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ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 722	Posted - 2014.01.03 19:57:00 - [1] - Quote http://strawpoll.me/962331 be interesting to see exactly what people think without all the arguments https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3001	Posted - 2014.01.03 20:03:00 - [2] - Quote ... Most hated person since Lueko and Checkmate AV is easy huh? Talk is cheap.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 2576	Posted - 2014.01.03 20:05:00 - [3] - Quote I'm neither AV nor tank skilled....but I am a dropship/jeep pilot and think tanks are way to cheap (well the MLT tanks are to cheap at least) Proud member of the Commndo 6 <3 Commando AK.0
jerrmy12 kahoalii Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 221	Posted - 2014.01.03 20:05:00 - [4] - Quote Atiim wrote: ... swarms only need a damage buff 30 max, forge guns still wreck thing recuruit link 25 to 30 mil isk per 100k recuruit I use a tablet so beware of typo
jerrmy12 kahoalii Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 221	Posted - 2014.01.03 20:07:00 - [5] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: I'm neither AV nor tank skilled....but I am a dropship/jeep pilot and think tanks are way to cheap (well the MLT tanks are to cheap at least) 60kVS 230k+VSads 410k+ recuruit link 25 to 30 mil isk per 100k recuruit I use a tablet so beware of typo
Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc League of Infamy 632	Posted - 2014.01.03 20:07:00 - [6] - Quote This poll is too narrow. I'm not voting. "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 723	Posted - 2014.01.03 20:08:00 - [7] - Quote maybe i should do a sepperate 1 for dropships as the balance needs are completely different https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 723	Posted - 2014.01.03 20:10:00 - [8] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: This poll is too narrow. I'm not voting. your either skilled or your not, you either think 1 side is powerful or weak or you think they are balanced its just a general poll on which you think. its not going into depth because its purpose does not require it https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3001	Posted - 2014.01.03 20:15:00 - [9] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: I'm neither AV nor tank skilled....but I am a dropship/jeep pilot and think tanks are way to cheap (well the MLT tanks are to cheap at least) 60kVS 230k+VSads 410k+ LOL @ 60k 180k-215k with the guarantee to die 3-4 times. I think 645k-860k goes beyond the price of your tank. And AV is cheap Most hated person since Lueko and Checkmate AV is easy huh? Talk is cheap.
Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc League of Infamy 632	Posted - 2014.01.03 20:22:00 - [10] - Quote Atiim wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: I'm neither AV nor tank skilled....but I am a dropship/jeep pilot and think tanks are way to cheap (well the MLT tanks are to cheap at least) 60kVS 230k+VSads 410k+ LOL @ 60k 180k-215k with the guarantee to die 3-4 times. I think 645k-860k goes beyond the price of your tank. And AV is cheap ADS should cost that much. It's a tech 2 hull. "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^

Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 3282	Posted - 2014.01.03 20:24:00 - [11] - Quote I am Tank skilled and I think tanks are fine but AV is a bit too weak. (Wish that option existed) Lack of content makes stuff broken... Tank driver // specialized tank destroyer
Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc League of Infamy 632	Posted - 2014.01.03 20:25:00 - [12] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: This poll is too narrow. I'm not voting. your either skilled or your not, you either think 1 side is powerful or weak or you think they are balanced its just a general poll on which you think. its not going into depth because its purpose does not require it I guess you didn't get what I meant by that. "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3001	Posted - 2014.01.03 20:26:00 - [13] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: ADS should cost that much. It's a tech 2 hull. I say we just lower the price of AV. Prices of vehicles are fine. Now they are actually profitable. AV on the other hand, was almost never profitable. Most hated person since Lueko and Checkmate AV is easy huh? Talk is cheap.
