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Rifter7 Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 319	Posted - 2014.01.11 18:54:00 - [1] - Quote so ive been seeing mention of a respec coming up with 1.8 .. people planning what to skill into and such in different channels- but i cant find any mention of it... at least on the forums. maybe it was mentioned in irc. has ccp mentioned it at all? maybe they should, i cant seem to find it in dev search..
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 4376	Posted - 2014.01.11 18:55:00 - [2] - Quote Most likely going to be a refund for all dropsuit related skills. So Dropsuit Core Upgrades, and the Dropsuit skills themselves. Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars EVE - White Sign Soapstone (Trial for newbs)
jenza aranda BetaMax. 2763	Posted - 2014.01.11 18:55:00 - [3] - Quote No. Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
BMSTUBBY KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 609	Posted - 2014.01.11 18:57:00 - [4] - Quote I had hot oatmeal for breakfast this morning. Meh, F2P Lobby Shooter BattleDuty 514 Working as intended.
Rifter7 Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 319	Posted - 2014.01.11 18:59:00 - [5] - Quote hmm.. maybe when the patch is ready to roll out theyll make mention of it.. it would be nice to have something solid to prove or disprove it, tho.
R F Gyro Clones 4u 993	Posted - 2014.01.11 19:05:00 - [6] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: No. Are you sure? I thought I read a bluetag post back around the time of Eve Vegas saying they were considering it. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Spectre-M The Generals General Tso's Alliance 208	Posted - 2014.01.11 19:07:00 - [7] - Quote If the skill tree is altered, then yes. People say respecs devalue the choices they make, but sweeping umbrella changes also devalue the choices they make. When the tank skill tree was modified, those skill points were refunded. Same should go for any skill tree. People can only make choices based on what's available. It's unreasonable to save millions of sp because the missing suit / weapons you want will be out SOONtm. If a respec comes, I will only be using it on core upgrades, saving the rest and running militia. More than a "No" would be nice. Amarr Factional Warfare Loyalist Minnmatar in Amarr Armor I am a Wolf in Sheeps Clothing
Criteria Shipment Blood Unit 13 Zero-Day 715	Posted - 2014.01.11 19:07:00 - [8] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: jenza aranda wrote: No. Are you sure? I thought I read a bluetag post back around the time of Eve Vegas saying they were considering it. They're trying to trick you. Goodbye, world! (püú-ÿ+í-ÿ-é)
Eberk Baldek Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 7	Posted - 2014.01.11 19:08:00 - [9] - Quote Wishful thinking . . .
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1536	Posted - 2014.01.11 19:15:00 - [10] - Quote Rifter7 wrote: so ive been seeing mention of a respec coming up with 1.8 .. people planning what to skill into and such in different channels- but i cant find any mention of it... at least on the forums. maybe it was mentioned in irc. has ccp mentioned it at all? maybe they should, i cant seem to find it in dev search.. CCP hasn't said anything about this. People just looked into their crystal balls, saw Dropsuit changes and instantly assumed this equals getting all of these changes and respecs in 1.8 Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9898	Posted - 2014.01.11 19:16:00 - [11] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: No. I guess the CPM isn't all on the same page then Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
Rifter7 Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 319	Posted - 2014.01.11 19:20:00 - [12] - Quote well thats the thing ive got people saying they would give a respec, but theres no mention of a yes or no from ccp. if they made vast changes to the suits how would it be different than the vehicle changes? if they change the skills its a go but if they fundamentally change the suits and leave the skills its not? idk it just seems hard to go off the vehicle respec for an answer.
Sirys Lyons Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 18	Posted - 2014.01.11 19:47:00 - [13] - Quote I asked a question similar to this a short while ago. I hadn't played in a long time, logged in, and saw millions of available SP - way more than the passive SP would have generated. Turns out, because I had heavily invested in the vehicle skill trees, I got that SP back. But I didn't get it back because CCP reworked the vehicles - I got it back because they reworked the vehicle skill trees. And they did that to model the dropsuit skill trees, which they obviously felt were better. So, as I see it...a total respect? I'd love it. Honestly, I think it would be fun to give everyone a fresh start now that the game is so different than it was a year ago. After all, Dust is about making decisions and choices, but when the choice you make can change after you choose...it's not much of a choice, but more of a gamble. But I really don't think we'll get one just because racial suits are dropping. But I wish we would. A partial SP refund? Only if CCP makes major changes to skill trees somewhere, and those changes directly affect you. It works the same as in EVE - if a skill gets removed, or a skill tree reorganized, you generally get some SP back. Last major memory of this was when the 'Learning' skills were removed.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 992	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:07:00 - [14] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: No. Yes, NO. I have seen some of your fellow CPM peoples saying they're pushing for respec. I hope that not all of you on the CPM are equally committed to the mission to destroy DUST?
