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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.01.04 08:49:00 -
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Nitrobeacon wrote:Considering how powerful other guns are, I think it needs some buffing.
It's a heavy weapon, packing lots of mechanisms. It needs extreme dps and the necessary fear factor. I'd say buffing along the lines of damage and increasing the range a bit.
For damage I'd say increase the standard variant to 30 damage per shot
The range should be similar to the combat rifle.
I was talking to a few people who think more along the same lines but they didn't want a range increase but a damage increase is needed and me myself , think along the same lines where the prototype has at least 30 damage and the advance has 28 with the basic at 26 .
If you can get smoked by a boundless combat rifle , like I did and yes it is a prototype but having an HMG and being a heavy , while at close range there should be NO other gun that should dominate the HMG in CQC and right now , granted it did and is better but NO one can say that right now .
The answer is not " get some skills " either . Why must you people continue to insult those who give an analysis , I mean we are testers and this is his finding . Everyone does not have the same results but that's no reason to discredit this person and also act disrespectful .
If he was talking about cloaking or hoverboards or drones , all of you would be right on board with whatever he had to say . We know that you have CCP's back but they are not perfect by a long shot and a lot of the weapons need work ( All the swarms have the same damage no matter if it's basic , advance or prototype , the RR , CR and the SR all need work done to them . The only thing that was remotely done right was the range nerf to the AR . ) so this should not be a surprise .
" BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
281
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Posted - 2014.01.04 09:05:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:The Heavy suit is fine the HMG is great in 1 situation the combination of the two makes it laughable. I read thread after thread saying the HMG is is in a great place. Yes after the months of absolute crap its better.
To say its balanced? To what? Rifles got a huge range buff, and we all know like half the frickin map range.
But HMG's got their actual cone of fire back to what it was always supposed to be, and we are saying oh the HMG is great now?
I can say playing a heavy for an entire pub match is like wearing huge weights around your ankles and wearing such dark glasses you can only see 40-50meters in front of you with a great big old sign that says shoot me here in my balloon head I'm a big target. Great stay in your hallway mole, you are right where you should,be says the rifle players.
I applaud any heavy that can say they dominate, much respect. However i can dominate you with my rifle 98% of the time in your cqc optimal range, if I can't I can run away and drop a hive and stay out of your range, and if you happen to show your Zeppelin head out of the dark hallway and try to run to another location I can pick you off from way far away and giggle as you turn around like a dog that has poo stuck on its tail, looking around in hopes that you could actually fire back at me.
Heavy HMG can not dictate their optimal fight zone every other suit can dicatate how they own you, or just plain out wait you.
Is the HmG powerful in CQC yes. Is it fun to play against ranged rifles on most of the maps? You decide I prefer smashing heavies in cqc being able to run away if need be, able to drop a hive to repairs/reload and just plain have a smaller hit box.
As a die hard heavy/HMG player it is completely out classed in every way since aim assist and TTK were introduced.
Agreed but these people just don't understand . They will give you every excuse under the sun like drive a LAV and don't walk or add kin cats or anything but admit that there is a problem . I am specking into HMG's now because when the racial suits come out , when ever that will be , I will be a Heavy along with my other roles so I'm trying to get some practice right now but to say that everything is fine is not true . The suits are imbalanced not just the heavy , shield extenders now have a penalty which is wrong , swarm launchers are now a skill point sink because it doesn't matter if it's basic or prototype they all have the same damage and a screwed up range nerf .
Go ahead people keep up the good work waiting and insulting those who give needed feedback . You might just get the game that YOU want because it will be all yours while everyone else would have moved on to greener pastures . Trust me , someone will make a game that will unseat Dust 514 if the right changes are not made , they are working on that right now and anyone with ANY type of business since would feed off of the disgruntled masses that have and do play this game . It might be sooner than even I think .
Keep up the good work those who like to insult because like now that is getting nothing done but maybe that's just what most of you like .
" BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
281
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Posted - 2014.01.04 09:13:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote: Its allready the best CQC weapon
Umm that would be the shotgun . It can floor a heavy in three shots .
" BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
2789
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Posted - 2014.01.04 09:16:00 -
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Nitrobeacon wrote:Considering how powerful other guns are, I think it needs some buffing.
It's a heavy weapon, packing lots of mechanisms. It needs extreme dps and the necessary fear factor. I'd say buffing along the lines of damage and increasing the range a bit.
For damage I'd say increase the standard variant to 30 damage per shot
The range should be similar to the combat rifle.
I think the CQC capabilities of weapons I won't name here are a greater concern. That is the real issue plaguing the HMG & other weapons.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
5301
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Posted - 2014.01.04 09:43:00 -
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Dude. Just accept that you suck and need a crutch.
The HMG is perfect right now, don't mess with it.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Tuna > Tacos
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
5301
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Posted - 2014.01.04 09:47:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:The Heavy suit is fine the HMG is great in 1 situation the combination of the two makes it laughable. I read thread after thread saying the HMG is is in a great place. Yes after the months of absolute crap its better.
To say its balanced? To what? Rifles got a huge range buff, and we all know like half the frickin map range.
But HMG's got their actual cone of fire back to what it was always supposed to be, and we are saying oh the HMG is great now?
I can say playing a heavy for an entire pub match is like wearing huge weights around your ankles and wearing such dark glasses you can only see 40-50meters in front of you with a great big old sign that says shoot me here in my balloon head I'm a big target. Great stay in your hallway mole, you are right where you should be, says the rifle players.
I applaud any heavy that can say they dominate, much respect. However i can dominate you with my rifle 98% of the time in your cqc optimal range, if I can't I can run away and drop a hive and stay out of your range, and if you happen to show your Zeppelin head out of the dark hallway and try to run to another location I can pick you off from way far away and giggle as you turn around like a dog that has poo stuck on its tail, looking around in hopes that you could actually fire back at me.
Heavy HMG can not dictate their optimal fight zone every other suit can dicatate how they own you, or just plain out wait you.
Is the HmG powerful in CQC yes. Is it fun to play against ranged rifles on most of the maps? You decide? I prefer smashing heavies in cqc being able to run away if need be, able to drop a hive to repairs/reload/RE's@uplinks and just plain have a smaller hit box.
As a die hard heavy/HMG player it is completely out classed in every way since aim assist and TTK were introduced. Sorry, can't hear you over the 7 proto suits I killed running away from me upstairs
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Tuna > Tacos
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Lorhak Gannarsein
1121
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Posted - 2014.01.04 09:52:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:HowDidThatTaste wrote:The Heavy suit is fine the HMG is great in 1 situation the combination of the two makes it laughable. I read thread after thread saying the HMG is is in a great place. Yes after the months of absolute crap its better.
To say its balanced? To what? Rifles got a huge range buff, and we all know like half the frickin map range.
But HMG's got their actual cone of fire back to what it was always supposed to be, and we are saying oh the HMG is great now?
I can say playing a heavy for an entire pub match is like wearing huge weights around your ankles and wearing such dark glasses you can only see 40-50meters in front of you with a great big old sign that says shoot me here in my balloon head I'm a big target. Great stay in your hallway mole, you are right where you should be, says the rifle players.
I applaud any heavy that can say they dominate, much respect. However i can dominate you with my rifle 98% of the time in your cqc optimal range, if I can't I can run away and drop a hive and stay out of your range, and if you happen to show your Zeppelin head out of the dark hallway and try to run to another location I can pick you off from way far away and giggle as you turn around like a dog that has poo stuck on its tail, looking around in hopes that you could actually fire back at me.
Heavy HMG can not dictate their optimal fight zone every other suit can dicatate how they own you, or just plain out wait you.
Is the HmG powerful in CQC yes. Is it fun to play against ranged rifles on most of the maps? You decide? I prefer smashing heavies in cqc being able to run away if need be, able to drop a hive to repairs/reload/RE's@uplinks and just plain have a smaller hit box.
