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Brush Master
HavoK Core RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.01.04 06:53:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:This is an awesome idea. I'd love to see more of these kinds of constructive initiatives - I'll take the results of this feedback and present it to the relevant teams for you guys. :)
Thanks for stopping by Ya me too, I would like to see the initiative come from the team(s) that actually does the rewards and marketing.
Actually that might be a good dev blog on how those teams take the data from an event and analyze it. Was it an effective event? how do you determine what players might like? the process of creating the event, the challenges, what you can and can not do? etc.
514th Wing // Team Fairy DUST // Havok Core
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lee corwood
Knights Of Ender Public Disorder.
306
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Posted - 2014.01.04 07:03:00 -
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As far as getting isk as a reward, I think once we get the player market (whenever that is) we'll feel less underwhelmed because we'll have the ability to convert what we cannot use into isk or if we have a corp where we know dedicated players will use a piece of equipment more than me, tradesies. I get specialist weapons in types that I know I'll never use, but wish I could give to a corpmate who could use all he could get.
Other than that, I agree with Aqil in that the win requirement made it very hard for some people. On the days my corp was on, this was an easy requirement, but when alone (2 days), I found it difficult and wishing I could hurry up and win one so I could turn the game off. I'm not a new player so I imagine for newer players, this was just frustrating and even more reason to not continue playing, especially during the holidays. Next time, a 'minimum number of games' might be a better option.
Minmatar Logisis | Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
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SponkSponkSponk
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
606
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Posted - 2014.01.04 07:16:00 -
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This event would have been 250% more awesome if it had been tied into the same achieve->award system as the new player tutorial.
"Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)"
GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.01.04 07:17:00 -
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A majority of people saying the rewards are **** are sorely mistaken. I don't think people understand that not everything can be prototype rewards and just for them.
These rewards are genuinely good and people asking for new items in this event don't have a good grasp on reality. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
7432
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Posted - 2014.01.04 07:20:00 -
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Rozencrutz89 wrote:Event was a good idea but all the items in it were kinda underwhelming overall. This. But, well, free stuff.
Some of the stuff was great tbqh - the black eagles and quafe suits were very nice. But things like enhanced shield extenders, which aren't used much by anyone, aren't of much use. Perhaps it's simply an issue with how useful some of the items are in game. Few people use fused locus grenades and enhanced shield extenders.
Level 7 Forum Warrior
Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
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Lorhak Gannarsein
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Posted - 2014.01.04 07:40:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:A majority of people saying the rewards are **** are sorely mistaken. I don't think people understand that not everything can be prototype rewards and just for them.
These rewards are genuinely good and people asking for new items in this event don't have a good grasp on reality.
Although maybe they could have skipped the ADV shield extenders for something else.
I remember the Hacked Drop Uplinks I got from the Chromosome Merc Pack (or whatever it was) were incredibly useful, considering that I didn't have any SP to spare on the things.
PRO tanker and proud.
Number of PRO-turret HAVs killed w/ my permahardened MLT Blaster Gunny - 2 (so far xD)
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Skihids
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2014.01.04 08:02:00 -
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Free stuff is nice, but unless I'm already using something a batch of twelve isn't going to induce me to alter a current fitting to equip it, much less delete one to create a new one. |
Zunist Tae
Single Player Opps
15
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Posted - 2014.01.04 08:22:00 -
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Full time college student on Christmas break (read broke with nothing better to do), had me logging all of my tons each day looking for a win. Cool for you I spent more time in Dust. Bad for you... The prizes may come in useful but they all look like AUR items to me. Which means i'll never have more than 12, so meh. I've been over exposed to Proto stomping and am really close to being burn out on Dust. Not one of the items is permanent. Not looking for amazing items, but a bpo of some sort to remember the event would have been awesome. (Maybe a Christmas colored frontline? A "Rudolph" laser rifle... something militia grade and festivish...) Came really close to missing the event, and wouldn't have even noticed or been upset...
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I-Shayz-I
I-----I
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Posted - 2014.01.04 08:36:00 -
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Personally, I'd rather see reward items named iin different ways to make them special, even if they are only ADV items.
Like a heavy suit with something santa implied, or a scout suit in reference to an elf. Maybe even a LAV with references to reindeer.
And then modules could be called different christmas decorations or something. What about santas vs elves where it would be kills in heavy suits vs kills in scout suits? Some creativity would be nice.
