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Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
996
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Posted - 2014.01.11 21:04:00 -
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jin foxdale wrote:Rasatsu wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:EVE you don't have to fight other people every time you log on. You can explore, trade, haul stuff, do planetary interaction, scam people, mine, make stuff for people, etc etc. Your SP is directly related to how long you've had your account. You don't even have to pay for your subscription. Completely irrelevant to the issue of respec. Accrual of SP is not relevant to the usage of SP over a decade or more. Derp. |
Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1488
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Posted - 2014.01.11 21:10:00 -
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Unless CCP has told you directly that they won't do a respec this answer seems weird. Given that no other CPMs nor CCP themself have said absolutely "no", I don't see how how you can simply state this.
It might just be that your personal opinion is there shouldn't be any respec, but that wasn't the question. "There's talks about it between the CPM and CCP" would be a more appropriate response, or at least that's what the other CPM members says about a possible respec in 1.8.
A flat out "no" is a pretty official response and would indicate a final stance on the matter, which isn't the case from what I can gather about this.
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jenza aranda
BetaMax.
2769
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Posted - 2014.01.11 21:15:00 -
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oh grow up bendtner and stop reading to far into a two letter responce. I simply meant that the general rule for every rumor is that unless that there is a official post the answer is no. Hell there is no official word that the new suits are going into 1.8, just wild speculation.
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Rusty Shallows
784
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Posted - 2014.01.11 21:16:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:T'orq wrote:Destroying DUST? Most RPG games I know of have some sort of respec system, WoW, Mass Effect 3, Borderlands1&2. Those are awesome games, and you think by giving respecs in DUST will ruin the game. I disagree with you. And the only MMO RPG game that has been running for 10 years that has managed to keep a good progression for both newbie and veteran players is... TADA!!!! EVE ONLINE Those games you mention are either ****** (WoW), or not particularly relevant nor long-running. Respec-entitlement will only lead this game to the abyss of power-creep. Second Decade Collectors Editions, I plan on getting the Third. Are you? Enjoying that breathing-entitlement or posting-entitlement? When vehicle/turret skills changed were people entitled to get those SP back? In any case you are entitled to your opinion Rasatsu.
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Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1488
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Posted - 2014.01.11 21:22:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:oh grow up bendtner and stop reading to far into a two letter responce. I simply meant that the general rule for every rumor is that unless that there is a official post the answer is no. Hell there is no official word that the new suits are going into 1.8, just wild speculation. I'm just saying that I think it would be better if your answer had been that there's talks about it between the CPM and CCP, and that the CPM (most of at least) are pushing some form of respec, rather than saying flat out no.
Don't take it as a personal attack.
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Sirys Lyons
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2014.01.11 21:27:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:Sirys Lyons wrote:The point could be made, however, that despite being a "launched" title, there are substantial additions and changes being made to DUST that are far more indicative of a "Beta" status, rather than 'Expansions' or 'Iterative Releases'. They are still figuring out how to make the game work. The point could be made that the logi-assault FOTM players have already had the benefits of the SP they put into those dropsuits, and when the nerf-hammer finally falls they have had a good run. Now the suggestion is that they do not pay the usual dues of FOTM chasing, that is to say having SP invested in skills they don't need in the next FOTM they decide to chase. Now there will always be new *stuff* to skill into that CCP didn't get around to adding the first time around, or changes that some people will see as 'game-breaking' for their special brand of playstyle... Yet why the respec fetish, are you so upset that you can't reshuffle all your SP into this season's FOTM that you are willing to destroy the long-term prospects of DUST? (And no, I'm not just suggesting the death of DUST as a drama thing, It is actually based on long-term observation of various skill systems)
The suggestion is that, until the game is in a stable place where there are no more huge play-style changing nerfs/buffs/additions happening in a mad rush to balance the game, we all chill out. It's no secret that the "balance" of Dust is swinging like a pendulum - on update these things are way OP, the next those are. And now we are adding in lots of new weapons and suits. My thought is to let players have their SP back occasionally. Why?
1. Some people are stuck in SP situations that no longer fit their play-style because of gear nerfs/buffs that don't necessarily reflect great or lesser killing ability, but just don't make the role as fun anymore. 2. The new content (suits, weapons, mods) would get a thorough vetting if people could skill into them immediately. 3. It allows people who may be tired of the game and are already heavily invested a way to explore a new path without reverting to the pain of MLT-fitting-continuous-death in that speciality, or simply logging on for the bonus but not actually playing for 6 months their passive SP bumps up. Which, lets face it - are terrible options for someone already on the fence.