As a die hard heavy/HMG player it is completely out classed in every way since aim assist and TTK were introduced. Sorry, can't hear you over the 7 proto suits I killed running away from me upstairs
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My BPO heavy suit has breathed new life into this game for me. Might go glue on a damage mod for some more supercheap pwnage.
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lok rark
StealthSquad
27
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Posted - 2014.01.04 09:55:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein
You f@cked me up good HMG one night bro... I tried to hunt You down MH82 and sentinel A/1 but you slaughtered me. Alot.
Well done...
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Arx Ardashir
Imperium Aeternum
329
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Posted - 2014.01.04 10:00:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: shield extenders now have a penalty which is wrong Why is it wrong for shield extenders to have a penalty? If you're going to say it's because they provide less HP than plates do, I'll counter with they also regen a lot faster and require no module to do so, while armor requires either a mod or a specific suit to have any sort of regen.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:swarm launchers are now a skill point sink because it doesn't matter if it's basic or prototype they all have the same damage and a screwed up range nerf. The difference between Swarm launcher tiers is the number of missiles fired at once. So while the missiles do the same damage, you're firiing more per volley, meaning you're getting a 25% increase to volley damage at ADV and a 50%(over STD, 20% over ADV) increase to volley damage at proto. That's more than any other weapon.
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J4yne C0bb
Molon Labe. Public Disorder.
159
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Posted - 2014.01.04 10:01:00 -
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Naw, sorry, HMG performs pretty well right now. If your suggestion is because of other rifles, I say that if anything, the RR (and I'm guessing the CR, but I don't play it enough to know for sure) could do with a slight dispersion to hip fire to make them less effective in CQC, rather than buff the HMG.
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
2671
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Posted - 2014.01.04 11:59:00 -
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HMG is fine.
If anything needs to be tweaked it's the assault variant. |
HowDidThatTaste
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
4363
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Posted - 2014.01.04 12:23:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:HowDidThatTaste wrote:The Heavy suit is fine the HMG is great in 1 situation the combination of the two makes it laughable. I read thread after thread saying the HMG is is in a great place. Yes after the months of absolute crap its better.
To say its balanced? To what? Rifles got a huge range buff, and we all know like half the frickin map range.
But HMG's got their actual cone of fire back to what it was always supposed to be, and we are saying oh the HMG is great now?
I can say playing a heavy for an entire pub match is like wearing huge weights around your ankles and wearing such dark glasses you can only see 40-50meters in front of you with a great big old sign that says shoot me here in my balloon head I'm a big target. Great stay in your hallway mole, you are right where you should be, says the rifle players.
I applaud any heavy that can say they dominate, much respect. However i can dominate you with my rifle 98% of the time in your cqc optimal range, if I can't I can run away and drop a hive and stay out of your range, and if you happen to show your Zeppelin head out of the dark hallway and try to run to another location I can pick you off from way far away and giggle as you turn around like a dog that has poo stuck on its tail, looking around in hopes that you could actually fire back at me.
Heavy HMG can not dictate their optimal fight zone every other suit can dicatate how they own you, or just plain out wait you.
Is the HmG powerful in CQC yes. Is it fun to play against ranged rifles on most of the maps? You decide? I prefer smashing heavies in cqc being able to run away if need be, able to drop a hive to repairs/reload/RE's@uplinks and just plain have a smaller hit box.
As a die hard heavy/HMG player it is completely out classed in every way since aim assist and TTK were introduced. Sorry, can't hear you over the 7 proto suits I killed running away from me upstairs
Lol I can lie too.
Why I have I never seen you in a match let alone PC? |
demonkiller 12
G.L.O.R.Y Public Disorder.
