is the name of the new battles, we will be fighting over containers filled with weapon crates. The attackers will come in with an MCC and try to hack the containers and steal the weapon crates home to the MCC. While you carry a weapon crate you want be able to use weapons or sprint. The defenders will not have a MCC, they spawn in a ground base. They have to defend the containers and stop the attackers from running away with the weapon crates. Winn/loss will be determined by, attackers lose there MCC, or they get the crates to the MCC or cloning. And yes it will come in 1.8.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3948	Posted - 2014.01.12 11:28:00 - [5] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: if its anything that we, the CPM have been pushing for, it may be similar to the 1.0 skirmish on a much larger scale. Sometimes I'm happy with what you say, others I'm annoyed by what you say. You're like my boss. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 2434	Posted - 2014.01.12 11:37:00 - [6] - Quote No.
Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 816	Posted - 2014.01.12 11:41:00 - [7] - Quote PADDEHATPIGEN wrote: Conquest is the name of the new battles, we will be fighting over containers filled with weapon crates. The attackers will come in with an MCC and try to hack the containers and steal the weapon crates home to the MCC. While you carry a weapon crate you want be able to use weapons or sprint, and you will NOT be able to enter a vehicle. The defenders will not have a MCC, they spawn in a ground base. They have to defend the containers and stop the attackers from running away with the weapon crates. Winn/loss will be determined by, attackers lose there MCC, or they get the crates to the MCC or cloning. And yes it will come in 1.8. Says who? Most of us here have are smart enough not to blindly trust strangers on the internet. EDIT: Also, this sounds like you're just desperately trying to shoehorn the previous 'new game mode in 1.8' rumour into what conquest should actually sound like - it just doesn't quite look right.
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1490	Posted - 2014.01.12 11:51:00 - [8] - Quote I seriously doubt we will see this anytime soon, maybe not until we're on the PS4. With a larger gamemode we will absolutely need more than 16 players on each team, and I truly can't see that happening with the current comms system. 16 players trying to communicate over each other is already a mess and I can't imagine what it would be like with 32 players or more. I'm also not sure if the PS3 can even handle more players, it seems to have enough trouble already, so this would be another reason to why we likely won't see it for a while (until Dust is on the PS4). Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers!
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1309	Posted - 2014.01.12 12:12:00 - [9] - Quote Mother of god. Please be true, please be true, please be true, please be true! "We spent so much time huddling inside buildings with tanks circling outside like a swarm of sharks around bait"
PADDEHATPIGEN BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 120	Posted - 2014.01.12 12:39:00 - [10] - Quote Yeah I know it's NOT going to happen, it's just wishful thinking. And it's not even my idea, I read in a post yestoday someone else made But it would be cool. Btw. He called the battle mode arsenal and not conquest my mistake I just think it's a great idea.

Kingseeker Kobra Expert Intervention Caldari State 59	Posted - 2014.01.12 12:41:00 - [11] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Back in November, CCP Stiffneck stated that there will be a new gamemode called Conquest coming in the near future. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1451342#post1451342 CCP Stiffneck wrote: The maps we designed need to fulfill the game mode "conquest" , which means you have the chance to have all battlegrounds available at the same time and travel between them. I don't know when it will come to true and how many players it will support. But it should be there in the near future. Going a bit more into detail, the game mode is essentially Skirmish 1.0 or Rush for those familiar with Battlefield. Now honestly, I am not expecting this in 1.8. However, since CCP seems to be pulling out all the stops for this next update I'll take the optimistic route, but only mildly. I'll place a 5 million ISK bet to anyone who wants to take the safer role of the pessimist. i'll take that bet 5 million there is no new game mode in 1.8 Ariana glitches 31 free kills and loses anyways, LMFAO @ AE GARBAGE
steadyhand amarr Bragian Order Amarr Empire 2137	Posted - 2014.01.12 12:43:00 - [12] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: if its anything that we, the CPM have been pushing for, it may be similar to the 1.0 skirmish on a much larger scale. finally something i can thank for the CPM for if you guys really are pushing this, make it so blindly clear that if they do this it will draw a lot more people into the game and bring back a lot of older players. Rush style game-play is always better than conquest because it focuses the action. we dont have enough players in are current game mode to make the action exciting "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