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 106	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:09:00 - [15] - Quote As much as I'd love a respec to recover wasted SP, it would do more harm than good because the only thing that would happen is players taking those points and skilling into whatever the FoTM is when the next update arrives.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9898	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:10:00 - [16] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: jenza aranda wrote: No. Yes, NO. I have seen some of your fellow CPM peoples saying they're pushing for respec. I hope that not all of you on the CPM are equally committed to the mission to destroy DUST? Destroying DUST lmfao Drama queen Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
xxwhitedevilxx M Ave atque Vale. 1460	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:10:00 - [17] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: No. Why not? Tank 514.
G Torq ALTA B2O 364	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:16:00 - [18] - Quote Rifter7 wrote: so ive been seeing mention of a respec coming up with 1.8 .. people planning what to skill into and such in different channels- but i cant find any mention of it... at least on the forums. maybe it was mentioned in irc. has ccp mentioned it at all? maybe they should, i cant seem to find it in dev search.. They are not removing any skills that I'm aware of - no respecs required. Note: The recent change to the Vehicle Skill trees removed skills, and triggered a refund of skill points. Team Fairy DUST HTTP://Dust.Thang.DK/ - DUST514 Fitting Tool based on DUST SDE
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 994	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:18:00 - [19] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Destroying DUST lmfao Drama queen /me looks at his corp name... Oh yeah, it's because I'm a drama queen that I say that, not the fact that I've got a long-term outlook on things from my time playing that other game. Earn those points if you want the new suit (the journey, not the destination, right?) instead of assuming you deserve a respec twice a year. If there is any change in the SP requirements of the dropsuit skills, then CCP should just give us the difference back. Just like the learning skills I had all to level V 2 year in.
Artificer Ghost Bojo's School of the Trades 972	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:22:00 - [20] - Quote I honestly think that, with the coming of new roles and suits and equipment, there should be one FINAL respec for Dropsuit Command, Upgrades, and (maybe) Weaponry. Because some people built their upgrades and weapons to compliment their class, and their class might be changing in the next patch. However, it stops there for me. If people want to skill into FoTM, they can do that. But when it gets nerfed, I want no crying about how you "ruined their playstyle" and all that. From the point they have the roles and racial suits out forward, they should just give us new content that we skill into. However, a change this big and this scary deserves some kind of skill refunding. ~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition

T'orq DUST University Ivy League 115	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:22:00 - [21] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: jenza aranda wrote: No. Yes, NO. I have seen some of your fellow CPM peoples saying they're pushing for respec. I hope that not all of you on the CPM are equally committed to the mission to destroy DUST? Destroying DUST? Most RPG games I know of have some sort of respec system, WoW, Mass Effect 3, Borderlands1&2. Those are awesome games, and you think by giving respecs in DUST will ruin the game. I disagree with you. Thanjac- Proud Member of Commando 6 Commando Lives
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 994	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:33:00 - [22] - Quote T'orq wrote: Destroying DUST? Most RPG games I know of have some sort of respec system, WoW, Mass Effect 3, Borderlands1&2. Those are awesome games, and you think by giving respecs in DUST will ruin the game. I disagree with you. And the only MMO RPG game that has been running for 10 years that has managed to keep a good progression for both newbie and veteran players is... TADA!!!! EVE ONLINE Those games you mention are either ****** (WoW), or not particularly relevant nor long-running. Respec-entitlement will only lead this game to the abyss of power-creep. Second Decade Collectors Editions, I plan on getting the Third. Are you?
