DUST Search - aim assist gone bad

Bethhy wrote:

Rusty Shallows wrote:

Rahl Draak wrote:

Chromosome.....no aim assist, great gameplay. Post Chromosome......bf3, cod, halo crap...and player count looking like the Greek GDP. Surprise, surprise. Welcome to console.

There was some impossible strafe dodging & aiming going on in Chrome. But that's a whole other topic.

In my Heavy suit I never noticed Aim-Assist. Use of cover at times limited incoming fire and when in the open the suit was slow enough evasion wasn't that hard to overcome. The legitimately good players (& the input cheaters) can maintain sustained headshots which against heavy frames is better than any AA.

I never once saw the aiming in Chromosome as impossible. I saw it as Challenging, rewarding... engaging... edge of the seat butt clenching gun fights, anywhere and everywhere against everyone.

Scout's where a challenge and one of the most rewarding of all engagements. Fighting a 30 second++++ sometimes 1 minute against Annie Oakley and Calamity Jane was some of the most fondest memories I have made in this game. Why I tip my hat to them in every top 10 Merc's of DUST lists I make.

Heavies where lethal and took approach and plan at how you came at them to even stand a chance.

Hit registry was just as good as it is now... No Aim assist Crutch blowing up hitboxes.. or causing bullets to magnetise or w/e every Vet is experiencing with bullets following targets or "Homing" in...

Right now Aim assist is not something that hinders, its something used and abused, and is forced upon the competitive players or ones who truly understand the word "scrub" in games, and worse off...in majority don't want it. It has NOT helped new players in anyway other then putting a big band aid on hit detection for Uprising 1.4-1.6 after fixes from 1.0-1.3 where un successful...

and over all DUST has existed LONGER without AA, then it has existed WITH IT. a feature that has hurt DUST more then it has ever helped... Worse thing from my personal aspirations of making DUST appeal to my long time FPS friends... AA is such a polarizing issue in the FPS community that it will actually make people quit and never look back until it's gone.

But Hey it's in every FPS in consol history since like.....ever.... right? wait.. Except Doom, Golden eye, Perfect Dark, Soccom, MAG, CS:GO, KZ:SF, DUST EST Uprising 1.4....etcx200 Straight


