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Knight Soiaire
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.01.02 02:51:00 -
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Soldiersaint wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:Please, not only does it help keep your crosshair on target, but the bullets magnetise toward the enemy.
Please remove it.
Sincerely, a Scout. *yawn* another show off. Get killed by aim assist some more. If you dont like it just turn it off. meanwhile me and every one else will enjoy killing your cocky scout. It does not magnetize the bullets. Show me some bullets that curve and then ill agree. Until then your full of it. Oh and dont even think about mentioning skill. I could care less about being a show off.
Watch this video;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFqlnXZU6bw
And pay close attention to 1:20 to get an example of what I mean.
I use KB/M by the way.
DUST is so broken, even my PS3 refuses to let me play it.
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DootDoot
Da Short Buss Legacy Rising
156
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Posted - 2014.01.02 03:04:00 -
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Soldiersaint wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:Please, not only does it help keep your crosshair on target, but the bullets magnetise toward the enemy.
Please remove it.
Sincerely, a Scout. *yawn* another show off. Get killed by aim assist some more. If you dont like it just turn it off. meanwhile me and every one else will enjoy killing your cocky scout. It does not magnetize the bullets. Show me some bullets that curve and then ill agree. Until then your full of it. Oh and dont even think about mentioning skill. I could care less about being a show off.
I do care about getting better myself at aiming and tracking targets with my controller.. For DUST and Future of FPS's I may play(yes with the DS4). I Know Knight Solaire might be slightly better at aiming naturally then I am right now. But I am confident that my aiming potential could be just as good(If not better) given the chance for it to be worth turning aim assist off, to test and practice.
Some may enjoy not having to try hard to aim at a scout. I however enjoyed the concept of the scout suit, Medium suits and heavy suit, and that some would be easier to aim at and some would be harder, one of the main premises that attracted me to DUST 514. I have tried for several patches to get over aim assist making the time I put into learning how to aim on the controller worthless. But when I am actively hitting targets jumping, falling several stories, sprinting at 10m/s+ or even being across great distances(SCR/RR) I am able to Aim and track those targets as good as I hoped to when at my full personal aiming potential.
Some players may want to just worry about learning the skill system, fitting system and maps of DUST 514, and let all the actual use of the Guns in the FPS game be guided by a program setting that helps me aim center target, or stay on target while they move and jump..and many many other advantages I feel. Then why do we pay for our suits? why do we brag about anything really except the time we have put into DUST 514. Not how good we have got at a First Person Shooter built around a MMO concept.
I felt i stood a chance against some of the most recognized names on the killboards, I could claim killing a fair few with pride(As if that is really an accomplishment in the grand scheme) But it was me that did it(With no AA)and I always felt that I stood a chance. Now if they see me and I see them.. I Stand no chance, it is skill points and math, sure if I catch them off guard or have their back to me for a little time I can let Aim Assist help me aim quickly at them and usually kill them. But any ability I had to get the better of the famed "Gun Game" that addicted me to this title is gone, and the victories I do get feel hollow, almost like the sense of achievement in killing someone was robbed from me.
In Short +1 Remove Aim Assist.
CCP may support a F2P title, but they should promote making a better game player, not catering to those who refuse to get better. |
Dengru
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.01.02 10:36:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:Please, not only does it help keep your crosshair on target, but the bullets magnetise toward the enemy.
Please remove it.
Sincerely, a Scout. *yawn* another show off. Get killed by aim assist some more. If you dont like it just turn it off. meanwhile me and every one else will enjoy killing your cocky scout. It does not magnetize the bullets. Show me some bullets that curve and then ill agree. Until then your full of it. Oh and dont even think about mentioning skill. I could care less about being a show off. Watch this video; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFqlnXZU6bwAnd pay close attention to 1:20 to get an example of what I mean. I use KB/M by the way.
That is gross
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richiesutie 2
The Rainbow Effect
642
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Posted - 2014.01.02 15:28:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:richiesutie 2 wrote:Scouts really arn't that bad IMO they're very close to becoming the next FOTM. I even went 46/6 in a god damn ambush just tonight.
Driving a tank and calling orbitals? Nope i was solo in a adv gal scout and a combat rifle.
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Check it out! :)
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Knight Soiaire
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
4200
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Posted - 2014.01.02 15:49:00 -
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Dengru wrote:That is gross
Whats more disgusting is that there are people out there who think it doesn't make a difference.
DUST is so broken, even my PS3 refuses to let me play it.
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen
208
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Posted - 2014.01.02 16:02:00 -
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I turned mine off, it felt... 'sticky' like I wasn't aiming at all. Granted I miss a lot, to be expected, but I feel more in control. 1:20 is horrible.
'Don't talk to stranger, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT
I will never stop killing you.
Dropship Pilot/Ninja/Sniper
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gabriel login
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
94
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Posted - 2014.01.02 16:22:00 -
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I bet that the shot hitting an him not have the crosshair on the target has less to do with aa an more to do with the hit box not being able to keep up with the real fast strafing that people from like 1995 to 2000 of gameing seem to love even tho it makes combat look arcade like an the game bad an not polished. as far as the tracking it onlys moves a foot if that an as he said he was not even trying to aim let me see you try that in a real game bet you go 0/10+. |
Monkey MAC
Lost Millennium
1393
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Posted - 2014.01.02 16:30:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:Please, not only does it help keep your crosshair on target, but the bullets magnetise toward the enemy.
Please remove it.
Sincerely, a Scout.
Really? You still believe that?
Aim Assist doesn't chamge the trajectory, because there are no trajectories to calculate. You know what actually happens? Lag Compensation on the hit box, if kts happening to you regularly make sure your connection has a low jitter.
Sincerly a Computer Programmer
Tanks 514
I told you, I bloody well told you.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
2020
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Posted - 2014.01.02 16:37:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:Please, not only does it help keep your crosshair on target, but the bullets magnetise toward the enemy.
Please remove it.
Sincerely, a Scout. The Aim Assist lock breaks if you move a bit more than a shuffle strafe. As a Scout you should be orbiting, or jumping over the Aim Assist cone if you are crossing back through their line of fire. I see Assault Suits from good Corps successfully speed tanking against aim assist. It should be even easier for a Scout.
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else, there is the Learning Coalition.
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Knight Soiaire
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
4201
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Posted - 2014.01.02 17:14:00 -
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gabriel login wrote:I bet that the shot hitting an him not haveing the crosshair on the target has less to do with aa an more to do with the hit box not being able to keep up with the real fast strafing that people from like 1995 to 2000 of gameing seem to love even tho it makes combat look arcade like an the game bad an not polished. as far as the tracking it onlys moves a foot if that an as he said he was not even trying to aim let me see you try that in a real game bet you go 0/10+.
If he was trying to aim, it would've been even more disgusting.
Really, it probably would cause me to vomit, keep defending this crutch.
Even IWS said magnetism needs to be reduced, so there clearly is some there.
I have no problem with how it tracks targets, although I would like to see the tracking effectiveness reduced, the magnetism is just horrible though.
DUST is so broken, even my PS3 refuses to let me play it.
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Monkey MAC
Lost Millennium
1397
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Posted - 2014.01.02 17:17:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:gabriel login wrote:I bet that the shot hitting an him not haveing the crosshair on the target has less to do with aa an more to do with the hit box not being able to keep up with the real fast strafing that people from like 1995 to 2000 of gameing seem to love even tho it makes combat look arcade like an the game bad an not polished. as far as the tracking it onlys moves a foot if that an as he said he was not even trying to aim let me see you try that in a real game bet you go 0/10+. If he was trying to aim, it would've been even more disgusting. Really, it probably would cause me to vomit, keep defending this crutch. Even IWS said magnetism needs to be reduced, so there clearly is some there. I have no problem with how it tracks targets, although I would like to see the tracking effectiveness reduced, the LAG COMPENSATION is just horrible though.
