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Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc League of Infamy 629	Posted - 2014.01.02 03:53:00 - [1] - Quote So, I've been thinking, people still can't use AV properly, there's something really wrong. But I can use it still, and very well, so it can't be that bad. So I made a list of ideas a while back, and they seem to be still holding together. Click to see those ideas. Anyways, some more ideas have popped into my head, one of which would greatly help Scouts out. Now, if you know me, or paid any attention to my Scout posts, you know that I believe that EWAR should be bonused for only Scouts, and it should be tailored for Scouts. Now, what does that have to do with AV? Well, people's been having some trouble with doing AV, and that's fine. Not all of the tools for AV is in yet. We need tackling gear, such as stasis webs in some form weather it be grenades or mines, so we could so them down, tracking disruptors so we could more more easily dodge their shots, scanners (which we already have) and ECM so we can track them down, yet keep them from tracking us, and EMP's to cut their vision. So what does all of that have to do with AV, or Scouts for the matter? Think about it: like I said, EWAR should be the best when used on Scout suits. EWAR would greatly help fight and kill vehicles. That means AV and EWAR should be very close, and therefore should be also the best on Scouts. So, how to make Av more EWARish? I'll explain that in a bit. But before that, I want to say some of the new ideas I have about general balance for AV: Swarms: Increase the max ammo to 9. I think 2 reserve clips without skills is too small. 3 seems more reasonable. Also, increase the lock range to 200m. Also, raise the ROF. Forge: Give it the camera that HMG has, and lower the reload speed. Plasma Cannon (general consensus is that it's both a AV and AI weapon, so I'll include it in all of this): put another shot in the clip, and give it 5 reserve clips. Also, slightly increase the projectile speed. With that out of the way, the idea is to give each AV weapon special properties that would only happen if they hit a vehicle. These ideas would be similar to what a EWAR equipment would do. An example of this would be the swarms having a missile or two in the swarm that once hit, messes with the HUD or something along the lines of that. Others would directly affect the vehicle, such as its tanking ability, such as the Plasma Cannon, if gets a direct hit, can give damage over time, or slows down regenerative abilities. Now, that's great and all, but WHAT DOES THIS HAS TO DO WITH SCOUTS? Well, if you figured it out already, and is patiently skimming through this to see if you are right, I applaud your reading skills, and you won't have far left. If not, read more. So here it is: Although everyone gets these effects from AV weapons, if used on a Scout suit, it would become stronger. And it's a flat number, not per level. (I was even thinking that depending on the suit and weapon's race, it's would be stronger/weaker. Like, A Swarm would be better on a Cal Scout than a Gal Scout, and vice versa for the PLC.) Now with all of this, everyone would be happy, right? No. Heavies are already looking at this and shaking their heads, complaining that their Forge Guns and future Heavy AV weapons would be severely outdone by their light AV counterparts. Don't worry, I thought of that as well. Although it wouldn't get these bonuses that the Scout would, that's the point of it. The Scout through this would be the best AV suit. But, since it's a Heavy weapon, it should have something over the light ones. So, although these bonuses wouldn't be as strong as a light weapon on a Scout, it should be stronger than a light weapon's. So what do you think? What would you change? Do you think this idea is complete **, and if so, why? Tell me! Peace, Aizen "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___**^
Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc League of Infamy 629	Posted - 2014.01.02 06:04:00 - [2] - Quote Bump "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc League of Infamy 630	Posted - 2014.01.02 19:48:00 - [3] - Quote So people would rather *** about AV rather than think about solutions? "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___**^
Ploo-Koon Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 524	Posted - 2014.01.02 19:50:00 - [4] - Quote Yeah, that seems to be about the size of it. Also, people are too lazy to read a block of text like that. (GöÉGöî ).....[ a¦Å^Gûá ].....{ a¦Å\°/a¦Å }.....( : : )
Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc League of Infamy 630	Posted - 2014.01.02 19:52:00 - [5] - Quote Ploo-Koon wrote: Yeah, that seems to be about the size of it. Also, people are too lazy to read a block of text like that. But nobody would understand if I just said the idea, and I would have to explain over and over in posts, and I'm too lazy to do that. "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
Vitharr Foebane Living Like Larry Schwag 463	Posted - 2014.01.02 20:00:00 - [6] - Quote Not sure what you mean by HMG camera, could you explain? Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3 That's no excuse though to slack off on releasing a heavy laser =.=
Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc League of Infamy 630	Posted - 2014.01.02 20:15:00 - [7] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Not sure what you mean by HMG camera, could you explain? You know the ADS feature that the HMG has? That's a camera sight. "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 159	Posted - 2014.01.02 20:29:00 - [8] - Quote Needs a TL; DR cuz thats wat I did GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc League of Infamy 630	Posted - 2014.01.02 20:31:00 - [9] - Quote Takron Nistrom wrote: Needs a TL; DR cuz thats wat I did There, happy? "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
Kane Fyea Scions of Athra 2538	Posted - 2014.01.02 20:31:00 - [10] - Quote I always thought of logis as the EWar guys since you know they have 3-4 equipment slots which is where EWar equipment would be equipped.

