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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.01.09 20:08:00 -
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Minmatar scout melee bonus is still less than medium frame melee, even when maxed out; its also weird for it to get a bonus to another race's weapon (nova knives are Caldari). The 5% hacking speed bonus (which seems like its going to be removed from the Minmatar logi) would be perfect on a scout given that they have the speed to quickly and stealthily reach objectives.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
Covert Intervention
7721
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Posted - 2014.01.09 20:25:00 -
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Yes, please. +1.
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Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
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Paran Tadec
The Hetairoi
1888
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Posted - 2014.01.09 20:39:00 -
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Yes!
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Eko Sol
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.09 21:38:00 -
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This is the first I'm hearing that the min-logi is getting its hacking bonus removed. The whole reason I went that route is because of that benefit. Sigh. Well guess I have to +1 this as well since I will have to re-spec into min-scout for the hack bonus I want. |
Tonka Legacy
THIRD EARTH INCORPORATED
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.01.09 21:54:00 -
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GREAT wasted all my SP in Minotaur logi for the hack speed to be taken from me? Damn. Also yes I feel the light frame needs something more than just being a dead man walking. Hack speed would make me use it more. I even got those complex codebreaker things
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.01.09 21:56:00 -
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Tonka Legacy wrote:GREAT wasted all my SP in Minotaur logi for the hack speed to be taken from me? Damn. Also yes I feel the light frame needs something more than just being a dead man walking. Hack speed would make me use it more. I even got those complex codebreaker things
Eko Sol wrote:This is the first I'm hearing that the min-logi is getting its hacking bonus removed. The whole reason I went that route is because of that benefit. Sigh. Well guess I have to +1 this as well since I will have to re-spec into min-scout for the hack bonus I want.
You can find more info here in case you guys are interested.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.01.10 03:02:00 -
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I want still
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.01.10 13:44:00 -
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Anyone else?
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Draco Cerberus
BurgezzE.T.F
Public Disorder.
671
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Posted - 2014.01.10 14:08:00 -
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no, leave it on the minmatar logi suit
LogiGod earns his pips
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zzZaXxx
The Exemplars
Top Men.
238
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Posted - 2014.01.10 14:24:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Minmatar scout melee bonus is still less than medium frame melee, even when maxed out; its also weird for it to get a bonus to another race's weapon (nova knives are Caldari). The 5% hacking speed bonus (which seems like its going to be removed from the Minmatar logi) would be perfect on a scout given that they have the speed to quickly and stealthily reach objectives.
That would be OP compared to the other bonuses. Remember, they're going to have cloaking soon. Nova knives will be relevant (if tweaked). |
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.01.10 16:38:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Minmatar scout melee bonus is still less than medium frame melee, even when maxed out; its also weird for it to get a bonus to another race's weapon (nova knives are Caldari). The 5% hacking speed bonus (which seems like its going to be removed from the Minmatar logi) would be perfect on a scout given that they have the speed to quickly and stealthily reach objectives. That would be OP compared to the other bonuses. Remember, they're going to have cloaking soon. Nova knives will be relevant (if tweaked).
The bonus is not needed to make nova knives useful while cloaked. Also, I don't think a hacking bonus would be OP compared to the others (the Amarr one might get a cloak cooldown time reduction bonus, and the Caldari one might get a bonus to be able t fire more while cloaked).
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Cooper Eudaemon
DUST University
Ivy League
41
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Posted - 2014.01.10 17:15:00 -
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What if it was the racial bonus for all Minmatar suits?
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
448
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Posted - 2014.01.10 20:32:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Minmatar scout melee bonus is still less than medium frame melee, even when maxed out; its also weird for it to get a bonus to another race's weapon (nova knives are Caldari). The 5% hacking speed bonus (which seems like its going to be removed from the Minmatar logi) would be perfect on a scout given that they have the speed to quickly and stealthily reach objectives.
Althoug the minmatar bonus does not not make that much sense (unless we exactly know how cloaks will work) the hacking bonus would sill make more sense on the gallente scout.
