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Justice Darling Expert Intervention Caldari State 7	Posted - 2013.12.31 08:46:00 - [1] - Quote I would like to see wp's removed from unclaimed turrets, its not like we have any control on where they show up... good thing we stage for nothing, not like making them useful or anything like putting them right down the line of sight or right on top of Control nods that forces them to be taken down right away. As it is right now tankers drive up to the unclaimed ones, that our usefull and kill them and the rest of us are SOL if you want to try and kill tanks from the other side, I think removing wp's from the unhelpfully or helpfully place turrets would turn this around and make it point less for players to kill them unless they are claimed.
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 1111	Posted - 2013.12.31 09:42:00 - [2] - Quote Afraid not. Vehicle users kill turrets so they cannot be taken by reds and used against us. Points or no points we will always kill them. Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
Shokhann Echo Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 134	Posted - 2013.12.31 09:43:00 - [3] - Quote actually, regardless of wp, tanks will kill instillations for safety precautions many times a tanker will ignore an instillation on the map because an infantry guy hacked it, only for it to be hacked to the red side 2 minutes later and start firing on the tanks. its never really been about the wp when dealing with instillations, its about the strategic precautions because they don't want to die. Youtube Alt # 1 Back on main 3-31-2014
Lonegnr Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 35	Posted - 2013.12.31 10:14:00 - [4] - Quote Shokhann Echo wrote: its never really been about the wp when dealing with installations, its about the strategic precautions because they don't want to die. Agree with you there, but also agree with OP simply because there's no reason to award WPs for destroying a neutral platform. I was watching tanks destroy neutral installations at the start of every match today. Precaution or not, a neutral installation is not a threat in the moment, but it is indeed a very viable team asset. It doesn't make sense to award WPs for their destruction when there is no risk involved and the only motivator present is self-preservation. If the solo tanker feels the need to take out his team's installations so he can prolong his unimpeded killing spree, fine, but don't reward him for it.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 486	Posted - 2013.12.31 11:22:00 - [5] - Quote I don't think tankers target turrets as preemptive strike, because I've never seen a tanker rush to the other side and destroy any red turrets in the beginning of a match. Why are they worried about turrets that could "potentially"go red rather than turrets that are guaranteed red? Neutral turrets are too easy of WPs, they are destroyed for this reason primarily. The benefit that they take away a potential enemy turret is just a nice extra.
Blaze Ashra Ametat Security Amarr Empire 69	Posted - 2013.12.31 11:49:00 - [6] - Quote I'm still taking them out either way.
Mortedeamor 1155	Posted - 2013.12.31 11:52:00 - [7] - Quote Justice Darling wrote: I would like to see wp's removed from unclaimed turrets, its not like we have any control on where they show up... good thing we stage for nothing, not like making them useful or anything like putting them right down the line of sight or right on top of Control nods that forces them to be taken down right away. As it is right now tankers drive up to the unclaimed ones, that our usefull and kill them and the rest of us are SOL if you want to try and kill tanks from the other side, I think removing wp's from the unhelpfully or helpfully place turrets would turn this around and make it point less for players to kill them unless they are claimed. we do that because otherwise bluedots hack it,..and then we cant get rid of it..and sadly because the average bluedot fails at dust it the gets taken by the enemy and later becomes a burden to us..even if u remove the wp reward for destroying it no smart tanker would leave a turret alive he can destroy less it later become a hindrance why use suits when ccp gave us nice shiny op as hell tanks that cost next to nothing
Mortedeamor 1155	Posted - 2013.12.31 11:54:00 - [8] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: I don't think tankers target turrets as preemptive strike, because I've never seen a tanker rush to the other side and destroy any red turrets in the beginning of a match. Why are they worried about turrets that could "potentially"go red rather than turrets that are guaranteed red? Neutral turrets are too easy of WPs, they are destroyed for this reason primarily. The benefit that they take away a potential enemy turret is just a nice extra. number 1 objective with tank wipe out all ..AND I MEAN ALL TURRETS first thing ..so maybe scrubby tankers dont but s far as i am aware of all true tankers make turrets a priority only under enemy tanks upon entering the battlefield why use suits when ccp gave us nice shiny op as hell tanks that cost next to nothing
J0hlss0n Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 72	Posted - 2013.12.31 11:54:00 - [9] - Quote And there goes another chance for a poor heavy to make points... I cant scan, drop hives, uplinks or rep people... oh well, by the time a change like this happens I hope CCP has changed it so you get points for damaging tanks and such, because thats what I mostly do with my forge these days. =P
Mortedeamor 1155	Posted - 2013.12.31 12:14:00 - [10] - Quote J0hlss0n wrote: And there goes another chance for a poor heavy to make points... I cant scan, drop hives, uplinks or rep people... oh well, by the time a change like this happens I hope CCP has changed it so you get points for damaging tanks and such, because thats what I mostly do with my forge these days. =P asa heavy ur supposed to get your wp through kills not logistical support why use suits when ccp gave us nice shiny op as hell tanks that cost next to nothing

