DUST Search - Open letter to anyone considering to apply to CPM1

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we talk to CCP basically on a daily basis, if, nothing else, to just chat about our day and improve the relationship.

CCP gets a lot of crazy ideas, some great some not so great. In this instance we provide both something of a sanity check to CCP and to give our feedback on the situation. The devs also cant look at the forum all the time, so if there is a very serious bug or glitch, its a great way to get their attention to it asap.

We also see dev blogs before they come out so that we can stop any phrases or anything like that which may create cause for concern in the community.

We also constantly talk about various ideas that the community has posted and things here and there. Its a very difficult, time consuming and thankless job but its worth it as the game and the community do benifit in the long term. A lot of the stuff we do if behind closed doors so its difficult to talk about specifics, it also irritates me when people say that I or any other CPM isnt doing anything or is a bad or even good CPM because honestly they dont see whats going on beyond the forums.

Its not all sunshine and bunnies if you want to apply for CPM and its not going to let you have infinite power either.

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jenza aranda BetaMax. 2593	Posted - 2014.01.04 00:01:00 - [1] - Quote Hey all, First off, its great that you want to be on the CPM, regardless what some people say it does give you a real opportunity to be involved with a lot of interesting things and made changes and influence the game. Before you really do decide ramping up your individual campaigns I though i would share this open letter as a bit of advice for anyone going for it. There are a couple of very important questions that you will want to ask yourself. The most important one being "Why do I want to be on the CPM?" If the answer is basically anything other than "I want to help make the game better" You are probably wasting your time. There seems to be a lot of misconceptions, especially among the players who may not have played eve, that being in the CPM somehow gives you power, stuff for personal gain and a way to twist the game to suit your needs. I am just stating right now that this is just not the case, and I'll go into why a little later, what it DOES give you is heartaches, headaches, little sleep, early/late nights and having to wake up or stay up to conference with Shanghai. Its true that perhaps once a year you may be able to go to fanfest, but considering all the stuff that happens over the year, it is(at least from the community), a very thankless task. Another very important question to ask yourself is "Can I stand the hate?". Most of the work that CPM do is behind closed doors and under the very heavy blanket that is the NDA. Because of this, many people will make up their own assumptions of whats going on and make baseless assumptions about people, usually because of an unpopular opinion you have or some off hand comment about your personality. To those who are not going to run but still going to vote, the most important thing you must understand is that having a good personality doesn't necessarily mean that person is a good CPM, conversely being a troll doesn't necessarily make you a bad CPM. A perfect example of this would be The Mitanni, the CEO of goonswarm. He is basically the biggest troll in the new eden universe in charge of a massive troll alliance however he was one of the most productive chairman that the CSM has ever had, love him or hate him, this much is a fact. Another important thing I wanted to address is that many people have been saying "vote me for scout CPM!" or tanks or heavies ect... this mentality WILL NOT WORK. A CPM is expected to have first hand experience on every aspect of play and cannot be seen advocating only for their class, this is largely done by the self policing nature of the CPM. Yesterday in the "Jenza for CPM1" thread that Jason Pearson created, someone asked me a bit about what the CPM does do, Ill quote that here just because. Quote: we talk to CCP basically on a daily basis, if, nothing else, to just chat about our day and improve the relationship. CCP gets a lot of crazy ideas, some great some not so great. In this instance we provide both something of a sanity check to CCP and to give our feedback on the situation. The devs also cant look at the forum all the time, so if there is a very serious bug or glitch, its a great way to get their attention to it asap. We also see dev blogs before they come out so that we can stop any phrases or anything like that which may create cause for concern in the community. We also constantly talk about various ideas that the community has posted and things here and there. Its a very difficult, time consuming and thankless job but its worth it as the game and the community do benifit in the long