Give the minni scout a bonus to minmatar stuff (like RE's) |
Suanar Daranaus
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
116
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Posted - 2014.01.10 21:20:00 -
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+1
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Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
3127
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Posted - 2014.01.10 21:31:00 -
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I don't know about the Minny Scout in particular, but something like a hacking bonus is generally the sort of thing I'd like to see on scouts. It's more generally useful and not restrictive to a certain playstyle like a cloak bonus would be (it requires no special equipment, etc.).
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IR Scifi
Knights of Eternal Darkness
League of Infamy
96
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Posted - 2014.01.11 03:45:00 -
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Hmm I'll hate to lose it on my min-logi, but dropping it onto a scout wouldn't be a bad idea. |
Mobius Wyvern
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
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Posted - 2014.01.11 05:09:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Minmatar scout melee bonus is still less than medium frame melee, even when maxed out; its also weird for it to get a bonus to another race's weapon (nova knives are Caldari). The 5% hacking speed bonus (which seems like its going to be removed from the Minmatar logi) would be perfect on a scout given that they have the speed to quickly and stealthily reach objectives.
I'd like hacking speed to be a role bonus of all Scouts as well as the cloaking bonus.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
7996
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Posted - 2014.01.11 19:45:00 -
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More thoughts welcomed
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
1066
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Posted - 2014.01.11 19:49:00 -
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Why Minmatar only? Why not Gallente, or Caldari, or Amarr?
What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage?
The pile of garbage is more lethal.
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ugg reset
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
438
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Posted - 2014.01.11 20:05:00 -
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I don't under stand why people think that a scouts role bonus should have anything to do with hacking. logis already have an innate hacking bonus and light frames are to weak for that role to mean anything. imo if you want a fast hack scout, train the skill and/or use the mods.
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Daxxis KANNAH
Distinct Covert Initiative
617
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Posted - 2014.01.11 20:07:00 -
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I want better than a paltry hacking bonus
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.01.11 20:07:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:Why Minmatar only? Why not Gallente, or Caldari, or Amarr?
I'm proposing this as a racial bonus, not a role bonus, but it would indeed fit as either. Caldari could get the role bonus CCP is considering (cloak field fitting bonus) as their racial bonus.
I'd be fine with this as either role or racial bonus.
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Krom Ganesh
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
1181
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Posted - 2014.01.11 20:28:00 -
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Min scout needs more than just the hacking bonus.
Give it the 5% hacking bonus and a 3% sprint speed bonus (slightly more than a cmp kincat).
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
7996
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Posted - 2014.01.11 20:57:00 -
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Krom Ganesh wrote:Min scout needs more than just the hacking bonus.
Give it the 5% hacking bonus and a 3% sprint speed bonus (slightly more than a cmp kincat).
What If the hacking bonus was the role bonus, and the Minmatar scout bonus was to the efficacy (and or fitting) of biotic modules (kinkats, stimulants, and cardiacs)
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Heinrich Jagerblitzen
D3LTA FORC3
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Posted - 2014.01.11 21:06:00 -
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This makes a lot of sense. +1 |
Krom Ganesh
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
1181
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Posted - 2014.01.11 21:47:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Krom Ganesh wrote:Min scout needs more than just the hacking bonus.
Give it the 5% hacking bonus and a 3% sprint speed bonus (slightly more than a cmp kincat). What If the hacking bonus was the role bonus, and the Minmatar scout bonus was to the efficacy (and or fitting) of biotic modules (kinkats, stimulants, and cardiacs)
That would be a bit unfair to the min. It only has two lows so it wouldn't get much use out it (myofibrils are useless).
Giving the Min a direct sprint speed increase allows it to make up for its low number of low slots while also ensuring it is the speed scout.
As for making hacking the role bonus, I don't think the role of all scouts should be hacking. Each suit should focus on weakening the enemy in different ways.
Scout Roles: M-Speedy Anarchist | C-Chaos Weaver | G-Stealth Recon | A-Endurance Hunter
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.01.11 22:04:00 -
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Krom Ganesh wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Krom Ganesh wrote:Min scout needs more than just the hacking bonus.
