http://youtu.be/dPOzbJxkEpI

see...
once you find a standard for it never ever touch it.

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Tripwire President John Gibson

Spot on.

I know there is much hate flung at our aim assist but it's not nearly as serious as BF4 or COD. Admittedly it gives your weapon some stickiness against targets but frankly it's broken very easily by the shooter or targets movements.

I also bet that if you ask any varsity shooters in Dust they would tell you they have no problem going 20/2 vs folks with aim assist. If you think aim assist will carry you to a positive KDR in Dust...I can't see it.

Chromosome.....no aim assist, great gameplay. Post Chromosome......bf3, cod, halo crap...and player count looking like the Greek GDP. Surprise, surprise. Welcome to console.

Chromosome.....no aim assist, great gameplay. Post Chromosome......bf3, cod, halo crap...and player count looking like the Greek GDP. Surprise, surprise. Welcome to console.

There was some impossible strafe dodging & aiming going on in Chrome. But that's a whole other topic.

In my Heavy suit I never noticed Aim-Assist. Use of cover at times limited incoming fire and when in the open the suit was slow enough evasion wasn't that hard to overcome. The legitimately good players (& the input cheaters) can maintain sustained headshots which against heavy frames is better than any AA.

http://youtu.be/dPOzbJxkEpI

see...
once you find a standard for it never ever touch it.

If you dont like it then turn it off. Man you show offs are annoying.

I never once saw the aiming in Chromosome as impossible. I saw it as Challenging, rewarding... engaging... edge of the seat butt clenching gun fights, anywhere and everywhere against everyone.

Scout's where a challenge and one of the most rewarding of all engagements. Fighting a 30 second++++ sometimes 1 minute against Annie Oakley and Calamity Jane was some of the most fondest memories I have made in this game. Why I tip my hat to them in every top 10 Merc's of DUST lists I make.

Heavies where lethal and took approach and plan at how you came at them to even stand a chance.

Hit registry was just as good as it is now... No Aim assist Crutch blowing up hitboxes.. or causing bullets to magnetise or w/e every Vet is experiencing with bullets following targets or "Homing" in...

Right now Aim assist is not something that hinders, its something used and abused, and is forced upon the competitive players or ones who truly understand the word "scrub" in games, and worse off...in majority don't want it. It has NOT helped new players in anyway other then putting a big band aid on hit detection for Uprising 1.4-1.6 after fixes from 1.0-1.3 where un successful...

and over all DUST has existed LONGER without AA, then it has existed WITH IT. a feature that has hurt DUST more then it has ever helped... Worse thing from my personal aspirations of making DUST appeal to my long time FPS friends... AA is such a polarizing issue in the FPS community that it will actually make people quit and never look back until it's gone.

But Hey it's in every FPS in consol history since like.....ever.... right? wait.. Except Doom, Golden eye, Perfect Dark, Soccom, MAG, CS:GO, KZ:SF, DUST EST Uprising 1.4....etcx200

Chrome had some terrible hit detection. I got the drop on a shotgun scout with my HMG on what was then a new map, he starred to jinky back and forth in a manner that is impossible with a joy stick. While ignoring all my DPS he casually three shotted me. My favorite HD story was a perfectly timed flux on a shotgunner about to cross a bridge. As his shields dropped my Toxin SMG was unloading somehow doing no (or negligible) damage. Charging across he three shotted me. My HWS was at 3 or 4 and SAS 5. In both cases I was better positioned and prepared only to magically lose thanks entirely to game bugs.

The glitch-fest and game-input cheats of Chrome are gone and I don't miss it.

Hit Detection has improved significantly with Uprising. While my HMG performance has had ups and downs now I can have good games whereas in Chromosome nearly breaking even was an excellent match. The only downside that immediately comes to mind is the fixes have indirectly nerfed the hell out of scouts and light frames.
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The glitch-fest and game-input cheats of Chrome are gone and I don't miss it.

Sounds like you where shooting beside the scout not on them... or just over the shoulder(have done it a lot and notice when you go back and look at capture card footage.) There was lag and some hit detection issues in Chromosome, DUST has never been perfect, or many games. Stutter stepping is done on the Ds3 and is still done and breaks AA pretty good.. really can throw a mouse user like nothing else though lol.

But if you turn Aim assist off right now there is no difference really in HD from now to Chromosome... Watch at 1:20 what the bullets do with AA.

Where did they go? Still Turbo controllers, still equipment spam.. still equipment being placed inside walls even ...... Except now we have a game setting that is referred by everyone in, the in game coms as "Auto Aim"

I Have seen new players Suffer 0/10, 0/20++ worse scores then ever.. wasn't even like that when in Chromosome people had their skills maxed out versus no skilled mercenaries..and Imp's running around in a full group.

you can't turn it off for everyone...

this is why we cant have nice things.

rational people don't like something, they don't use it. ass holes don't like something, they want it banned from everyones use.