term. A lot of the stuff we do if behind closed doors so its difficult to talk about specifics, it also irritates me when people say that I or any other CPM isnt doing anything or is a bad or even good CPM because honestly they dont see whats going on beyond the forums. Its not all sunshine and bunnies if you want to apply for CPM and its not going to let you have infinite power either. Now finally, about me and my plans. Honestly I have been toying with the idea of running for CPM1 if, nothing else, to spite some of the asshats that have been dogging me this last year, but I really am not sure. One one hand as, to my knowledge, none of the current CPM are going to be running, it would be very usful for the next lot to have someone who has been there like we had Hans. On the other hand, for various reasons that are covered by NDA, the next CPM is going to have a REALLY hard time, possibly harder than what we had. Its this reason that i know a few of the current CPM dont want back in (well, that and they are alll a bit tired of it). So yes, everyone here should think very long and hard if you wish to run because it will NOT be easy and it will NOT be all fun and games. Either way, if you think you can take it and make a positive influence on the game, best of luck to you! I have a personal list of people I do hope will be running so I can vote on them but I will be keeping that private. Kind Regards, Jenza Aranda // Jennifer Murray CPM0 Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
dogmanpig black market bank 112	Posted - 2014.01.04 00:02:00 - [2] - Quote vote for me, i promise the most crack https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133513&find=unread You hate me, I hate you. Lets keep it that way. Level 11 2/10 Forum alt. "Its worth half a penny and a reach around"
Mithridates VI Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2495	Posted - 2014.01.04 00:05:00 - [3] - Quote This thread is Mithridates approved and is an accurate summation of how being CPM works. Please refrain from utilizing such inflammatory sarcasm in the future. GÇö CCP Eterne
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 855	Posted - 2014.01.04 00:05:00 - [4] - Quote jenza, thanks for the post. While I haven't sat on the CSM or CPM before, I know enough about it from various members to know it's a lot of work and a lot of hate. Tip of the hat for the classy post and the reality check. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1423	Posted - 2014.01.04 00:12:00 - [5] - Quote +1 for the info Jenza. I really want to know why the current CPM thinks the next one will have it worse - i know, i know, NDA. Is there anything NDA-safe you can tell us about that? Worse in what sense? I support SP rollover.
Elmo Love U 514 Mile High Club 856	Posted - 2014.01.04 00:13:00 - [6] - Quote I feel sorry for anyone running. What a joke the CPM is. Asking for sht nobody even wanted. Year later, game worse then ever. ChantsPVE PVE PVE PVE
jenza aranda BetaMax. 2596	Posted - 2014.01.04 00:14:00 - [7] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: +1 for the info Jenza. I really want to know why the current CPM thinks the next one will have it worse - i know, i know, NDA. Is there anything NDA-safe you can tell us about that? Worse in what sense? Honestly i shouldnt even be saying its going to be worse but i cant help but say it to keep my conscience clear and make sure that they had some kind of warning. I really can't say why but I can say with near certainty its going to be harder and worse than the time we had. Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9601	Posted - 2014.01.04 00:18:00 - [8] - Quote If you run you have my vote, that goes for any of the current CPM as well. Thanks for the info, good post Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 605	Posted - 2014.01.04 00:19:00 - [9] - Quote Sounds ominous. Still, I'll throw my hat into the ring when the time comes. Heck, Shanghai and Australian time zones are only 2 hours apart, so timezones are suddenly working in my favour for once. "Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)" GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1423	Posted - 2014.01.04 00:20:00 - [10] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: Vrain Matari wrote: +1 for the info Jenza. I really want to know why the current CPM thinks the next one will have it worse - i know, i know, NDA. Is there anything NDA-safe you can tell us about that? Worse in what sense? Honestly i shouldnt even be saying its going to be worse but i cant help but say it to keep my conscience clear and make sure that they had some kind of warning. I really can't say why but I can say with near certainty its going to be harder and worse than the time we had. KK, thanks anyway. I'm sure peeps will appreciate the heads up. The way i look at it is some early candidate education will only help in getting us better quality candidates to choose from. I support SP rollover.

