DUST Search - Sniper Nerf???

Mobius Wyvern wrote:

calvin b wrote:

Mobius Wyvern wrote:

calvin b wrote:

I have been in several matches and noticed the sniper rifle does not have the range it once did. I was running my Thale which has the longest range of any sniper rifle and I was at 490M and the dot failed to turn red and it failed to detect the enemy stats. Tried as I might it would not register, so I pulled the trigger expecting a head shot or at least a hit, nothing. So I moved in closer now I am at 400M and it finally turns red. I have tried this on other maps and the rifle fails to pick up anyone past 410M. Before 1.7 I was able to get the fabled 600M head shot, now nothing. I know your going to say stop using a Thale and to that I say give me a sniper weapon that can kill someone that is tanked in 4shots or less and I would use it. Ever try to kill a tanked heavy with a Kaal sniper rifle, its not going to happen. Was there a stealth nerf to the sniper class or is it just another wonka wonka moments of dust?

You complain about snipers being nerfed, and have TANK514 in your name.

Nothing to see here, gentlemen.

TANK514 is a problem is why and snipers are not. If you think snipers are a problem then your not playing the game right.

Snipers make me laugh because half of them can't even hit me. Also, if I see one in a match, I take out a profile dampened Scout and spend the rest of it just following them around and killing them so they can't get any points.