SHANN da MAN D3LTA FORC3 128	Posted - 2013.12.31 16:51:00 - [11] - Quote They should make Enemy (RED) turrets 50 WP (they are too easy to kill to merit 100 WP, other installation items are FAR harder to destroy and only give 50 WP) +50 WP for the enemy kill if manned. Neutral (yellow) Installations should be 25 WP , they are not a current threat and the turrets don't even attempt to fire. nothing to see here ... move along
Justice Darling Expert Intervention Caldari State 8	Posted - 2013.12.31 21:07:00 - [12] - Quote Shokhann Echo wrote: actually, regardless of wp, tanks will kill instillations for safety precautions many times a tanker will ignore an instillation on the map because an infantry guy hacked it, only for it to be hacked to the red side 2 minutes later and start firing on the tanks. its never really been about the wp when dealing with instillations, its about the strategic precautions because they don't want to die. Actually you don't and you know it you do it for the point and nothing else if not go to the other side of the map and kill the reds turrets and let someone else other then your self get some points as well.
Justice Darling Expert Intervention Caldari State 8	Posted - 2013.12.31 21:13:00 - [13] - Quote SHANN da MAN wrote: They should make Enemy (RED) turrets 50 WP (they are too easy to kill to merit 100 WP, other installation items are FAR harder to destroy and only give 50 WP) +50 WP for the enemy kill if manned. Neutral (yellow) Installations should be 25 WP , they are not a current threat and the turrets don't even attempt to fire. I like this idea sounds like your on the right track!
Justice Darling Expert Intervention Caldari State 8	Posted - 2013.12.31 21:16:00 - [14] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: Galvan Nized wrote: I don't think tankers target turrets as preemptive strike, because I've never seen a tanker rush to the other side and destroy any red turrets in the beginning of a match. Why are they worried about turrets that could "potentially"go red rather than turrets that are guaranteed red? Neutral turrets are too easy of WPs, they are destroyed for this reason primarily. The benefit that they take away a potential enemy turret is just a nice extra. number 1 objective with tank wipe out all ..AND I MEAN ALL TURRETS first thing ..so maybe scrubby tankers dont but s far as i am aware of all true tankers make turrets a priority only under enemy tanks upon entering the battlefield Then start at the enemy side of the map plan and simple, or at less half way up the map don't kill friendly stuff that is usefully that is just bad manners :P
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 35	Posted - 2013.12.31 21:18:00 - [15] - Quote Justice Darling wrote: Shokhann Echo wrote: actually, regardless of wp, tanks will kill instillations for safety precautions many times a tanker will ignore an instillation on the map because an infantry guy hacked it, only for it to be hacked to the red side 2 minutes later and start firing on the tanks. its never really been about the wp when dealing with instillations, its about the strategic precautions because they don't want to die. Actually you don't and you know it you do it for the point and nothing else if not go to the other side of the map and kill the reds turrets and let someone else other then your self get some points as well. personaly i dont go to the other side of the map because there are a bunch of rail turrets and u shouldt be near redline (besides the objectives that are there but they usually arent to close to spawn). Caldari Loyalist
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 835	Posted - 2013.12.31 21:56:00 - [16] - Quote If I go to the redline to nuke their turrets a blueberry hacks the neutral turrets, which then either get destroyed by the enemy(giving them free points toward an orbital), or hacked and used against me. So no, I will destroy those turrets. each and every one, specifically to keep you ADD addled punks from grabbing them and then running off to whatever the next shiny object in your view is. Because that kind of crap gets me killed and my tank costs a hell of a lot more than any suit you can make, so I will protect my investment. You stick to your job(hacking the points/crus/sds and/or killing infantry) and I'll stick to mine(killing the enemy's big guns, any crus/sds we can't reach and/or killing infantry.) Kay? If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
J0hlss0n Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 72	Posted - 2013.12.31 21:57:00 - [17] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: asa heavy ur supposed to get your wp through kills not logistical support Could just be me, but it doesnt matter how many kills I get (can get 30plus and not get close to a logis points who only kills 5), the guys with dropuplinks, repping hives/hivets etc easilly gets lots more, the isk payout also reflects this... I just wish the heavies could in some way get more points/isk in some way, blowing up installations is one thing I can do to get wp... and IF they change it so damage done to tanks etc will reward then thatd be another... oh well, not the biggest problem, just a thought that hit me when seeing ideas about the turrets etc. =)
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1054	Posted - 2013.12.31 21:58:00 - [18] - Quote just make them 5 times tougher and terrible at tracking infantry
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 416	Posted - 2013.12.31 22:30:00 - [19] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: I don't think tankers target turrets as preemptive strike, because I've never seen a tanker rush to the other side and destroy any red turrets in the beginning of a match. Why are they worried about turrets that could "potentially"go red rather than turrets that are guaranteed red? Neutral turrets are too easy of WPs, they are destroyed for this reason primarily. The benefit that they take away a potential enemy turret is just a nice extra. If possible I do it all the time with Railturrets to assist my tankers and to protect me if I am in a LAV...points or not I will always try to shoot them.
