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Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 3772	Posted - 2014.01.08 03:17:00 - [1] - Quote Caldari Assaults running around with 600+ Sheilds Gallente Assaults crawling around with 800+ Armor No Logis Caldari Commandos carrying dual Rail Rifles (gotta go full tryhard mode ) with 800+ HP Unstoppable Heavies Scouts crying in corners I guess I'll be speccing into Minmatar Logi AND Caldari Assault. When I'm starting to get pissed off about those Commandos, I'll just pull out my Minny Logi and follow around one of my fat friends. /rant Discuss. Logi ak.0 Best Logi :D
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 1779	Posted - 2014.01.08 03:18:00 - [2] - Quote I don't see heavies becoming unstoppable given the Assaults DPS and HP (for the most part) substantially increasing. Scouts though... Ouch... Closed Beta Vet Reading the forums detracts from overall enjoyment of the game
Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis CALSF 466	Posted - 2014.01.08 03:20:00 - [3] - Quote Bout time the slayers and bullet soakers get their balls back and shields get to you know tank We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC Intara Direct Action Caldari State 224	Posted - 2014.01.08 03:20:00 - [4] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Caldari Assaults running around with 600+ Sheilds Gallente Assaults crawling around with 800+ Armor No Logis Caldari Commandos carrying dual Rail Rifles (gotta go full tryhard mode ) with 800+ HP Unstoppable Heavies Scouts crying in corners I guess I'll be speccing into Minmatar Logi AND Caldari Assault. When I'm starting to get pissed off about those Commandos, I'll just pull out my Minny Logi and follow around one of my fat friends. /rant Discuss. Where are the new bonuses listed?
Callidus Vanus State Patriots 189	Posted - 2014.01.08 03:21:00 - [5] - Quote 1. Flux grenades 2. Any explosive + combat rifles 3. Logis will now be used by people you want to be a logi 4. you exaggerating 5. just avoid them, its not like they can run or anything 6. Nothing new there. If you are reading this then you are on the forums, leave immediately to retain your enjoyment of Dust 514.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3140	Posted - 2014.01.08 03:22:00 - [6] - Quote You're looking too much into this. Something like love, something like hope. Something like beautiful, something I wrote GùòGÇ+Gå+
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 1190	Posted - 2014.01.08 03:22:00 - [7] - Quote I think you are vastly overstating the potential impact of these bonuses. Mind you I could be wrong, it has happened before, but I feel like with the extremely short TTK the extra HP the Cal and Gal assaults are getting will only give them a couple of ticks more life span. The Amarr assault looks like it could be an armor beast though since it will essentially have a proto rep module installed without needed to actually run one. The loss of the heat reduction bonus is a sad counterpoint to this though since it is perhaps the only assault bonus that actually makes sense. Good thing none of these ideas are set in stone. Fun > Realism
Logi Stician The Vanguardians INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 131	Posted - 2014.01.08 03:22:00 - [8] - Quote Quote: Where are the new bonuses listed? This.
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core 421	Posted - 2014.01.08 03:23:00 - [9] - Quote -No Logis ill still logi like iv always have,someone has you rep your a$$ A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 3773	Posted - 2014.01.08 03:23:00 - [10] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: You're looking too much into this. My own opinion is mine. Logi ak.0 Best Logi :D

Aero Yassavi Yassavi House 4406	Posted - 2014.01.08 03:24:00 - [11] - Quote I imagine the Caldari Commando going going Rail Rifle + Sniper Rifle combo. Imagine that, picking people off from afar and then as soon as someone gets remotely close you pop out the Rail Rifle. Personally I've been using the Amarr Commando with the Scrambler Rifle and Laser Rifle for ages, but the LR is garbage now so I switched to Scrambler Rifle and Assault Scrambler Rifle and loving it, can't wait for the updated skill bonus! It's a bird! It's a plane! No, it's Super Amarr!