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9900	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:44:00 - [23] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: T'orq wrote: Destroying DUST? Most RPG games I know of have some sort of respec system, WoW, Mass Effect 3, Borderlands1&2. Those are awesome games, and you think by giving respecs in DUST will ruin the game. I disagree with you. And the only MMO RPG game that has been running for 10 years that has managed to keep a good progression for both newbie and veteran players is... TADA!!!! EVE ONLINE Those games you mention are either ****** (WoW), or not particularly relevant nor long-running. Respec-entitlement will only lead this game to the abyss of power-creep. Second Decade Collectors Editions, I plan on getting the Third. Are you? EVE you don't have to fight other people every time you log on. You can explore, trade, haul stuff, do planetary interaction, scam people, mine, make stuff for people, etc etc. Your SP is directly related to how long you've had your account. You don't even have to pay for your subscription. In DUST, you can fight other people. At best, you rep people as a "pacifist", but it doesn't change that the only thing DUST offers is PvP matches. SP is directly related to both time in game, and real world $$ that you've payed. Your skills are very limited in scope, instead of unlocking multipe ships and playstyles, you unlock a few extra % in your chosen role. Different games are different. When big sweeping changes come through in an FPS game like this that markets SP to people, you refund their SP. It's not just good for keeping people playing, it's just a good business move. Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 994	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:47:00 - [24] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: EVE you don't have to fight other people every time you log on. You can explore, trade, haul stuff, do planetary interaction, scam people, mine, make stuff for people, etc etc. Your SP is directly related to how long you've had your account. You don't even have to pay for your subscription. Completely irrelevant to the issue of respec.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4723	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:48:00 - [25] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: jenza aranda wrote: No. Yes, NO. I have seen some of your fellow CPM peoples saying they're pushing for respec. I hope that not all of you on the CPM are equally committed to the mission to destroy DUST? I hope you realize that no one here is pushing for a respec system, they are simply pushing for a respec to the appropriately related skills for when CCP makes major changes to the designed function of certain items. In this case, just an infantry respec. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Sirys Lyons Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 20	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:49:00 - [26] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: T'orq wrote: Destroying DUST? Most RPG games I know of have some sort of respec system, WoW, Mass Effect 3, Borderlands1&2. Those are awesome games, and you think by giving respecs in DUST will ruin the game. I disagree with you. And the only MMO RPG game that has been running for 10 years that has managed to keep a good progression for both newbie and veteran players is... TADA!!!! EVE ONLINE Those games you mention are either ****** (WoW), or not particularly relevant nor long-running. Respec-entitlement will only lead this game to the abyss of power-creep. Second Decade Collectors Editions, I plan on getting the Third. Are you? The point could be made, however, that despite being a "launched" title, there are substantial additions and changes being made to DUST that are far more indicative of a "Beta" status, rather than 'Expansions' or 'Iterative Releases'. They are still figuring out how to make the game work. I'm not advocating for constant (or even frequent) respecs, but merely the possibility to alter one's skill directions when major content changes come around. This happened within the Beta period a number of times, and I frankly don't see it being a big problem here and now, when the game has yet to achieve very solid and stable feel - the ground is still shifting in major ways beneath our feet. If there is no respec in the future, the best decision is not to spend SP. Because we don't know how anything will balance out in 6mo. Imagine if in EvE, battleships might be slow, expensive, devastators of the battlefields or they might be quick, nimble, multi-player-controlled gun platforms or they might be fast, single weapon sniper rifles. Tanks have been all those things in Dust. And I could see someone who skilled into them for one of those playing styles to very dissappointed when their months of work literally disappears because of "balance" shifts...that still don't fix balance, but do destroy fun.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9902	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:49:00 - [27] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: EVE you don't have to fight other people every time you log on. You can explore, trade, haul stuff, do planetary interaction, scam people, mine, make stuff for people, etc etc. Your SP is directly related to how long you've had your account. You don't even have to pay for your subscription. Completely irrelevant to the issue of respec. Completely relevant. Different games are different, and have to be approached differently. Twisting around how the roles play directly effects every single thing you do in game. Forcing people to stick with things that they did not choose is bad business, especially when many people payed to get where they are. Believe it or not, you don't start the game with 10+ million SP. You had to actually ::gasp:: earn it. Wow. Such shock Many surprise Very logic Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
Sirys Lyons Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 20	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:49:00 - [28] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: T'orq wrote: Destroying DUST? Most RPG games I know of have some sort of respec system, WoW, Mass Effect 3, Borderlands1&2. Those are awesome games, and you think by giving respecs in DUST will ruin the game. I disagree with you. And the only MMO RPG game that has been running for 10 years that has managed to keep a good progression for both newbie and veteran players is... TADA!!!! EVE ONLINE Those games you mention are either ****** (WoW), or not particularly relevant nor long-running. Respec-entitlement will only lead this game to the abyss of power-creep. Second Decade Collectors Editions, I plan on getting the Third. Are you? The point could be made, however, that despite being a "launched" title, there are substantial additions and changes being made to DUST that are far more indicative of a "Beta" status, rather than 'Expansions' or 'Iterative Releases'. They are still figuring out how to make the game work on a fundamental typically pre-release level. I'm not advocating for constant (or even frequent) respecs, but merely the possibility to alter one's skill directions when major content changes come around. This happened within the Beta period a number of times, and I frankly don't see it being a big problem here and now, when the game has yet to achieve very solid and stable feel - the ground is still shifting in major ways beneath our feet. If there is no respec in the future, the best decision is not to spend SP. Because we don't know how anything will balance out in 6mo. Imagine if in EvE, battleships might be slow, expensive, devastators of the battlefields or they might be quick, nimble, multi-player-controlled gun platforms or they might be fast, single weapon sniper rifles. Tanks have been all those things in Dust. And I could see someone who skilled into them for one of those playing styles to very dissappointed when their months of work literally disappears because of "balance" shifts...that still don't fix balance, but do destroy fun.