Jastad D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 352	Posted - 2014.01.02 20:36:00 - [11] - Quote The Forge only need to roll back to the previous charge time. With the old charge time you have a real "window of opportunity" to kill a tank and not just a "Glory hole of opportunity" Once you try "HMG-FAT" you never get back...
Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc League of Infamy 630	Posted - 2014.01.02 20:36:00 - [12] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: I always thought of logis as the EWar guys since you know they have 3-4 equipment slots which is where EWar equipment would be equipped. Logistics ships in EVE don't do Electronic attack ships are most similar to Scouts, and that's why I say make them the best EWAR frames. Also, I've been saying to give the Scouts another eq slot as well. "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
Kane Fyea Scions of Athra 2538	Posted - 2014.01.02 20:39:00 - [13] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: I always thought of logis as the EWar guys since you know they have 3-4 equipment slots which is where EWar equipment would be equipped. Logistics ships in EVE don't do Electronic attack ships are most similar to Scouts, and that's why I say make them the best EWAR frames. Also, I've been saying to give the Scouts another eq slot as well. But isn' a scout supposed to scout? Isn't that what it's intended role is to be a scout? Also it does not make sense to have the suit with the lowest HP go against vehicles which can 2-3 shot you with a blaster turret. If anything AV should be the heavys job not the scouts since they can actually take some damage.
Vitharr Foebane Living Like Larry Schwag 467	Posted - 2014.01.02 20:40:00 - [14] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Not sure what you mean by HMG camera, could you explain? You know the ADS feature that the HMG has? That's a camera sight. Ahh I see what ya mean now. Not really necessary for the forge as it has 0 shot deviation. Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3 That's no excuse though to slack off on releasing a heavy laser =.=
Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc League of Infamy 630	Posted - 2014.01.02 20:50:00 - [15] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: I always thought of logis as the EWar guys since you know they have 3-4 equipment slots which is where EWar equipment would be equipped. Logistics ships in EVE don't do Electronic attack ships are most similar to Scouts, and that's why I say make them the best EWAR frames. Also, I've been saying to give the Scouts another eq slot as well. But isn' a scout supposed to scout? Isn't that what it's intended role is to be a scout? Also it does not make sense to have the suit with the lowest HP go against vehicles which can 2-3 shot you with a blaster turret. If anything AV should be the heavys job not the scouts since they can actually take some damage. Well if you can do it right it's very hard to hit a Scout. Anyways, like I said, since EWAR would be there, it would be harder to hit the Scout, and the Scout could just hit the vehicle over and over, and kill it. So no, it would be still better to have it on a Scout than a Heavy frame. EDIT: Also, relaying info can be done by spoken word, or by relaying information through some form of technology. If they give Scouts bonuses for EWAR depending on their races preferred EWAR, Gallente would be able to do this the best. Seeing as though people is constantly complaining about scanners, they would recive some form of nerf from now to then. so it might be the only viable suit to do scanning, to that point is invalid. "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc League of Infamy 630	Posted - 2014.01.02 20:51:00 - [16] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Not sure what you mean by HMG camera, could you explain? You know the ADS feature that the HMG has? That's a camera sight. Ahh I see what ya mean now. Not really necessary for the forge as it has 0 shot deviation. It could have a bit of zoom for those longer range shots. "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
echo47 Minmatar Republic 156	Posted - 2014.01.02 20:58:00 - [17] - Quote I like the idea of AV and EWAR being related. I think the AV-EWAR role would be beter on dropsuit dedicated to AV and EWAR, not a scout. It should atleast be a medium frame. Maybe a pirate faction with the sole purpose of AV-EWAR. Blood Raider - Minmatar/Amarr This is the suit that should get the cloak and web modules. The reason I think this is that the role of AV-EWAR should be highly specialized and SP intensive because of the huge advantage Ewar modules will give a squad. We already see what active scanners are doing, dampners mean nothing if the entire squad isn't fitted with them. I think the special properties should be tied to higly specialized drop suit. I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.
Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc League of Infamy 630	Posted - 2014.01.02 21:04:00 - [18] - Quote echo47 wrote: I like the idea of AV and EWAR being related. I think the AV-EWAR role would be beter on dropsuit dedicated to AV and EWAR, not a scout. It should atleast be a medium frame. Maybe a pirate faction with the sole purpose of AV-EWAR. Blood Raider - Minmatar/Amarr This is the suit that should get the cloak and web modules. The reason I think this is that the role of AV-EWAR should be highly specialized and SP intensive because of the huge advantage Ewar modules will give a squad. We already see what active scanners are doing, dampners mean nothing if the entire squad isn't fitted with them. I think the special properties should be tied to higly specialized drop suit. You know how much sense this doesn't make? First off, There would be 0 reason to use the Scout. Second, medium frames are by far the worst way to do AV. The only reason why it worked before is because you could just sit in one spot. Now, you can't. Also, why make a whole new frame when you got one, and that one needs a role, which this would fit in perfectly? Also, why t=in the hell would you limit a entire role to a specific race? "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
Kane Fyea Scions of Athra 2538	Posted - 2014.01.02 21:06:00 - [19] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: I always thought of logis as the EWar guys since you know they have 3-4 equipment slots which is where EWar equipment would be equipped. Logistics ships in EVE don't do Electronic attack ships are most similar to Scouts, and that's why I say make them the best EWAR frames. Also, I've been saying to give the Scouts another eq slot as well. But isn' a scout supposed to scout? Isn't that what it's intended role is to be a scout? Also it does not make sense to have the suit with the lowest HP go against vehicles which can 2-3 shot you with a blaster turret. If anything AV should be the heavys job not the scouts since they can actually take some damage. Well if you can do it right it's very hard to hit a Scout. Anyways, like I said, since EWAR would be there, it would be harder to hit the Scout, and the Scout could just hit the vehicle over and over, and kill it. So no, it would be still better to have it on a Scout than a Heavy frame. Yea no I do not agree. Sure you can dodge but why dodge when you can shoot a tank from 400m away like the heavy can? Also you would have to slow them down with a stasis webifier while the heavy doesn't he can just continue to shoot the tank until he's past 400m. Also I do not agree with implementing EMP grenades which take away vision. Take away the tankers hud? Sure but blinding him no. Also why should the scout be best at EWar? Even if you give the scout another equipment slot logis would still be better (simply because they can hold more EWar in one fit. Why bring a squishy scout who can only hold 2 EWar equipment at once when you can get a nicely tanked logi who can carry 3-4 depending on the logi) at it unless you made it useless to use for anyone but scouts but that hurts the freedom of customization which this game is built upon. Also if you give scouts more then 2 then that starts taking away from the logis role. (Which is why scouts and assaults no longer have 2 equipment slots like we used to in chromosome) Also please answer the original question: Isn't a scouts role supposed to be scouting? Also AV is a frontline role which the scout is definitely not made for that. Als you seem to forget that there are infantry too who would love to get an easy kill on a squishy scout with only a sidearm for defense.