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Lynn Beck
Granite Mercenary Division Top Men.
467
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Posted - 2014.01.04 08:51:00 -
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Veka Kari wrote:I am always logged in. So no, I didnt get the news. Aparently I also am subscribed to the newsletter, but still not subscribed to getting it. I did put in a request to get it fixed, but it never got answered, and never showed up on my requests. So, I have quite litterally given up on submitting tickets, requests, information and just look for it myself.
As for any content ideas... You want an event?
1) Free for all, all players spawn in an enclosed arena, vehicles are prohibited, Light weapons are prohibited, heavy weapons are prohibited. You spawn in a light suit, with a scrambler pistol and nova knives.
2) Drop ship Demo, All players are given a 'special' selection during this even from the vehicle menu, The Demolition Drop Ship. They are speced out to have militia blasters with 1 damage mod and an active scanner. Two players are the gunners and one is the pilot, the team that clones out first loses.
3) King of the rock pile, A single wide area indestructible nano-hive, which reps a 75 HP (armor and shields), and regerates at 20% ammo is placed on top of a hill/rock pile. The players within the range of the nano hive get the benefits of the nano-hive. Winners are the team who still has clones left.
4) Squad enforcement, a match is created with room for only 12 people. All players are forced into a single squad, and placed on the largest map. The clone count is only 36 per team. When you spawn in you spawn in 25m behind (opposite direction of the opponents) the rest of your squad. Winners are the team with clones left.
Take those for a test drive. Veka, you just earned my vote. How about a commando LolRena?: Free for all, everyone spawns in a1 commandos, fitted with plasma cannons and nova knives, the Plc has 1 shot, and it's proto tier. The NK's do diminishing damage as you charge them, but the range increases, and punching out a full charge does 300% melee.
Under 28db
Officially nerfproof (predicting CR nerf February '14)
I have a God, His name is Dakka.
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe. Public Disorder.
1179
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Posted - 2014.01.04 09:19:00 -
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If you're going to make it so that we can have santa hats in the future I want all sorts of other religious gear too: Kwanzaa Candles Dreidels Statue of Kali Incan Sacrificial Altar Flying Spagetti Monster Plushy Cathulu Cult Robe Mobius Brand Cough SyrupGäó (Now in new "not proven to cause blindness" formula)
Really, if this game is going to have items associated with any one religion in it doesn't it seem foolish not to be a little more inclusive. Or how about this, we leave out the whole Christmas themed thing and just make a good game.
Really though my merc wants a Flying Spagetti Monster Plushy for his quarters.
Fun > Realism
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Brush Master
HavoK Core RISE of LEGION
1020
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Posted - 2014.01.04 09:42:00 -
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jordy mack wrote:How do those percentages work if u can choose multiple options?
The percentage is overall poll. When I'm done polling maybe a few days afterwards I will post results here since there are basically 3 key areas that people can give their opinion on and will compares those 3 keys questions.
514th Wing // Team Fairy DUST // Havok Core
[email protected]
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jordy mack
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2014.01.04 09:49:00 -
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Brush Master wrote:jordy mack wrote:How do those percentages work if u can choose multiple options? The percentage is overall poll. When I'm done polling maybe a few days afterwards I will post results here since there are basically 3 key areas that people can give their opinion on and will compares those 3 keys questions.
So if everyone checks every box will it be like 20% in each column? I don't know what u mean.
Less QQ more PewPew
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Ealphea Aeeagol
BadAssClones
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Posted - 2014.01.04 10:40:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:If you're going to make it so that we can have santa hats in the future I want all sorts of other religious gear too: Kwanzaa Candles Dreidels Statue of Kali Incan Sacrificial Altar Flying Spagetti Monster Plushy Cathulu Cult Robe Mobius Brand Cough SyrupGäó (Now in new "not proven to cause blindness" formula)
Really, if this game is going to have items associated with any one religion in it doesn't it seem foolish not to be a little more inclusive. Or how about this, we leave out the whole Christmas themed thing and just make a good game.
Really though my merc wants a Flying Spagetti Monster Plushy for his quarters.