Fixed that for you.
Tanks 514
I told you, I bloody well told you.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
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Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
971
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Posted - 2014.01.02 17:23:00 -
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No, keep it. I don't want a leetist game. I want a game for everyone.
And so do you if you know what's good for the game. Else it will be you and five other ppl left playing. CCP should certainly cares about playerbase.
I don't see a difference myself. Although, I don't ever intend to be as good with a stupid little game controller as I am with a real rifle. That would just beGǪ pathetic.
Do your part. Join the revolution. Sabotage FW. Help this game burn!
BURN DUST 2014
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Knight Soiaire
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
4202
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Posted - 2014.01.02 17:31:00 -
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Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:No, keep it. I don't want a leetist game. I want a game for everyone.
And so do you if you know what's good for the game. Else it will be you and five other ppl left playing. CCP should certainly cares about playerbase.
I don't see a difference myself. Although, I don't ever intend to be as good with a stupid little game controller as I am with a real rifle. That would just beGǪ pathetic.
At least turn it off in Low-Sec.
FW and PC should be competitive, and shouldn't be welcoming to newbies, and Aim Assist just makes the whole 'Competitive' aspect of this game a joke.
DUST is so broken, even my PS3 refuses to let me play it.
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Moorian Flav
Ectype Inc.
115
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Posted - 2014.01.02 17:34:00 -
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As said previously, remove KB/M support and I'd be happy to agree with the removal of Aim Assist. In fact, I'd love to see the changes in some players stats if both were removed.
I don't troll; I tell the truth.
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Knight Soiaire
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
4202
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Posted - 2014.01.02 17:36:00 -
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Moorian Flav wrote:As said previously, remove KB/M support and I'd be happy to agree with the removal of Aim Assist. In fact, I'd love to see the changes in some players stats if both were removed.
KB/M would not have an advantage if AA were to be removed / reduced.
DUST is so broken, even my PS3 refuses to let me play it.
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50LD13R
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
5
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Posted - 2014.01.02 17:49:00 -
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I can't help but think, if aim assist (or hit box size/bullet magnetism) were fixed, we'd see far fewer threads about TTK. I play without AA, and yeah I get face raped alot, but I turn it on occasionally if I keep getting protostomped. I can tell the difference when I've changed it mid-match. I'm a logi, not a slayer, but I start mowing through proto assaults even with no damage mods. I won't claim to know for certain that AA is all that's doing it, but empirical evidence suggests so. |
Knight Soiaire
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.01.03 20:55:00 -
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Bump for justice.
DUST is so broken, even my PS3 refuses to let me play it.
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KA24DERT
TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback
379
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Posted - 2014.01.03 21:42:00 -
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Aim assist needs to be removed.
If you want the computer to help you aim, then you are playing the wrong genre. |
Scalesdini
BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
202
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Posted - 2014.01.03 21:46:00 -
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Simple fix: Make aim assist a module, give a high/low slot version.
You want a computer to help you aim? Fine. You sacrifice performance in other areas for that help. |
Harpyja
DUST University Ivy League
1011
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Posted - 2014.01.04 00:59:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:Aim assist needs to be removed.
If you want the computer to help you aim, then you are playing the wrong genre. Wrong genre?
Dust is in a universe where turrets on ships automatically track targets. I'd think that our vehicle turrets should at least automatically track whatever we want. I don't even see why our dropsuits shouldn't be able to do the aiming and tracking for us. All we'd have to do is pick a target and pull the trigger.
Be glad it's not like that and we have a simple aim assist that barely does anything.
"By His light, and His will"
- The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
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DootDoot
Da Short Buss Legacy Rising
158
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Posted - 2014.01.04 01:07:00 -
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Harpyja wrote:KA24DERT wrote:Aim assist needs to be removed.
If you want the computer to help you aim, then you are playing the wrong genre. Wrong genre? Dust is in a universe where turrets on ships automatically track targets. I'd think that our vehicle turrets should at least automatically track whatever we want. I don't even see why our dropsuits shouldn't be able to do the aiming and tracking for us. All we'd have to do is pick a target and pull the trigger. Be glad it's not like that and we have a simple aim assist that barely does anything.
