DUST Search - If bullet does 30dmg and you have 20 shields left.

Grit Breather wrote:

Repe Susi wrote:

Musta Tornius wrote:

Repe Susi wrote:

Whoa. But what about, uh, hundreds of us who do not have access to crystal ball?
I feel this should be easily accessible information to Dust players also, not needing to dig it out of servers or whatnot.

Maybe, maybe not. What difference does the 10hp mean for most people anyway? There's so much info in this game I guess some stuff just need to be limited to server side only.

I guess so. I kind of understand that. It's debatable that Dust mercenaries _need_ that info but it should be easily available if one wants to know. And yes, I got the answer immediately. Thank you CCP.

CCP did their bit and released the SDE. Now it's up to the community to carry it from there.
The link I provided earlier was to my own site that is gearing up to be a lookup service for DUST items and attributes. There are others making similar and better things.
A notable example is G Torq who is building a full item database with fitting tool and eventually an out-of-game fit vs. fit match generator. You can find this at http://dust.thang.dk.

Point is, the information is already out there. Go use it. :)

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Repe Susi Rautaleijona Top Men. 888	Posted - 2014.01.10 10:35:00 - [1] - Quote Does the remaining 20 shields 'eat up' the whole bullet damage or does the remaining 10 damage move to armor? Smeehf.

CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 4170	Posted - 2014.01.10 10:37:00 - [2] - Quote Moves to armour. However, the actual damage inflicted will be different due to the change in resistances. CCP Logibro // EVE Universe Community Team // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics

