This is the start of where EHP becomes something more than just Shield + Armor Hps.

Call me crazy but doesn't Caldari Sentinel get a weak shield bonus vs lasers?

Call me crazy but doesn't Caldari Sentinel get a weak shield bonus vs lasers?

Nope. Sentinels get a 15% reduction to their direct factional enemy and a 10% resistance to their indirect factional enemy. Caldari and Amarr are allies so caldari do not receive a bonus resist against lasers.

Thats not what the linked post says.

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As Daxxis said, it seems the typo is on the Amarr one and not the Minmatar one, as Amarr has resistance against it's direct rival (Minmatar) and it's other rival (Gallente), while the other three has resistances against their direct rival and their ally.

So Amarr should probably have resistance against Minmatar and Caldari.

Well you're not wrong about there being something off in the way the resistances are structured and I'd really prefer to have the bonuses follow lore too. For the record, moving the Amarr small resist to Caldari Weapons makes almost as much sense as changing the Minmatar one, it's just that a shield bonus vs rails is worth less than a shield bonus vs plasma (CF. damage profiles).

I was mostly responding to your original point about combating the damage type of your enemy's ally, the complication arises because there are two races with mixed bonuses and two races with double bonuses so the Caldari small resist against Amarr weapons and the Gallente small resist against Minmatar weapons is the only way to go without devaluing bonuses.

SCOPE:
I was sitting at lunch the other day and decided I would do some simple calcs on the Sentinel bonuses that popped up on the Sisi server. For those of you who have not seen the data mine information yet, Aeon Amadi was kind enough to post it here:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134173

The Sentinel Bonus gives resistances to certain damage types based off the race of the suit. For a review of damage types please look at this DevBlog:
http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/11/weapons-of-uprising-1.7/

I will attempt to determine what damage type is best for dealing with each Sentinel if these bonuses and values do indeed make it into 1.8

ASSUMPTIONS:
-- Sentinel Skill assumed to be at Level V
-- GÇ£Blast DamageGÇ¥ equates to GÇ£Explosive DamageGÇ¥
-- The Minmatar Bonus has a typo and should be GÇ£2% Armor Resistance to Hybrid-Rail DamageGÇ¥ instead of GÇ£Hybrid-Blaster DamageGÇ¥. I believe that this is a typo because the written bonus does not follow the same pattern that all of the other suits follow.
--Bonuses are Multiplicative to base Shield/Armor resist/weakness values.

CALCULATION:
Efficiency Rating = (Native Damage Multiplier * Skill Damage Reduction Multiplier)*100%
Example: Minmatar -15% Shield Damage from Laser Weapons
(1.2 * .85)*100%=102%

Caldari Sentinel
Shields
Laser = 120%
Hybrid Blasters = 96.5%
Hybrid Rail = 90%
Projectile = 85.5%
Explosive = 60%

Armor
Laser = 80%
Hybrid Blasters =90%
Hybrid Rail = 110%
Projectile = 110%
Explosive = 90%

Amarr Sentinel
Shields
Laser = 120%
Hybrid Blasters = 99%
Hybrid Rail = 90%
Projectile = 95%
Explosive = 60%

Armor
Laser = 80%
Hybrid Blasters =90%
Hybrid Rail = 110%
Projectile =93.5%
Explosive = 90%

Gallente Sentinel
Shields
Laser = 120%
Hybrid Blasters = 110%
Hybrid Rail = 90%
Projectile = 95%
Explosive = 60%

Armor
Laser = 72%
Hybrid Blasters =90%
Hybrid Rail = 99%
Projectile = 110%
Explosive = 90%

Minmatar Sentinel
Shields
Laser = 102%
Hybrid Blasters = 110%
Hybrid Rail = 90%
Projectile = 95%
Explosive = 60%

Armor
Laser = 80%
Hybrid Blasters =90%
Hybrid Rail = 99%
Projectile = 110%
Explosive = 90%

ANALYSIS:
Caldari
With a massive pool of shield HP, explosive weapons will be essentially useless against these suit. Its shields resist nearly every damage type making it highly versatile against most weapons. However with no additional resistance against EM Damage, Laser weapons and Flux grenades will make short work of these Sentinels.

Amarr
The Amarr Sentinel is effectively a hybrid tank due to its equal pools of Shield and Armor, but it does have more focus on armor when it comes to modules. Because of this, Hybrid Rail weapons will be the best choice to take these guys down, due to the fact that they will still receive 110% efficiency against the Amarr Sentinel's armor.

Gallente
The Sentinel's natural resistance to explosive weapons is the biggest asset for the Gallente Sentinel. On top of that, Hybrid Rail and Laser weapons will have significantly reduced effectiveness. Projectile weapons are the best choice when fighting Gallente Sentinels.

Minmatar
The Minmatar Sentinel has a very even balance of resistances. It is neither highly resistant or highly weak to any particular damage type. This allows it to shield or armor tank with few downsides making them highly unpredictable. Armor Tanked Minmatar Sentinels should taken out with Projectile Weapons and Shield Tanked Minmatar Sentinels should be taken out with Hybrid Blaster weapons.

CONCLUSION
Damage specific resistances is an interesting addition to infantry combat and will add some new dynamics to combat. It is important to remember that sometimes your enemy will have the ideal fit to counter your. For example, if you try to fight a Gallente Sentinel with a Scrambler Rifle, you're gonna have a bad time. It doesn't mean that the Gallente Sentinel is overpowered, it just means that you had the wrong weapon for that particular confrontation.

As a personal opinion, I think this is a step in the right direction for Sentinels, as Heavies have been needing some much needed love and the Sentinel suits actually have a purpose now. Also remember that this report assumes that the values and bonuses found on Sisi are correct; remember that they are subject to change.

I hope you found this information useful

While they're already the easier to fit. (You can fit 3-4 CR for a single SCR......).

I don't see anything about the bonuses saying they are per level.

Common sense does. No skills in EVE or Dust offer a flat bonus.

Did they fix the current sentinel skill?

Also, assuming common sense from CCP is foolish.

For people discussing which bonus is a typo.

With all of that said I'm going to stick with my original conclusion that the Minmatar Sentinal has a Typo, and that they have big resist against Lasers for shields, and a small resist against Rail for armor. Amarr keep their big resist against Projectile on armor, and small resist against Blaster on shields.

Sounds good. Makes me lean more towards the Winmatar heavy if that's indeed the case.

I'm willing to bet money the numbers are incorrect in reference to explosive weapons.

Replace "blast" with "splash" for the correct values. I believe that this will apply to flaylocks, mass drivers, remote explosives and forge splash.

if they would only just use the 4 damage and resist types and then give suits and modules resists like in eve it would be eaiser. I feel like this is a step in the right direction (after we were told we were to stupid to handle it) but i would like it done right. Feels most like "lets try this" instead of a real damage and resist system.

Also pokey great analysis here.


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I always like posts that include math.

My new favorite suit, the Gallente Sentinel, seems to be the only suit that has every damage type below 100% against its main tank. I figured that was worth mentioning.

blast dmg does not == explosive dmg. Rail, forge and PLC all have splash all without explosive dmg, I would assume thats what blast means

Initially the post was based off the sisi data but the devs posted updated information on the forums which was slightly different from the sisi data. I updated this post to reflect the updated info.

Great post

Now what is the difference in TTk per suit based on a prorto combat rifle? My guess 1 maybe one and a half seconds?

These differences will matter much more once we get the ttk balnced until then

Great post

Now what is the difference in TTk per suit based on a prorto combat rifle? My guess 1 maybe one and a half seconds?

These differences will matter much more once we get the ttk balnced until then