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 3773	Posted - 2014.01.08 03:24:00 - [12] - Quote Logi Stician wrote: Quote: Where are the new bonuses listed? This. You haven't seen them? o_O Reserved for link Logi ak.0 Best Logi :D
LuckyLuke Wargan HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 265	Posted - 2014.01.08 03:25:00 - [13] - Quote Commando suit is a heavy suit, I think that's good as long as the shield regen stay slow as it is now. "Cry HavoK!, and let slip the dogs of war!" -Medical/Intel Logibro and Swarm Commando-
LEHON Xeon Pradox XVI 20	Posted - 2014.01.08 03:27:00 - [14] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: I think you are vastly overstating the potential impact of these bonuses. Mind you I could be wrong, it has happened before, but I feel like with the extremely short TTK the extra HP the Cal and Gal assaults are getting will only give them a couple of ticks more life span. The Amarr assault looks like it could be an armor beast though since it will essentially have a proto rep module installed without needed to actually run one. The loss of the heat reduction bonus is a sad counterpoint to this though since it is perhaps the only assault bonus that actually makes sense. Good thing none of these ideas are set in stone. I thought about that also. Made me wonder how truly effective the extra armor or shielding bonuses would be given the enhanced ROF and further reduced TTK. Probably would buy an extra few seconds at the most, which would only be useful in extreme CQC. If Walking Is So Good For You, Then Why Does My Mailman Look Like Jabba The Hut?
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 2694	Posted - 2014.01.08 03:28:00 - [15] - Quote Commando wise? I'm as happy as a duck in water :D Logi wise? I'm flipping pi$$ed!!!!! >:( Proud member of the Commando 6 <3 Commando AK.0
Logi Stician The Vanguardians INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 131	Posted - 2014.01.08 03:28:00 - [16] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Logi Stician wrote: Quote: Where are the new bonuses listed? This. You haven't seen them? o_O https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134242&find=unread and https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134173&find=unread Many thanks!
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 3773	Posted - 2014.01.08 03:28:00 - [17] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: I think you are vastly overstating the potential impact of these bonuses. Mind you I could be wrong, it has happened before, but I feel like with the extremely short TTK the extra HP the Cal and Gal assaults are getting will only give them a couple of ticks more life span. The Amarr assault looks like it could be an armor beast though since it will essentially have a proto rep module installed without needed to actually run one. The loss of the heat reduction bonus is a sad counterpoint to this though since it is perhaps the only assault bonus that actually makes sense. Good thing none of these ideas are set in stone. First off, it's my own opinion, I'm not trying to get anyone to agree with me. Honestly, with a Minmatar Logi repping them, those Commandos will be CrAzY Logi ak.0 Best Logi :D
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 2697	Posted - 2014.01.08 03:30:00 - [18] - Quote LuckyLuke Wargan wrote: Commando suit is a heavy suit, I think that's good as long as the shield regen stay slow as it is now. Edit: Too bad I'm alread invested in the Ammar one, for that one I stil hope for a shield regen boost. NO!!!!!!! The commando desperately needs a shield regen buff!!!!!! It currently takes 40 seconds for my proto commando to go from 0-400 shields!!!!! 40 SECONDS!!!!!!!! Proud member of the Commando 6 <3 Commando AK.0
LEHON Xeon Pradox XVI 20	Posted - 2014.01.08 03:31:00 - [19] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Commando wise? I'm as happy as a duck in water :D Logi wise? I'm flipping pi$$ed!!!!! >:( Right with ya on that one. With these new bonuses, logi is not even anywhere recognizable to what it was. I wasn't just a slayer logi either. I made myself formidable in a firefight but I also did an active logi role with healing people at times and using hives and uplinks. TBH if they wouldn't have gotten rid of my passive armor repair bonus, I'd probably still use it if everything else stayed identical to current. If Walking Is So Good For You, Then Why Does My Mailman Look Like Jabba The Hut?