Leovarian L Lavitz NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 892	Posted - 2014.01.10 10:40:00 - [3] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Moves to armour. However, the actual damage inflicted will be different due to the change in resistances. How much hp does a clone have under his shields and armor? Sometimes I swear I should kill someone only to have them escape with 0/0 Omni-Soldier Few are my equal in one of these specialties, and there are none who can compare in all of them.
Grit Breather Cannonfodder PMC 917	Posted - 2014.01.10 10:41:00 - [4] - Quote Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Moves to armour. However, the actual damage inflicted will be different due to the change in resistances. How much hp does a clone have under his shields and armor? Sometimes I swear I should kill someone only to have them escape with 0/0 All suits have 10 HP of life under the armour. That never replenishes so use it wisely. "Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." GÇò Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland
Grit Breather Cannonfodder PMC 919	Posted - 2014.01.10 10:49:00 - [5] - Quote As Logibro wrote below, it's more complicated than that. CCP Logibro wrote: Moves to armour. However, the actual damage inflicted will be different due to the change in resistances. Say you have a bullet that does 20 damage. Now let's assume it does 80% damage to shields but 120% damage to armour. Now you shoot it at some unlucky fool with 10 shield and 10 armour left. First the bullet hits shields and does a full 10 HP of damage to them, depleting them entirely. In order to do this 10 shield damage, the bullet had to "use up" 10/0.8 of its damage (that's 10 HP multiplied by the inverted 80% value). That comes to 12.5 damage "used up" to do 10 HP of damage. But the shield is gone. Now the bullet hits armour but only has 7.5 damage left in it. It is also more effective against armour. If we multiply 7.5*1.2 (the remaining damage multiplied by the armour effectiveness) we get 9. So the bullet hits armour and takes 9 HP out of the remaining 10 HP. Sadly the bullet didn't win this time. A 20 damage bullet against a 20 HP suit just couldn't produce enough armour damage to overcome the shield penalty. I hope this helps. :) "Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." GÇò Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland
Repe Susi Rautaleijona Top Men. 888	Posted - 2014.01.10 10:50:00 - [6] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Moves to armour. However, the actual damage inflicted will be different due to the change in resistances. Awesome, thanks. Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: How much hp does a clone have under his shields and armor? Sometimes I swear I should kill someone only to have them escape with 0/0 I've escaped many times from situation with 0/0 shields/armor and every time it feels like an angel looked down to me and decided that I'm not ready for heaven yet. But yeah, there seems to be some minimal buffer under the suit. EDIT: Or, as Grit Breather said there's resistances and roundings up and down and what you have. But my original question got answered: Does the damage move to armor after shields concerning one bullet. Smeehf.
Grit Breather Cannonfodder PMC 919	Posted - 2014.01.10 10:56:00 - [7] - Quote Repe Susi wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Moves to armour. However, the actual damage inflicted will be different due to the change in resistances. Awesome, thanks. Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: How much hp does a clone have under his shields and armor? Sometimes I swear I should kill someone only to have them escape with 0/0 I've escaped many times from situation with 0/0 shields/armor and every time it feels like an angel looked down to me and decided that I'm not ready for heaven yet. But yeah, there seems to be some minimal buffer under the suit. EDIT: Or, as Grit Breather said there's resistances and roundings up and down and what you have. But my original question got answered: Does the damage move to armor after shields concerning one bullet. You seem to have missed my other point. All suits have 10 HP of life under the armour. Unlike armour and shield, there is nothing that replenishes this so use it wisely. "Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." GÇò Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland
Repe Susi Rautaleijona Top Men. 889	Posted - 2014.01.10 11:04:00 - [8] - Quote Grit Breather wrote: You seem to have missed my other point. All suits have 10 HP of life under the armour. Unlike armour and shield, there is nothing that replenishes this so use it wisely. Even if I didn't acknowledge it, I didn't miss it. Smeehf.
Rei Meix Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 44	Posted - 2014.01.10 11:45:00 - [9] - Quote Grit Breather wrote: All suits have 10 HP of life under the armour. That never replenishes so use it wisely. May I ask what you are basing this on? I've been under the impression that rounding causes the visible 0 armor left to appear. Damage dealt includes decimals but the display only shows whole numbers and thus rounds down to the nearest integer. If assuming that hitting exactly 0 armor does not result in death, I would conclude that any point of damage afterwards, no matter how small would result in death, rather than a possibly arbitrary 10 points of damage. The reason I say this is because this information isn't indicated in the HUD in any way nor would really be intuitive to a player.
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1411	Posted - 2014.01.10 15:48:00 - [10] - Quote Rei Meix wrote: Grit Breather wrote: All suits have 10 HP of life under the armour. That never replenishes so use it wisely. May I ask what you are basing this on? Ditto. That's news to me, and I'm an EVE/DUST game mechanics nerd. Got a source? I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 11832	Posted - 2014.01.10 16:00:00 - [11] - Quote Rei Meix wrote: Grit Breather wrote: All suits have 10 HP of life under the armour. That never replenishes so use it wisely. May I ask what you are basing this on? I've been under the impression that rounding causes the visible 0 armor left to appear. Damage dealt includes decimals but the display only shows whole numbers and thus rounds down to the nearest integer. If assuming that hitting exactly 0 armor does not result in death, I would conclude that any point of damage afterwards, no matter how small would result in death, rather than a possibly arbitrary 10 points of damage. The reason I say this is because this information isn't indicated in the HUD in any way nor would really be intuitive to a player. The current Static Data Export has this as a stat on all suits. Similarly there is 200 health for bleed out on every suit. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1411	Posted - 2014.01.10 16:09:00 - [12] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: The current Static Data Export has this as a stat on all suits. Similarly there is 200 health for bleed out on every suit. Seems I learn something new every day... I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Grit Breather Cannonfodder PMC 932	Posted - 2014.01.10 16:17:00 - [13] - Quote Rei Meix wrote: Grit Breather wrote: All suits have 10 HP of life under the armour. That never replenishes so use it wisely. May I ask what you are basing this on? I've been under the impression that rounding causes the visible 0 armor left to appear. Damage dealt includes decimals but the display only shows whole numbers and thus rounds down to the nearest integer. If assuming that hitting exactly 0 armor does not result in death, I would conclude that any point of damage afterwards, no matter how small would result in death, rather than a possibly arbitrary 10 points of damage. The reason I say this is because this information isn't indicated in the HUD in any way nor would really be intuitive to a player. Here's an example of a suit: Assault gk.0. Scroll down a bit and note the maxHealth attribute. It's near the maxArmor and maxShield attributes. AFAIK, this has been in DUST forever. We do actually have hulls like in EVE. They just aren't in the UI. This little piece of information only became evident when CCP released the DUST SDE. "Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." GÇò Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1411	Posted - 2014.01.10 16:32:00 - [14] - Quote Grit Breather wrote: We do actually have hulls like in EVE. Excellent. Because real men hull tank. Use those 10 hitpoints like a boss. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Artificer Ghost Bojo's School of the Trades 965	Posted - 2014.01.10 16:36:00 - [15] - Quote Yup, you have 10 HP of "hull". Or rather "body". ~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
Repe Susi Rautaleijona Top Men. 899	Posted - 2014.01.10 17:46:00 - [16] - Quote Whoa. But what about, uh, hundreds of us who do not have access to crystal ball? I feel this should be easily accessible information to Dust players also, not needing to dig it out of servers or whatnot. Smeehf.
Musta Tornius Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising 929	Posted - 2014.01.10 18:26:00 - [17] - Quote Repe Susi wrote: Whoa. But what about, uh, hundreds of us who do not have access to crystal ball? I feel this should be easily accessible information to Dust players also, not needing to dig it out of servers or whatnot. Maybe, maybe not. What difference does the 10hp mean for most people anyway? There's so much info in this game I guess some stuff just need to be limited to server side only. DUST514 Weapon Range & Information Team Fairy DUST
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 96	Posted - 2014.01.10 18:33:00 - [18] - Quote I can see that some of it is unimportant like have 10 HP under your Shields and Armor. It just doesn't matter. If you get to 0 Shields, 0 Armor and live to run away and fight another day, good for you. Some stats however, are critically important to be displayed in a way that not only easy to see, but easy to compare. I'm talking about weapon damage types and ranges. Hopefully CCP gets on that soon.
Repe Susi Rautaleijona Top Men. 903	Posted - 2014.01.10 18:46:00 - [19] - Quote Musta Tornius wrote: Repe Susi wrote: Whoa. But what about, uh, hundreds of us who do not have access to crystal ball? I feel this should be easily accessible information to Dust players also, not needing to dig it out of servers or whatnot. Maybe, maybe not. What difference does the 10hp mean for most people anyway? There's so much info in this game I guess some stuff just need to be limited to server side only. I guess so. I kind of understand that. It's debatable that Dust mercenaries _need_ that info but it should be easily available if one wants to know. And yes, I got the answer immediately. Thank you CCP. Smeehf.
Grit Breather Cannonfodder PMC 939	Posted - 2014.01.10 19:41:00 - [20] - Quote Repe Susi wrote: Musta Tornius wrote: Repe Susi wrote: Whoa. But what about, uh, hundreds of us who do not have access to crystal ball? I feel this should be easily accessible information to Dust players also, not needing to dig it out of servers or whatnot. Maybe, maybe not. What difference does the 10hp mean for most people anyway? There's so much info in this game I guess some stuff just need to be limited to server side only. I guess so. I kind of understand that. It's debatable that Dust mercenaries _need_ that info but it should be easily available if one wants to know. And yes, I got the answer immediately. Thank you CCP. CCP did their bit and released the SDE. Now it's up to the community to carry it from there. The link I provided earlier was to my own site that is gearing up to be a lookup service for DUST items and attributes. There are others making similar and better things. A notable example is G Torq who is building a full item database with fitting tool and eventually an out-of-game fit vs. fit match generator. You can find this at http://dust.thang.dk. Point is, the information is already out there. Go use it. :) "Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." GÇò Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland

