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Nitrobeacon Freek Coalition Freek Alliance 184	Posted - 2014.01.04 04:02:00 - [1] - Quote Considering how powerful other guns are, I think it needs some buffing. It's a heavy weapon, packing lots of mechanisms. It needs extreme dps and the necessary fear factor. I'd say buffing along the lines of damage and increasing the range a bit. For damage I'd say increase the standard variant to 30 damage per shot The range should be similar to the combat rifle.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1972	Posted - 2014.01.04 04:07:00 - [2] - Quote Range maybe, but I mostly use Assaults and it's not a problem. Within its optimal, there is none better at DPS than the HMG. Beer before Liquor, never sicker. Toothpaste before Orange Juice, you're dead.
straya fox Sad Panda Solutions 150	Posted - 2014.01.04 04:07:00 - [3] - Quote So you want the same damage per bullet as a combat rifle, the same range and almost twice the rate of fire?
Scalesdini BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 207	Posted - 2014.01.04 04:10:00 - [4] - Quote Nitrobeacon wrote: Considering how powerful other guns are, I think it needs some buffing. It's a heavy weapon, packing lots of mechanisms. It needs extreme dps and the necessary fear factor. I'd say buffing along the lines of damage and increasing the range a bit. For damage I'd say increase the standard variant to 30 damage per shot The range should be similar to the combat rifle. You are a nincompoop. I say this as someone who only uses HMG.
Demon Buddah Corporate Disaster 117	Posted - 2014.01.04 04:26:00 - [5] - Quote No. They're supposed to be close-med range and the damage is already devastating.
Protocake JR Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 1211	Posted - 2014.01.04 04:36:00 - [6] - Quote How many times does this need to be said: You cannot have extreme health AND extreme DPS. Besides, it's still easier for the HMG to apply consistently higher applied DPS in CQC because of the big ass reticule. That is, if you good at aiming. The PC and SL should fit into the Sidearm slot so it's accessible and practical to carry one. AV spam vs V spam
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2500	Posted - 2014.01.04 04:42:00 - [7] - Quote You need to learn how to opitmize your heavy role. While the HMG might need some improvement, overall I'm satisfied with how it's turned out since the small changes. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 36	Posted - 2014.01.04 04:47:00 - [8] - Quote get some skill bro Caldari Loyalist
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 467	Posted - 2014.01.04 04:48:00 - [9] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: How many times does this need to be said: You cannot have extreme health AND extreme DPS. Besides, it's still easier for the HMG to apply consistently higher applied DPS in CQC because of the big ass reticule. That is, if you good at aiming. The HMG and the heavy suit require the most SP's to use. Being that they require the most sp's to use why shouldn't they both offer an edge? also I dont know why the HMG has such a big reticle but it means nothing the only part that matters is the tiny tiny dot in the middle. BTW despite having the most armor and shields the heavy suit is the slowest in the game so your mostly a giant walking target once people know where you are your a target so despite costing a lot of sp there is also a tradeoff in movement.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 37	Posted - 2014.01.04 05:21:00 - [10] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: Protocake JR wrote: How many times does this need to be said: You cannot have extreme health AND extreme DPS. Besides, it's still easier for the HMG to apply consistently higher applied DPS in CQC because of the big ass reticule. That is, if you good at aiming. The HMG and the heavy suit require the most SP's to use. Being that they require the most sp's to use why shouldn't they both offer an edge? also I dont know why the HMG has such a big reticle but it means nothing the only part that matters is the tiny tiny dot in the middle. BTW despite having the most armor and shields the heavy suit is the slowest in the game so your mostly a giant walking target once people know where you are your a target so despite costing a lot of sp there is also a tradeoff in movement. thats why ya stay out of the open Caldari Loyalist

Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2033	Posted - 2014.01.04 05:23:00 - [11] - Quote This guy is a nub. /thread. Master naders: Geniuses at evening the odds. Favorite Skype: Zatara.Rought
Niuvo NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 967	Posted - 2014.01.04 05:26:00 - [12] - Quote I'm scared of the HMG. Leave as is. Too bad I don't see other types of HMG on the field.
Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis CALSF 436	Posted - 2014.01.04 05:33:00 - [13] - Quote Rail hmg eta 2017, blaster hmg 2015, scrambler hmg 2016, missile flaylock of doom combined with plasma flamethrower taped on the bottom with mini rail hmg on top. That would be like a unicorn We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 2030	Posted - 2014.01.04 05:34:00 - [14] - Quote No it doesnt need another buff. Its allready the best CQC weapon doing insane amount of damage in a short amount of time. You can literally kill anybody in less then 2 secs when they get into your optimal range. And i get constantly 4 man sprays when people camp inside a building. And once ive even got a 7 man spray. No other weapon is capable to do this due to the lower ammo capacity in a clip. I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
Protocake JR Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 1212	Posted - 2014.01.04 05:39:00 - [15] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: Protocake JR wrote: How many times does this need to be said: You cannot have extreme health AND extreme DPS. Besides, it's still easier for the HMG to apply consistently higher applied DPS in CQC because of the big ass reticule. That is, if you good at aiming. The HMG and the heavy suit require the most SP's to use. Being that they require the most sp's to use why shouldn't they both offer an edge? also I dont know why the HMG has such a big reticle but it means nothing the only part that matters is the tiny tiny dot in the middle. BTW despite having the most armor and shields the heavy suit is the slowest in the game so your mostly a giant walking target once people know where you are your a target so despite costing a lot of sp there is also a tradeoff in movement. The SP discepancy, I believe, is a design flaw. Players should have equal access to all frame sizes. All frame sizes should have equal opportunity for survivability when played to their strengths while avoiding their weaknesses. The PC and SL should fit into the Sidearm slot so it's accessible and practical to carry one. AV spam vs V spam
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation 548	Posted - 2014.01.04 05:39:00 - [16] - Quote the hmg is fine needs no buffing id say its in a great place right now. id suggest toning down the burst combat rifles rof down so it cant be fired like its the assault variant. i dont know what a possible soltuion for the rail rifles could be as they r both extremely powerful.. in cqc and at range. perhaps remove the damage skills for it as it isnt really needed any ways...and replace it with something else. idk..
Toby Flenderson research lab 181	Posted - 2014.01.04 05:53:00 - [17] - Quote straya fox wrote: So you want the same damage per bullet as a combat rifle, the same range and almost twice the rate of fire? Yeah I have no idea what the OP is thinking.
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 467	Posted - 2014.01.04 05:58:00 - [18] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: No it doesnt need another buff. Its allready the best CQC weapon doing insane amount of damage in a short amount of time. You can literally kill anybody in less then 2 secs when they get into your optimal range. And i get constantly 4 man sprays when people camp inside a building. And once ive even got a 7 man spray. No other weapon is capable to do this due to the lower ammo capacity in a clip. I know it used to be that deadly in open beta but i haven't seen that kind of killing power from a HMG in quite a while.
Lorhak Gannarsein 1118	Posted - 2014.01.04 06:04:00 - [19] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: The dark cloud wrote: No it doesnt need another buff. Its allready the best CQC weapon doing insane amount of damage in a short amount of time. You can literally kill anybody in less then 2 secs when they get into your optimal range. And i get constantly 4 man sprays when people camp inside a building. And once ive even got a 7 man spray. No other weapon is capable to do this due to the lower ammo capacity in a clip. I know it used to be that deadly in open beta but i haven't seen that kind of killing power from a HMG in quite a while. It's amazing now. If you're HAVig issues, might need to rethink your playstyle a little. It is hilarious to butcher protos in a 1500ISK suit. Pity there's no HMG BPO... PRO tanker and proud. Number of PRO-turret HAVs killed w/ my permahardened MLT Blaster Gunny - 1 (so far xD)
Timtron Victory Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 22	Posted - 2014.01.04 06:14:00 - [20] - Quote Its very good, its just that at close range in open space it can be useless when other players can hop like flies and move sideways faster than you can aim. It packs a lot of armorHP in the suit but without a logibro it can feel paperweight. Even with its lesser damage, I find myself using the assault variant as most players pack RR and stay at range. Just know what maps to use your heavy suit and HMG in or do what other heavies do: Depending on maps you can switch to a Scrambler Rifle or RR in your heavy suit. Inside buildings its deadly after the fix. Before the fix, it was useless against those shield tanking Proud Christian Jesus Loves You

DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3093	Posted - 2014.01.04 06:14:00 - [21] - Quote Nope. Something like love, something like hope. Something like beautiful, something I wrote GùòGÇ+Gå+
Jake Bloodworth Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 264	Posted - 2014.01.04 06:16:00 - [22] - Quote How about we let the dust settle on the current changes before we go asking for more buffs. The HMG performs a role amazingly well right now. If you want something else out of the HMG, you should probably use a different weapon.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1067	Posted - 2014.01.04 06:17:00 - [23] - Quote how many people do you need to be able to kill with one clip? I think I've put down 6 guys with one hmg clip recently. i'm not sure it needs anything but competition (other heavy weapons)
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 467	Posted - 2014.01.04 07:26:00 - [24] - Quote Timtron Victory wrote: Its very good, its just that at close range in open space it can be useless when other players can hop like flies and move sideways faster than you can aim. It packs a lot of armorHP in the suit but without a logibro it can feel paperweight. Even with its lesser damage, I find myself using the assault variant as most players pack RR and stay at range. Just know what maps to use your heavy suit and HMG in or do what other heavies do: Depending on maps you can switch to a Scrambler Rifle or RR in your heavy suit. Inside buildings its deadly after the fix. Before the fix, it was useless against those shield tanking So far my favorite heavy fitting is with my proto scrambler rifle. Works out very well on most maps.