Kane Fyea Scions of Athra 2538	Posted - 2014.01.02 21:11:00 - [20] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: echo47 wrote: I like the idea of AV and EWAR being related. I think the AV-EWAR role would be beter on dropsuit dedicated to AV and EWAR, not a scout. It should atleast be a medium frame. Maybe a pirate faction with the sole purpose of AV-EWAR. Blood Raider - Minmatar/Amarr This is the suit that should get the cloak and web modules. The reason I think this is that the role of AV-EWAR should be highly specialized and SP intensive because of the huge advantage Ewar modules will give a squad. We already see what active scanners are doing, dampners mean nothing if the entire squad isn't fitted with them. I think the special properties should be tied to higly specialized drop suit. You know how much sense this doesn't make? First off, There would be 0 reason to use the Scout. Second, medium frames are by far the worst way to do AV. The only reason why it worked before is because you could just sit in one spot. Now, you can't. Also, why make a whole new frame when you got one, and that one needs a role, which this would fit in perfectly? Also, why t=in the hell would you limit a entire role to a specific race? Or maybe make a scout a scout. That sounds like a perfect role for a scout doesn't it?

Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation 641	Posted - 2014.01.02 21:11:00 - [21] - Quote Agreed. *Assassination is my thing.*
Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc League of Infamy 631	Posted - 2014.01.02 21:28:00 - [22] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: I always thought of logis as the EWar guys since you know they have 3-4 equipment slots which is where EWar equipment would be equipped. Logistics ships in EVE don't do Electronic attack ships are most similar to Scouts, and that's why I say make them the best EWAR frames. Also, I've been saying to give the Scouts another eq slot as well. But isn' a scout supposed to scout? Isn't that what it's intended role is to be a scout? Also it does not make sense to have the suit with the lowest HP go against vehicles which can 2-3 shot you with a blaster turret. If anything AV should be the heavys job not the scouts since they can actually take some damage. Well if you can do it right it's very hard to hit a Scout. Anyways, like I said, since EWAR would be there, it would be harder to hit the Scout, and the Scout could just hit the vehicle over and over, and kill it. So no, it would be still better to have it on a Scout than a Heavy frame. Yea no I do not agree. Sure you can dodge but why dodge when you can shoot a tank from 400m away like the heavy can? Also you would have to slow them down with a stasis webifier while the heavy doesn't he can just continue to shoot the tank until he's past 400m. Also I do not agree with implementing EMP grenades which take away vision. Take away the tankers hud? Sure but blinding him no. Also why should the scout be best at EWar? Even if you give the scout another equipment slot logis would still be better (simply because they can hold more EWar in one fit. Why bring a squishy scout who can only hold 2 EWar equipment at once when you can get a nicely tanked logi who can carry 3-4 depending on the logi who can also equip all proto equipment which a scout would have a very bad time at doing so) at it unless you made it useless to use for anyone but scouts but that hurts the freedom of customization which this game is built upon. Also if you give scouts more then 2 equipment slots then that starts taking away from the logis role. (Which is why scouts and assaults no longer have 2 equipment slots like we used to in chromosome) Also please answer the original question: Isn't a scouts role supposed to be scouting? Also AV is a frontline role which the scout is definitely not made for that. Also you seem to forget that there are infantry too who would love to get an easy kill on a squishy scout with only a sidearm for defense. 1: I discussed Heavy AV in the OP. Read it. As for sitting back and shooting, the tank could just hide, get closer, and pop you. That tactic doesn't work anymore, and I like you to prove me wrong. 2: EMP grenades are debatable. Just taking away the HUD wouldn't do much imo, as I can still see. if you blind the person, however, they can't see. Think of it as a vehicle flashbang. 3: Why Scouts would be best at EWAR? Well, for one, they should/would be the only suits with bonuses towards EWAR equipment. They have low profiles and high speed, so harder to find and catch. They have small hitboxes, so harder to hit. They will be best at cloaking (fitting wise and actual use wise), so easier to sneak around, get into position, and wreak havoc. There's many more reasons, but I think you get the point. Also, as far as Logisics go, EWAR would be better on them, as if they are balanced right, they wouldn't be very strong at using them, and they can be taken out easy. This includes the Active scanner, and yes I think it needs looking at. What I would do is make it so it is tied to your suit precision, and make it a quick burst. That would eliminate scanner spam, and 360 scanning. 4: Every Scout, and many others knows that giving the Scout a second eq. slot would be a very good buff in the line of buffing. Even Remnant knows this, and he kind of slipped it out in the Dev blog when he was talking about the Scout. 5: I did answer your question. And AV is not front line. If you're surrounded by assaults and Logis when AVing, you're doing it wrong. "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