Shruikan Iceeye 0uter.Heaven 136	Posted - 2013.12.31 22:48:00 - [20] - Quote unclaimed derpterts?

Onesimus Tarsus 741	Posted - 2013.12.31 22:50:00 - [21] - Quote Those turrets should be just this side of indestructible, blind to anything smaller than a LAV unless manned, and should chew through tanks like tissue paper, especially when manned. Also, CRUs and Resupplies should be indestructible. And if not, NULLs should be destructible. By light weapons. MCCs too. In fact, a lone clone with a Scrambler pistol ought to be able to one-shot an MCC like a helium balloon. Big red button that respecs your SP on demand. Protos only get points from killing protos.
Bob Amarrley KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 26	Posted - 2013.12.31 22:54:00 - [22] - Quote I never use this board, but I logged in to vote for turrets being unkillable until they have been claimed. HTFU, tanks.
Mortedeamor 1156	Posted - 2013.12.31 23:24:00 - [23] - Quote Justice Darling wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: Galvan Nized wrote: I don't think tankers target turrets as preemptive strike, because I've never seen a tanker rush to the other side and destroy any red turrets in the beginning of a match. Why are they worried about turrets that could "potentially"go red rather than turrets that are guaranteed red? Neutral turrets are too easy of WPs, they are destroyed for this reason primarily. The benefit that they take away a potential enemy turret is just a nice extra. number 1 objective with tank wipe out all ..AND I MEAN ALL TURRETS first thing ..so maybe scrubby tankers dont but s far as i am aware of all true tankers make turrets a priority only under enemy tanks upon entering the battlefield Then start at the enemy side of the map plan and simple, or at less half way up the map don't kill friendly stuff that is usefully that is just bad manners :P why so after im done wiping out the enemy objectives turrets and fighting they're tanks and im coming back to ground base because all my cooldowns are ticking..i can be shot from where i just came by enemy turrets because blue dots cant bunker down and hold anything and then lose my tank? no in pc no one hacks turets..they let the tanks blow them up because they can only later become a major hindrance in battle stop Q_qing and stfu it is common practice to eliminate all turrets from the front to back lest the rear becomes lost and result in the hindrance of the ally tanks why use suits when ccp gave us nice shiny op as hell tanks that cost next to nothing
Mortedeamor 1156	Posted - 2013.12.31 23:27:00 - [24] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: I don't think tankers target turrets as preemptive strike, because I've never seen a tanker rush to the other side and destroy any red turrets in the beginning of a match. Why are they worried about turrets that could "potentially"go red rather than turrets that are guaranteed red? Neutral turrets are too easy of WPs, they are destroyed for this reason primarily. The benefit that they take away a potential enemy turret is just a nice extra. because it provides a safe route to retreat upon for cooldeowns..it sucks to be hurt and on cool down and to run into a red enemy rail u somehow passed over... why should we leave free turrets around for anyone to use when they are a threat to us why use suits when ccp gave us nice shiny op as hell tanks that cost next to nothing
Justice Prevails 158	Posted - 2014.01.01 00:05:00 - [25] - Quote Tankers need something to do on their way to camp spawn points; besides giving a nod to the enemy tanker on his way to do the same. We should just have a mode, infantry vs tanks. That would be fun. Great job, team. Head back to the MCC for debriefing and cocktails.