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 723	Posted - 2014.01.03 20:31:00 - [14] - Quote thanks for bringing that up.. will re start them in a few mins with the remaining options https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Serimos Haeraven The Exemplars Top Men. 559	Posted - 2014.01.03 20:31:00 - [15] - Quote I didn't see a "I'm an Assault Dropship Pilot and AV is perfectly balanced along with dropships, however railgun redline campers ruin the entire balance of Dust" so i didn't vote.
jerrmy12 kahoalii Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 221	Posted - 2014.01.03 20:42:00 - [16] - Quote Atiim wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: I'm neither AV nor tank skilled....but I am a dropship/jeep pilot and think tanks are way to cheap (well the MLT tanks are to cheap at least) 60kVS 230k+VSads 410k+ LOL @ 60k 180k-215k with the guarantee to die 3-4 times. I think 645k-860k goes beyond the price of your tank. And AV is cheap 60 is militia and 230k isk a fit tank with a std turret and adv turret is 300k total recuruit link 25 to 30 mil isk per 100k recuruit I use a tablet so beware of typo
jerrmy12 kahoalii Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 221	Posted - 2014.01.03 20:44:00 - [17] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: Atiim wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: I'm neither AV nor tank skilled....but I am a dropship/jeep pilot and think tanks are way to cheap (well the MLT tanks are to cheap at least) 60kVS 230k+VSads 410k+ LOL @ 60k 180k-215k with the guarantee to die 3-4 times. I think 645k-860k goes beyond the price of your tank. And AV is cheap ADS should cost that much. It's a tech 2 hull. no, it shoudnt, this isnt a big mmo and balance wise its stupid to play TWO matches to get ONE thing, IDGAF what tech it is its a std hull recuruit link 25 to 30 mil isk per 100k recuruit I use a tablet so beware of typo
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 723	Posted - 2014.01.03 20:58:00 - [18] - Quote new polls are up with the missing options. please vote again https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc League of Infamy 632	Posted - 2014.01.03 20:59:00 - [19] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: Atiim wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: I'm neither AV nor tank skilled....but I am a dropship/jeep pilot and think tanks are way to cheap (well the MLT tanks are to cheap at least) 60kVS 230k+VSads 410k+ LOL @ 60k 180k-215k with the guarantee to die 3-4 times. I think 645k-860k goes beyond the price of your tank. And AV is cheap ADS should cost that much. It's a tech 2 hull. no, it shoudnt, this isnt a big mmo and balance wise its stupid to play TWO matches to get ONE thing, IDGAF what tech it is its a std hull I guess you don't get tech levels and how they work. No, ADS prices are fine. Be more careful with them if you don't want to lose them. "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
ladwar Death by Disassociation Legacy Rising 1961	Posted - 2014.01.03 21:06:00 - [20] - Quote Atiim wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: ADS should cost that much. It's a tech 2 hull. I say we just lower the price of AV. Prices of vehicles are fine. Now they are actually profitable. AV on the other hand, was almost always profitable. fixed that for you. Level 2 Forum Warrior, bitter vet. I shall smite Thy Trolls with numbers and truth not looking for a corp, don't ask.