Give it the 5% hacking bonus and a 3% sprint speed bonus (slightly more than a cmp kincat). What If the hacking bonus was the role bonus, and the Minmatar scout bonus was to the efficacy (and or fitting) of biotic modules (kinkats, stimulants, and cardiacs) That would be a bit unfair to the min. It only has two lows so it wouldn't get much use out it (myofibrils are useless). Giving the Min a direct sprint speed increase allows it to make up for its low number of low slots while also ensuring it is the speed scout. As for making hacking the role bonus, I don't think the role of all scouts should be hacking. Each suit should focus on weakening the enemy in different ways.
What do you (if you are a Minmatar scout) or others use those 2 low slots on? I'd figure you could just one for a dampener, and a kinkat in the other.
I'd be totally fine with a speed bonus though.
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Krom Ganesh
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
1185
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Posted - 2014.01.11 23:48:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:What do you (if you are a Minmatar scout) or others use those 2 low slots on? I'd figure you could just one for a dampener, and a kinkat in the other.
I'd be totally fine with a speed bonus though.
True. I believe most min scouts do use 2x kincats and if the bonus was like 5% per level to biotics efficacy, they would move at similar speeds as if they had a 15% base sprint speed increase. I just prefer bonuses to affect base stats rather than specific modules so they can be helpful no matter what fit you are using.
Scout Roles: M-Speedy Anarchist | C-Chaos Weaver | G-Stealth Recon | A-Endurance Hunter
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
7996
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Posted - 2014.01.12 00:07:00 -
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Krom Ganesh wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:What do you (if you are a Minmatar scout) or others use those 2 low slots on? I'd figure you could just one for a dampener, and a kinkat in the other.
I'd be totally fine with a speed bonus though. True. I believe most min scouts do use 2x kincats and if the bonus was like 5% per level to biotics efficacy, they would move at similar speeds as if they had a 15% base sprint speed increase. I just prefer bonuses to affect base stats rather than specific modules so they can be helpful no matter what fit you are using.
I find a bonus to biotics much more versatile though, since it could also be used for more than just speed mods (maybe in the future myofibrals won't suck). What if the efficacy was 50% per level when maxed out?
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Krom Ganesh
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
1191
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Posted - 2014.01.12 00:51:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I find a bonus to biotics much more versatile though, since it could also be used for more than just speed mods (maybe in the future myofibrals won't suck). What if the efficacy was 50% per level when maxed out?
It might be more versatile but only slightly. Myofibrils would only be useful on very specific fits and only if the scout had a melee damage that did more than tickle. However, cardiac regulators will very rarely be used by a min scout. One of the other scouts calculated that for distances under something like 700m 2x kincats will let you cover those distances faster than 2x cardiac regulators or 1x kincat and 1x cardiac regulator.
50% seems fine to me.
Scout Roles: M-Speedy Anarchist | C-Chaos Weaver | G-Stealth Recon | A-Endurance Hunter
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.01.12 09:11:00 -
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More thoughts are welcomed.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.01.13 06:54:00 -
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Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:This makes a lot of sense. +1
Awww yeah, CPM approved, and not even one of the irrationally hated ones either.
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noob cavman
Tickle My Null-Sac
419
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Posted - 2014.01.14 22:47:00 -
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I like my knife bonus. I would rather have that than the hacking.
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bogeyman m
Learning Coalition College
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Posted - 2014.01.14 23:46:00 -
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Tonka Legacy wrote:GREAT wasted all my SP in Minotaur logi for the hack speed to be taken from me? Damn. Also yes I feel the light frame needs something more than just being a dead man walking. Hack speed would make me use it more. I even got those complex codebreaker things
Minotaur Logi = epic! |
Auris Lionesse
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.01.17 05:59:00 -
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the rof increase is a horrible idea but I have no idea what to replace it with.
Seems like a CPU pg reduction for responder cancel out a logi bonus for equipment.
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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
1218
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Posted - 2014.01.17 09:05:00 -
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You got your hacking bonus, and the scout have a pretty significant melee boost. Still the nova knives thing is weird, I was hoping it'd be a blanket "blade" bonus.
Where is my Gallente sidearm?
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