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calvin b SCAVENGER'S DAUGHTER 1331	Posted - 2013.12.28 02:25:00 - [1] - Quote I have been in several matches and noticed the sniper rifle does not have the range it once did. I was running my Thale which has the longest range of any sniper rifle and I was at 490M and the dot failed to turn red and it failed to detect the enemy stats. Tried as I might it would not register, so I pulled the trigger expecting a head shot or at least a hit, nothing. So I moved in closer now I am at 400M and it finally turns red. I have tried this on other maps and the rifle fails to pick up anyone past 410M. Before 1.7 I was able to get the fabled 600M head shot, now nothing. I know your going to say stop using a Thale and to that I say give me a sniper weapon that can kill someone that is tanked in 4shots or less and I would use it. Ever try to kill a tanked heavy with a Kaal sniper rifle, its not going to happen. Was there a stealth nerf to the sniper class or is it just another wonka wonka moments of dust? TANK514 another sign of cancer in the game
taxi bastard Minor Trueblood 84	Posted - 2013.12.28 02:41:00 - [2] - Quote firstly snipers are generally cowards - maybe the other snipers were QQing that when hiding deep in the redline they got killed by a rouge sniper who broke the sacred oath of killing another sniper. as a result a meeting was organised by the snipers union to nerf the snipers range so that all snipers could snipe in safety from deep in their red line. on a side note they should have a price buff for the cowards weapon. why cowards should be rewarded with cheaper guns when they are at a lot less risk is beyond me.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2658	Posted - 2013.12.28 02:43:00 - [3] - Quote taxi bastard wrote: firstly snipers are generally cowards - maybe the other snipers were QQing that when hiding deep in the redline they got killed by a rouge sniper who broke the sacred oath of killing another sniper. as a result a meeting was organised by the snipers union to nerf the snipers range so that all snipers could snipe in safety from deep in their red line. on a side note they should have a price buff for the cowards weapon. why cowards should be rewarded with cheaper guns when they are at a lot less risk is beyond me. Point on this doll to where Thale touched you. We finally deployed in the MinFW Match! \o/
calvin b SCAVENGER'S DAUGHTER 1333	Posted - 2013.12.28 07:29:00 - [4] - Quote taxi bastard wrote: firstly snipers are generally cowards - maybe the other snipers were QQing that when hiding deep in the redline they got killed by a rouge sniper who broke the sacred oath of killing another sniper. as a result a meeting was organised by the snipers union to nerf the snipers range so that all snipers could snipe in safety from deep in their red line. on a side note they should have a price buff for the cowards weapon. why cowards should be rewarded with cheaper guns when they are at a lot less risk is beyond me. I have to say by your post you have been the victim of a lot of sniper shots. It also says you are scared and angry that someone can kill you and there is nothing you can do about it. Not all snipers sit in the red line. I myself only use it when it is to my advantage and there is little to no tactical spots elsewhere, also known as my team is red lined and we have to fight back somehow. TANK514 another sign of cancer in the game
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4285	Posted - 2013.12.28 07:35:00 - [5] - Quote calvin b wrote: I have been in several matches and noticed the sniper rifle does not have the range it once did. I was running my Thale which has the longest range of any sniper rifle and I was at 490M and the dot failed to turn red and it failed to detect the enemy stats. Tried as I might it would not register, so I pulled the trigger expecting a head shot or at least a hit, nothing. So I moved in closer now I am at 400M and it finally turns red. I have tried this on other maps and the rifle fails to pick up anyone past 410M. Before 1.7 I was able to get the fabled 600M head shot, now nothing. I know your going to say stop using a Thale and to that I say give me a sniper weapon that can kill someone that is tanked in 4shots or less and I would use it. Ever try to kill a tanked heavy with a Kaal sniper rifle, its not going to happen. Was there a stealth nerf to the sniper class or is it just another wonka wonka moments of dust? You complain about snipers being nerfed, and have TANK514 in your name. Nothing to see here, gentlemen. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
calvin b SCAVENGER'S DAUGHTER 1333	Posted - 2013.12.28 07:38:00 - [6] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: calvin b wrote: I have been in several matches and noticed the sniper rifle does not have the range it once did. I was running my Thale which has the longest range of any sniper rifle and I was at 490M and the dot failed to turn red and it failed to detect the enemy stats. Tried as I might it would not register, so I pulled the trigger expecting a head shot or at least a hit, nothing. So I moved in closer now I am at 400M and it finally turns red. I have tried this on other maps and the rifle fails to pick up anyone past 410M. Before 1.7 I was able to get the fabled 600M head shot, now nothing. I know your going to say stop using a Thale and to that I say give me a sniper weapon that can kill someone that is tanked in 4shots or less and I would use it. Ever try to kill a tanked heavy with a Kaal sniper rifle, its not going to happen. Was there a stealth nerf to the sniper class or is it just another wonka wonka moments of dust? You complain about snipers being nerfed, and have TANK514 in your name. Nothing to see here, gentlemen. TANK514 is a problem is why and snipers are not. If you think snipers are a problem then your not playing the game right. TANK514 another sign of cancer in the game
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4285	Posted - 2013.12.28 07:58:00 - [7] - Quote calvin b wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: calvin b wrote: I have been in several matches and noticed the sniper rifle does not have the range it once did. I was running my Thale which has the longest range of any sniper rifle and I was at 490M and the dot failed to turn red and it failed to detect the enemy stats. Tried as I might it would not register, so I pulled the trigger expecting a head shot or at least a hit, nothing. So I moved in closer now I am at 400M and it finally turns red. I have tried this on other maps and the rifle fails to pick up anyone past 410M. Before 1.7 I was able to get the fabled 600M head shot, now nothing. I know your going to say stop using a Thale and to that I say give me a sniper weapon that can kill someone that is tanked in 4shots or less and I would use it. Ever try to kill a tanked heavy with a Kaal sniper rifle, its not going to happen. Was there a stealth nerf to the sniper class or is it just another wonka wonka moments of dust? You complain about snipers being nerfed, and have TANK514 in your name. Nothing to see here, gentlemen. TANK514 is a problem is why and snipers are not. If you think snipers are a problem then your not playing the game right. Snipers make me laugh because half of them can't even hit me. Also, if I see one in a match, I take out a profile dampened Scout and spend the rest of it just following them around and killing them so they can't get any points. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Munin-Frey Fish Spotters Inc. 38	Posted - 2013.12.28 08:18:00 - [8] - Quote No need to hate on the snipers.... The game is more fun if there are a few of them because they teach us all to keep our heads down... A very releastic aspect of war. Also, they are about as effective as tanks when it comes to winning matches (not very) And it it really easy to hunt them in most cases. Sometimes if I'm in a foul mood I'll purposely hunt somebody using an expensive/rare sniper rifle because I know I will be able to find that exact person eventually. Can't do that with any other weapon system.
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 338	Posted - 2013.12.28 09:25:00 - [9] - Quote taxi bastard wrote: firstly snipers are generally cowards - maybe the other snipers were QQing that when hiding deep in the redline they got killed by a rouge sniper who broke the sacred oath of killing another sniper. as a result a meeting was organised by the snipers union to nerf the snipers range so that all snipers could snipe in safety from deep in their red line. on a side note they should have a price buff for the cowards weapon. why cowards should be rewarded with cheaper guns when they are at a lot less risk is beyond me. Couldn't have said that better myself In the Feedback section I've posted my idea for fixing "sniper" rifles. I'll repost here They need to add a feature where anytime a "sniper" uses the zoom' feature with his rifle, it will result in -50 WP. Upon firing the "sniper" rifle, the rifle will self destruct, killing the "sniper" instantly. Attempting to fire a "sniper" rifle a second time in one game will result in being banned until next downtime. Feedback? Who cares what some sniper has to say
taxi bastard Minor Trueblood 93	Posted - 2013.12.28 10:12:00 - [10] - Quote silly cowards most of the time your completely irrelevant hiding far away from the action too afraid of the bullets, infact many of you would be just as useful in the MCC. but sometimes there is one of you with skill who does kill me. you talk of expensive guns - that is the point you cowards have cheap guns and they should cost more.