echo47 Minmatar Republic 156	Posted - 2014.01.02 21:57:00 - [23] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: echo47 wrote: I like the idea of AV and EWAR being related. I think the AV-EWAR role would be beter on dropsuit dedicated to AV and EWAR, not a scout. It should atleast be a medium frame. Maybe a pirate faction with the sole purpose of AV-EWAR. Blood Raider - Minmatar/Amarr This is the suit that should get the cloak and web modules. The reason I think this is that the role of AV-EWAR should be highly specialized and SP intensive because of the huge advantage Ewar modules will give a squad. We already see what active scanners are doing, dampners mean nothing if the entire squad isn't fitted with them. I think the special properties should be tied to higly specialized drop suit. You know how much sense this doesn't make? First off, There would be 0 reason to use the Scout. Second, medium frames are by far the worst way to do AV. The only reason why it worked before is because you could just sit in one spot. Now, you can't. Also, why make a whole new frame when you got one, and that one needs a role, which this would fit in perfectly? Also, why t=in the hell would you limit a entire role to a specific race? A scout is a scout, when flanking and using stealth the scout can hold its own right now with any suit in the game. Not a specific race two races you should have to have Amarr and Minmatar Assault III. BloodRaiders both Minmatar and Amarr tech. It adds flavor, to do the things you listed and to have an AV EWAR role the suit should be highly specialized what better way than to use a pirate faction model. I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.
Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc League of Infamy 631	Posted - 2014.01.02 22:43:00 - [24] - Quote echo47 wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: echo47 wrote: I like the idea of AV and EWAR being related. I think the AV-EWAR role would be beter on dropsuit dedicated to AV and EWAR, not a scout. It should atleast be a medium frame. Maybe a pirate faction with the sole purpose of AV-EWAR. Blood Raider - Minmatar/Amarr This is the suit that should get the cloak and web modules. The reason I think this is that the role of AV-EWAR should be highly specialized and SP intensive because of the huge advantage Ewar modules will give a squad. We already see what active scanners are doing, dampners mean nothing if the entire squad isn't fitted with them. I think the special properties should be tied to higly specialized drop suit. You know how much sense this doesn't make? First off, There would be 0 reason to use the Scout. Second, medium frames are by far the worst way to do AV. The only reason why it worked before is because you could just sit in one spot. Now, you can't. Also, why make a whole new frame when you got one, and that one needs a role, which this would fit in perfectly? Also, why t=in the hell would you limit a entire role to a specific race? A scout is a scout, when flanking and using stealth the scout can hold its own right now with any suit in the game. Not a specific race two races you should have to have Amarr and Minmatar Assault III. BloodRaiders both Minmatar and Amarr tech. It adds flavor, to do the things you listed and to have an AV EWAR role the suit should be highly specialized what better way than to use a pirate faction model. I see you didn't get a single word I said. I know how Pirate faction gear works, and I still highly disagree with you. Also, you seriously think Scout suits are fine? LOL "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
Rifter7 Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 316	Posted - 2014.01.02 23:09:00 - [25] - Quote why do you people keep thinking scouts are bad! they dont need a role, they have their place. seriously what are you people fitting on them to get such bad results??? proto gallente scout^