Rei Meix Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 45	Posted - 2014.01.10 23:28:00 - [21] - Quote Thanks for the clarifications.
G Torq ALTA B2O 361	Posted - 2014.01.11 00:05:00 - [22] - Quote Grit Breather wrote: Repe Susi wrote: Musta Tornius wrote: Repe Susi wrote: Whoa. But what about, uh, hundreds of us who do not have access to crystal ball? I feel this should be easily accessible information to Dust players also, not needing to dig it out of servers or whatnot. Maybe, maybe not. What difference does the 10hp mean for most people anyway? There's so much info in this game I guess some stuff just need to be limited to server side only. I guess so. I kind of understand that. It's debatable that Dust mercenaries _need_ that info but it should be easily available if one wants to know. And yes, I got the answer immediately. Thank you CCP. CCP did their bit and released the SDE. Now it's up to the community to carry it from there. The link I provided earlier was to my own site that is gearing up to be a lookup service for DUST items and attributes. There are others making similar and better things. A notable example is G Torq who is building a full item database with fitting tool and eventually an out-of-game fit vs. fit match generator. You can find this at http://dust.thang.dk. Point is, the information is already out there. Go use it. :) Trust me - stripey-shoed Susi already knows of my site Will work on presentation a bit soon, so this stuff becomes easier to read and grok and stuff.... Team Fairy DUST HTTP://Dust.Thang.DK/ - DUST514 Fitting Tool based on DUST SDE
Gaff Origami ZionTCD Public Disorder. 69	Posted - 2014.01.11 01:09:00 - [23] - Quote I wonder if anyone's ever gone 0/0, repped back up and gone 0/0 again without dying.
Lucrezia LeGrand 194	Posted - 2014.01.11 01:27:00 - [24] - Quote Grit Breather wrote: Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Moves to armour. However, the actual damage inflicted will be different due to the change in resistances. How much hp does a clone have under his shields and armor? Sometimes I swear I should kill someone only to have them escape with 0/0 All suits have 10 HP of life under the armour. That never replenishes so use it wisely. 10 HP? Wow, that means we're still like lvl. 1 in rpg standards. Maybe it's because we die so much. ya- hoi hoi
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 11887	Posted - 2014.01.11 03:48:00 - [25] - Quote Lucrezia LeGrand wrote: Grit Breather wrote: Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Moves to armour. However, the actual damage inflicted will be different due to the change in resistances. How much hp does a clone have under his shields and armor? Sometimes I swear I should kill someone only to have them escape with 0/0 All suits have 10 HP of life under the armour. That never replenishes so use it wisely. 10 HP? Wow, that means we're still like lvl. 1 in rpg standards. Maybe it's because we die so much. Dunno do bullets realistically do damage in rpgs? CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Grit Breather Cannonfodder PMC 943	Posted - 2014.01.11 16:03:00 - [26] - Quote Gaff Origami wrote: I wonder if anyone's ever gone 0/0, repped back up and gone 0/0 again without dying. Happened to me once a few months ago. Was freaky. "Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." GÇò Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland
Minmatar Citizen 3173120 Xpert Intervention 82	Posted - 2014.01.12 16:09:00 - [27] - Quote Just shoot em in the eye. No amount of HP will save them.
Grit Breather Cannonfodder PMC 943	Posted - 2014.01.12 20:18:00 - [28] - Quote Minmatar Citizen 3173120 wrote: Just shoot em in the eye. No amount of HP will save them. Doesn't that only work against an Atlas mech? "Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." GÇò Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland


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