297
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Posted - 2014.01.04 14:24:00 -
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just give us different ammo types that change the damage/accuracy/range of the HMG as a whole as the HMG started as a CQC weapon yet there are still VERY FEW areas of which that can be considered CQC the HMG just seems useless unless you want to mess around
as it would seem obvious i want some damn indoor maps inside a base or something with big halls/hangars/small catwalks/maintenance shafts/ trenches/tight hallways NON VEHICLE MAPS!!! give objectives that actually mean something!!! if i hack this objective i want it to lock some doors or something if i hack this objective i want it to give my team access to armory (supply depot kind of room) not just your standard 4 objectives which fire missiles
more like this >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO-S2LBlWh4 |
Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
5306
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Posted - 2014.01.04 14:48:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:Cat Merc wrote:HowDidThatTaste wrote:The Heavy suit is fine the HMG is great in 1 situation the combination of the two makes it laughable. I read thread after thread saying the HMG is is in a great place. Yes after the months of absolute crap its better.
To say its balanced? To what? Rifles got a huge range buff, and we all know like half the frickin map range.
But HMG's got their actual cone of fire back to what it was always supposed to be, and we are saying oh the HMG is great now?
I can say playing a heavy for an entire pub match is like wearing huge weights around your ankles and wearing such dark glasses you can only see 40-50meters in front of you with a great big old sign that says shoot me here in my balloon head I'm a big target. Great stay in your hallway mole, you are right where you should be, says the rifle players.
I applaud any heavy that can say they dominate, much respect. However i can dominate you with my rifle 98% of the time in your cqc optimal range, if I can't I can run away and drop a hive and stay out of your range, and if you happen to show your Zeppelin head out of the dark hallway and try to run to another location I can pick you off from way far away and giggle as you turn around like a dog that has poo stuck on its tail, looking around in hopes that you could actually fire back at me.
Heavy HMG can not dictate their optimal fight zone every other suit can dicatate how they own you, or just plain out wait you.
Is the HmG powerful in CQC yes. Is it fun to play against ranged rifles on most of the maps? You decide? I prefer smashing heavies in cqc being able to run away if need be, able to drop a hive to repairs/reload/RE's@uplinks and just plain have a smaller hit box.
As a die hard heavy/HMG player it is completely out classed in every way since aim assist and TTK were introduced. Sorry, can't hear you over the 7 proto suits I killed running away from me upstairs Lol I can lie too. Why I have I never seen you in a match let alone PC? Match: You in EU servers? PC: Don't play that much, don't like lagfests.
Call me a liar all you want, the HMG is a scary weapon when wielded by a competent player.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Tuna > Tacos
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Disturbingly Bored
The Strontium Asylum
1373
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Posted - 2014.01.04 15:04:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:Lol I can lie too. Why I have I never seen you in a match let alone PC?
It's hardly a lie, Taste. I do it on a daily basis in my Templar BPO suit myself. No one likes to hear that using a LAV solves the distance control issue, but it does, and it does beautifully.
I can see the argument that Heavy HMG still isn't competitive in PC because it doesn't offer tactical flexibility, but what would you do to fix it? The original poster's suggestions would make it laughably overpowered.
Thurak1 wrote:also I dont know why the HMG has such a big reticle but it means nothing the only part that matters is the tiny tiny dot in the middle.
Just so you're aware, this is no longer the case.
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Vasim Vrx
DUST University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2014.01.04 15:20:00 -
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Remove that stupid blinding when you fire the HMG, i can't track people who shooting at because center of the screen filled with flares). It is high-end heavy suit with good optics, could have some enhancers. :) Enough that auto-aim doesn't work for HMG almost, give us at least ability to see. |
Jacques Cayton II
Providence Guard Templis CALSF
437
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Posted - 2014.01.04 17:05:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:HowDidThatTaste wrote:The Heavy suit is fine the HMG is great in 1 situation the combination of the two makes it laughable. I read thread after thread saying the HMG is is in a great place. Yes after the months of absolute crap its better.
To say its balanced? To what? Rifles got a huge range buff, and we all know like half the frickin map range.
But HMG's got their actual cone of fire back to what it was always supposed to be, and we are saying oh the HMG is great now?
I can say playing a heavy for an entire pub match is like wearing huge weights around your ankles and wearing such dark glasses you can only see 40-50meters in front of you with a great big old sign that says shoot me here in my balloon head I'm a big target. Great stay in your hallway mole, you are right where you should be, says the rifle players.