Goric Rumis Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 275	Posted - 2014.01.04 07:30:00 - [25] - Quote I'm a dedicated heavy. The HMG is in a sweet spot right now. Leave it alone. Thanks. The Tank Balancing Factor No One Is Discussing
Timtron Victory Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 22	Posted - 2014.01.04 07:30:00 - [26] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: Timtron Victory wrote: Its very good, its just that at close range in open space it can be useless when other players can hop like flies and move sideways faster than you can aim. It packs a lot of armorHP in the suit but without a logibro it can feel paperweight. Even with its lesser damage, I find myself using the assault variant as most players pack RR and stay at range. Just know what maps to use your heavy suit and HMG in or do what other heavies do: Depending on maps you can switch to a Scrambler Rifle or RR in your heavy suit. Inside buildings its deadly after the fix. Before the fix, it was useless against those shield tanking So far my favorite heavy fitting is with my proto scrambler rifle. Works out very well on most maps. I personally think only Heavy Weapons should fit in the Heavy Weapon slot lol. I suck at the using the Assault Scrambler rifle. Regular Scrambler rifle works fine. But with the hopping and walking sideways and shooting accurately, its hard to kill players with the Assault variant Proud Christian Jesus Loves You
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 1434	Posted - 2014.01.04 08:24:00 - [27] - Quote Please don't Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57 Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4360	Posted - 2014.01.04 08:34:00 - [28] - Quote The Heavy suit is fine the HMG is great in 1 situation the combination of the two makes it laughable. I read thread after thread saying the HMG is is in a great place. Yes after the months of absolute crap its better. To say its balanced? To what? Rifles got a huge range buff, and we all know like half the frickin map range. But HMG's got their actual cone of fire back to what it was always supposed to be, and we are saying oh the HMG is great now? I can say playing a heavy for an entire pub match is like wearing huge waits around your ankles and wearing such dark glasses you can only see 40-50meters in front of you with a great big old sign that says shoot me here in my balloon head I'm a big target. Great stay in your hallway mole, you are right where you should,be says the rifle players. I applaud any heavy that can say they dominate, much respect. However i can dominate you with my rifle 98% of the time in your cqc optimal range, if I can't I can run away and drop a hive and stay out of your range. Heavy HMG can not dictate their optimal fight zone every other suit can dicatae how they own you, or just plain out wait you. Is the HmG powerful in CQC yes. Is it fun to play against ranged rifles on most of the maps? You decide I prefer smashing heavies in cqc being able to run away if need be, able to drop a hive to repairs/reload and just plain have a smaller hit box. As a die hard heavy/HMG player it is completely out classed in every way since aim assist and TTK were introduced.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 1154	Posted - 2014.01.04 08:40:00 - [29] - Quote i officially dislike you. how dare you ask for MORE buffs, when the HMG DESTROYS everything in front of it. if you're still asking for a buff, then you just need to get good. Words cannot describe the sadness i feel because Zero No Tsukaima is over ;_; the feels...THE FEELS...
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4362	Posted - 2014.01.04 08:42:00 - [30] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: i officially dislike you. how dare you ask for MORE buffs, when the HMG DESTROYS everything in front of it. if you're still asking for a buff, then you just need to get good. I suppose the only logic you would understand is don't get close to a heavy you must not use a rifle?



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