SHANN da MAN D3LTA FORC3 134	Posted - 2014.01.01 00:14:00 - [26] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: If I go to the redline to nuke their turrets a blueberry hacks the neutral turrets, which then either get destroyed by the enemy(giving them free points toward an orbital), or hacked and used against me. So no, I will destroy those turrets. each and every one, specifically to keep you ADD addled punks from grabbing them and then running off to whatever the next shiny object in your view is. Because that kind of crap gets me killed and my tank costs a hell of a lot more than any suit you can make, so I will protect my investment. You stick to your job(hacking the points/crus/sds and/or killing infantry) and I'll stick to mine(killing the enemy's big guns, any crus/sds we can't reach and/or killing infantry.) Kay? Tanks may have cost "a hell of a lot more" with the OLD Tanks ... the current, reduced price Tank Fits are comparable in cost to a good PROTO Fit Suit nothing to see here ... move along
jordy mack Ultramarine Corp 77	Posted - 2014.01.01 00:50:00 - [27] - Quote I agree with a hp buff and getting no wp for nuetrals, or maybe they should shoot back if fired upon when nuetral?
Shokhann Echo Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 142	Posted - 2014.01.01 00:59:00 - [28] - Quote Justice Darling wrote: Shokhann Echo wrote: actually, regardless of wp, tanks will kill instillations for safety precautions many times a tanker will ignore an instillation on the map because an infantry guy hacked it, only for it to be hacked to the red side 2 minutes later and start firing on the tanks. its never really been about the wp when dealing with instillations, its about the strategic precautions because they don't want to die. Actually you don't and you know it you do it for the point and nothing else if not go to the other side of the map and kill the reds turrets and let someone else other then your self get some points as well. if I go to the enemy side of the map, il kill the instillations, most of the time the enemy tanks do it for me Youtube Alt # 1 Back on main 3-31-2014
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 211	Posted - 2014.01.01 01:19:00 - [29] - Quote Lonegnr wrote: Shokhann Echo wrote: its never really been about the wp when dealing with installations, its about the strategic precautions because they don't want to die. Agree with you there, but also agree with OP simply because there's no reason to award WPs for destroying a neutral platform. I was watching tanks destroy neutral installations at the start of every match today. Precaution or not, a neutral installation is not a threat in the moment, but it is indeed a very viable team asset. It doesn't make sense to award WPs for their destruction when there is no risk involved and the only motivator present is self-preservation. If the solo tanker feels the need to take out his team's installations so he can prolong his unimpeded killing spree, fine, but don't reward him for it. when I have tanks on the field turrets are never an asset, they are however always 10secs away from being the most massive liability on the field, I mean go ahead and take away the WP it just means that once tanks blow up the turrets they will have to make up the WP difference in infantry hide.
Lorhak Gannarsein 952	Posted - 2014.01.01 01:30:00 - [30] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: I don't think tankers target turrets as preemptive strike, because I've never seen a tanker rush to the other side and destroy any red turrets in the beginning of a match. Why are they worried about turrets that could "potentially"go red rather than turrets that are guaranteed red? Neutral turrets are too easy of WPs, they are destroyed for this reason primarily. The benefit that they take away a potential enemy turret is just a nice extra. A couple of reasons. We don't go to the redline to do it because those ones aren't going to kill us as we run away from the first engagements. Blues don't like keeping turrets hacked, so we destroy them to eliminate the liability. The warpoints are nice, but even if they gave negative WP I'd still do it. Finally, use the search function. Every time this topic comes up, we give the same answers. PRO tanker and proud. Lentarr Legionary.

