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Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.04 03:01:00 -
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ladwar wrote:Atiim wrote:Aizen Intiki wrote: ADS should cost that much. It's a tech 2 hull.
I say we just lower the price of AV. Prices of vehicles are fine. Now they are actually profitable. AV on the other hand, was almost always profitable. fixed that for you.
AV is profitable? Militia tank > proto AV and AV suits cost 150k+, and die in less than 1 second, while tanks have invincible button when attacked for 30 seconds. Dropships laugh at swarms, hell good flyers laughed at swarms before 1.7, now they are a joke. |
ADAM-OF-EVE
Dead Man's Game
734
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Posted - 2014.01.04 14:23:00 -
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time for a daily bump... keep those votes coming
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Charlotte O'Dell
Fatal Absolution
1399
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Posted - 2014.01.04 14:40:00 -
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hahaha. I like your signature...it is a quote of mine...I am truly the Highest Level Unicorn.
Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
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ADAM-OF-EVE
Dead Man's Game
737
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Posted - 2014.01.04 15:55:00 -
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seems 99.99% of the people on these forums complaining about tanks and av really don't really have an opinion at all on the matter. 180 views to this poll and only 20-30 have voiced their opinions. you can spend hours trolling the forums and being trolled everyday and then can't spend 5 secs to make an actual valid opinion on how your personally feel on a matter. what sort of community is this.
we all enjoy our messing around on the forums but lets just voice an actual honest opinion for once.
i don't want likes or suggestions or arguments. i just want you all to be people for once playing a game they like or don't for whatever reasons, voicing your own general opinion on something that is currently a heated topic. at the end of the day we all want a good game so why are we always arguing or being content to ignore the issues and hope they go away.
the point of this poll is to see how everyone generally feels about it from their point of view and not from the consensus of a few on heavily argumented threads.
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Scout Registry
261
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Posted - 2014.01.04 16:04:00 -
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I am AV skilled, AV is too weak, and tanks are too strong.
How is this highest probability case not an option? |
jerrmy12 kahoalii
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
221
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Posted - 2014.01.04 16:16:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Staying on topic, I decided to select "I am AV skilled and tanks are ok but AV is too weak". only swarms are too weak
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
1871
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Posted - 2014.01.04 16:26:00 -
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Serimos Haeraven wrote:I didn't see a "I'm an Assault Dropship Pilot and AV is perfectly balanced along with dropships, however railgun redline campers ruin the entire balance of Dust" so i didn't vote. I hate redline rail guns, but you have to admit that is pretty much the only super effective way left to kill drop ships. I've only lost ADS to rail guns.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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ADAM-OF-EVE
Dead Man's Game
738
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Posted - 2014.01.04 16:29:00 -
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Scout Registry wrote:I am AV skilled; AV is too weak, and tanks are too strong. ^ How is this not an option?
Also, your questions are poorly phrased; you run high risk of confusing most tankers and some infantry. I point this out because wording means everything in a poll; a question in a poll should have as few variables as possible.
Also, too weak / too strong is fine, but I would propose posting a separate poll on profitability. These considerations are not closely enough related to be grouped together, IMHO.
nice attempt to troll me into an argument. your option is in there, you are just being too picky with your option. you balance things against each other. that pointless option you suggested has nothing to balance against so they cant both be wrong
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The Attorney General
1722
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Posted - 2014.01.04 16:42:00 -
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The only problem I have with the poll options are that you treat AV as a single thing. It isn't.
The PLC needs a huge set of buffs. The forge needs a slight buff. Swarms can die in a fire. AV nades are good.
Tanks need changes to, both for balance between AV and between themselves.
SO none of the poll options really work for me.
Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
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Scout Registry
261
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Posted - 2014.01.04 16:45:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:
nice attempt to troll me into an argument. your option is in there, you are just being too picky with your option. you balance things against each other. that pointless option you suggested has nothing to balance against so they cant both be wrong
I'm not trolling you, sport. I'm cluing you in as to a likely reason why your View Count exceeds your Participation Count. I like your idea. I've offered you simple advice. Take it or leave it. |
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Scout Registry
261
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Posted - 2014.01.04 16:48:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:The only problem I have with the poll options are that you treat AV as a single thing. It isn't.
The PLC needs a huge set of buffs. The forge needs a slight buff. Swarms can die in a fire. AV nades are good.
Tanks need changes to, both for balance between AV and between themselves.
SO none of the poll options really work for me.
This.