Tripwire President John Gibson

when its broken it broken.

Chromosome.....no aim assist, great gameplay. Post Chromosome......bf3, cod, halo crap...and player count looking like the Greek GDP. Surprise, surprise. Welcome to console.

As a KBM player, i don't really have issues with people and their AA as i come from PC games where Aimbots are much much worse, but i don't get why they use it, i mean why not practice and get better instead of forever being crap?

Sure its gonna take a couple of months or so to get out of the sucky legion, but once out youll be able to actually take credit for all your kills.

As a KBM player, i don't really have issues with people and their AA as i come from PC games where Aimbots are much much worse, but i don't get why they use it, i mean why not practice and get better instead of forever being crap?

Sure its gonna take a couple of months or so to get out of the sucky legion, but once out youll be able to actually take credit for all your kills.

The skill ceiling on a KBM is far higher than on a DS3.
Argue Dust having sucky aiming all you want, but as soon as they fix KBM aiming AND remove AA, it will become KBM514.

that leads me to wonder why i did 58/14 on my last BF3 rush(300%). i don't remember the weapon, some russian LMG with 46 rounds, got 8 knife kills. so bad players since i only have 4 melee ribbons in bf3.

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there, that's proof that i am not bad player

LOL
Chromosome HAD aim assist.

It was removed early Uprising, which made people mad because aiming didn't feel right.

You know why it didn't feel right?
No aim assist

I took the opportunity to check your BF3 stats at BF3STATS.COM

Your PSN id is bsrking5 you are a lvl 5 psn'er with 143 trophies
123 Bronze
17 Silver
3 Gold
0 Plats

You have completed 13% of BF3 with 10 Trophies

Your BF3 lifetime accuracy is 14.77%
KDR .857
kills 1737
Deaths 2023
LVL 32 Srgt

Your best Weapon was the RPK-74M 3:51:41 playtime
accuracy 12.39%

My KDR and Accuracy are about the same, but I used the SKS (semi-auto sniper) and was with my squad not on a hill, and as a BF3 vet I know that KDR is not important in BF3 and should not be in DUST-only COD. 282 shiper ribbons and 384 suppression ribbons in my BF3 experience and a top 2% SKS sniper

I run mostly BPO on a DREN C-1, DREN AR, Toxin and have most of my 18,ill SP in passive skills. I put 2 million into lethality in the past month and my prior averager 1.0ish KDR has gone to 1.6 -1.8 this month will tell alot.

I would like to add I also played MOH Warfighter and picked up a LaRue 7.62 OBR and was the #1 player accross all platforms as an OBR squad sniper for a long long time-again near the objective not on hill!

It is hard to compare progress with DUST- in that there are so many laggers in the same match, EURO, ASIA, South Americans, north Americans all in the same server and those damn Ontarians. I need to get some video equipment because some of these "elite" players, one from Puerto Rico in particular, need to see what they look like-maybe the lag and all the SP advantage is why they play DUST?


I use thumb power, it's what seperates us from them!

Ya, the SKS is a beast I used it as a shotgun lol (and no AA as it is a Recon weapon). I have 18 million SP earned over the past 6 months and maybe in another 6 start fitting vehicles. I've been hoping to see the Caldari heavy and I wish the HMG to be like an M60.

Hey CCP give me an OBR! or working knees
ZIP ZAP

you can't turn it off for everyone...

Turn it off for yourself and stop crying. You want to gimp yourself thats fine by me but you have no business or right to try and change the way others play. AA is there for a reason if you dont like it then dont play.

You want to gimp yourself thats fine by me but you have no business or right to try and change the way others play. AA is there for a reason if you dont like it then dont play.

Mostly not true.

Chromosome did have some aim assist that wasn't part of the actual active aim assist setting.. like friction and a very mild LDS centering. But the Active Aim Assist got de-activated pre Chromosome due to the forum out rage about it.

The Main feature that made Uprising 1.0 and 1.1 so terrible for aiming feel compared to Chromosome was the Joystick acceleration curve they added onto the DS3 and then the Mouse/KB as it was a emulation at that point. The acceleration curve basically made it so the ds3 input would accelerate to extreme's with no reasonable cap., also made the M/KB have extreme inconsistency with the same movement pattern yielding vastly different results.

The Aiming Problems in Uprising was one created by Wolfman Reworking the entire system in Uprising 1.0 launch and throwing out the one in Chromosome as it was cause 1-2 Frame a second loss (He said)

If this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFqlnXZU6bw Is a thing you want to be a staple in DUST 514 now? Then fine.... I guess I chose the wrong game and my friends where right about CCP Shanghai. But as far as this game being an actual shooter with this? its a giant farce.

I asked him to repeat the experiment without aim assist.
I believe it's just lag compensation.