Christmas is more like a cutural thing nowadays than a religious thing. Santa has, besides the origin of his name, nothing religious about him. CCP have added nothing religous, nor referenced to the religious origins, of this event. I think you are overly sensitive. Also, CCP are not the government. There is no seperation of church and game developer. So even if they did add some reference to the baby jesus or the christian background to the event, there's nothing stopping them. Would you really be upset if they did something for chinese new year? Or for the islamic new year? |
Thurak1
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
468
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Posted - 2014.01.04 10:50:00 -
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I voted for underwhelming. Sorry but 12 of advanced gear is not much. It wont even save me much isk for the very few things i will use from the rewards. |
Thurak1
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
468
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Posted - 2014.01.04 10:51:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:If you're going to make it so that we can have santa hats in the future I want all sorts of other religious gear too: Kwanzaa Candles Dreidels Statue of Kali Incan Sacrificial Altar Flying Spagetti Monster Plushy Cathulu Cult Robe Mobius Brand Cough SyrupGäó (Now in new "not proven to cause blindness" formula)
Really, if this game is going to have items associated with any one religion in it doesn't it seem foolish not to be a little more inclusive. Or how about this, we leave out the whole Christmas themed thing and just make a good game.
Really though my merc wants a Flying Spagetti Monster Plushy for his quarters. I want a giant statue to Cathulu! |
TODDSTER024
Revive Repair Resupply
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Posted - 2014.01.04 12:17:00 -
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Since I play solo, I don't have a squad. There was one day it was lose after lose after lose after lose after lose.. Not a single win was won. |
Draco Cerberus
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
646
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Posted - 2014.01.04 15:31:00 -
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Although the rewards seem ok, I understood the delivery of awards was set for the end of the event, not the middle. I seem to also recall that I won more matches than just 1 every day I played, and while I understand a win was necessary, I don't understand why I only received 2 different items rather than several different items.
LogiGod earns his pips
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Brush Master
HavoK Core RISE of LEGION
1020
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Posted - 2014.01.04 15:46:00 -
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jordy mack wrote:Brush Master wrote:jordy mack wrote:How do those percentages work if u can choose multiple options? The percentage is overall poll. When I'm done polling maybe a few days afterwards I will post results here since there are basically 3 key areas that people can give their opinion on and will compares those 3 keys questions. So if everyone checks every box will it be like 20% in each column? I don't know what u mean.
the percentage on the polls doesn't really matter, the top three answers are basically what we will be looking at. you have
The rewards were underwhelming vs The rewards were decent Encouraged me to login vs Did not encourage me to login Liked the Event vs Did not even notice/care that it was going on
We can see overall which was the top opinion and we will also look at each question individually a couple day after the event ends.
514th Wing // Team Fairy DUST // Havok Core
[email protected]
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Zunist Tae
Single Player Opps
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Posted - 2014.01.04 16:32:00 -
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Draco Cerberus wrote:Although the rewards seem ok, I understood the delivery of awards was set for the end of the event, not the middle. I seem to also recall that I won more matches than just 1 every day I played, and while I understand a win was necessary, I don't understand why I only received 2 different items rather than several different items.
Rewards for this event haven't been passed out yet. Most likely you received items for the last event, RR, CR trials. |
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Sgt Buttscratch
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Posted - 2014.01.04 16:32:00 -
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I voted for "The rewards were underwhelming" and "Did not encourage me to login".
The rewards were not only a joke but actually kinda insulting. the made me feel that the little discussion CCP had included the sentence "**** em and feed em beans".
Day:1 Queef scout gk.0 suits, great if you have gallente scout suits a level 5. Otherwise 100% useless Day 2: Hacked Nanohive: ya... a ******* nanohive, not a good nanohive. Day 3: Pyrus STANDARD assault rifle.... tef fuh? Day 4: Heavy Mauler suits.... not to bad on this one but still...meh Day: 5: Fused locus grenades, 12 of them...yup Day 6: ADV armor plates..boring Day 7: Standard repair tool almost useless. Day 8 Black eagle suits, 1 bullet away from dead, useless suits Day 9: An aurum shield extender shown with the armor icon /facepalm Day 10: ADV submachine gun, one of the better ones, still didn't log in. Day 11: A scanner I can avoid with my gallente assault suit. Day 12: who gives a duck.
All in all not only was non of this good, but there was no surprises. No red and white santa suit for the Heavies, no green and red elf suit for the scouts, just absolute lack luster bullshit. Showed me they don't want to have to do any work here, if it aint creating fancy ingame menus or fancy pages for their website they don't want to know. Apparent by effort in the 12 days of dust event page versus the rewards given. I say next time don't even bother.