I applaud any heavy that can say they dominate, much respect. However i can dominate you with my rifle 98% of the time in your cqc optimal range, if I can't I can run away and drop a hive and stay out of your range, and if you happen to show your Zeppelin head out of the dark hallway and try to run to another location I can pick you off from way far away and giggle as you turn around like a dog that has poo stuck on its tail, looking around in hopes that you could actually fire back at me.
Heavy HMG can not dictate their optimal fight zone every other suit can dicatate how they own you, or just plain out wait you.
Is the HmG powerful in CQC yes. Is it fun to play against ranged rifles on most of the maps? You decide? I prefer smashing heavies in cqc being able to run away if need be, able to drop a hive to repairs/reload/RE's@uplinks and just plain have a smaller hit box.
As a die hard heavy/HMG player it is completely out classed in every way since aim assist and TTK were introduced. Sorry, can't hear you over the 7 proto suits I killed running away from me upstairs Bud I kill people I stay on my obj. I run heavy or Caldari assault cko. Hmg is fine at its job but yes it could get a 10m buff but I don't care I can go 30\2 in one spot it's all good now
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Jacques Cayton II
Providence Guard Templis CALSF
437
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Posted - 2014.01.04 17:06:00 -
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Disturbingly Bored wrote:HowDidThatTaste wrote:Lol I can lie too. Why I have I never seen you in a match let alone PC? It's hardly a lie, Taste. I do it on a daily basis in my Templar BPO suit myself. No one likes to hear that using a LAV solves the distance control issue, but it does, and it does beautifully. I can see the argument that Heavy HMG still isn't competitive in PC because it doesn't offer tactical flexibility, but what would you do to fix it? The original poster's suggestions would make it laughably overpowered. Thurak1 wrote:also I dont know why the HMG has such a big reticle but it means nothing the only part that matters is the tiny tiny dot in the middle. Just so you're aware, this is no longer the case. I went 31\0 in PC once with hmg fix it is viable on certain objectives on certain maps you have to place them right.
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Nitrobeacon
Freek Coalition Freek Alliance
186
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Posted - 2014.01.04 17:10:00 -
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Okay, I thought they needed a buff, maybe they are okay with damage mods and proficiency 5, I arrest my case. |
Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance
578
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Posted - 2014.01.04 17:16:00 -
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At least you win in your optimal, unlike Lasers and MDs, who are being destryoed by Rifles even in optimal while being terrible outside of it, unlike Rifles. |
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Logi Bro
Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN.
2550
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Posted - 2014.01.04 17:17:00 -
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Nitrobeacon wrote:Okay, I thought they needed a buff, maybe they are okay with damage mods and proficiency 5, I arrest my case.
Was your case a criminal? Did it commit a felony or misdemeanor? These are important questions.
More to the point of this post.....the HMG does need a buff. Nothing that the OP said, that would all be overpowering, but it needs some sort of slight boost. I personally can't think of what that boost might be, but it needs a small tweak and it would be where I consider it to be perfect.
No, I am not CCP Logibro.
Not actually a Logi Bro anymore, more like a Big Bro.
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Nitrobeacon
Freek Coalition Freek Alliance
186
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Posted - 2014.01.04 17:30:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:Nitrobeacon wrote:Okay, I thought they needed a buff, maybe they are okay with damage mods and proficiency 5, I arrest my case. Was your case a criminal? Did it commit a felony or misdemeanor? These are important questions. More to the point of this post.....the HMG does need a buff. Nothing that the OP said, that would all be overpowering, but it needs some sort of slight boost. I personally can't think of what that boost might be, but it needs a small tweak and it would be where I consider it to be perfect. That's what I thought, maybe the range buff similar to combat rifle range isn't accepted by the community. Maybe the damage buff is what's needed. Back then everyone feared the HMG, that's what I'd like to see.
And my case was a criminal, no one accepted it ^^ |
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