In fact...reason 3 sounds a bit like the 'Neural Remap' that is in EvE. Tired of training combat skills and want to get into business? Remap, and those new skills (and that new play experience) come much more quickly. |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
996
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Posted - 2014.01.11 21:39:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:Enjoying that breathing-entitlement or posting-entitlement? When vehicle/turret skills changed were people entitled to get those SP back? In any case you are entitled to your opinion Rasatsu. No, we were not entitled to get those back, CCP should have only refunded SP from skills removed.
As a HAV skilled main, I advocated the above as I know I can always skill into assault if needed, however I can't fix the player-base if respecs become an expected thing. (that will destroy the longevity of the game) |
Roy Ventus
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
852
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Posted - 2014.01.11 21:40:00 -
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As someone who would spec into the same crap he had, a respec would be more than fine if they had one with the new suit stats and bonuses.
It's not about stupid-people who specced into logis to get the "slayer" advantage but about players who went into a suit because of a specific role and possibly have to change.
Some people wanted to have max DPS and had to go into Assaults(which seemed logical) but if Commandos get the max DPS, players will want to go into Commandos(although it's a specialized role >.>).
Some people got into a specific logi suit just for the stats but now with the bonuses, they might want to spec into Caldari if they love nanohives and injectors or Minmatar for the reps or Gallente for the scans.
People who went into assaults because the scouts weren't up to par and now that the scouts are getting just a little bit of love, they would want to change.
People who got out of heavies because they didn't have their racial variant or actually because they were nerfed, would want to go into them now.
I could go on and on and on.
Just a respec for dropsuit related skills. Nothing too much.
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BMSTUBBY
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
612
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Posted - 2014.01.11 21:41:00 -
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I had a grilled cheese sandwich and tomato soup for lunch.
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Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
996
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Posted - 2014.01.11 21:44:00 -
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Roy Ventus wrote:Just a respec for dropsuit related skills. Nothing too much. As a wise man once said, sometimes you want grilled cheese sandwich but if that gets nerfed you want the tomato soup. |
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Sirys Lyons
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
24
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Posted - 2014.01.11 21:46:00 -
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Roy Ventus wrote:As someone who would spec into the same crap he had, a respec would be more than fine if they had one with the new suit stats and bonuses. It's not about stupid-people who specced into logis to get the "slayer" advantage but about players who went into a suit because of a specific role and possibly have to change. Some people wanted to have max DPS and had to go into Assaults(which seemed logical) but if Commandos get the max DPS, players will want to go into Commandos(although it's a specialized role >.>). Some people got into a specific logi suit just for the stats but now with the bonuses, they might want to spec into Caldari if they love nanohives and injectors or Minmatar for the reps or Gallente for the scans. People who went into assaults because the scouts weren't up to par and now that the scouts are getting just a little bit of love, they would want to change. People who got out of heavies because they didn't have their racial variant or actually because they were nerfed, would want to go into them now. I could go on and on and on. Just a respec for dropsuit related skills. Nothing too much.
Agreed. Maybe one a year. But as it is, there are so many substantial changes happening that it might make the game more fun if players were given the freedom to re-select their destiny, now that their destiny may have changed. Want to save the respec? Sure, do it. Want to use it, and spec back into the exact same thing because you are super hardcore and want the challenge? Sure, do it. The choice is yours...I just want to make a choice when most of the options are actually in front of me, and no-one is going to turn around and say "Oh, sorry about your LV5 in [insert skill here]. That [weapon/module/suit] is now [absolutely god awful / now going to play very differently than you thought]." |
Sirys Lyons
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
24
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Posted - 2014.01.11 21:48:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:Just a respec for dropsuit related skills. Nothing too much. As a wise man once said, sometimes you want grilled cheese sandwich but if that gets nerfed you want the tomato soup.
Unless, of course, shortly after being delivered your grilled cheese, it turns into a ham sandwich. Point in case. |
Marc Rime
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Posted - 2014.01.11 21:51:00 -
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T'orq wrote:Destroying DUST? Most RPG games I know of have some sort of respec system, WoW, Mass Effect 3, Borderlands1&2. Those are awesome games, and you think by giving respecs in DUST will ruin the game. I disagree with you. Most RPGs, including those, have a max level. Big difference.
...ofc, dust has extremely slow progression and massive SP sinks. |
BMSTUBBY
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
614
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Posted - 2014.01.11 21:54:00 -
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Sirys Lyons wrote:Rasatsu wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:Just a respec for dropsuit related skills. Nothing too much. As a wise man once said, sometimes you want grilled cheese sandwich but if that gets nerfed you want the tomato soup. Unless, of course, shortly after being delivered your grilled cheese, it turns into a ham sandwich. Point in case. I am not sure what is for dinner yet.