LuckyLuke Wargan HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 265	Posted - 2014.01.08 03:35:00 - [20] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Commando wise? I'm as happy as a duck in water :D Logi wise? I'm flipping pi$$ed!!!!! >:( Just checked your signature link, you guys till run the "commando squadron" channel? As a commando myself I 'd love to add that channel to my list... Though my Swarms I use with it just got hit by the nerf hammer... hopefully it will be buffed again next built. "Cry HavoK!, and let slip the dogs of war!" -Medical/Intel Logibro and Swarm Commando-

Oswald Rehnquist 1000	Posted - 2014.01.08 03:35:00 - [21] - Quote No logis? If there will be no logis after the changes, there were no logis before the changes as they were just logisalts, which was 50-70% of the entire population of dust. Also scouts haven't seen love since Chrom, and a little just recently with the removal of auto detection by installation and objectives, we are used to crying, this isn't new. Good on the Commando/Sentinels though, was about time. Below 28 dB
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 2700	Posted - 2014.01.08 03:39:00 - [22] - Quote LuckyLuke Wargan wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Commando wise? I'm as happy as a duck in water :D Logi wise? I'm flipping pi$$ed!!!!! >:( Just checked your signature link, you guys till run the "commando squadron" channel? As a commando myself I 'd love to add that channel to my list... Though my Swarms I use with it just got hit by the nerf hammer... hopefully it will be buffed again next built. Yup, I'm always in the channel and so are several others :) The more the merrier, hope to see you there o7 Proud member of the Commando 6 <3 Commando AK.0
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 3777	Posted - 2014.01.08 03:42:00 - [23] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: No logis? If there will be no logis after the changes, there were no logis before the changes as they were just logisalts, which was 50-70% of the entire population of dust. Also scouts haven't seen love since Chrom, and a little just recently with the removal of auto detection by installation and objectives, we are used to crying, this isn't new. Good on the Commando/Sentinels though, was about time. Meh QW1hcnIgTG9naSBGVFc=
LuckyLuke Wargan HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 268	Posted - 2014.01.08 03:43:00 - [24] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: LuckyLuke Wargan wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Commando wise? I'm as happy as a duck in water :D Logi wise? I'm flipping pi$$ed!!!!! >:( Just checked your signature link, you guys till run the "commando squadron" channel? As a commando myself I 'd love to add that channel to my list... Though my Swarms I use with it just got hit by the nerf hammer... hopefully it will be buffed again next built. Yup, I'm always in the channel and so are several others :) The more the merrier, hope to see you there o7 Awesome. "Cry HavoK!, and let slip the dogs of war!" -Medical/Intel Logibro and Swarm Commando-
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 323	Posted - 2014.01.08 03:44:00 - [25] - Quote I agree, basically the amarrian assault suit is crap now: Now heat build-up will even further nerf the laser rifle, and the SCR just went from ok to utter crap. Also the RoF thing is just stupid. Most weapons as they are now only benefit turbo controllers, and with this change they will only benefit turbo controllers. to max out DPS with the 10% RoF buff: CR 7.3333 trigger pulss per second (only a select few can spam this fast) SCR 12.95 trigger pulls per second (not possible without a turbo controller) TAR ~ 7.33 trigger pulls per second This RoF increase serves only to benefit fully automatic weapons and turbo controller users. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
LEHON Xeon Pradox XVI 21	Posted - 2014.01.08 03:48:00 - [26] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: No logis? If there will be no logis after the changes, there were no logis before the changes as they were just logisalts, which was 50-70% of the entire population of dust. Also scouts haven't seen love since Chrom, and a little just recently with the removal of auto detection by installation and objectives, we are used to crying, this isn't new. Good on the Commando/Sentinels though, was about time. There, I'll give you your 1000th like Yes, logis will only further diminish and people will have to become even more self-sufficient minded. If Walking Is So Good For You, Then Why Does My Mailman Look Like Jabba The Hut?