Mortedeamor 1160	Posted - 2014.01.01 02:17:00 - [31] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Galvan Nized wrote: I don't think tankers target turrets as preemptive strike, because I've never seen a tanker rush to the other side and destroy any red turrets in the beginning of a match. Why are they worried about turrets that could "potentially"go red rather than turrets that are guaranteed red? Neutral turrets are too easy of WPs, they are destroyed for this reason primarily. The benefit that they take away a potential enemy turret is just a nice extra. A couple of reasons. We don't go to the redline to do it because those ones aren't going to kill us as we run away from the first engagements. Blues don't like keeping turrets hacked, so we destroy them to eliminate the liability. The warpoints are nice, but even if they gave negative WP I'd still do it. Finally, use the search function. Every time this topic comes up, we give the same answers. seriously like ive said regardless of wp reward it is simply the tactical choice to make eliminating liabilities before they become a detriment to your game why use suits when ccp gave us nice shiny op as hell tanks that cost next to nothing
Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc 626	Posted - 2014.01.01 02:27:00 - [32] - Quote I thought I went over this. Priority #1: kill any installations that my team/squad doesn't want. That means (most of the time, as in 98% of the time) any turret. I go as far as to go into the redline to kill the turrets. Why? Because they can slow movement towards the null cannons, stopping that needed hack, and could down any air traffic with ease. I am willing (and have done it on several occasions) to drive deep into the redline, knowing that I will lose a expensive HAV (note: I'm not one of those scrubs that uses a 80k Soma and says "I'm good." No, I'm the gu who uses a fully fitted one, that'll cost me 200k+), find that turret, and kill it. It'll come out of my pocket as well. As long as my team wins, I'm fine with that. I gotz ISK to burn, and those turrets need to go. "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising 546	Posted - 2014.01.01 02:41:00 - [33] - Quote Actually I will still blow up those turrets, this would just add another game to my grind to get back in my dropship. I know you have been told this before, but the reason pilots destroy turrets is so a red doesn't kill your 707k vehicle with no sp or isk investment. However if you are truly set on this I'd be willing to compromise, you can remove turret wp, but in return I want those red line turrets removed.
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 1894	Posted - 2014.01.01 02:52:00 - [34] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: I don't think tankers target turrets as preemptive strike, because I've never seen a tanker rush to the other side and destroy any red turrets in the beginning of a match. Why are they worried about turrets that could "potentially"go red rather than turrets that are guaranteed red? Neutral turrets are too easy of WPs, they are destroyed for this reason primarily. The benefit that they take away a potential enemy turret is just a nice extra. In Skirmish, I often head to the enemy home point and pop all their defenses, actually. I pop neutral blasters in our area for WP, everything else for preempt. WP is nice, though. I agree the WP makes no sense. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
Aleph Rynedee Science For Death 20	Posted - 2014.01.01 17:36:00 - [35] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Afraid not. Vehicle users kill turrets so they cannot be taken by reds and used against us. Points or no points we will always kill them. This line of thinking has always bothered me, especially now that infantry fits cost more than HAVs. Why is your 80k ISK HAV more important than my three-man squad (250-300k combined ISK)? Turrets provide ground support, be it active or passive (as in a target for opposing HAVs), to the infantry. HAVs spend more time hunting installations than engaging the enemy, so as a ground troop I'd much rather have access to a turret near an objective than rely on some jackass who is trying to kill a turret in the opponent's redline. HAV pilots need to get over themselves and just accept they are in a support role, not the rock-star fighter pilot they assume they are.
Eurydice Itzhak State Patriots Templis CALSF 271	Posted - 2014.01.01 17:44:00 - [36] - Quote Almost every reply already said it but they are a hazard. I kill them no matter the color. Ill kill blue ones in fw too. They are dangerous to my wallet. Also if you're worried about the wp... It only matters in pubs. In fw you need eve support. I don't really see the issue with the wp in pubs.
Justice Darling Expert Intervention Caldari State 11	Posted - 2014.01.02 14:51:00 - [37] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: Justice Darling wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: Galvan Nized wrote: I don't think tankers target turrets as preemptive strike, because I've never seen a tanker rush to the other side and destroy any red turrets in the beginning of a match. Why are they worried about turrets that could "potentially"go red rather than turrets that are guaranteed red? Neutral turrets are too easy of WPs, they are destroyed for this reason primarily. The benefit that they take away a potential enemy turret is just a nice extra. number 1 objective with tank wipe out all ..AND I MEAN ALL TURRETS first thing ..so maybe scrubby tankers dont but s far as i am aware of all true tankers make turrets a priority only under enemy tanks upon entering the battlefield Then start at the enemy side of the map plan and simple, or at less half way up the map don't kill friendly stuff that is usefully that is just bad manners :P why so after im done wiping out the enemy objectives turrets and fighting they're tanks and im coming back to ground base because all my cooldowns are ticking..i can be shot from where i just came by enemy turrets because blue dots cant bunker down and hold anything and then lose my tank? no in pc no one hacks turets..they let the tanks blow them up because they can only later become a major hindrance in battle stop Q_qing and stfu it is common practice to eliminate all turrets from the front to back lest the rear becomes lost and result in the hindrance of the ally tanks Common practice don't mean that its the right thing to do, I've had tanks take on turrets like they was nothing full on came right up to it and tanked to heaven and cant get it down to half armor. Good thing some butt head in a tank killed the other turret that was next to me so there was two of us vrs one, and yes some times they get taken over but who cares just another way to give more points out by taking it back in the end and maybe get some kills, but this can't happen if you take them out right away In fact if we was paid for our service that we put in and you lost a tank or two you wouldn't care in the first place with the pay system that is setup, lets face it, it sucks the way its done, pays off wp's not what you used in game to win a match, if this was fixed who knows then, maybe you wouldn't care.