LOL
Chromosome HAD aim assist.

It was removed early Uprising, which made people mad because aiming didn't feel right.

You know why it didn't feel right?
No aim assist

Now you are just grasping at straws there ...

Aiming wasnt so bad start Uprising for DS3 users, but it was horrible for KBM because they had just input that DS3 virtual overlay that actually aimed oval instead of in a circle, sharpshooter was removed and KBM was using DS3 deadzones

I went from 20-30 kills on average in chromo without Any Aim Assist to 1-3 at the start of Uprising, i remember because that was for the first time i received a pity mail from someone about how they screwed over KBM users.


But wonder yourself why DS3 users s*ck 90% of the time ? Maybe they should start playing without Aim Assist so you know they can get better ?

There is really no diffrence between when i get nailed by an awesome DS3 user over someone i know that is good at KBM, ofcourse on my part i am wrestling with my crappy KBM controls, while the good DS3 player is assisted by the native control system + Aim Assist.

Its just that the crappy people cant aim with the DS3, but crappy people cant aim either with KBM either...

There is no such thing as picking up KBM and on second 1 of using it being on Counterstrike Tournament FPS level, but its funny seeing every DS3 player claiming it is..

The claim isn't that each person with a KB/M is inherently better than a person with a DS3. It is that the ceiling for KB/M is WAY WAY higher than a DS3. You balance around top-end play, not scrubs.

I HATE aim assists, but in order to level the playing field the KB/M people need to make concessions. That means (in my opinion) adding momentum (so that you can't change direction instantaneously) and turn speed caps and momentum.

If CCP would just implement those things, and get them right, and then leave them alone, I think any and all aim assist could be taken out, and I would be extremely happy (even while dying).

The claim isn't that each person with a KB/M is inherently better than a person with a DS3. It is that the ceiling for KB/M is WAY WAY higher than a DS3. You balance around top-end play, not scrubs.

I HATE aim assists, but in order to level the playing field the KB/M people need to make concessions. That means (in my opinion) adding momentum (so that you can't change direction instantaneously) and turn speed caps and momentum.

If CCP would just implement those things, and get them right, and then leave them alone, I think any and all aim assist could be taken out, and I would be extremely happy (even while dying).

I do care about getting better myself at aiming and tracking targets with my controller.. For DUST and Future of FPS's I may play(yes with the DS4). I Know Knight Solaire might be slightly better at aiming naturally then I am right now. But I am confident that my aiming potential could be just as good(If not better) given the chance for it to be worth turning aim assist off, to test and practice.

Some may enjoy not having to try hard to aim at a scout. I however enjoyed the concept of the scout suit, Medium suits and heavy suit, and that some would be easier to aim at and some would be harder, one of the main premises that attracted me to DUST 514. I have tried for several patches to get over aim assist making the time I put into learning how to aim on the controller worthless. But when I am actively hitting targets jumping, falling several stories, sprinting at 10m/s+ or even being across great distances(SCR/RR) I am able to Aim and track those targets as good as I hoped to when at my full personal aiming potential.

Some players may want to just worry about learning the skill system, fitting system and maps of DUST 514, and let all the actual use of the Guns in the FPS game be guided by a program setting that helps me aim center target, or stay on target while they move and jump..and many many other advantages I feel. Then why do we pay for our suits? why do we brag about anything really except the time we have put into DUST 514. Not how good we have got at a First Person Shooter built around a MMO concept.

I felt i stood a chance against some of the most recognized names on the killboards, I could claim killing a fair few with pride(As if that is really an accomplishment in the grand scheme) But it was me that did it(With no AA)and I always felt that I stood a chance. Now if they see me and I see them.. I Stand no chance, it is skill points and math, sure if I catch them off guard or have their back to me for a little time I can let Aim Assist help me aim quickly at them and usually kill them. But any ability I had to get the better of the famed "Gun Game" that addicted me to this title is gone, and the victories I do get feel hollow, almost like the sense of achievement in killing someone was robbed from me.


In Short +1 Remove Aim Assist.

CCP may support a F2P title, but they should promote making a better game player, not catering to those who refuse to get better.

I swap back and forth from KB/M and DS3 but I come from PC games and bought a PS3 FOR DUST (I'm an EVE player since 2006)

Right now KB/M aiming is so bad that my reticule actually REPELS off the target. You can notice this most on Vehicle like rail tanks shooting a stationary turret for example. I have to move the mouse to keep my aim point on a STATIONARY target!

Also, not having a custom map (or at least alternate maps) for the KB/M is ridiculous. I hit tab at least 4 times during most matches trying to access a repper tool or a armor hardener on my tank....

Aim assist seems pretty tame now. First it was repelling, then magnetic, and now it's barely noticeable. Jumping and dancing like a 'pro' is back from the dead.