jin foxdale Jedi Slime. 152	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:58:00 - [29] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: EVE you don't have to fight other people every time you log on. You can explore, trade, haul stuff, do planetary interaction, scam people, mine, make stuff for people, etc etc. Your SP is directly related to how long you've had your account. You don't even have to pay for your subscription. Completely irrelevant to the issue of respec. If you see me in the redline, driving an LAV in circles, fear not! Its my two year old son enjoying New Eden.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 996	Posted - 2014.01.11 21:01:00 - [30] - Quote Sirys Lyons wrote: The point could be made, however, that despite being a "launched" title, there are substantial additions and changes being made to DUST that are far more indicative of a "Beta" status, rather than 'Expansions' or 'Iterative Releases'. They are still figuring out how to make the game work. The point could be made that the logi-assault FOTM players have already had the benefits of the SP they put into those dropsuits, and when the nerf-hammer finally falls they have had a good run. Now the suggestion is that they do not pay the usual dues of FOTM chasing, that is to say having SP invested in skills they don't need in the next FOTM they decide to chase. Now there will always be new stuff to skill into that CCP didn't get around to adding the first time around, or changes that some people will see as 'game-breaking' for their special brand of playstyle... Yet why the respec fetish, are you so upset that you can't reshuffle all your SP into this season's FOTM that you are willing to destroy the long-term prospects of DUST? (And no, I'm not just suggesting the death of DUST as a drama thing, It is actually based on long-term observation of various skill systems)

Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 996	Posted - 2014.01.11 21:04:00 - [31] - Quote jin foxdale wrote: Rasatsu wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: EVE you don't have to fight other people every time you log on. You can explore, trade, haul stuff, do planetary interaction, scam people, mine, make stuff for people, etc etc. Your SP is directly related to how long you've had your account. You don't even have to pay for your subscription. Completely irrelevant to the issue of respec. Accrual of SP is not relevant to the usage of SP over a decade or more. Derp.
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1488	Posted - 2014.01.11 21:10:00 - [32] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: No. Unless CCP has told you directly that they won't do a respec this answer seems weird. Given that no other CPMs nor CCP themself have said absolutely "no", I don't see how how you can simply state this. It might just be that your personal opinion is there shouldn't be any respec, but that wasn't the question. "There's talks about it between the CPM and CCP" would be a more appropriate response, or at least that's what the other CPM members says about a possible respec in 1.8. A flat out "no" is a pretty official response and would indicate a final stance on the matter, which isn't the case from what I can gather about this. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers!