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Rusty Shallows 666	Posted - 2014.01.02 01:14:00 - [1] - Quote Rahl Draak wrote: Chromosome.....no aim assist, great gameplay. Post Chromosome......bf3, cod, halo crap...and player count looking like the Greek GDP. Surprise, surprise. Welcome to console. There was some impossible strafe dodging & aiming going on in Chrome. But that's a whole other topic. In my Heavy suit I never noticed Aim-Assist. Use of cover at times limited incoming fire and when in the open the suit was slow enough evasion wasn't that hard to overcome. The legitimately good players (& the input cheaters) can maintain sustained headshots which against heavy frames is better than any AA. MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP
Rusty Shallows 667	Posted - 2014.01.02 03:22:00 - [2] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: Rahl Draak wrote: Chromosome.....no aim assist, great gameplay. Post Chromosome......bf3, cod, halo crap...and player count looking like the Greek GDP. Surprise, surprise. Welcome to console. There was some impossible strafe dodging & aiming going on in Chrome. But that's a whole other topic. In my Heavy suit I never noticed Aim-Assist. Use of cover at times limited incoming fire and when in the open the suit was slow enough evasion wasn't that hard to overcome. The legitimately good players (& the input cheaters) can maintain sustained headshots which against heavy frames is better than any AA. I never once saw the aiming in Chromosome as impossible. I saw it as Challenging, rewarding... engaging... edge of the seat butt clenching gun fights, anywhere and everywhere against everyone. Scout's where a challenge and one of the most rewarding of all engagements. Fighting a 30 second++++ sometimes 1 minute against Annie Oakley and Calamity Jane was some of the most fondest memories I have made in this game. Why I tip my hat to them in every top 10 Merc's of DUST lists I make. Heavies where lethal and took approach and plan at how you came at them to even stand a chance. Hit registry was just as good as it is now... No Aim assist Crutch blowing up hitboxes.. or causing bullets to magnetise or w/e every Vet is experiencing with bullets following targets or "Homing" in... Right now Aim assist is not something that hinders, its something used and abused, and is forced upon the competitive players or ones who truly understand the word "scrub" in games, and worse off...in majority don't want it. It has NOT helped new players in anyway other then putting a big band aid on hit detection for Uprising 1.4-1.6 after fixes from 1.0-1.3 where un successful... and over all DUST has existed LONGER without AA, then it has existed WITH IT. a feature that has hurt DUST more then it has ever helped... Worse thing from my personal aspirations of making DUST appeal to my long time FPS friends... AA is such a polarizing issue in the FPS community that it will actually make people quit and never look back until it's gone. But Hey it's in every FPS in consol history since like.....ever.... right? wait.. Except Doom, Golden eye, Perfect Dark, Soccom, MAG, CS:GO, KZ:SF, DUST EST Uprising 1.4....etcx200 Chrome had some terrible hit detection. I got the drop on a shotgun scout with my HMG on what was then a new map, he starred to jinky back and forth in a manner that is impossible with a joy stick. While ignoring all my DPS he casually three shotted me. My favorite HD story was a perfectly timed flux on a shotgunner about to cross a bridge. As his shields dropped my Toxin SMG was unloading somehow doing no (or negligible) damage. Charging across he three shotted me. My HWS was at 3 or 4 and SAS 5. In both cases I was better positioned and prepared only to magically lose thanks entirely to game bugs. The glitch-fest and game-input cheats of Chrome are gone and I don't miss it. Hit Detection has improved significantly with Uprising. While my HMG performance has had ups and downs now I can have good games whereas in Chromosome nearly breaking even was an excellent match. The only downside that immediately comes to mind is the fixes have indirectly nerfed the hell out of scouts and light frames. As previously stated AA hasn't changed the game one bit for my heavy frame, good or ill. So if the Devs drop it I won't notice. From my perspective it makes people who get angry over the topic look crazy. I'm sure there is an issue(s) causing problems but they are invisible to me. MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP
Rusty Shallows 669	Posted - 2014.01.02 06:40:00 - [3] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: The glitch-fest and game-input cheats of Chrome are gone and I don't miss it. Hit Detection has improved significantly with Uprising. While my HMG performance has had ups and downs now I can have good games whereas in Chromosome nearly breaking even was an excellent match. The only downside that immediately comes to mind is the fixes have indirectly nerfed the hell out of scouts and light frames. Sounds like you where shooting beside the scout not on them... or just over the shoulder(have done it a lot and notice when you go back and look at capture card footage.) There was lag and some hit detection issues in Chromosome, DUST has never been perfect, or many games. Stutter stepping is done on the Ds3 and is still done and breaks AA pretty good.. really can throw a mouse user like nothing else though lol. But if you turn Aim assist off right now there is no difference really in HD from now to Chromosome... Watch at 1:20 what the bullets do with AA. I am going to have to take you at your word with turning AA on/off and HD since AA was never noticeable with my HMG/SMG anyways. Sounds interesting. I was on target in both cases, if there was another element that seemed at play it would have been mentioned. In the case of the bridge he was running more or less at me. The impossible side stepping scout was short ranges, close enough he was inside the circle and far enough it didn't take too much effort to keep him more or less centered. Hit Detection issues are pretty easy to tell, counting lag in there. When the same weapons and tactics have varying result under the same conditions that's a dead giveaway something is wrong with the game. In Chromosome I had almost universally bad hit detection. At the start of Uprising my Toxin SMG started regularly getting kills, it was as if this was a different game. The most damming evidence was the direct-hit-zero-damage with Forge Guns. It used to be at least once a week I'd sneak up on someone (usually) a sniper and encounter that bug. Switching to the SMG and shooting them in the back of the head. Consequently the only time hit detection reliably worked with the Toxin. There have been plenty of times in Uprising where my SMG/HMG couldn't hurt a fly but that doesn't compare to almost all the time in Chrome in my case. The more people bring up their own experiences the more certain I am different game connections were having a drastic result in game-play between observers. Bethhy, you bring up a very interesting bit about frames and aiming. Wish there was a way to test it out. Lag was certainly an issue then and a factor. Bethhy wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: The glitch-fest and game-input cheats of Chrome are gone and I don't miss it. Where did they go? Still Turbo controllers, still equipment spam.. still equipment being placed inside walls even ...... Except now we have a game setting that is referred by everyone in, the in game coms as "Auto Aim" I Have seen new players Suffer 0/10, 0/20++ worse scores then ever.. wasn't even like that when in Chromosome people had their skills maxed out versus no skilled mercenaries..and Imp's running around in a full group. Most certainly true. I was trying to subtly reference keyboard and mouse with raw inputs. Which allowed for impossible strafing that can't be done on a D3 since the analog stick has physical delay greater than pressing keys. Lord only knows when they'll finally do something about modded/programmable controllers. A good number of us repeatedly said they were a problem at the height of the TAC-AR crisis. It wouldn't surprise me if others mentioned it even earlier in closed beta and no one remembers or took it seriously then. As far as bad scores goes I think we'd need some statistical data before making any analysis. On that topic it wouldn't be too surprising if having exited buy-in beta had some effect. But seriously if it can be shown that auto-aim is giving an unfair advantage then it should be dropped or the other inputs improved. Or dropped and other inputs leveled out so they don't suddenly have an unfair advantage. Good luck to the Devs figuring that mess out. MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP