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Rifter7 Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 319	Posted - 2014.01.11 18:54:00 - [1] - Quote so ive been seeing mention of a respec coming up with 1.8 .. people planning what to skill into and such in different channels- but i cant find any mention of it... at least on the forums. maybe it was mentioned in irc. has ccp mentioned it at all? maybe they should, i cant seem to find it in dev search..
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 4376	Posted - 2014.01.11 18:55:00 - [2] - Quote Most likely going to be a refund for all dropsuit related skills. So Dropsuit Core Upgrades, and the Dropsuit skills themselves. Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars EVE - White Sign Soapstone (Trial for newbs)
jenza aranda BetaMax. 2763	Posted - 2014.01.11 18:55:00 - [3] - Quote No. Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
BMSTUBBY KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 609	Posted - 2014.01.11 18:57:00 - [4] - Quote I had hot oatmeal for breakfast this morning. Meh, F2P Lobby Shooter BattleDuty 514 Working as intended.
Rifter7 Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 319	Posted - 2014.01.11 18:59:00 - [5] - Quote hmm.. maybe when the patch is ready to roll out theyll make mention of it.. it would be nice to have something solid to prove or disprove it, tho.
R F Gyro Clones 4u 993	Posted - 2014.01.11 19:05:00 - [6] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: No. Are you sure? I thought I read a bluetag post back around the time of Eve Vegas saying they were considering it. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Spectre-M The Generals General Tso's Alliance 208	Posted - 2014.01.11 19:07:00 - [7] - Quote If the skill tree is altered, then yes. People say respecs devalue the choices they make, but sweeping umbrella changes also devalue the choices they make. When the tank skill tree was modified, those skill points were refunded. Same should go for any skill tree. People can only make choices based on what's available. It's unreasonable to save millions of sp because the missing suit / weapons you want will be out SOONtm. If a respec comes, I will only be using it on core upgrades, saving the rest and running militia. More than a "No" would be nice. Amarr Factional Warfare Loyalist Minnmatar in Amarr Armor I am a Wolf in Sheeps Clothing
Criteria Shipment Blood Unit 13 Zero-Day 715	Posted - 2014.01.11 19:07:00 - [8] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: jenza aranda wrote: No. Are you sure? I thought I read a bluetag post back around the time of Eve Vegas saying they were considering it. They're trying to trick you. Goodbye, world! (püú-ÿ+í-ÿ-é)
Eberk Baldek Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 7	Posted - 2014.01.11 19:08:00 - [9] - Quote Wishful thinking . . .
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1536	Posted - 2014.01.11 19:15:00 - [10] - Quote Rifter7 wrote: so ive been seeing mention of a respec coming up with 1.8 .. people planning what to skill into and such in different channels- but i cant find any mention of it... at least on the forums. maybe it was mentioned in irc. has ccp mentioned it at all? maybe they should, i cant seem to find it in dev search.. CCP hasn't said anything about this. People just looked into their crystal balls, saw Dropsuit changes and instantly assumed this equals getting all of these changes and respecs in 1.8 Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9898	Posted - 2014.01.11 19:16:00 - [11] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: No. I guess the CPM isn't all on the same page then Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
Rifter7 Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 319	Posted - 2014.01.11 19:20:00 - [12] - Quote well thats the thing ive got people saying they would give a respec, but theres no mention of a yes or no from ccp. if they made vast changes to the suits how would it be different than the vehicle changes? if they change the skills its a go but if they fundamentally change the suits and leave the skills its not? idk it just seems hard to go off the vehicle respec for an answer.