jerrmy12 kahoalii Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 221	Posted - 2014.01.03 21:06:00 - [21] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: I'm neither AV nor tank skilled....but I am a dropship/jeep pilot and think tanks are way to cheap (well the MLT tanks are to cheap at least) 60kVS 230k+VSads 410k+ LOL @ 60k 180k-215k with the guarantee to die 3-4 times. I think 645k-860k goes beyond the price of your tank. And AV is cheap ADS should cost that much. It's a tech 2 hull. no, it shoudnt, this isnt a big mmo and balance wise its stupid to play TWO matches to get ONE thing, IDGAF what tech it is its a std hull insert rubish here [/quote] be more careful with your infantry suit if you die you must grind 2 matches for your suit this is a game balance 2 matches for 1 STD thing is stupid we had this problem before tank prices were too high and 400k for a dropship that cant escape railguns is beyond stupid recuruit link 25 to 30 mil isk per 100k recuruit I use a tablet so beware of typo
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 723	Posted - 2014.01.03 21:14:00 - [22] - Quote this is not a balancing thread. please keep your opinions to yourself or discuss it elsewhere. make your vote and move along. i hope everyone who reads this post votes so we can get an accurate view of opinion on the subject https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
jerrmy12 kahoalii Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 221	Posted - 2014.01.03 21:29:00 - [23] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: this is not a balancing thread. please keep your opinions to yourself or discuss it elsewhere, these are not the droids your looking for, move along. i hope everyone who reads this post votes so we can get an accurate view of opinion on the subject move along recuruit link 25 to 30 mil isk per 100k recuruit I use a tablet so beware of typo
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 725	Posted - 2014.01.03 23:21:00 - [24] - Quote bumping to top to keep the poll going https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 3387	Posted - 2014.01.03 23:45:00 - [25] - Quote There need to be more specific answers- specifically which you primarily are if you think it's balanced. We used to have a time machine
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3007	Posted - 2014.01.03 23:57:00 - [26] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: this is not a balancing thread. please keep your opinions to yourself or discuss it elsewhere. make your vote and move along. i hope everyone who reads this post votes so we can get an accurate view of opinion on the subject My apologies. Staying on topic now. Most hated person since Lueko and Checkmate AV is easy huh? Talk is cheap.
The Final Fantasy DETHDEALERS Public Disorder. 16	Posted - 2014.01.04 00:07:00 - [27] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: Atiim wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: I'm neither AV nor tank skilled....but I am a dropship/jeep pilot and think tanks are way to cheap (well the MLT tanks are to cheap at least) 60kVS 230k+VSads 410k+ LOL @ 60k 180k-215k with the guarantee to die 3-4 times. I think 645k-860k goes beyond the price of your tank. And AV is cheap ADS should cost that much. It's a tech 2 hull. so adding 1 turret and making a wee faster means it good at 390k if that's the case tanks should cost 390k for that speed buff they got , tech 2 or tech 99999 its the same **** Myron with a turret in the front with a wee speed boost and lower slots :\ that still gets 2shot from redline rails
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 730	Posted - 2014.01.04 02:01:00 - [28] - Quote 121 views and hardly any votes. come on guys. its not like i'm suggesting an idea or asking for comments. you hear it all the time on comms people with their own opinion on weather their weapon is too powerful or too weak. nows your time to say so, so we can get a bigger picture overall of how people feel about it because every other post on the thought has turned into massive arguments. you can't argue with a single tick this is about your own view without ideas,suggestions and most importantly without argument. so go to the poll links and place your vote. you either feel your own side is too weak or too powerful or just right. im not looking for anything more than that https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 467	Posted - 2014.01.04 02:40:00 - [29] - Quote Atiim wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: I'm neither AV nor tank skilled....but I am a dropship/jeep pilot and think tanks are way to cheap (well the MLT tanks are to cheap at least) 60kVS 230k+VSads 410k+ LOL @ 60k 180k-215k with the guarantee to die 3-4 times. I think 645k-860k goes beyond the price of your tank. And AV is cheap AV is more expensive than militia tanks.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3013	Posted - 2014.01.04 02:49:00 - [30] - Quote Staying on topic, I decided to select "I am AV skilled and tanks are ok but AV is too weak". Most hated person since Lueko and Checkmate AV is easy huh? Talk is cheap.

Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 577	Posted - 2014.01.04 03:01:00 - [31] - Quote ladwar wrote: Atiim wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: ADS should cost that much. It's a tech 2 hull. I say we just lower the price of AV. Prices of vehicles are fine. Now they are actually profitable. AV on the other hand, was almost always profitable. fixed that for you. AV is profitable? Militia tank > proto AV and AV suits cost 150k+, and die in less than 1 second, while tanks have invincible button when attacked for 30 seconds. Dropships laugh at swarms, hell good flyers laughed at swarms before 1.7, now they are a joke.