Simplify your questions. Make them clear and specific. Use different sections for different weapon types (as AG suggests). The problem isn't as simple as you present; the solution isn't as simple either. |
ADAM-OF-EVE
Dead Man's Game
739
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Posted - 2014.01.04 16:48:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:The only problem I have with the poll options are that you treat AV as a single thing. It isn't.
The PLC needs a huge set of buffs. The forge needs a slight buff. Swarms can die in a fire. AV nades are good.
Tanks need changes to, both for balance between AV and between themselves.
SO none of the poll options really work for me.
and if this was an in depth poll then i would agree but this is a general overview of the feeling of av/tank balance.
if your a tank driver and any element of av is too powerfull against you for whatever reason then that is the typ of answer im looking for. same goes for av.
like i said in another reply the poll would have to be a thousand options long to take into account everything. as this is just a general poll of your overall view it is whats required.
if you think through all av that its balanced then thats balanced in your opinion. if you feel that 1 element of av is wrong and tips the balance then thats the answer you select.
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Scout Registry
261
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Posted - 2014.01.04 16:49:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:The Attorney General wrote:The only problem I have with the poll options are that you treat AV as a single thing. It isn't.
The PLC needs a huge set of buffs. The forge needs a slight buff. Swarms can die in a fire. AV nades are good.
Tanks need changes to, both for balance between AV and between themselves.
SO none of the poll options really work for me. and if this was an in depth poll then i would agree but this is a general overview of the feeling of av/tank balance. if your a tank driver and any element of av is too powerfull against you for whatever reason then that is the typ of answer im looking for. same goes for av. like i said in another reply the poll would have to be a thousand options long to take into account everything. as this is just a general poll of your overall view it is not required. if you think through all av that its balanced then thats balanced in your opinion. if you feel that 1 element of av is wrong and tips the balance then thats the answer you select.
You have no business conducting a poll at present. Read a book, maybe two, then try again. |
ADAM-OF-EVE
Dead Man's Game
739
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Posted - 2014.01.04 16:51:00 -
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Scout Registry wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:The Attorney General wrote:The only problem I have with the poll options are that you treat AV as a single thing. It isn't.
The PLC needs a huge set of buffs. The forge needs a slight buff. Swarms can die in a fire. AV nades are good.
Tanks need changes to, both for balance between AV and between themselves.
SO none of the poll options really work for me. and if this was an in depth poll then i would agree but this is a general overview of the feeling of av/tank balance. if your a tank driver and any element of av is too powerfull against you for whatever reason then that is the typ of answer im looking for. same goes for av. like i said in another reply the poll would have to be a thousand options long to take into account everything. as this is just a general poll of your overall view it is not required. if you think through all av that its balanced then thats balanced in your opinion. if you feel that 1 element of av is wrong and tips the balance then thats the answer you select. You have no business conducting a poll at present. Read a book, maybe two, then try again.
you have missed the point entirely, please move along
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
9614
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Posted - 2014.01.04 16:53:00 -
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Forges are balanced vs Dropships
Swarms are too weak vs Dropships, except maybe fully maxed out swarms
Plasma cannons are....what's a plasma cannon?
AV nades are balanced vs Dropships assuming they float close enough to you
Tank AV of all types is balanced vs dropships, the only railguns are too strong vs dropships is because of the redline. Large missiles might apply their damage just a tad too quickly, but that's a general balance issue.
Assault Dropship Montage
Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
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ADAM-OF-EVE
Dead Man's Game
739
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Posted - 2014.01.04 17:07:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Forges are balanced vs Dropships
Swarms are too weak vs Dropships, except maybe fully maxed out swarms
Plasma cannons are....what's a plasma cannon?
AV nades are balanced vs Dropships assuming they float close enough to you
Tank AV of all types is balanced vs dropships, the only railguns are too strong vs dropships is because of the redline. Large missiles might apply their damage just a tad too quickly, but that's a general balance issue.
perfect example here of what im getting at.
you have a personal in depth view on everything av/dropship balance releated to you specificly. you see some as strong and some as weak.
as an av player you might think my av is too weak against my opponent. for a vehicle user you might feel av is too weak against your tank. although the opinions are technically the same they are different as they are percieved differently from different view points.
for the above its apears from how you wrote this your AV. you feel an element of av is too weak so youropinion would likely be "im av but av is weak against dropships". this would be a general "role" specific opinion of the balance and not an item specific opinion.
all im trying to do here is see how people view the balance
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