I would have just ran an X SP/ISK/LP event. simple as. 1st day 10% extra SP/ISK/LP through to the 12th day 120% SP/ISK/LP, raised the cap to 120% its usual. Given all maps snow for these 12 days and said merry ******* xmas.
I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas
Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
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Brush Master
HavoK Core RISE of LEGION
1020
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Posted - 2014.01.04 17:26:00 -
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Aqil Aegivan wrote:For something that ran at a time when few staff were available and which was holiday themed this event seemed reasonable. Not exciting or really ground breaking in any way but I don't think it was supposed to be a highpoint for events anyway.
I'm not sure the win requirement made a lot of sense here, given the meta level and amount of gear handed out. Requiring a win can be a good mechanic for the right event but here it was disproportionate to the reward.
It also suffered due to the usual issue where one in every ten modules CCP gives away is useful to any given player. Extra SP or ISK should be part of every event where we're getting a shotgun blast of random crap. Don't like giving out SP and ISK? Then design more elegant events than "today you get a few of a randomly selected module".
I agree, for what was given, simply logging in should have been enough. Maybe login gets you xx item, plus win xx matches and you will get a surprise item for that day. Larger quantity or rare official weapons would have made this event really nice but like you said it feels like a last ditch effort to through something together for the sake of having something.
514th Wing // Team Fairy DUST // Havok Core
[email protected]
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Talos Alomar
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1932
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Posted - 2014.01.04 19:33:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:A majority of people saying the rewards are **** are sorely mistaken. I don't think people understand that not everything can be prototype rewards and just for them.
These rewards are genuinely good and people asking for new items in this event don't have a good grasp on reality.
No one's saying that these items are bad, it's just more that they arent all that interesting. If they were looking for rewards that would inspire somebody who's been around for longer than a couple weeks to log on then the sort of items they were giving out didn't do the trick.
Try to kill it all you want CCP, I still <3 my laser.
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Bat Cow
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.01.04 19:37:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:Brush Master wrote:Mogar Bobac wrote:Althought I enjoyed it I would have rather just had a permenant santa hat or some decorations in my quarters I think they would like this too but they just don't have a system in place to skin things or only allow certain items during certain periods of times. Hopefully 2014 is the year they make some major upgrades to the system. We'd love to - but the backend for this just doesn't exist at the moment. It's definitely something we want to do and will be looking at putting systems in place for in the future.
A couple of items were good (the Quafe, black eagle, and Heavy fitting), many were average or subpar (but this is free stuff from a free game, so I'm not going to complain too much), but I was hoping for more unique items.
I understand if the backend wasn't in place for room decorations, but a holiday themed drop suit would've been really cool. Something like a red and white "Santa/candy cane" theme; a green, red, and white "elf" theme; or even a special snowflake color scheme (light blue/white) suit or vehicle would have been awesome. I could even see it as a final reward- get all the items from each of the 12 days, and then get the bonus suit. That would have made me more excited to make sure I log on each day.
Of course, there's one day left, so I can still hope.
Moo.
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
1499
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Posted - 2014.01.04 20:57:00 -
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I'm cool with the event overall, I think it was good in that the requirements were small and didn't encourage massive protostomping like the last one.
If I were to offer some constructive criticism, I think most of the items, like the enhanced extenders and pyrus AR were a little too weak. I think they all should have been ADV or better no-skill items, at an absolute minimum. Personally though, I think they all should have been different colored suits (shouldn't be that hard to do, I would think), or, failing that, all of them should have been prefit suits like the heavy was, all with no skill prerquisites.
Make the first day 12 of some weak suit, then day two, 11 of a slighty better suit, day three, 10 of an even better one, etc, until on the last day you get a no-skill-required full proto suit.
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
Amarr victor!
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lithkul devant
Legions of Infinite Dominion
134
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Posted - 2014.01.04 21:21:00 -
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Well, the 12 days each day having a different item to win was okay, but it also encouraged me to only login and play 1-4 matches each day, why play unneeded matches during the holiday times? Also...I was hoping for a special holiday reward for you know actually sticking with Dust 514 it kind of let down not to get one. Mind you the passive boosters for 50% off was very nice (Finally they did this, about damn time) They also had a package for 75% off which was decent, but then again that isn't a holiday themed gift or truly special. I guess what I'm saying is, I wanted an actual gift like you get on Christmas, the other stuff was just nice fluff, but still just fluff. |
Smooth Assassin
Stardust Incorporation
654
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Posted - 2014.01.04 21:38:00 -
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Sorry overwhelming, i mean really? black eagles after we just had 50? random aurum stuff that we don't even need or use? i'm hoping tomorrow is going to be a respec or something worthy...