The Furtive Pygmy Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 202	Posted - 2014.01.04 00:20:00 - [11] - Quote Also, make sure you change your pants on a daily basis or you'll never live it down.
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 493	Posted - 2014.01.04 00:20:00 - [12] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: Vrain Matari wrote: +1 for the info Jenza. I really want to know why the current CPM thinks the next one will have it worse - i know, i know, NDA. Is there anything NDA-safe you can tell us about that? Worse in what sense? Honestly i shouldnt even be saying its going to be worse but i cant help but say it to keep my conscience clear and make sure that they had some kind of warning. I really can't say why but I can say with near certainty its going to be harder and worse than the time we had. One question, though before I ask I ust want to say that I'm not all that famiiar with the CSM. Is there a limit to the amount of times one person could be voted on to the CPM? And if so, would that apply to you and the others, considering how you weren't quite voted, would this time count towards the maximum you guys have? I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1697	Posted - 2014.01.04 00:21:00 - [13] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: Vrain Matari wrote: +1 for the info Jenza. I really want to know why the current CPM thinks the next one will have it worse - i know, i know, NDA. Is there anything NDA-safe you can tell us about that? Worse in what sense? Honestly i shouldnt even be saying its going to be worse but i cant help but say it to keep my conscience clear and make sure that they had some kind of warning. I really can't say why but I can say with near certainty its going to be harder and worse than the time we had. The other thing people need to know is that it super hard to actually talk to players about things because of NDA. I could have a 5 minute conversation with kain or hans and hear "I can't say beers" 10 times. So end up just leaving them what i think on skype, which again they cant really give me a response too. The most I ever get from the cpm is to make a thread to get responses so they can point it out to ccp. A lot of what the cpm does has nothing to do with working with players to solve issues. Thats why its super important not to elect a bunch of fking morons which is likely to happen. [CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm [CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit [CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
jenza aranda BetaMax. 2597	Posted - 2014.01.04 00:21:00 - [14] - Quote Spademan wrote: jenza aranda wrote: Vrain Matari wrote: +1 for the info Jenza. I really want to know why the current CPM thinks the next one will have it worse - i know, i know, NDA. Is there anything NDA-safe you can tell us about that? Worse in what sense? Honestly i shouldnt even be saying its going to be worse but i cant help but say it to keep my conscience clear and make sure that they had some kind of warning. I really can't say why but I can say with near certainty its going to be harder and worse than the time we had. One question, though before I ask I ust want to say that I'm not all that famiiar with the CSM. Is there a limit to the amount of times one person could be voted on to the CPM? And if so, would that apply to you and the others, considering how you weren't quite voted, would this time count towards the maximum you guys have? as far as i know there is no maximum Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9602	Posted - 2014.01.04 00:22:00 - [15] - Quote The Furtive Pygmy wrote: Also, make sure you change your pants on a daily basis or you'll never live it down. Also, don't be an annoying douche bag with dry material, it will haunt you throughout New Eden for forever. Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
The Furtive Pygmy Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 202	Posted - 2014.01.04 00:24:00 - [16] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: The Furtive Pygmy wrote: Also, make sure you change your pants on a daily basis or you'll never live it down. Also, don't be an annoying douche bag with dry material, it will haunt you throughout New Eden for forever. Not as dry as those pants tho
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2189	Posted - 2014.01.04 00:24:00 - [17] - Quote [quote=Mithridates VI]This thread is Mithridates approved and is an accurate summation of how being CPM works.[/quote How Do You Know It's Accurate, You Don't Know What Happens Behind The So Called "Closed Doors" Trolololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololollololololololololoololololololollololololololololololololololloollolololololololololoolololollololololololololloloolololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololollolololoolololollololololololololololololloollolololololololololololololololololololololololollololololololloloollolololololololololololloololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololola In All Seriousness I Know The CPM Are Doing A Fine Job...ATM :o ¶GûàcGùÅGûäGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûê\|\|GûàGûàGûàGûàGûàGûàGûàGûàGûàGûàGûàGûàGûàGûàGûàGûà\|\|Gûê~ ~:~:~ :~:GûêGû¦ GûäGûêGûê this tank approve GûêGûêGûàGûäGûâGûé GùÑGÿ+Gû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖ*-UJELLY?*
Mithridates VI Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2495	Posted - 2014.01.04 00:39:00 - [18] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: Mithridates VI wrote: This thread is Mithridates approved and is an accurate summation of how being CPM works. How Do You Know It's Accurate, You Don't Know What Happens Behind The So Called "Closed Doors" In All Seriousness I Know The CPM Are Doing A Fine Job...ATM :o jenza didn't say anything about what is happening behind closed doors. If she had, I wouldn't have commented on that part. I'm not going to tell you how to build your character but I'd suggest putting any spare SP into literacy, kthx. At prof 2 you learn how to use capital letters. Please refrain from utilizing such inflammatory sarcasm in the future. GÇö CCP Eterne

CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 618	Posted - 2014.01.04 04:29:00 - [19] - Quote jenza has been great to work with since I've come in, and I have nothing but good things to say for all of the current members of the CPM. They've been putting in more time and effort than you can imagine. :) CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian

Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 1755	Posted - 2014.01.04 04:32:00 - [20] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: That being in the CPM somehow gives you power, stuff for personal gain and a way to twist the game to suit your needs. You greatly underestimate me. Selling 'Templar' BPO's 25Mil ISK in under a week

knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 963	Posted - 2014.01.04 04:44:00 - [21] - Quote I have wanted to run for CPM since cpm 0 was announced... not sure I have the clout though. "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET
Mithridates VI Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2500	Posted - 2014.01.04 05:07:00 - [22] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: I have wanted to run for CPM since cpm 0 was announced... not sure I have the clout though. If you have a job, consider whether you want an entire second one. If you go to school, consider whether you have time to also be a volunteer employee, talking to CCP about their game but unable to tell other players about it. If you are unemployed, consider whether working for free sounds like a constructive use of your time. Please refrain from utilizing such inflammatory sarcasm in the future. GÇö CCP Eterne
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2033	Posted - 2014.01.04 05:31:00 - [23] - Quote I'm fascinated by the opportunity. I'm in school and I have the time (obviously anyone who has time to rack up 50k+ kills in game has time) however this doesn't make me any less apprehensive about the work especially when they aren't clear cut. I dont think i'll run unless I have reservations about those that do step up. I'm aware of many more qualified than I, however. Master naders: Geniuses at evening the odds. Favorite Skype: Zatara.Rought
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1286	Posted - 2014.01.04 05:39:00 - [24] - Quote Vote for me. My qualifications are as follows: Level 1 Forum Warrior. I want to make the game better. I want power. Edit: I also want to know what CCP is working on. So I can hold secrets over the heads of the rest of the community of course. That's it. Fizzer94 // Level 1 Forum Warrior // PLASMA CANNONS ARE REALLY* BAD NOW, FIX THEM!*
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 784	Posted - 2014.01.04 05:58:00 - [25] - Quote I don't get the point of CPM. It's supposed to be a bridge between devs and community but the bridge is broken because of NDA. Seems like CPM is mostly a popularity pageant. Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
Omareth Nasadra Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 235	Posted - 2014.01.04 06:22:00 - [26] - Quote tx jenza and all the other cpm for all you did during your first mandate, you did a good job Minmatar, In rust we trust!!! Omareth Nasadra/Erynyes
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 868	Posted - 2014.01.04 06:30:00 - [27] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: I don't get the point of CPM. It's supposed to be a bridge between devs and community but the bridge is broken because of NDA. Seems like CPM is mostly a popularity pageant. The big problem is that CCP doesn't have boots-on-the-ground experience with their own game on live servers. For instance, CCP devs aren't allowed to play in PC. And I don't think the game engine will let them spectate as of current. So the important part is the CPM can convey what players see and realistically contend with to CCP, who's often basing their decisions on their internal test servers otherwise. Ideally, the CPM should have some ability to relay back to players and assist with community relations, but that depends on how lose the NDA is. DUST's NDA is held over people a lot more strictly than EVE, I think. We generally have more of an idea what CCP wants to do in the future from a broad sense compared to DUST. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 606	Posted - 2014.01.04 06:32:00 - [28] - Quote To be fair, Eve devs are more open about things than Dust devs. There's a number of reasons behind that. "Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)" GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 752	Posted - 2014.01.04 06:34:00 - [29] - Quote I'll do it. Munch Dedicated Sniper. Minmatar Patriot (6).
Mithridates VI Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2508	Posted - 2014.01.04 06:35:00 - [30] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: It's supposed to be a bridge between devs and community Is it? Please refrain from utilizing such inflammatory sarcasm in the future. GÇö CCP Eterne



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