sabre prime The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 14	Posted - 2014.01.12 15:14:00 - [13] - Quote PADDEHATPIGEN wrote: Conquest is the name of the new battles, we will be fighting over containers filled with weapon crates. The attackers will come in with an MCC and try to hack the containers and steal the weapon crates home to the MCC. While you carry a weapon crate you want be able to use weapons or sprint, and you will NOT be able to enter a vehicle. The defenders will not have a MCC, they spawn in a ground base. They have to defend the containers and stop the attackers from running away with the weapon crates. Winn/loss will be determined by, attackers lose there MCC, or they get the crates to the MCC or cloning. And yes it will come in 1.8. I never played in closed beta so I never experienced skirmish 1.0. However, hearing the vets talk about it gave me an idea for a game mode. Unfortunately, it would have been similar to this "Conquest" game mode. So now, no one will ever believe me . Anyway, the simple idea I had was to slightly redesign skirmish 1.0 into a salvage/resource hijacking game mode. You can call it "Convoy" game mode. Here's how it goes, Be gentle. - The MCC is actually a cargo/delivery container containing weapons and other gear. Crucially these items could also be EVE resources, allowing a link to be made to the EVE economy. This cargo container needs to be transported across a planet surface to a docking station, or "port" where the resources can be offloaded/delivered. - One team of mercs is the "CONVOY" for the slow moving cargo ship. Infantry, dropships and tanks as protection. The defenders. - The other team is the attackers. Mercs hired to capture the MCC and stop it from reaching the port. Not sure how the capturing mechanic could work best though. - Win/loss will be determined by: attackers capturing the MCC/cloning the defenders. Or defenders successfully delivering cargo to the port/cloning the attackers. - Salvage payout can be determined as a percentage of the weapons/vehicles/items that were defined as the cargo. Anyway, that's the basic idea. I didn't think through all the details. But I'm sure the bright sparks on these forums can improve it further. Desperate attempt to get BPOs
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4764	Posted - 2014.01.12 18:23:00 - [14] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: I seriously doubt we will see this anytime soon, maybe not until we're on the PS4. With a larger gamemode we will absolutely need more than 16 players on each team, and I truly can't see that happening with the current comms system. 16 players trying to communicate over each other is already a mess and I can't imagine what it would be like with 32 players or more. I'm also not sure if the PS3 can even handle more players, it seems to have enough trouble already, so this would be another reason to why we likely won't see it for a while (until Dust is on the PS4). Really? This game mode would essentially be the same thing as Rush in Battlefield, and they do it with only 24 players. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8000	Posted - 2014.01.12 18:26:00 - [15] - Quote I want to believe, but I'm afraid to be optimistic. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2758	Posted - 2014.01.12 18:28:00 - [16] - Quote Be trueeeeee Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9943	Posted - 2014.01.12 18:29:00 - [17] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: I want to believe, but I'm afraid to be optimistic. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Dropship Pilot
Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 136	Posted - 2014.01.12 18:43:00 - [18] - Quote Maybe it'll be something akin to what is displayed in the intro movie? You know those scenes showing off really large battlefields (not as small as the current ones). Also if you look at some of the current maps you can see that they're connected to different maps (way out in the redline), and it seems to be in real time too since the other map features aren't parts of the skybox.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4776	Posted - 2014.01.12 23:42:00 - [19] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: Maybe it'll be something akin to what is displayed in the intro movie? You know those scenes showing off really large battlefields (not as small as the current ones). Also if you look at some of the current maps you can see that they're connected to different maps (way out in the redline), and it seems to be in real time too since the other map features aren't parts of the skybox. That is exactly what the links in the OP are telling you. CCP design the maps such that the maps neighbor other maps in order to fulfill the requirements of this new game mode where you move from section to section. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1565	Posted - 2014.01.12 23:45:00 - [20] - Quote It sounds like large Scale skirmish. You rember the three gallante maps realeased in 1.4, they are all the same map, conquest will effectively be skirmish on the 5x5 maps. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1

Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1565	Posted - 2014.01.12 23:48:00 - [21] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: I seriously doubt we will see this anytime soon, maybe not until we're on the PS4. With a larger gamemode we will absolutely need more than 16 players on each team, and I truly can't see that happening with the current comms system. 16 players trying to communicate over each other is already a mess and I can't imagine what it would be like with 32 players or more. I'm also not sure if the PS3 can even handle more players, it seems to have enough trouble already, so this would be another reason to why we likely won't see it for a while (until Dust is on the PS4). Really? This game mode would essentially be the same thing as Rush in Battlefield, and they do it with only 24 players. Mag was capable 128 v 128 on the PS3, apparentlich. The hardware is more than capable, its down to the coding. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4777	Posted - 2014.01.12 23:54:00 - [22] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: I seriously doubt we will see this anytime soon, maybe not until we're on the PS4. With a larger gamemode we will absolutely need more than 16 players on each team, and I truly can't see that happening with the current comms system. 16 players trying to communicate over each other is already a mess and I can't imagine what it would be like with 32 players or more. I'm also not sure if the PS3 can even handle more players, it seems to have enough trouble already, so this would be another reason to why we likely won't see it for a while (until Dust is on the PS4). Really? This game mode would essentially be the same thing as Rush in Battlefield, and they do it with only 24 players. Mag was capable 128 v 128 on the PS3, apparentlich. The hardware is more than capable, its down to the coding. My comment was in regards to how many players is needed to make the game mode work. Battlefield does it with 24 players and it doesn't feel empty at all. In regards to how many players the PS3 is capable of, it's not simply down to coding either. That's part of it, but another part is sacrifices, what are you willing to give up to get a higher player count and is it worth it? These trade offs range from visual fidelity, lighting, animations, deployable objects, and so much more. MAG sacrificed a lot to make 128v128 happen, pretty much everything except the core shooter mechanics. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Scheneighnay McBob Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 3549	Posted - 2014.01.13 00:00:00 - [23] - Quote I wonder: how would skirmish 1.0 work on that large a scale? From what I remember, the MCC moves more slowly than heavies walk. We used to have a time machine
Auris Lionesse SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 52	Posted - 2014.01.13 00:01:00 - [24] - Quote Do you mean like a planet wide battle with all districts open and you can freely move between the maps?
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5605	Posted - 2014.01.13 00:03:00 - [25] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: I seriously doubt we will see this anytime soon, maybe not until we're on the PS4. With a larger gamemode we will absolutely need more than 16 players on each team, and I truly can't see that happening with the current comms system. 16 players trying to communicate over each other is already a mess and I can't imagine what it would be like with 32 players or more. I'm also not sure if the PS3 can even handle more players, it seems to have enough trouble already, so this would be another reason to why we likely won't see it for a while (until Dust is on the PS4). Really? This game mode would essentially be the same thing as Rush in Battlefield, and they do it with only 24 players. Mag was capable 128 v 128 on the PS3, apparentlich. The hardware is more than capable, its down to the coding. My comment was in regards to how many players is needed to make the game mode work. Battlefield does it with 24 players and it doesn't feel empty at all. In regards to how many players the PS3 is capable of, it's not simply down to coding either. That's part of it, but another part is sacrifices, what are you willing to give up to get a higher player count and is it worth it? These trade offs range from visual fidelity, lighting, animations, deployable objects, and so much more. MAG sacrificed a lot to make 128v128 happen, pretty much everything except the core shooter mechanics. Except MAG did many of these things well and had the high player counts. Admittedly it has been sometime since I played MAG but for what it was back then it achieved its goals of Massive Action Games. In any case I would like to be against you if only to earn that sweet 5 million but I don't have the heart to do such a thing. For the most part I want you to be right as this kind of game mode would be massive boon and draw card for Dust as a whole. Again as CCP Stiffneck said, it may not be coming to Dust now, but eventually I feel that is a long term goal for them, and the ability to transition such large maps even if only to one specific complex at a time would be a huge leap forward for CCP in terms of being able to accommodate larger player bases, not to mention a very literal reminder and exposition that we are little mercs in a very big pond. "Face the enemy as a solid wall. For faith is your armour and through it, the enemy will find no breach" -Askura 10:3
Athrak Kinz Valkyrian Armada 24	Posted - 2014.01.13 00:17:00 - [26] - Quote PADDEHATPIGEN wrote: Conquest is the name of the new battles, we will be fighting over containers filled with weapon crates. The attackers will come in with an MCC and try to hack the containers and steal the weapon crates home to the MCC. While you carry a weapon crate you want be able to use weapons or sprint, and you will NOT be able to enter a vehicle. The defenders will not have a MCC, they spawn in a ground base. They have to defend the containers and stop the attackers from running away with the weapon crates. Winn/loss will be determined by, attackers lose there MCC, or they get the crates to the MCC or cloning. And yes it will come in 1.8. That's called "Payload". Full time Logi before it was cool. GÿàProud GallenteanGÿà
Marc Rime 222	Posted - 2014.01.13 00:25:00 - [27] - Quote "Near future" means "maybe by 2015".