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Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1539
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Posted - 2014.01.11 22:04:00 -
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T'orq wrote:Rasatsu wrote:Yes, NO. I have seen some of your fellow CPM peoples saying they're pushing for respec. I hope that not all of you on the CPM are equally committed to the mission to destroy DUST? Destroying DUST? Most RPG games I know of have some sort of respec system, WoW, Mass Effect 3, Borderlands1&2. Those are awesome games, and you think by giving respecs in DUST will ruin the game. I disagree with you.
You don't understand the difference. Yeah, these games have Respec systems. But then again: These games don't allow you to get unlimited skillpoints. So a comparison to these games is extremely bad. It's no that hard waiting a single month to spec into new skills.
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Ghermard-ol Dizeriois
Maphia Clan Corporation
67
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Posted - 2014.01.11 22:08:00 -
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Everybody here is talking about new suits, but nobody mentioned NEW secondary weapons (Magsec SMG & Bolt Pistol).
Is the RESPEC mandatory? Absolutely not. Should it be given? Common sense says if you completely / widely change game mechanics; CCP is about not to simply adjust HP of 1~2 armors, they're about to add 10 new armors, 2 new weapons, a totally new equipment (Cloack device) and a whole change of Personal skills. Just like with new tanks, CCP gave back the SP everybody spent on vehicles, so the most reasonable thing to do is to offer a RESPEC at least for the ARMOR branch.
If they don't... ok, they'll handle everyone raging here!
If you are an hacker, a cheater o a glitcher, you deserve death. In real life.
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
878
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Posted - 2014.01.11 22:14:00 -
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Because.
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Sky Kage
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.01.11 22:17:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:Most likely going to be a refund for all dropsuit related skills.
So Dropsuit Core Upgrades, and the Dropsuit skills themselves. sweet, i'll have 6m sp to dabble with.
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Sirys Lyons
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
24
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Posted - 2014.01.11 22:34:00 -
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Ghermard-ol Dizeriois wrote: Just like with new tanks, CCP gave back the SP everybody spent on vehicles, so the most reasonable thing to do is to offer a RESPEC at least for the ARMOR branch.
If they don't... ok, they'll handle everyone raging here!
As much as I support ocassional respecs, there is something very important to understand here.
CCP gave the refund for vehicle skills because they rebuilt the vehicle skill trees - they completely altered them, so there was no way for them to "reapply" the SP people had already spent. They did not give the refund because of changes to the vehicles themselves.
(Personally, changing core gameplay for a group of players...good reason for respec.) |
Sirys Lyons
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
30
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Posted - 2014.01.11 23:05:00 -
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BMSTUBBY wrote:Sirys Lyons wrote:Rasatsu wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:Just a respec for dropsuit related skills. Nothing too much. As a wise man once said, sometimes you want grilled cheese sandwich but if that gets nerfed you want the tomato soup. Unless, of course, shortly after being delivered your grilled cheese, it turns into a ham sandwich. Point in case. I am not sure what is for dinner yet.
It really is hard to say. |
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Ghermard-ol Dizeriois
Maphia Clan Corporation
67
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Posted - 2014.01.11 23:13:00 -
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Sirys Lyons wrote:As much as I support ocassional respecs, there is something very important to understand here.
CCP gave the refund for vehicle skills because they rebuilt the vehicle skill trees - they completely altered them, so there was no way for them to "reapply" the SP people had already spent. They did not give the refund because of changes to the vehicles themselves.
(Personally, changing core gameplay for a group of players...good reason for respec.)
That's why I mentioned Logi suits,bonuses as well as all the other suits' ones: it seems everyone who spent SP into the Minmatar Logi did it only for the hacking bonus, and most likely the same was done for all the other armors. As for the heavy armors, I had to skill the Amarr one only because there were no others available at that time, and I think many did the same with both HVY Amarr or a Recon Gallente / Minmatar, just because the Caldari and Gallente were not available.
Oh, I almost forgot: there are many RCN Gallente raging against new stats because even their super-stealth PRO recon won't be able to hide against a good Logi Gallente. Since you invested > 1 MLN SP there, I wouldn't be happy to know that those SP have now become "useless" and I can't do anything about that. Also, as a final note, if you like what you had skilled, you can simply re-place the points where they used to be. No big wuss!
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BMSTUBBY
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
615
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Posted - 2014.01.12 13:47:00 -
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Okay so I had pork loin, egg noodle, and steamed mixed vegetables for dinner. Now I am thinking about having eggs and grits for breakfast this morning.
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Rifter7
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
324
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Posted - 2014.01.18 17:54:00 -
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it's getting worse. more and more people are assuming and even planning for a respec. the most common thing heard is that the skills and suits are all being changed too much to not have a respec- referencing things like the minmatar logi and scout.
is there still no word on this? |
Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention
4067
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Posted - 2014.01.18 17:58:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I guess the CPM isn't all on the same page then qft |
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