Cass Caul 671	Posted - 2014.01.02 23:21:00 - [26] - Quote scouts have a role. don't **** with what doesn't exist or you'll make another Sentinel suit that has a bonus to things that don't exist. this is dumb. Also you bonuses to AV weapons are not a significant solution t the problem. damage, Alpha and/or DPS are not enough on the AV weapons. Although I like the swarms suggestion about large max ammo, 25m range? That's not enough to matter. 400m was not too grave a distance. Dropships could still ascend to get away from being targeted. and there are so many overhangs and hills and debris a tank can use for cover. I would settle for 300m though. Forge Guns need their charge time reduced to original Uprising times. 1.3/4 increased them, They don't need that nerf anymore. Plasma Cannon, needs a lot of work. like damage, splash damage, RoF, Reload Speed, and clip size. 2 in the clip isn't going to be enough. +Éß¦ëddGêÇ -çou -Äll+É-çoGö¦ one of 47% of gamers
echo47 Minmatar Republic 156	Posted - 2014.01.02 23:45:00 - [27] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: echo47 wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: echo47 wrote: I like the idea of AV and EWAR being related. I think the AV-EWAR role would be beter on dropsuit dedicated to AV and EWAR, not a scout. It should atleast be a medium frame. Maybe a pirate faction with the sole purpose of AV-EWAR. Blood Raider - Minmatar/Amarr This is the suit that should get the cloak and web modules. The reason I think this is that the role of AV-EWAR should be highly specialized and SP intensive because of the huge advantage Ewar modules will give a squad. We already see what active scanners are doing, dampners mean nothing if the entire squad isn't fitted with them. I think the special properties should be tied to higly specialized drop suit. You know how much sense this doesn't make? First off, There would be 0 reason to use the Scout. Second, medium frames are by far the worst way to do AV. The only reason why it worked before is because you could just sit in one spot. Now, you can't. Also, why make a whole new frame when you got one, and that one needs a role, which this would fit in perfectly? Also, why t=in the hell would you limit a entire role to a specific race? A scout is a scout, when flanking and using stealth the scout can hold its own right now with any suit in the game. Not a specific race two races you should have to have Amarr and Minmatar Assault III. BloodRaiders both Minmatar and Amarr tech. It adds flavor, to do the things you listed and to have an AV EWAR role the suit should be highly specialized what better way than to use a pirate faction model. I see you didn't get a single word I said. I know how Pirate faction gear works, and I still highly disagree with you. Also, you seriously think Scout suits are fine? LOL I just think it adds variety, right now the only diffeence that matters between the four factions is slot layout. I don't see issues with scouts. Another equipment slot and more CPU/PG to accomodate would be nice. If you are trying to take on two assaults or a heavy head on the scout suit sucks, but why would you do that. I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Intara Direct Action Caldari State 278	Posted - 2014.01.03 00:04:00 - [28] - Quote I like scouts in all , hell I use the suit just like most I believe do but EVERY SINGLE pro-scout thread that I have EVER SEEN has been and was entirely STUPID !!!!! STUPID because you people who do these threads have such TUNNEL VISION and short sightedness it seems , if it's possible as being somewhat racist to the other classes . You picked that role dammit and no one forced you to but you people love to put a guilt trip on the community and I'm frankly tired of reading crap like this . You people are clutching at straws all the time and it's somewhat pathetic . It's a role that YOU have picked and I just can't understand why YOU people do this . People are tired of Respec threads and I am tired of Pro-Scout threads . I have yet to read ONE and I mean ONE that doesn't sound like whining . " BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!
Kane Fyea Scions of Athra 2540	Posted - 2014.01.03 00:09:00 - [29] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: I like scouts in all , hell I use the suit just like most I believe do but EVERY SINGLE pro-scout thread that I have EVER SEEN has been and was entirely STUPID !!!!! STUPID because you people who do these threads have such TUNNEL VISION and short sightedness it seems , if it's possible as being somewhat racist to the other classes . You picked that role dammit and no one forced you to but you people love to put a guilt trip on the community and I'm frankly tired of reading crap like this . You people are clutching at straws all the time and it's somewhat pathetic . It's a role that YOU have picked and I just can't understand why YOU people do this . People are tired of Respec threads and I am tired of Pro-Scout threads . I have yet to read ONE and I mean ONE that doesn't sound like whining . I can agree the scout is UP but it does not need a new role. It just needs its role reinforced and make it the best at it because currently anything a scout can do a medium frame can do just as effectively or even more effectively.
Slightly-Mental Planetary Research and Investments 33	Posted - 2014.01.03 00:11:00 - [30] - Quote scouts have a role already. bomber's *ie RE's need a suit with bonus might be better mixing AV with that

Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc League of Infamy 631	Posted - 2014.01.03 04:53:00 - [31] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: I like scouts in all , hell I use the suit just like most I believe do but EVERY SINGLE pro-scout thread that I have EVER SEEN has been and was entirely STUPID !!!!! STUPID because you people who do these threads have such TUNNEL VISION and short sightedness it seems , if it's possible as being somewhat racist to the other classes . You picked that role dammit and no one forced you to but you people love to put a guilt trip on the community and I'm frankly tired of reading crap like this . You people are clutching at straws all the time and it's somewhat pathetic . It's a role that YOU have picked and I just can't understand why YOU people do this . People are tired of Respec threads and I am tired of Pro-Scout threads . I have yet to read ONE and I mean ONE that doesn't sound like whining . I can agree the scout is UP but it does not need a new role. It just needs its role reinforced and make it the best at it because currently anything a scout can do a medium frame can do just as effectively or even more effectively. What ***** role does the Scout have? Oh wait, it doesn't have one. you can use a Assault with a scanner and do just as well. Oh, and scanners are EWAR, and like I've already pointed out, electronic attack ships are most similar to Scouts. That's why I've been saying that they should be the best with EWAR. Also, we are racists towards the rest of the community? Really? I swear sometimes some of you *** have lost it lol. "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___**^
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 889	Posted - 2014.01.03 06:09:00 - [32] - Quote I like some of the ideas for modifying and improving A/V weaponry, but I'm against making the scout a suit which gets bonuses to A/V activities. Scouts should retain their bonuses to infiltration and recon (Gal), and infiltration and assassination (Min) and if those bonuses are tweaked or changed, I'd like to see them stay inline with what I consider to be the realm of the scout: to infiltrate (or flank) in order to cause chaos (or kill). I really don't want to see the scout become the suit people use for things which are very battlefield specific, such as A/V, if it is at the expense of their current bonuses. I don't mind them getting buffs to EWAR, again as long as it's not at the expense of their current bonuses (or similar future bonuses). Having an A/V suit as you describe sounds like a great idea, don't get me wrong - I just hope they don't turn the scout suit into something like that. It's a lightweight - a ninja, an infiltrator, a spy.... there are elements of EWAR in those realms, but it's mostly about stealth, mobility and situational awareness. Personally I think scouts needs some very minor tweaks... I really don't want to see them given a 'role' which overrides or is a deviation to how the suits are currently designed in terms of their bonuses, movement, dampening/recon, etc....