jenza aranda BetaMax. 2769	Posted - 2014.01.11 21:15:00 - [33] - Quote oh grow up bendtner and stop reading to far into a two letter responce. I simply meant that the general rule for every rumor is that unless that there is a official post the answer is no. Hell there is no official word that the new suits are going into 1.8, just wild speculation. Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
Rusty Shallows 784	Posted - 2014.01.11 21:16:00 - [34] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: T'orq wrote: Destroying DUST? Most RPG games I know of have some sort of respec system, WoW, Mass Effect 3, Borderlands1&2. Those are awesome games, and you think by giving respecs in DUST will ruin the game. I disagree with you. And the only MMO RPG game that has been running for 10 years that has managed to keep a good progression for both newbie and veteran players is... TADA!!!! EVE ONLINE Those games you mention are either ****** (WoW), or not particularly relevant nor long-running. Respec-entitlement will only lead this game to the abyss of power-creep. Second Decade Collectors Editions, I plan on getting the Third. Are you? Enjoying that breathing-entitlement or posting-entitlement? When vehicle/turret skills changed were people entitled to get those SP back? In any case you are entitled to your opinion Rasatsu. MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1488	Posted - 2014.01.11 21:22:00 - [35] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: oh grow up bendtner and stop reading to far into a two letter responce. I simply meant that the general rule for every rumor is that unless that there is a official post the answer is no. Hell there is no official word that the new suits are going into 1.8, just wild speculation. I'm just saying that I think it would be better if your answer had been that there's talks about it between the CPM and CCP, and that the CPM (most of at least) are pushing some form of respec, rather than saying flat out no. Don't take it as a personal attack. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers!
Sirys Lyons Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 22	Posted - 2014.01.11 21:27:00 - [36] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: Sirys Lyons wrote: The point could be made, however, that despite being a "launched" title, there are substantial additions and changes being made to DUST that are far more indicative of a "Beta" status, rather than 'Expansions' or 'Iterative Releases'. They are still figuring out how to make the game work. The point could be made that the logi-assault FOTM players have already had the benefits of the SP they put into those dropsuits, and when the nerf-hammer finally falls they have had a good run. Now the suggestion is that they do not pay the usual dues of FOTM chasing, that is to say having SP invested in skills they don't need in the next FOTM they decide to chase. Now there will always be new stuff to skill into that CCP didn't get around to adding the first time around, or changes that some people will see as 'game-breaking' for their special brand of playstyle... Yet why the respec fetish, are you so upset that you can't reshuffle all your SP into this season's FOTM that you are willing to destroy the long-term prospects of DUST? (And no, I'm not just suggesting the death of DUST as a drama thing, It is actually based on long-term observation of various skill systems) The suggestion is that, until the game is in a stable place where there are no more huge play-style changing nerfs/buffs/additions happening in a mad rush to balance the game, we all chill out. It's no secret that the "balance" of Dust is swinging like a pendulum - on update these things are way OP, the next those are. And now we are adding in lots of new weapons and suits. My thought is to let players have their SP back occasionally. Why? 1. Some people are stuck in SP situations that no longer fit their play-style because of gear nerfs/buffs that don't necessarily reflect great or lesser killing ability, but just don't make the role as fun anymore. 2. The new content (suits, weapons, mods) would get a thorough vetting if people could skill into them immediately. 3. It allows people who may be tired of the game and are already heavily invested a way to explore a new path without reverting to the pain of MLT-fitting-continuous-death in that speciality, or simply logging on for the bonus but not actually playing for 6 months their passive SP bumps up. Which, lets face it - are terrible options for someone already on the fence. In fact...reason 3 sounds a bit like the 'Neural Remap' that is in EvE. Tired of training combat skills and want to get into business? Remap, and those new skills (and that new play experience) come much more quickly.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 996	Posted - 2014.01.11 21:39:00 - [37] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Enjoying that breathing-entitlement or posting-entitlement? When vehicle/turret skills changed were people entitled to get those SP back? In any case you are entitled to your opinion Rasatsu. No, we were not entitled to get those back, CCP should have only refunded SP from skills removed. As a HAV skilled main, I advocated the above as I know I can always skill into assault if needed, however I can't fix the player-base if respecs become an expected thing. (that will destroy the longevity of the game)
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 852	Posted - 2014.01.11 21:40:00 - [38] - Quote As someone who would spec into the same crap he had, a respec would be more than fine if they had one with the new suit stats and bonuses. It's not about stupid-people who specced into logis to get the "slayer" advantage but about players who went into a suit because of a specific role and possibly have to change. Some people wanted to have max DPS and had to go into Assaults(which seemed logical) but if Commandos get the max DPS, players will want to go into Commandos(although it's a specialized role >.>). Some people got into a specific logi suit just for the stats but now with the bonuses, they might want to spec into Caldari if they love nanohives and injectors or Minmatar for the reps or Gallente for the scans. People who went into assaults because the scouts weren't up to par and now that the scouts are getting just a little bit of love, they would want to change. People who got out of heavies because they didn't have their racial variant or actually because they were nerfed, would want to go into them now. I could go on and on and on. Just a respec for dropsuit related skills. Nothing too much. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
BMSTUBBY KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 612	Posted - 2014.01.11 21:41:00 - [39] - Quote I had a grilled cheese sandwich and tomato soup for lunch. Meh, F2P Lobby Shooter BattleDuty 514 Working as intended.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 996	Posted - 2014.01.11 21:44:00 - [40] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: Just a respec for dropsuit related skills. Nothing too much. As a wise man once said, sometimes you want grilled cheese sandwich but if that gets nerfed you want the tomato soup.