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 734	Posted - 2014.01.04 14:23:00 - [32] - Quote time for a daily bump... keep those votes coming https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution 1399	Posted - 2014.01.04 14:40:00 - [33] - Quote Atiim wrote: ... hahaha. I like your signature...it is a quote of mine...I am truly the Highest Level Unicorn. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 737	Posted - 2014.01.04 15:55:00 - [34] - Quote seems 99.99% of the people on these forums complaining about tanks and av really don't really have an opinion at all on the matter. 180 views to this poll and only 20-30 have voiced their opinions. you can spend hours trolling the forums and being trolled everyday and then can't spend 5 secs to make an actual valid opinion on how your personally feel on a matter. what sort of community is this. we all enjoy our messing around on the forums but lets just voice an actual honest opinion for once. i don't want likes or suggestions or arguments. i just want you all to be people for once playing a game they like or don't for whatever reasons, voicing your own general opinion on something that is currently a heated topic. at the end of the day we all want a good game so why are we always arguing or being content to ignore the issues and hope they go away. the point of this poll is to see how everyone generally feels about it from their point of view and not from the consensus of a few on heavily argumented threads. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Scout Registry 261	Posted - 2014.01.04 16:04:00 - [35] - Quote I am AV skilled, AV is too weak, and tanks are too strong. How is this highest probability case not an option?
jerrmy12 kahoalii Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 221	Posted - 2014.01.04 16:16:00 - [36] - Quote Atiim wrote: Staying on topic, I decided to select "I am AV skilled and tanks are ok but AV is too weak". only swarms are too weak recuruit link 25 to 30 mil isk per 100k recuruit I use a tablet so beware of typo
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1871	Posted - 2014.01.04 16:26:00 - [37] - Quote Serimos Haeraven wrote: I didn't see a "I'm an Assault Dropship Pilot and AV is perfectly balanced along with dropships, however railgun redline campers ruin the entire balance of Dust" so i didn't vote. I hate redline rail guns, but you have to admit that is pretty much the only super effective way left to kill drop ships. I've only lost ADS to rail guns. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 738	Posted - 2014.01.04 16:29:00 - [38] - Quote Scout Registry wrote: I am AV skilled; AV is too weak, and tanks are too strong. ^ How is this not an option? Also, your questions are poorly phrased; you run high risk of confusing most tankers and some infantry. I point this out because wording means everything in a poll; a question in a poll should have as few variables as possible. Also, too weak / too strong is fine, but I would propose posting a separate poll on profitability. These considerations are not closely enough related to be grouped together, IMHO. nice attempt to troll me into an argument. your option is in there, you are just being too picky with your option. you balance things against each other. that pointless option you suggested has nothing to balance against so they cant both be wrong https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
The Attorney General 1722	Posted - 2014.01.04 16:42:00 - [39] - Quote The only problem I have with the poll options are that you treat AV as a single thing. It isn't. The PLC needs a huge set of buffs. The forge needs a slight buff. Swarms can die in a fire. AV nades are good. Tanks need changes to, both for balance between AV and between themselves. SO none of the poll options really work for me. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Scout Registry 261	Posted - 2014.01.04 16:45:00 - [40] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: nice attempt to troll me into an argument. your option is in there, you are just being too picky with your option. you balance things against each other. that pointless option you suggested has nothing to balance against so they cant both be wrong I'm not trolling you, sport. I'm cluing you in as to a likely reason why your View Count exceeds your Participation Count. I like your idea. I've offered you simple advice. Take it or leave it.

Scout Registry 261	Posted - 2014.01.04 16:48:00 - [41] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: The only problem I have with the poll options are that you treat AV as a single thing. It isn't. The PLC needs a huge set of buffs. The forge needs a slight buff. Swarms can die in a fire. AV nades are good. Tanks need changes to, both for balance between AV and between themselves. SO none of the poll options really work for me. This. Simplify your questions. Make them clear and specific. Use different sections for different weapon types (as AG suggests). The problem isn't as simple as you present; the solution isn't as simple either.
