DUST Search - To all of you panicking about your scrambler rifles

Mordecai Sanguine wrote:

Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:

Last I checked I get murdered in 2 to 3 shots by these no matter what suit they are on. Last I checked they have the highest alpha out of any rifle, they fire as fast as you can pull the trigger, you rarely have to reload them, and when you do they have the fastest reload out of all rifles.

Soooo...

calm down.

They don't shoot as fast as you pull the trigger they have big burst of damage but really short.
They overheat in 10 shots so spam it and you're stunned during 6-7 sec without being able to run shoot or change weapon/equipements (Death.).
They have 20% less damage on armor and armor is actually REALLY BIGGER than shield.
So you get 20% less damage on almost every ennemy.

And Finally they take more than TWICE more PG than others rifles.
This is a weapons who takes 11 PG at STANDARD LEVEL.
Even your proto weapons takes less PG/CPU than a standard scrambler.

Now stop whining about what's killing you if you don't have objective opinion. (Rage thread).
Give REAL opinion from someone that USED the weapon and all the weapon of the category.
And if you have been killed in 3 shots by an Scrambler rifle then it means you have less than 300 ehp and EVERYTHING in shield and it was proto rifle WITH damagers or proficiency.

Assault Rifle fires twelve and a half shot in ONE second.
Combat Rifle fires 5 shot in less than one second.
Rail Rifle fires 7.5 shot per second with the carge up spool.
NOBODY can hit the trigger 12 time in one second or even 7.5 shot.

RoF is REALLY lower than others rifle.

The only thing we could do to the scrambler rifle without making useless (If the weapon need to overheat before killing someone that's useless.) it would be to make the magazine lower (20-25).

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Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2570	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:08:00 - [1] - Quote Last I checked I get murdered in 2 to 3 shots by these no matter what suit they are on. Last I checked they have the highest alpha out of any rifle, they fire as fast as you can pull the trigger, you rarely have to reload them, and when you do they have the fastest reload out of all rifles. Soooo... calm down. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
mr musturd 0uter.Heaven 208	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:09:00 - [2] - Quote I get one shotted
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1531	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:11:00 - [3] - Quote Noo never I'm pissed that this is even being considered. "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2570	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:11:00 - [4] - Quote mr musturd wrote: I get one shotted So now they can only murder 3 scouts in quick succession instead of a full squad. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7875	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:19:00 - [5] - Quote Last I checked alpha damage isn't everything, a sniper rifle can one-shot kill someone depending on the suit, but if the sniper rifle got nerfed It would still be unjustified. Last I checked, the ROF of automatic weapons was much higher than as-fast-as-you-can-pull-the-trigger speed, so I'm not sure why you even mentioned that. Last I checked, the scrambler rifle overheats after 15 or so shots, or even after just a small handful of shots if it was a charge shot, and you can't kill a medium suit in 2 or 3 shots without charging (charging is a risk, and puts all your eggs in one basket, if you miss you're screwed). Last I checked, the time it takes to charge the high alpha damage shot, another rifle could have already killed someone. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 7615	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:21:00 - [6] - Quote I'd just like to point out that my boundless CR has 1000 dps when properly fit. The SCR exceeds that, on paper - if you can tap the trigger insanely fast, which most people can't, in which case it doesn't. Oh, and my CR doesn't overheat. You also shield tank Minmatar assault/scout. Of course you get killed quickly by anti-shield weaponry in flimsy shield suits. Level 7 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1302	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:21:00 - [7] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Last I checked I get murdered in 2 to 3 shots by these no matter what suit they are on. Last I checked they have the highest alpha out of any rifle, they fire as fast as you can pull the trigger, you rarely have to reload them, and when you do they have the fastest reload out of all rifles. Soooo... calm down. Why do you only have 250ish health? Unless you are a scout, you should have more by default. If you are a scout, alpha damage will wreck you, regardless, so don't complain about your counter. Fizzer94 // Level 1 Forum Warrior // Hello, world!
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 253	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:35:00 - [8] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Last I checked I get murdered in 2 to 3 shots by these no matter what suit they are on. Last I checked they have the highest alpha out of any rifle, they fire as fast as you can pull the trigger, you rarely have to reload them, and when you do they have the fastest reload out of all rifles. Soooo... calm down. They don't shoot as fast as you pull the trigger they have big burst of damage but really short. They overheat in 10 shots so spam it and you're stunned during 6-7 sec without being able to run shoot or change weapon/equipements (Death.). They have 20% less damage on armor and armor is actually REALLY BIGGER than shield. So you get 20% less damage on almost every ennemy. And Finally they take more than TWICE more PG than others rifles. This is a weapons who takes 11 PG at STANDARD LEVEL. Even your proto weapons takes less PG/CPU than a standard scrambler. Now stop whining about what's killing you if you don't have objective opinion. (Rage thread). Give REAL opinion from someone that USED the weapon and all the weapon of the category. And if you have been killed in 3 shots by an Scrambler rifle then it means you have less than 300 ehp and EVERYTHING in shield and it was proto rifle WITH damagers or proficiency. Assault Rifle fires twelve and a half shot in ONE second. Combat Rifle fires 5 shot in less than one second. Rail Rifle fires 7.5 shot per second with the carge up spool. NOBODY can hit the trigger 12 time in one second or even 7.5 shot. RoF is REALLY lower than others rifle. The only thing we could do to the scrambler rifle without making useless (If the weapon need to overheat before killing someone that's useless.) it would be to make the magazine lower (20-25).
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2571	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:40:00 - [9] - Quote Sorry guys but I have to say this: Most of you I see don't actually run it with Amarr and murder people like crazy. I run it on my minmatar assault and murder people like crazy. Most people I see run it on goddamn logi suits. It kills people. The suit losing its bonus doesn't make the weapon useless so stop acting like it does. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7877	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:43:00 - [10] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Sorry guys but I have to say this: Most of you I see don't actually run it with Amarr and murder people like crazy. I run it on my minmatar assault and murder people like crazy. Most people I see run it on goddamn logi suits. It kills people. The suit losing its bonus doesn't make the weapon useless so stop acting like it does. It certainly doesn't make it useless, but its still an unnecessary nerf. Especially when all automatic rifles are getting a buff through the new general assault bonus. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+