Sirys Lyons Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 18	Posted - 2014.01.11 19:47:00 - [13] - Quote I asked a question similar to this a short while ago. I hadn't played in a long time, logged in, and saw millions of available SP - way more than the passive SP would have generated. Turns out, because I had heavily invested in the vehicle skill trees, I got that SP back. But I didn't get it back because CCP reworked the vehicles - I got it back because they reworked the vehicle skill trees. And they did that to model the dropsuit skill trees, which they obviously felt were better. So, as I see it...a total respect? I'd love it. Honestly, I think it would be fun to give everyone a fresh start now that the game is so different than it was a year ago. After all, Dust is about making decisions and choices, but when the choice you make can change after you choose...it's not much of a choice, but more of a gamble. But I really don't think we'll get one just because racial suits are dropping. But I wish we would. A partial SP refund? Only if CCP makes major changes to skill trees somewhere, and those changes directly affect you. It works the same as in EVE - if a skill gets removed, or a skill tree reorganized, you generally get some SP back. Last major memory of this was when the 'Learning' skills were removed.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 992	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:07:00 - [14] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: No. Yes, NO. I have seen some of your fellow CPM peoples saying they're pushing for respec. I hope that not all of you on the CPM are equally committed to the mission to destroy DUST?
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 106	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:09:00 - [15] - Quote As much as I'd love a respec to recover wasted SP, it would do more harm than good because the only thing that would happen is players taking those points and skilling into whatever the FoTM is when the next update arrives.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9898	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:10:00 - [16] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: jenza aranda wrote: No. Yes, NO. I have seen some of your fellow CPM peoples saying they're pushing for respec. I hope that not all of you on the CPM are equally committed to the mission to destroy DUST? Destroying DUST lmfao Drama queen Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
xxwhitedevilxx M Ave atque Vale. 1460	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:10:00 - [17] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: No. Why not? Tank 514.
G Torq ALTA B2O 364	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:16:00 - [18] - Quote Rifter7 wrote: so ive been seeing mention of a respec coming up with 1.8 .. people planning what to skill into and such in different channels- but i cant find any mention of it... at least on the forums. maybe it was mentioned in irc. has ccp mentioned it at all? maybe they should, i cant seem to find it in dev search.. They are not removing any skills that I'm aware of - no respecs required. Note: The recent change to the Vehicle Skill trees removed skills, and triggered a refund of skill points. Team Fairy DUST HTTP://Dust.Thang.DK/ - DUST514 Fitting Tool based on DUST SDE
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 994	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:18:00 - [19] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Destroying DUST lmfao Drama queen /me looks at his corp name... Oh yeah, it's because I'm a drama queen that I say that, not the fact that I've got a long-term outlook on things from my time playing that other game. Earn those points if you want the new suit (the journey, not the destination, right?) instead of assuming you deserve a respec twice a year. If there is any change in the SP requirements of the dropsuit skills, then CCP should just give us the difference back. Just like the learning skills I had all to level V 2 year in.
Artificer Ghost Bojo's School of the Trades 972	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:22:00 - [20] - Quote I honestly think that, with the coming of new roles and suits and equipment, there should be one FINAL respec for Dropsuit Command, Upgrades, and (maybe) Weaponry. Because some people built their upgrades and weapons to compliment their class, and their class might be changing in the next patch. However, it stops there for me. If people want to skill into FoTM, they can do that. But when it gets nerfed, I want no crying about how you "ruined their playstyle" and all that. From the point they have the roles and racial suits out forward, they should just give us new content that we skill into. However, a change this big and this scary deserves some kind of skill refunding. ~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition

T'orq DUST University Ivy League 115	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:22:00 - [21] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: jenza aranda wrote: No. Yes, NO. I have seen some of your fellow CPM peoples saying they're pushing for respec. I hope that not all of you on the CPM are equally committed to the mission to destroy DUST? Destroying DUST? Most RPG games I know of have some sort of respec system, WoW, Mass Effect 3, Borderlands1&2. Those are awesome games, and you think by giving respecs in DUST will ruin the game. I disagree with you. Thanjac- Proud Member of Commando 6 Commando Lives
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 994	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:33:00 - [22] - Quote T'orq wrote: Destroying DUST? Most RPG games I know of have some sort of respec system, WoW, Mass Effect 3, Borderlands1&2. Those are awesome games, and you think by giving respecs in DUST will ruin the game. I disagree with you. And the only MMO RPG game that has been running for 10 years that has managed to keep a good progression for both newbie and veteran players is... TADA!!!! EVE ONLINE Those games you mention are either ****** (WoW), or not particularly relevant nor long-running. Respec-entitlement will only lead this game to the abyss of power-creep. Second Decade Collectors Editions, I plan on getting the Third. Are you?