Sirys Lyons Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 24	Posted - 2014.01.11 21:46:00 - [41] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: As someone who would spec into the same crap he had, a respec would be more than fine if they had one with the new suit stats and bonuses. It's not about stupid-people who specced into logis to get the "slayer" advantage but about players who went into a suit because of a specific role and possibly have to change. Some people wanted to have max DPS and had to go into Assaults(which seemed logical) but if Commandos get the max DPS, players will want to go into Commandos(although it's a specialized role >.>). Some people got into a specific logi suit just for the stats but now with the bonuses, they might want to spec into Caldari if they love nanohives and injectors or Minmatar for the reps or Gallente for the scans. People who went into assaults because the scouts weren't up to par and now that the scouts are getting just a little bit of love, they would want to change. People who got out of heavies because they didn't have their racial variant or actually because they were nerfed, would want to go into them now. I could go on and on and on. Just a respec for dropsuit related skills. Nothing too much. Agreed. Maybe one a year. But as it is, there are so many substantial changes happening that it might make the game more fun if players were given the freedom to re-select their destiny, now that their destiny may have changed. Want to save the respec? Sure, do it. Want to use it, and spec back into the exact same thing because you are super hardcore and want the challenge? Sure, do it. The choice is yours...I just want to make a choice when most of the options are actually in front of me, and no-one is going to turn around and say "Oh, sorry about your LV5 in [insert skill here]. That [weapon/module/suit] is now [absolutely god awful / now going to play very differently than you thought]."
Sirys Lyons Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 24	Posted - 2014.01.11 21:48:00 - [42] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Just a respec for dropsuit related skills. Nothing too much. As a wise man once said, sometimes you want grilled cheese sandwich but if that gets nerfed you want the tomato soup. Unless, of course, shortly after being delivered your grilled cheese, it turns into a ham sandwich. Point in case.
Marc Rime 217	Posted - 2014.01.11 21:51:00 - [43] - Quote T'orq wrote: Destroying DUST? Most RPG games I know of have some sort of respec system, WoW, Mass Effect 3, Borderlands1&2. Those are awesome games, and you think by giving respecs in DUST will ruin the game. I disagree with you. Most RPGs, including those, have a max level. Big difference. ...ofc, dust has extremely slow progression and massive SP sinks.
BMSTUBBY KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 614	Posted - 2014.01.11 21:54:00 - [44] - Quote Sirys Lyons wrote: Rasatsu wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Just a respec for dropsuit related skills. Nothing too much. As a wise man once said, sometimes you want grilled cheese sandwich but if that gets nerfed you want the tomato soup. Unless, of course, shortly after being delivered your grilled cheese, it turns into a ham sandwich. Point in case. I am not sure what is for dinner yet. Meh, F2P Lobby Shooter BattleDuty 514 Working as intended.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1539	Posted - 2014.01.11 22:04:00 - [45] - Quote T'orq wrote: Rasatsu wrote: jenza aranda wrote: No. Yes, NO. I have seen some of your fellow CPM peoples saying they're pushing for respec. I hope that not all of you on the CPM are equally committed to the mission to destroy DUST? Destroying DUST? Most RPG games I know of have some sort of respec system, WoW, Mass Effect 3, Borderlands1&2. Those are awesome games, and you think by giving respecs in DUST will ruin the game. I disagree with you. You don't understand the difference. Yeah, these games have Respec systems. But then again: These games don't allow you to get unlimited skillpoints. So a comparison to these games is extremely bad. It's no that hard waiting a single month to spec into new skills. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