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 739	Posted - 2014.01.04 16:48:00 - [42] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: The only problem I have with the poll options are that you treat AV as a single thing. It isn't. The PLC needs a huge set of buffs. The forge needs a slight buff. Swarms can die in a fire. AV nades are good. Tanks need changes to, both for balance between AV and between themselves. SO none of the poll options really work for me. and if this was an in depth poll then i would agree but this is a general overview of the feeling of av/tank balance. if your a tank driver and any element of av is too powerfull against you for whatever reason then that is the typ of answer im looking for. same goes for av. like i said in another reply the poll would have to be a thousand options long to take into account everything. as this is just a general poll of your overall view it is whats required. if you think through all av that its balanced then thats balanced in your opinion. if you feel that 1 element of av is wrong and tips the balance then thats the answer you select. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Scout Registry 261	Posted - 2014.01.04 16:49:00 - [43] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: The Attorney General wrote: The only problem I have with the poll options are that you treat AV as a single thing. It isn't. The PLC needs a huge set of buffs. The forge needs a slight buff. Swarms can die in a fire. AV nades are good. Tanks need changes to, both for balance between AV and between themselves. SO none of the poll options really work for me. and if this was an in depth poll then i would agree but this is a general overview of the feeling of av/tank balance. if your a tank driver and any element of av is too powerfull against you for whatever reason then that is the typ of answer im looking for. same goes for av. like i said in another reply the poll would have to be a thousand options long to take into account everything. as this is just a general poll of your overall view it is not required. if you think through all av that its balanced then thats balanced in your opinion. if you feel that 1 element of av is wrong and tips the balance then thats the answer you select. You have no business conducting a poll at present. Read a book, maybe two, then try again.
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 739	Posted - 2014.01.04 16:51:00 - [44] - Quote Scout Registry wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: The Attorney General wrote: The only problem I have with the poll options are that you treat AV as a single thing. It isn't. The PLC needs a huge set of buffs. The forge needs a slight buff. Swarms can die in a fire. AV nades are good. Tanks need changes to, both for balance between AV and between themselves. SO none of the poll options really work for me. and if this was an in depth poll then i would agree but this is a general overview of the feeling of av/tank balance. if your a tank driver and any element of av is too powerfull against you for whatever reason then that is the typ of answer im looking for. same goes for av. like i said in another reply the poll would have to be a thousand options long to take into account everything. as this is just a general poll of your overall view it is not required. if you think through all av that its balanced then thats balanced in your opinion. if you feel that 1 element of av is wrong and tips the balance then thats the answer you select. You have no business conducting a poll at present. Read a book, maybe two, then try again. you have missed the point entirely, please move along https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9614	Posted - 2014.01.04 16:53:00 - [45] - Quote Forges are balanced vs Dropships Swarms are too weak vs Dropships, except maybe fully maxed out swarms Plasma cannons are....what's a plasma cannon? AV nades are balanced vs Dropships assuming they float close enough to you Tank AV of all types is balanced vs dropships, the only railguns are too strong vs dropships is because of the redline. Large missiles might apply their damage just a tad too quickly, but that's a general balance issue. Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 739	Posted - 2014.01.04 17:07:00 - [46] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Forges are balanced vs Dropships Swarms are too weak vs Dropships, except maybe fully maxed out swarms Plasma cannons are....what's a plasma cannon? AV nades are balanced vs Dropships assuming they float close enough to you Tank AV of all types is balanced vs dropships, the only railguns are too strong vs dropships is because of the redline. Large missiles might apply their damage just a tad too quickly, but that's a general balance issue. perfect example here of what im getting at. you have a personal in depth view on everything av/dropship balance releated to you specificly. you see some as strong and some as weak. as an av player you might think my av is too weak against my opponent. for a vehicle user you might feel av is too weak against your tank. although the opinions are technically the same they are different as they are percieved differently from different view points. for the above its apears from how you wrote this your AV. you feel an element of av is too weak so youropinion would likely be "im av but av is weak against dropships". this would be a general "role" specific opinion of the balance and not an item specific opinion. all im trying to do here is see how people view the balance https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find


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