Aisha Ctarl Ctarl - Ctarl Empire 2734	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:44:00 - [11] - Quote BURN JITA! Aisha Ctarl for CPM1
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 1165	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:49:00 - [12] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Last I checked I get murdered in 2 to 3 shots by these no matter what suit they are on. Last I checked they have the highest alpha out of any rifle, they fire as fast as you can pull the trigger, you rarely have to reload them, and when you do they have the fastest reload out of all rifles. Soooo... calm down. They don't shoot as fast as you pull the trigger they have big burst of damage but really short. They overheat in 10 shots so spam it and you're stunned during 6-7 sec without being able to run shoot or change weapon/equipements (Death.). They have 20% less damage on armor and armor is actually REALLY BIGGER than shield. So you get 20% less damage on almost every ennemy. And Finally they take more than TWICE more PG than others rifles. This is a weapons who takes 11 PG at STANDARD LEVEL. Even your proto weapons takes less PG/CPU than a standard scrambler. Now stop whining about what's killing you if you don't have objective opinion. (Rage thread). Give REAL opinion from someone that USED the weapon and all the weapon of the category. And if you have been killed in 3 shots by an Scrambler rifle then it means you have less than 300 ehp and EVERYTHING in shield and it was proto rifle WITH damagers or proficiency. Assault Rifle fires twelve and a half shot in ONE second. Combat Rifle fires 5 shot in less than one second. Rail Rifle fires 7.5 shot per second with the carge up spool. NOBODY can hit the trigger 12 time in one second or even 7.5 shot. RoF is REALLY lower than others rifle. The only thing we could do to the scrambler rifle without making useless (If the weapon need to overheat before killing someone that's useless.) it would be to make the magazine lower (20-25). yeah just thought i'd tell you how invalid this pointless (albeit well constructed) defense of scrambler rifles. it DOES in fact fire as fast as you can pull the trigger. if you can fire faster than 700 rpm, then you're using a modded controller, end of story. and no matter how you try to defend your precious little scrambler, the fact of the matter is that it WRECKS anything in front of it, shield and armor alike. and i can GUARANTEE you i've seen CK.0s and GK.0s wreck with it just as good as an amarr assault. i do believe that respecs should be warranted because of the suit. there are people who have built their entire build around that bonus, and to take it away with a respec would take out the reason they skilled into the suit. Anime > EVERYTHING
Aero Yassavi Yassavi House 4388	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:50:00 - [13] - Quote I'm moreso upset that the Amarr Assault is getting a racial bonus for something that doesn't really apply to us. Armor repair module efficiency? You kidding me? Amarr assaults suits don't have enough modules to take advantage of that. If you're going to take advantage of that, you need to put at least two of them. That leaves the advanced suit with no room for armor plates and the proto suit only gets one slot for armor plates. This means in order to get some tanking in you have to shield tank. So Amarr Assault suits will be shield tankers with a soft but semi-fast regenerating armor inner layer. I mean, maybe it could work but it sounds bad. It's a bird! It's a plane! No, it's Super Amarr!
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2571	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:51:00 - [14] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: I'm moreso upset that the Amarr Assault is getting a racial bonus for something that doesn't really apply to us. Armor repair module efficiency? You kidding me? Amarr assaults suits don't have enough modules to take advantage of that. If you're going to take advantage of that, you need to put at least two of them. That leaves the advanced suit with no room for armor plates and the proto suit only gets one slot for armor plates. This means in order to get some tanking in you have to shield tank. So Amarr Assault suits will be shield tankers with a soft but semi-fast regenerating armor inner layer. I mean, maybe it could work but it sounds bad. Reasonable gripe. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Izlare Lenix FREE AGENTS LP 87	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:54:00 - [15] - Quote I use the CRW on Caldari assault suit all the time and was actually about to train Amarr assault to get the heat reduction bonus as I was tired of overheating. If I land my charged shot I can kill most enemies quickly. If I miss my charged shot I switch to sidearm immediately as I'm tired of my gun seizing up and getting me killed. Even without charged shot I can only fire 15 times before overheat. That might kill 2-3 enemies if I don't miss any shoots and they aren't armor brick tanked. And who isn't armor brick tanked these days. Scouts? They die fast to all weapons anyways.
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 524	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:57:00 - [16] - Quote Firstly, whats brought this up? Secondly, combat rifle reloads faster. Third, I dont know about assault suits, but that overheat gets in the way. So yeah, is something being changed? I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 1551	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:58:00 - [17] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Last I checked I get murdered in 2 to 3 shots by these no matter what suit they are on. Last I checked they have the highest alpha out of any rifle, they fire as fast as you can pull the trigger, you rarely have to reload them, and when you do they have the fastest reload out of all rifles. Soooo... calm down. Why do you only have 250ish health? Unless you are a scout, you should have more by default. If you are a scout, alpha damage will wreck you, regardless, so don't complain about your counter. Uh, everything is a counter to a scout. Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57 Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 1552	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:00:00 - [18] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: I'm moreso upset that the Amarr Assault is getting a racial bonus for something that doesn't really apply to us. Armor repair module efficiency? You kidding me? Amarr assaults suits don't have enough modules to take advantage of that. If you're going to take advantage of that, you need to put at least two of them. That leaves the advanced suit with no room for armor plates and the proto suit only gets one slot for armor plates. This means in order to get some tanking in you have to shield tank. So Amarr Assault suits will be shield tankers with a soft but semi-fast regenerating armor inner layer. I mean, maybe it could work but it sounds bad. Reasonable gripe. They need to flip the Amarr and Gallente bonuses. Amarr should armor tank. Gallente should Rep tank, and rely on their amazing base Armor and multiple low slots to run a solid, regenerative tank. Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57 Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 7626	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:01:00 - [19] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: I'm moreso upset that the Amarr Assault is getting a racial bonus for something that doesn't really apply to us. Armor repair module efficiency? You kidding me? Amarr assaults suits don't have enough modules to take advantage of that. If you're going to take advantage of that, you need to put at least two of them. That leaves the advanced suit with no room for armor plates and the proto suit only gets one slot for armor plates. This means in order to get some tanking in you have to shield tank. So Amarr Assault suits will be shield tankers with a soft but semi-fast regenerating armor inner layer. I mean, maybe it could work but it sounds bad. Reasonable gripe. They need to flip the Amarr and Gallente bonuses. Amarr should armor tank. Gallente should Rep tank, and rely on their amazing base Armor and multiple low slots to run a solid, regenerative tank. Yep yep. Level 7 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2572	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:05:00 - [20] - Quote Spademan wrote: Firstly, whats brought this up? Secondly, combat rifle reloads faster. Third, I dont know about assault suits, but that overheat gets in the way. So yeah, is something being changed? Base SCR reload is 2.5 Base CR reload is 2.6 Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.

Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1489	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:09:00 - [21] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Last I checked alpha damage isn't everything, a sniper rifle can one-shot kill someone depending on the suit, but if the sniper rifle got nerfed It would still be unjustified. Last I checked, the ROF of automatic weapons was much higher than as-fast-as-you-can-pull-the-trigger speed, so I'm not sure why you even mentioned that. Last I checked, the scrambler rifle overheats after 15 or so shots, or even after just a small handful of shots if it was a charge shot, and you can't kill a medium suit in 2 or 3 shots without charging (charging is a risk, and puts all your eggs in one basket, if you miss you're screwed). Last I checked, the time it takes to charge the high alpha damage shot, another rifle could have already killed someone. And what is the average damage per shot? 60? 15+ù60 = 900 it's not that bad. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 7626	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:09:00 - [22] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Spademan wrote: Firstly, whats brought this up? Secondly, combat rifle reloads faster. Third, I dont know about assault suits, but that overheat gets in the way. So yeah, is something being changed? Base SCR reload is 2.5 Base CR reload is 2.6 Overheat seizure is 5 seconds. It also does damage. Level 7 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 7626	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:10:00 - [23] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Last I checked alpha damage isn't everything, a sniper rifle can one-shot kill someone depending on the suit, but if the sniper rifle got nerfed It would still be unjustified. Last I checked, the ROF of automatic weapons was much higher than as-fast-as-you-can-pull-the-trigger speed, so I'm not sure why you even mentioned that. Last I checked, the scrambler rifle overheats after 15 or so shots, or even after just a small handful of shots if it was a charge shot, and you can't kill a medium suit in 2 or 3 shots without charging (charging is a risk, and puts all your eggs in one basket, if you miss you're screwed). Last I checked, the time it takes to charge the high alpha damage shot, another rifle could have already killed someone. And what is the average damage per shot? 60? 15+ù60 = 900 it's not that bad. Try 90. A bit more if damage modded enough. Level 7 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2575	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:12:00 - [24] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Spademan wrote: Firstly, whats brought this up? Secondly, combat rifle reloads faster. Third, I dont know about assault suits, but that overheat gets in the way. So yeah, is something being changed? Base SCR reload is 2.5 Base CR reload is 2.6 Overheat seizure is 5 seconds. It also does damage. Which will now make this weapon slightly less infurating to fight against in CQC because you can force an Amarr assault to overheat just like everyone else. if they don't melt you within the first few shots. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7880	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:12:00 - [25] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Last I checked alpha damage isn't everything, a sniper rifle can one-shot kill someone depending on the suit, but if the sniper rifle got nerfed It would still be unjustified. Last I checked, the ROF of automatic weapons was much higher than as-fast-as-you-can-pull-the-trigger speed, so I'm not sure why you even mentioned that. Last I checked, the scrambler rifle overheats after 15 or so shots, or even after just a small handful of shots if it was a charge shot, and you can't kill a medium suit in 2 or 3 shots without charging (charging is a risk, and puts all your eggs in one basket, if you miss you're screwed). Last I checked, the time it takes to charge the high alpha damage shot, another rifle could have already killed someone. And what is the average damage per shot? 60? 15+ù60 = 900 it's not that bad. 34 x 60 = 2040, this is for the AR. 900 is not impressive by comparison. Other rifles just have to reload, the SCR paralyzes you from sprinting and switching weapons; basically a death sentence. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3169	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:12:00 - [26] - Quote mr musturd wrote: I get one shotted This ^^^ A while back, I played about 5-6 matches with you in it. All I had was a basic SCR and 1 Enhanced Light Damage Mod and I was 1-4 shotting pretty much everything. Heck, my only 3 deaths came from an OB, you sneaking up behind me, and me overheating trying to match your strafe speed. But yeah, it's not the strongest rifle at all. CoD -----> <----- WoT Please AR and Tank scrubs, go to your respective games. Leave DUST alone!
Greasepalms Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 404	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:13:00 - [27] - Quote tbh I think the ScR will be fine without the Amarr bonus. It's the laser rifle I'm worried about, poor thing will go from endangered to extinct come these changes.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 7626	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:14:00 - [28] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Spademan wrote: Firstly, whats brought this up? Secondly, combat rifle reloads faster. Third, I dont know about assault suits, but that overheat gets in the way. So yeah, is something being changed? Base SCR reload is 2.5 Base CR reload is 2.6 Overheat seizure is 5 seconds. It also does damage. Which will now make this weapon slightly less infurating to fight against in CQC because you can force an Amarr assault to overheat just like everyone else. Of course it's infuriating for you to fight in CQC. It is your hardest counter. An anti-shield, high alpha weapon against a low HP ceiling shielded suit. I do not see the problem with this. Level 7 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
Shruikan Iceeye 0uter.Heaven 139	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:14:00 - [29] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Sorry guys but I have to say this: Most of you I see don't actually run it with Amarr and murder people like crazy. I run it on my minmatar assault and murder people like crazy. Most people I see run it on goddamn logi suits. It kills people. The suit losing its bonus doesn't make the weapon useless so stop acting like it does. In a competitive setting, the "new" bonuses make the scrambler nearly useless. Without the ability to use a charge shot and a a few follow up shots the RR outclasses it in every way. That Pretty Motherfucker
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2575	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:14:00 - [30] - Quote Greasepalms wrote: tbh I think the ScR will be fine without the Amarr bonus. It's the laser rifle I'm worried about, poor thing will go from endangered to extinct come these changes. True story. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.



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