Justice Darling Expert Intervention Caldari State 11	Posted - 2014.01.02 14:59:00 - [38] - Quote Aleph Rynedee wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Afraid not. Vehicle users kill turrets so they cannot be taken by reds and used against us. Points or no points we will always kill them. This line of thinking has always bothered me, especially now that infantry fits cost more than HAVs. Why is your 80k ISK HAV more important than my three-man squad (250-300k combined ISK)? Turrets provide ground support, be it active or passive (as in a target for opposing HAVs), to the infantry. HAVs spend more time hunting installations than engaging the enemy, so as a ground troop I'd much rather have access to a turret near an objective than rely on some jackass who is trying to kill a turret in the opponent's redline. HAV pilots need to get over themselves and just accept they are in a support role, not the rock-star fighter pilot they assume they are. There is no way I could have said this better, I think you hit the nail on the head with this one. Look at us, look at us, we have 30 kills, yeah only cuss you tankers banded to gather on both sides and made ground forces your personal meat grinder. Where the hell is our clocking land mines!!!!!
Mahal Daj Mahal Tactical Enterprises 9	Posted - 2014.01.08 16:46:00 - [39] - Quote Please remove WP for neutral turret kills. If tankers want to kill them as a strategy, that's fine... but I see a lot of people call in a tank, shoot the yellows, recall the tank and proceed. Or you can add WP for repairs (the kind you are supposed to get anyway and don't because of 'farming') and turret repairs :) Boost your squad's points by 40%, learn to use the Squad Wheel! I provide training: 1M isk: 90 Minutes of Basic Command
Jason Pearson 3814	Posted - 2014.01.08 17:14:00 - [40] - Quote Go for it, I doubt many of us care. We destroy turrets because they're a massive pain in the ass because useless bluedots go off and hack the turrets and then ***** leave them. You're not helpful and you're not smart, because you've just hacked that turret and ran off leaving it UNDEFENDED, so thanks for that. Now the enemy has taken it from us while I'm up ahead saving your ass from two blaster tanks and suddenly I've been annihilated by a ***** rail installation. The lack of WP won't make us stop and if you want to buff turret installations, you better buff vehicle HP, it takes 3 shots to kill a Turret from a proto rail, it takes 3 shots from the installation to kill my tank without hardeners. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire. You're a total git, Jason. - Kingbabar

Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2099	Posted - 2014.01.08 17:38:00 - [41] - Quote So to sum up, removing WP for neutral turrets would not change Tank behavior, but would negatively effect Forge Gunners. The Swarm Launcher being under powered is causing Medium Frame Infantry to call for a HP buff to Turrets. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else, there is the Learning Coalition.
el OPERATOR Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 22	Posted - 2014.01.08 19:52:00 - [42] - Quote Better idea- Make the destruction of neutral field assets negative WP, equal to double w/e the WP are for destroying them. And make destruction of friendly field assets in FW count toward the kick total. And allow OMS assets to be deployable by squad leaders for less WP but right in line with OBs. I'm sorry friendly tankers, but you're proven largely unreliable in the destruction of enemy tankers, yet very reliable at reducing infantry's ability combat enemy AV. This is bass-ackwards. Open-Beta Vet. NPC Corp Independent Contractor. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original.
Ayzazel Crimson Saints 34	Posted - 2014.01.08 20:26:00 - [43] - Quote I agree with taking away WP for unclaimed turrets, I also understand the reasoning of destroying turrets for tanks defense. Here is the deal though, STOP BLOWING UP INSTALLATION INSIDE OUR REDLINE DICKS. Ahem, we can use those to help when you get your own shiny tank proto stomped, then rage quit the battle or switch to a starter fit and we are left completely defenseless, (also, thanks for that idiots AND quitters). Ever heard of DROPSHIPS? Large railgun installations in our own redline are great helps with these. Also, you don't REALLY need to blow up the blaster installations, you can easily destroy them before they you. Build a man a fire and he will be warm for a day, set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life


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