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9900	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:44:00 - [23] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: T'orq wrote: Destroying DUST? Most RPG games I know of have some sort of respec system, WoW, Mass Effect 3, Borderlands1&2. Those are awesome games, and you think by giving respecs in DUST will ruin the game. I disagree with you. And the only MMO RPG game that has been running for 10 years that has managed to keep a good progression for both newbie and veteran players is... TADA!!!! EVE ONLINE Those games you mention are either ****** (WoW), or not particularly relevant nor long-running. Respec-entitlement will only lead this game to the abyss of power-creep. Second Decade Collectors Editions, I plan on getting the Third. Are you? EVE you don't have to fight other people every time you log on. You can explore, trade, haul stuff, do planetary interaction, scam people, mine, make stuff for people, etc etc. Your SP is directly related to how long you've had your account. You don't even have to pay for your subscription. In DUST, you can fight other people. At best, you rep people as a "pacifist", but it doesn't change that the only thing DUST offers is PvP matches. SP is directly related to both time in game, and real world $$ that you've payed. Your skills are very limited in scope, instead of unlocking multipe ships and playstyles, you unlock a few extra % in your chosen role. Different games are different. When big sweeping changes come through in an FPS game like this that markets SP to people, you refund their SP. It's not just good for keeping people playing, it's just a good business move. Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 994	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:47:00 - [24] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: EVE you don't have to fight other people every time you log on. You can explore, trade, haul stuff, do planetary interaction, scam people, mine, make stuff for people, etc etc. Your SP is directly related to how long you've had your account. You don't even have to pay for your subscription. Completely irrelevant to the issue of respec.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4723	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:48:00 - [25] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: jenza aranda wrote: No. Yes, NO. I have seen some of your fellow CPM peoples saying they're pushing for respec. I hope that not all of you on the CPM are equally committed to the mission to destroy DUST? I hope you realize that no one here is pushing for a respec system, they are simply pushing for a respec to the appropriately related skills for when CCP makes major changes to the designed function of certain items. In this case, just an infantry respec. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Sirys Lyons Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 20	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:49:00 - [26] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: T'orq wrote: Destroying DUST? Most RPG games I know of have some sort of respec system, WoW, Mass Effect 3, Borderlands1&2. Those are awesome games, and you think by giving respecs in DUST will ruin the game. I disagree with you. And the only MMO RPG game that has been running for 10 years that has managed to keep a good progression for both newbie and veteran players is... TADA!!!! EVE ONLINE Those games you mention are either ****** (WoW), or not particularly relevant nor long-running. Respec-entitlement will only lead this game to the abyss of power-creep. Second Decade Collectors Editions, I plan on getting the Third. Are you? The point could be made, however, that despite being a "launched" title, there are substantial additions and changes being made to DUST that are far more indicative of a "Beta" status, rather than 'Expansions' or 'Iterative Releases'. They are still figuring out how to make the game work. I'm not advocating for constant (or even frequent) respecs, but merely the possibility to alter one's skill directions when major content changes come around. This happened within the Beta period a number of times, and I frankly don't see it being a big problem here and now, when the game has yet to achieve very solid and stable feel - the ground is still shifting in major ways beneath our feet. If there is no respec in the future, the best decision is not to spend SP. Because we don't know how anything will balance out in 6mo. Imagine if in EvE, battleships might be slow, expensive, devastators of the battlefields or they might be quick, nimble, multi-player-controlled gun platforms or they might be fast, single weapon sniper rifles. Tanks have been all those things in Dust. And I could see someone who skilled into them for one of those playing styles to very dissappointed when their months of work literally disappears because of "balance" shifts...that still don't fix balance, but do destroy fun.