Assassination is my thing.
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Kahn Zo
Furyan Alpha
180
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Posted - 2014.01.04 23:10:00 -
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Alex Desmond wrote:I really like the concept of the event and it somewhat encouraged me to play a quick match but i feel like it should have been tiered rewards.
e.g. day x: 1 win = aur std assault rifle, 2 wins = aur adv assault rifle, 3 wins = aur pro assault rifle.
This way we are more encouraged to play a few rounds and we actually use some of the rewards.
^ this.
was a nice gesture CCP, thank you, and holidayz to you and yours. now if you returned the hit detection back to the sniper rifle, I would be a happy Furyan
[quote=mollerz] No no no no. I can't just fit willy nilly on my suit.[/quote]
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Aqil Aegivan
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
252
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Posted - 2014.01.05 01:20:00 -
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Brush Master wrote:Aqil Aegivan wrote:For something that ran at a time when few staff were available and which was holiday themed this event seemed reasonable. Not exciting or really ground breaking in any way but I don't think it was supposed to be a highpoint for events anyway.
I'm not sure the win requirement made a lot of sense here, given the meta level and amount of gear handed out. Requiring a win can be a good mechanic for the right event but here it was disproportionate to the reward.
It also suffered due to the usual issue where one in every ten modules CCP gives away is useful to any given player. Extra SP or ISK should be part of every event where we're getting a shotgun blast of random crap. Don't like giving out SP and ISK? Then design more elegant events than "today you get a few of a randomly selected module". I agree, for what was given, simply logging in should have been enough. Maybe login gets you xx item, plus win xx matches and you will get a surprise item for that day. Larger quantity or rare official weapons would have made this event really nice but like you said it feels like a last ditch effort to through something together for the sake of having something.
It's possible my post ended on a more sour note than I had intended, I just think we should have moved past handing out random gear by now. CCP has gotten the same feedback regarding this style of reward structure for a while now but it keeps happening. I'm relatively certain that "More appropriate rewards" was one of the things the community requested quite loudly when CCP had that thread on what we want to see from events, yet here we are.
Brush Master wrote:I agree, for what was given, simply logging in should have been enough.
This is tricky. I think that the win requirement can be very handy as it's not just gear you got, it's gear you won. It is possible to add value to low ISK rewards by adding that condition, even where people resent the necessity if it gets them playing it's not a terrible thing. The problem arises when the gear is not just cheap but also useless. Winning it is like winning one of those paper cracker things people pull on at Christmas. You get a joke and a crown but you don't feel like a winner. Just handing things out wouldn't have made this a better event so much as it would have changed people's complaints, stuff I'll never use stays stuff I'll never use no matter the relative ease with which I acquire it.
My feedback is basically this:
CCP, you were told that better events require more appropriate rewards rather than just randomly selected gear. You were told this repeatedly, some time ago. You failed to incorporate this into your event design philosophy. This event suffered as a result. To do better give us events with either
A: Stuff everyone can use (SP, ISK or possibly LP).
B: Gear tailored to each player.
C: Unique or genuinely rare/desirable items.
D: Some partial combination of the above.
Don't give us events that are flawed in a way we've already explained and then ask why we don't like them, you know why. |
Veka Kari
The Phoenix Federation
33
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Posted - 2014.01.05 07:06:00 -
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Lynn Beck wrote: Veka, you just earned my vote. How about a commando LolRena?: Free for all, everyone spawns in a1 commandos, fitted with plasma cannons and nova knives, the Plc has 1 shot, and it's proto tier. The NK's do diminishing damage as you charge them, but the range increases, and punching out a full charge does 300% melee.
Aside from the weapon modifying effects, I think its pretty good. I would modify it thusly:
The Commando LolRena, FFA, 5 Spawns, Commando A/1 Suit, Prototype Plasma Cannon, and as well as Prototype Nova Knives. Last man standing wins.
Vote me for CPM1, A Conduit for change
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