Aero Yassavi Yassavi House 4413	Posted - 2014.01.08 03:48:00 - [27] - Quote Yay, more people for the Commando Squadron channel! Also to all those who think the Commando shield recharge rate of 10 hp/s is acceptable, this is for you. CCP said that they are also changing some of the base stats and slot layouts of some suits, so hopefully that bares well for the Commando shield regen. In the meantime, I'd recommend all my commando buddies out there to use shield energizers. Yes it takes away some of your total shield, but if your recharge rate is at 10 you'll never have that extra shield recharged anyways. It's a good way to provide some quick extra shield regen. If you stack two on the proto Commando you can even get in the 25-30 range. It's a bird! It's a plane! No, it's Super Amarr!
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 3780	Posted - 2014.01.08 03:58:00 - [28] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: CCP said that they are also changing some of the base stats and slot layouts of some suits So my Logi suit will suck even more if they change it? QW1hcnIgTG9naSBGVFc=
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6310	Posted - 2014.01.08 03:59:00 - [29] - Quote Before you judge, please read the following. This is very important. By your fellow CPM member. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134344&find=unread OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 3780	Posted - 2014.01.08 04:01:00 - [30] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Before you judge, please read the following. This is very important. By your fellow CPM member. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134344&find=unread The fact that some of these ideas would even be considered is reason enough for me to get pissed off. QW1hcnIgTG9naSBGVFc=

Logi Bro Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 2580	Posted - 2014.01.08 04:03:00 - [31] - Quote Sounds to me like TTK will increase dramatically. I have yet to see any scout bonuses posted (if there are any please link) and for all you or I know, they are getting -20% scan profile per level, making them literally impossible to scan. No, I am not CCP Logibro. Not actually a Logi Bro anymore, more like a Big Bro.
Logi Stician The Vanguardians INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 132	Posted - 2014.01.08 04:05:00 - [32] - Quote This kind of comes at a good time for me personally, because I had been away for a few months and scanners are my new favorite logi toys, outside of reppers. And boy howdy, I'd love to see four equipment slots on a Gal. adv. suit. I know it's never gonna happen, but a guy can dream.
LEHON Xeon Pradox XVI 21	Posted - 2014.01.08 04:08:00 - [33] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: CCP said that they are also changing some of the base stats and slot layouts of some suits So my Logi suit will suck even more if they change it? That has been my big concern as well. What is the slot amount and pg/cpu change? Increase or decrease? That to me is even more essential than racial or logi class bonuses. Without that specific slot prerequisite and exact cpu/pg levels logi suits can quickly become obsolete. Planting support items is completely useless if you can't clear the area first or get killed immediately when you first select them to put them down. If Walking Is So Good For You, Then Why Does My Mailman Look Like Jabba The Hut?
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6310	Posted - 2014.01.08 04:10:00 - [34] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Before you judge, please read the following. This is very important. By your fellow CPM member. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134344&find=unread The fact that some of these ideas would even be considered is reason enough for me to get pissed off. Which is why CCP shares them with us first so that we can tell them that some of these ideas are bad. Otherwise, you'll get even more pissed off if CCP were to NOT tell you this before deployment. PS: They did the same thing with vehicle stats before 1.7. We pointed out some flaws, then CCP corrected them just before deployment. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Denn Maell PIanet Express 39	Posted - 2014.01.08 05:28:00 - [35] - Quote Okay, so the month of the heavies is coming. Good repping business, but the minlogis will get a ridiculous buff to the rep tool that I wanted. Commandos will burn through ammo fast, but caldari will out-supply (and rep) me with their nano hive bonus. I'm honestly torn between my much awaited GalHeavy and possibly jumping ship to Minmatar. I feel like Gallente Logi's been nerfed in a way. Our racial bonus was changed to something that everyone now has, and we're left with a bonus to scan toolsGÇªuseful though that may be (and I usually find a place in my tool belt for it) the Logi's tool of choice has to be the repper with its guardian points. Whether or not a skill respect happens I expect to spend a lot of time staring at the skills page if any of this does happenGÇª