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 826	Posted - 2014.01.03 07:23:00 - [33] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: I like scouts in all , hell I use the suit just like most I believe do but EVERY SINGLE pro-scout thread that I have EVER SEEN has been and was entirely STUPID !!!!! STUPID because you people who do these threads have such TUNNEL VISION and short sightedness it seems , if it's possible as being somewhat racist to the other classes . You picked that role dammit and no one forced you to but you people love to put a guilt trip on the community and I'm frankly tired of reading crap like this . You people are clutching at straws all the time and it's somewhat pathetic . It's a role that YOU have picked and I just can't understand why YOU people do this . People are tired of Respec threads and I am tired of Pro-Scout threads . I have yet to read ONE and I mean ONE that doesn't sound like whining . They broke the role when as was added in full force to the game. Parody Dust 514 Lyrics Vote for Delt
Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc League of Infamy 701	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:22:00 - [34] - Quote Matticus Monk wrote: I like some of the ideas for modifying and improving A/V weaponry, but I'm against making the scout a suit which gets bonuses to A/V activities. Scouts should retain their bonuses to infiltration and recon (Gal), and infiltration and assassination (Min) and if those bonuses are tweaked or changed, I'd like to see them stay inline with what I consider to be the realm of the scout: to infiltrate (or flank) in order to cause chaos (or kill). I really don't want to see the scout become the suit people use for things which are very battlefield specific, such as A/V, if it is at the expense of their current bonuses. I don't mind them getting buffs to EWAR, again as long as it's not at the expense of their current bonuses (or similar future bonuses). Having an A/V suit as you describe sounds like a great idea, don't get me wrong - I just hope they don't turn the scout suit into something like that. It's a lightweight - a ninja, an infiltrator, a spy.... there are elements of EWAR in those realms, but it's mostly about stealth, mobility and situational awareness. Personally I think scouts needs some very minor tweaks... I really don't want to see them given a 'role' which overrides or is a deviation to how the suits are currently designed in terms of their bonuses, movement, dampening/recon, etc.... 1: Scout is a name, just like Logistic ships is just a name; logistic ships don't do logistics, and Scouts shouldn't all be scanners. Makes no sense once all EWAR shows up. 2: Want to cripple a BS or a BC real easy? use a Recon ship, or use a electric attack ship. Scouts are like those two, so they should be bonused towards EWAR. What you're describing is more of a Cov Ops ship, being the ones to scout out an area, and relay the specific info to the team. That kind of stuff would be things like such types and stuff. The Scout would pair up with them, and could do the same job, just probably be harder. That one would be called just Recon suit. "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc League of Infamy 707	Posted - 2014.01.18 15:58:00 - [35] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: I like scouts in all , hell I use the suit just like most I believe do but EVERY SINGLE pro-scout thread that I have EVER SEEN has been and was entirely STUPID !!!!! STUPID because you people who do these threads have such TUNNEL VISION and short sightedness it seems , if it's possible as being somewhat racist to the other classes . You picked that role dammit and no one forced you to but you people love to put a guilt trip on the community and I'm frankly tired of reading crap like this . You people are clutching at straws all the time and it's somewhat pathetic . It's a role that YOU have picked and I just can't understand why YOU people do this . People are tired of Respec threads and I am tired of Pro-Scout threads . I have yet to read ONE and I mean ONE that doesn't sound like whining . 1: I use other classes as well, like Logi, the complete opposite of Scout, or Sentinels, but not as much. 2: I picked the role, yet it's currently underpowered. I"m just giving ideas to how to fix it, just like how logis, assaults, commandos, or sentinels have been giving ideas on how to fix theirs. Is that so bad? Also, you didn't explain - How this was stupid -why is it stupid -what you would do instead 3: The only one whining here is you sir. "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
Aizen Intiki OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 728	Posted - 2014.01.22 04:26:00 - [36] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: echo47 wrote: I like the idea of AV and EWAR being related. I think the AV-EWAR role would be beter on dropsuit dedicated to AV and EWAR, not a scout. It should atleast be a medium frame. Maybe a pirate faction with the sole purpose of AV-EWAR. Blood Raider - Minmatar/Amarr This is the suit that should get the cloak and web modules. The reason I think this is that the role of AV-EWAR should be highly specialized and SP intensive because of the huge advantage Ewar modules will give a squad. We already see what active scanners are doing, dampners mean nothing if the entire squad isn't fitted with them. I think the special properties should be tied to higly specialized drop suit. You know how much sense this doesn't make? First off, There would be 0 reason to use the Scout. Second, medium frames are by far the worst way to do AV. The only reason why it worked before is because you could just sit in one spot. Now, you can't. Also, why make a whole new frame when you got one, and that one needs a role, which this would fit in perfectly? Also, why t=in the hell would you limit a entire role to a specific race? Or maybe make a scout a scout. That sounds like a perfect role for a scout doesn't it? So by that logic, the recon ships should abandon their EWAR skills? Because of a name. I swear, narrow minded people never think. "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^


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