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 214	Posted - 2014.01.13 02:01:00 - [28] - Quote i'll take pessimist and counter bet you 10mil that it will be on the next major build (ie 2.0 or Reckoning or what ever)
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5611	Posted - 2014.01.13 02:06:00 - [29] - Quote hgghyujh wrote: i'll take pessimist and counter bet you 10mil that it will be on the next major build (ie 2.0 or Reckoning or what ever) Considering that Devs and CPM have hinted this might be a new build entirely that's very sound almost EVE like bet/scam. "Face the enemy as a solid wall. For faith is your armour and through it, the enemy will find no breach" -Askura 10:3
Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 54	Posted - 2014.01.13 02:21:00 - [30] - Quote I want it to be true so badlyGÇªbut somebody had better post something on Feedback/Requests for something like a rework of the Squad mechanics to incorporate better comms. I'm think something like Eve's fleet system with Squadleads being able to listen to Team and Squad channels at once and then alternate whether they want to talk to the squad or make an team-wide broadcast.

Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 288	Posted - 2014.01.13 02:23:00 - [31] - Quote They had Skirmish 1.0 in beta...and it did crash my PS3 a lot, there were areas of the maps I had to avoid when the MMC was moving that would simply crash the game client. At any rate, it was a fantastic game mode, and I'm very happy to hear of its' return. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG
Scheneighnay McBob Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 3552	Posted - 2014.01.13 02:27:00 - [32] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: Do you mean like a planet wide battle with all districts open and you can freely move between the maps? Pan the map around, or just look past the borders of some maps. What do you see? Some of the other maps, ofc. We used to have a time machine
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3239	Posted - 2014.01.13 02:33:00 - [33] - Quote Things just got real. You wanna battle / Aztec's not afraid of you / I could care less about your reputation / Even though it maybe true.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1336	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:27:00 - [34] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: if its anything that we, the CPM have been pushing for, it may be similar to the 1.0 skirmish on a much larger scale. Uhhhh... Sorry. That was me shuddering with pleasure. That would be so... fantastic. Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1491	Posted - 2014.01.13 08:28:00 - [35] - Quote Denn Maell wrote: I want it to be true so badlyGÇªbut somebody had better post something on Feedback/Requests for something like a rework of the Squad mechanics to incorporate better comms. I'm think something like Eve's fleet system with Squadleads being able to listen to Team and Squad channels at once and then alternate whether they want to talk to the squad or make an team-wide broadcast. There's already been a massive amount of threads requesting a MAG like comms system, starting from the beginning of closed beta. There's not been a single official dev response to any of those requests so far though, which is a little dissapointing to say the least Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers!
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 216	Posted - 2014.01.13 10:13:00 - [36] - Quote True Adamance wrote: hgghyujh wrote: i'll take pessimist and counter bet you 10mil that it will be on the next major build (ie 2.0 or Reckoning or what ever) Considering that Devs and CPM have hinted this might be a new build entirely that's very sound almost EVE like bet/scam. ..............good point. Hhhmmmmm isk doubling on sure bets in the fourms........ must do more research


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