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9902	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:49:00 - [27] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: EVE you don't have to fight other people every time you log on. You can explore, trade, haul stuff, do planetary interaction, scam people, mine, make stuff for people, etc etc. Your SP is directly related to how long you've had your account. You don't even have to pay for your subscription. Completely irrelevant to the issue of respec. Completely relevant. Different games are different, and have to be approached differently. Twisting around how the roles play directly effects every single thing you do in game. Forcing people to stick with things that they did not choose is bad business, especially when many people payed to get where they are. Believe it or not, you don't start the game with 10+ million SP. You had to actually ::gasp:: earn it. Wow. Such shock Many surprise Very logic Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
Sirys Lyons Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 20	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:49:00 - [28] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: T'orq wrote: Destroying DUST? Most RPG games I know of have some sort of respec system, WoW, Mass Effect 3, Borderlands1&2. Those are awesome games, and you think by giving respecs in DUST will ruin the game. I disagree with you. And the only MMO RPG game that has been running for 10 years that has managed to keep a good progression for both newbie and veteran players is... TADA!!!! EVE ONLINE Those games you mention are either ****** (WoW), or not particularly relevant nor long-running. Respec-entitlement will only lead this game to the abyss of power-creep. Second Decade Collectors Editions, I plan on getting the Third. Are you? The point could be made, however, that despite being a "launched" title, there are substantial additions and changes being made to DUST that are far more indicative of a "Beta" status, rather than 'Expansions' or 'Iterative Releases'. They are still figuring out how to make the game work on a fundamental typically pre-release level. I'm not advocating for constant (or even frequent) respecs, but merely the possibility to alter one's skill directions when major content changes come around. This happened within the Beta period a number of times, and I frankly don't see it being a big problem here and now, when the game has yet to achieve very solid and stable feel - the ground is still shifting in major ways beneath our feet. If there is no respec in the future, the best decision is not to spend SP. Because we don't know how anything will balance out in 6mo. Imagine if in EvE, battleships might be slow, expensive, devastators of the battlefields or they might be quick, nimble, multi-player-controlled gun platforms or they might be fast, single weapon sniper rifles. Tanks have been all those things in Dust. And I could see someone who skilled into them for one of those playing styles to very dissappointed when their months of work literally disappears because of "balance" shifts...that still don't fix balance, but do destroy fun.
jin foxdale Jedi Slime. 152	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:58:00 - [29] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: EVE you don't have to fight other people every time you log on. You can explore, trade, haul stuff, do planetary interaction, scam people, mine, make stuff for people, etc etc. Your SP is directly related to how long you've had your account. You don't even have to pay for your subscription. Completely irrelevant to the issue of respec. If you see me in the redline, driving an LAV in circles, fear not! Its my two year old son enjoying New Eden.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 996	Posted - 2014.01.11 21:01:00 - [30] - Quote Sirys Lyons wrote: The point could be made, however, that despite being a "launched" title, there are substantial additions and changes being made to DUST that are far more indicative of a "Beta" status, rather than 'Expansions' or 'Iterative Releases'. They are still figuring out how to make the game work. The point could be made that the logi-assault FOTM players have already had the benefits of the SP they put into those dropsuits, and when the nerf-hammer finally falls they have had a good run. Now the suggestion is that they do not pay the usual dues of FOTM chasing, that is to say having SP invested in skills they don't need in the next FOTM they decide to chase. Now there will always be new stuff to skill into that CCP didn't get around to adding the first time around, or changes that some people will see as 'game-breaking' for their special brand of playstyle... Yet why the respec fetish, are you so upset that you can't reshuffle all your SP into this season's FOTM that you are willing to destroy the long-term prospects of DUST? (And no, I'm not just suggesting the death of DUST as a drama thing, It is actually based on long-term observation of various skill systems)



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