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 503	Posted - 2014.01.08 05:57:00 - [36] - Quote Denn Maell wrote: Okay, so the month of the heavies is coming. Good repping business, but the minlogis will get a ridiculous buff to the rep tool that I wanted. Commandos will burn through ammo fast, but caldari will out-supply (and rep) me with their nano hive bonus. I'm honestly torn between my much awaited GalHeavy and possibly jumping ship to Minmatar. I feel like Gallente Logi's been nerfed in a way. Our racial bonus was changed to something that everyone now has, and we're left with a bonus to scan toolsGÇªuseful though that may be (and I usually find a place in my tool belt for it) the Logi's tool of choice has to be the repper with its guardian points. Whether or not a skill respect happens I expect to spend a lot of time staring at the skills page if any of this does happenGÇª You aren't losing any effectiveness to the repair tool...it'll function the same them as it does now. The Gal logi would only lose passive rep. I know that sucks for logis but that was probably a necessity. But you also gain a bonus to scanners, you don't HAVE use it but it's there. The scanner would now scan at 21Db, meaning no medium suit can avoid it and even the most dampened scouts will struggle to get below.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines 1994	Posted - 2014.01.08 06:50:00 - [37] - Quote INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Caldari Assaults running around with 600+ Sheilds Gallente Assaults crawling around with 800+ Armor No Logis Caldari Commandos carrying dual Rail Rifles (gotta go full tryhard mode ) with 800+ HP Unstoppable Heavies Scouts crying in corners I guess I'll be speccing into Minmatar Logi AND Caldari Assault. When I'm starting to get pissed off about those Commandos, I'll just pull out my Minny Logi and follow around one of my fat friends. /rant Discuss. Where are the new bonuses listed? Its all a hypothetical hype mate, ccp snipped some suggested stats and so everyone's gone mad. Its hilarious. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 756	Posted - 2014.01.08 07:23:00 - [38] - Quote Like 600+shield even matters PFFFT, shield melts pathetically fast, caldari assaults will still be useless. Only reason to use them is ROF bonus w/ damage mods for rail rifles. Now 900armor galassaults are another story. That's "MR." Pothead to you.
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1363	Posted - 2014.01.08 07:48:00 - [39] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: I think you are vastly overstating the potential impact of these bonuses. Mind you I could be wrong, it has happened before, but I feel like with the extremely short TTK the extra HP the Cal and Gal assaults are getting will only give them a couple of ticks more life span. The Amarr assault looks like it could be an armor beast though since it will essentially have a proto rep module installed without needed to actually run one. The loss of the heat reduction bonus is a sad counterpoint to this though since it is perhaps the only assault bonus that actually makes sense. Good thing none of these ideas are set in stone. Except for the part where you don't get any reps if you don't have a module installed that actually reps to get your new assault suit bonus from? So now we NEED to use a repper or haul around a useless bonus. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Bunny Demon Scions of Athra 55	Posted - 2014.01.08 07:58:00 - [40] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: I think you are vastly overstating the potential impact of these bonuses. Mind you I could be wrong, it has happened before, but I feel like with the extremely short TTK the extra HP the Cal and Gal assaults are getting will only give them a couple of ticks more life span. The Amarr assault looks like it could be an armor beast though since it will essentially have a proto rep module installed without needed to actually run one. The loss of the heat reduction bonus is a sad counterpoint to this though since it is perhaps the only assault bonus that actually makes sense. Good thing none of these ideas are set in stone. The amarr bonus is to repper efficiency so it only does anything if you have an armour rep on your suit IT IS NOT A PASSIVE REP like the current logi but it is the same as the current amarr logi racial bonus So if you have 1 complex rep it will be about 8hp/s instead of 6.25 with just rep skills Amarr logi ftw :D (Also...ScR is pretty good)



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