He had it right. wrong game, this is a shooter... Eve ----------->Www.eveonline.com Valkyrie-----> Www.evevalkyrie.com
suit's, equipment, weapons and a computer program should never do a majority of the work for you in a shooter. if you think it should your doing it wrong. |
KA24DERT
TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback
384
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Posted - 2014.01.04 08:28:00 -
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Harpyja wrote:KA24DERT wrote:Aim assist needs to be removed.
If you want the computer to help you aim, then you are playing the wrong genre. Wrong genre? Dust is in a universe where turrets on ships automatically track targets. I'd think that our vehicle turrets should at least automatically track whatever we want. I don't even see why our dropsuits shouldn't be able to do the aiming and tracking for us. All we'd have to do is pick a target and pull the trigger. Be glad it's not like that and we have a simple aim assist that barely does anything.
Eve isn't in the same genre as Dust.
And the aim assist does a hell of a lot.
I'll be glad when it's removed from the game, and not before. |
m twiggz
Pradox One Proficiency V.
227
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Posted - 2014.01.04 09:05:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:Please, not only does it help keep your crosshair on target, but the bullets magnetise toward the enemy.
Please remove it.
Sincerely, a Scout. *yawn* another show off. Get killed by aim assist some more. If you dont like it just turn it off. meanwhile me and every one else will enjoy killing your cocky scout. It does not magnetize the bullets. Show me some bullets that curve and then ill agree. Until then your full of it. Oh and dont even think about mentioning skill. I could care less about being a show off. Watch this video; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFqlnXZU6bwAnd pay close attention to 1:20 to get an example of what I mean. I use KB/M by the way. In all honesty I have tested this exact thing with completely different results. I don't use aim assist enough to know how it actually works but after now watching this video for the hundredth time it appears to have the same aim assist mechanics as most FPS games. The reason the target gets hit while the bullets appear to behind him is due to client - server latency. According to the server the client (player) is in that spot while the bullets from the attacking client (player) are reaching that same spot. Go watch any other FPS aim assist videos on YouTube and you will notice the same results.
A lot of players that play Dust also play CoD and BF. In my opinion the aim assist is far more effective in those games than this. Meaning that it's more noticeable and prevalent. I think for a FPS on a console the aim assist in Dust is very light.
I could careless if aim assist is in the game or not being that I don't use it. If it gives inexperienced FPS players a bit of a crutch to kill hordes of protostompers so be it. I notice QQ'ing about aim assists from vets or try hards more than anyone else. If it's really that big of an issue then use it yourself. If you vets and try hards are really as great as you say and with the way you describe aim assist you'd all be gods!
PS; if you need aim assist on a shogun you should seriously reconsider your weapon choice. |
CrotchGrab 360
The Men In The Mirror
1340
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Posted - 2014.01.04 11:17:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:Please, not only does it help keep your crosshair on target, but the bullets magnetise toward the enemy.
Please remove it.
Sincerely, a Scout.
please don't, i have really bad aim. |
Azura Sakura
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
544
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Posted - 2014.01.04 12:39:00 -
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Remove aim assist and kb/m will own all (the people that relay on aim assist) |
Dengru
Fatal Absolution
347
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Posted - 2014.01.04 13:43:00 -
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People always say they need aim assist to compete with kB/M,, but I'm unsure where you all are fighting these people so often? DS3 are majority so in reality you're using aim assist to fight other aim assist ds3s, and give you advantage over non aim assist ds3.
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G Torq
ALTA B2O
345
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Posted - 2014.01.04 14:24:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:Moorian Flav wrote:As said previously, remove KB/M support and I'd be happy to agree with the removal of Aim Assist. In fact, I'd love to see the changes in some players stats if both were removed. KB/M would not have an advantage if AA were to be removed / reduced. Statement runs counter to what CCP has previously said they have observed.
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