Ghermard-ol Dizeriois Maphia Clan Corporation 67	Posted - 2014.01.11 22:08:00 - [46] - Quote Everybody here is talking about new suits, but nobody mentioned NEW secondary weapons (Magsec SMG & Bolt Pistol). Is the RESPEC mandatory? Absolutely not. Should it be given? Common sense says if you completely / widely change game mechanics; CCP is about not to simply adjust HP of 1~2 armors, they're about to add 10 new armors, 2 new weapons, a totally new equipment (Cloack device) and a whole change of Personal skills. Just like with new tanks, CCP gave back the SP everybody spent on vehicles, so the most reasonable thing to do is to offer a RESPEC at least for the ARMOR branch. If they don't... ok, they'll handle everyone raging here! If you are an hacker, a cheater o a glitcher, you deserve death. In real life.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 878	Posted - 2014.01.11 22:14:00 - [47] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: jenza aranda wrote: No. Why not? Because. {:)}{3GÇó> Please help me save the Gal scout!: linky
Sky Kage Immortal Guides 631	Posted - 2014.01.11 22:17:00 - [48] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: Most likely going to be a refund for all dropsuit related skills. So Dropsuit Core Upgrades, and the Dropsuit skills themselves. sweet, i'll have 6m sp to dabble with. I die alot AND have fun... Who knew? a¦á_a¦á
Sirys Lyons Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 24	Posted - 2014.01.11 22:34:00 - [49] - Quote Ghermard-ol Dizeriois wrote: Just like with new tanks, CCP gave back the SP everybody spent on vehicles, so the most reasonable thing to do is to offer a RESPEC at least for the ARMOR branch. If they don't... ok, they'll handle everyone raging here! As much as I support ocassional respecs, there is something very important to understand here. CCP gave the refund for vehicle skills because they rebuilt the vehicle skill trees - they completely altered them, so there was no way for them to "reapply" the SP people had already spent. They did not give the refund because of changes to the vehicles themselves. (Personally, changing core gameplay for a group of players...good reason for respec.)
Sirys Lyons Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 30	Posted - 2014.01.11 23:05:00 - [50] - Quote BMSTUBBY wrote: Sirys Lyons wrote: Rasatsu wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Just a respec for dropsuit related skills. Nothing too much. As a wise man once said, sometimes you want grilled cheese sandwich but if that gets nerfed you want the tomato soup. Unless, of course, shortly after being delivered your grilled cheese, it turns into a ham sandwich. Point in case. I am not sure what is for dinner yet. It really is hard to say.

Ghermard-ol Dizeriois Maphia Clan Corporation 67	Posted - 2014.01.11 23:13:00 - [51] - Quote Sirys Lyons wrote: As much as I support ocassional respecs, there is something very important to understand here. CCP gave the refund for vehicle skills because they rebuilt the vehicle skill trees - they completely altered them, so there was no way for them to "reapply" the SP people had already spent. They did not give the refund because of changes to the vehicles themselves. (Personally, changing core gameplay for a group of players...good reason for respec.) That's why I mentioned Logi suits,bonuses as well as all the other suits' ones: it seems everyone who spent SP into the Minmatar Logi did it only for the hacking bonus, and most likely the same was done for all the other armors. As for the heavy armors, I had to skill the Amarr one only because there were no others available at that time, and I think many did the same with both HVY Amarr or a Recon Gallente / Minmatar, just because the Caldari and Gallente were not available. Oh, I almost forgot: there are many RCN Gallente raging against new stats because even their super-stealth PRO recon won't be able to hide against a good Logi Gallente. Since you invested > 1 MLN SP there, I wouldn't be happy to know that those SP have now become "useless" and I can't do anything about that. Also, as a final note, if you like what you had skilled, you can simply re-place the points where they used to be. No big wuss! If you are an hacker, a cheater o a glitcher, you deserve death. In real life.
BMSTUBBY KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 615	Posted - 2014.01.12 13:47:00 - [52] - Quote Okay so I had pork loin, egg noodle, and steamed mixed vegetables for dinner. Now I am thinking about having eggs and grits for breakfast this morning. Meh, F2P Lobby Shooter BattleDuty 514 Working as intended.
Rifter7 Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 324	Posted - 2014.01.18 17:54:00 - [53] - Quote it's getting worse. more and more people are assuming and even planning for a respec. the most common thing heard is that the skills and suits are all being changed too much to not have a respec- referencing things like the minmatar logi and scout. is there still no word on this?
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4067	Posted - 2014.01.18 17:58:00 - [54] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: jenza aranda wrote: No. I guess the CPM isn't all on the same page then qft


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