Mregomies The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 137	Posted - 2013.12.28 10:17:00 - [11] - Quote Thale's range is still 600m. I have no problems with it. Your enemy was behind invisible mountainpeak or rock. Suomi, Finland, PERKELE!
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 323	Posted - 2013.12.28 10:29:00 - [12] - Quote I think sniping at an long-range is pointless in this game, If you consider the layout of the maps and weaponry it doesn't add up to camp outside of map Most weapons are not effective after 100m, so when I am sniping I try to go for 200/300 as my optimal range and it works perfectly, I am close enough so that my hit detection is good Snipers complaining about not being able to hit at 600m can at least know that, while you are pissed off the rest of the game is delighted for you In Dust, I think a sniper needs to be about 100/200m behind his team, providing support not just sitting on top a hill, hitting guys that can't see him.. and not assisting his team Snipers are the best AI if used in co-ordination with frontline Minmatar Demolitions Specialist Plasma Cannon Pro
taxi bastard Minor Trueblood 93	Posted - 2013.12.28 10:36:00 - [13] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: I think sniping at an long-range is pointless in this game, If you consider the layout of the maps and weaponry it doesn't add up to camp outside of map Most weapons are not effective after 100m, so when I am sniping I try to go for 200/300 as my optimal range and it works perfectly, I am close enough so that my hit detection is good Snipers complaining about not being able to hit at 600m can at least know that, while you are pissed off the rest of the game is delighted for you In Dust, I think a sniper needs to be about 100/200m behind his team, providing support not just sitting on top a hill, hitting guys that can't see him.. and not assisting his team Snipers are the best AI if used in co-ordination with frontline wow +1 a sniper who knows why he jumped out the MCC. but you should still pay more for your guns
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 1216	Posted - 2013.12.28 10:43:00 - [14] - Quote I wonder why they took away the hitmark from sniper rifles... "Our Blueberries are better than yours" *My Terribad Bolas Launcher*
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 133	Posted - 2013.12.28 10:56:00 - [15] - Quote taxi bastard[i wrote: ]firstly snipers are generally cowards [/i]- maybe the other snipers were QQing that when hiding deep in the redline they got killed by a rouge sniper who broke the sacred oath of killing another sniper. as a result a meeting was organised by the snipers union to nerf the snipers range so that all snipers could snipe in safety from deep in their red line. on a side note they should have a price buff for the cowards weapon. why cowards should be rewarded with cheaper guns when they are at a lot less risk is beyond me. 'Gets Sniped in the Head, TWICE' I don't hide in the redline like a ****. You're talking about BITCHES who hide in the redline and can't hit the broad side of a heavy standing still 50 meters in front of them. God forbid they get counter sniped, or get a shotgun blast to the back of the head 'Scouts are OP' 'Nerf the range so I can continue to hide with HALF THE TEAM in redline.' 'Don't talk to strangers, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT* Dropship Pilot Scout Devotee Remaining invisible is my thing
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 134	Posted - 2013.12.28 11:01:00 - [16] - Quote taxi bastard wrote: silly cowards most of the time your completely irrelevant hiding far away from the action too afraid of the bullets, infact many of you would be just as useful in the MCC. but sometimes there is one of you with skill who does kill me. you talk of expensive guns - that is the point you cowards have cheap guns and they should cost more. Price buff for cowards everybody. 'Don't talk to strangers, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT Dropship Pilot Scout Devotee Remaining invisible is my thing
fragmentedhackslash FREE AGENTS LP 59	Posted - 2013.12.28 11:03:00 - [17] - Quote A. taxi bastard your an idiot, deaset idiot. B. Calvin B is one of the most feared clones on the field and one of those clones that will have me distracted for the entire 15 mins. That is valid and critical affect a great Sniper can have on an entire team. He also knows what he is talking about. C. There is an issue with both hit detection and frame rendering D. There is an issue with tactical information / target acquisition E. There is a difference between a PRO Sniper and someone that can fit a proto SR, that usually is indicated by 30+ kills match in, match out, calvin b is one of these snipers F. Having a Sniper as part of my 6 is essential to squad mechanics G. Got a problem with any of the above? Dont't care, it means you are a scrub. Pain is just weakness leaving your body. Every day is a holiday. Every meal is a feast.
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 134	Posted - 2013.12.28 11:05:00 - [18] - Quote EPIC XD 'Don't talk to strangers, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT Dropship Pilot Scout Devotee Remaining invisible is my thing
fragmentedhackslash FREE AGENTS LP 59	Posted - 2013.12.28 11:07:00 - [19] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: taxi bastard wrote: firstly snipers are generally cowards - maybe the other snipers were QQing that when hiding deep in the redline they got killed by a rouge sniper who broke the sacred oath of killing another sniper. as a result a meeting was organised by the snipers union to nerf the snipers range so that all snipers could snipe in safety from deep in their red line. on a side note they should have a price buff for the cowards weapon. why cowards should be rewarded with cheaper guns when they are at a lot less risk is beyond me. Couldn't have said that better myself In the Feedback section I've posted my idea for fixing "sniper" rifles. I'll repost here They need to add a feature where anytime a "sniper" uses the zoom' feature with his rifle, it will result in -50 WP. Upon firing the "sniper" rifle, the rifle will self destruct, killing the "sniper" instantly. Attempting to fire a "sniper" rifle a second time in one game will result in being banned until next downtime. Feedback? You Sir, have no right to be in AE, stupidity and ******** opinions such as these reflect badly. Very badly. Pain is just weakness leaving your body. Every day is a holiday. Every meal is a feast.
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 134	Posted - 2013.12.28 11:08:00 - [20] - Quote If I can pop you in the head THREE TIMES in very quick succession, maybe a forth for a good measure, CALL ME A COWARD ALL DAY. BOOM, HEADSHOT. 'Don't talk to strangers, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT Dropship Pilot Scout Devotee Remaining invisible is my thing

PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 137	Posted - 2013.12.28 11:12:00 - [21] - Quote You sir, have inspired me to shoot you in the head, AGAIN. 'Don't talk to strangers, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT Think twice before you aim at me, you might already be dead.
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 137	Posted - 2013.12.28 11:18:00 - [22] - Quote Frag lets snipe together TARGETS: KING THUNDERBOLT AND TAXI BASTARD HEADSHOT 'Don't talk to strangers, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT Think twice before you aim at me, you might already be dead.
fragmentedhackslash FREE AGENTS LP 61	Posted - 2013.12.28 12:08:00 - [23] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: Frag lets snipe together TARGETS: KING THUNDERBOLT AND TAXI BASTARD HEADSHOT Private channel invitation sent. Pain is just weakness leaving your body. Every day is a holiday. Every meal is a feast.
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 138	Posted - 2013.12.28 12:15:00 - [24] - Quote Thanks and sorry, Can you send it to Silent Chaozz? This character it just for lols and omgs paying no attention to the L-A-Vs that are about to H-I-T me.XD Made myself laugh. 'Don't talk to strangers, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT Think twice before you aim at me, you might already be dead.
Cpl Foster USMC The Defiants-Team 6 395	Posted - 2013.12.28 13:42:00 - [25] - Quote as a Sniper, I would just like to know if anyone has the balls to answer the damn question...? jeez...we know you all hate us...blah, blah, blah....meanwhile, there is an honest, game related question at hand...d/cks... 250,000,000 isk....what's in your wallet...??
Darius Ashran Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 32	Posted - 2013.12.28 13:58:00 - [26] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: calvin b wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: calvin b wrote: I have been in several matches and noticed the sniper rifle does not have the range it once did. I was running my Thale which has the longest range of any sniper rifle and I was at 490M and the dot failed to turn red and it failed to detect the enemy stats. Tried as I might it would not register, so I pulled the trigger expecting a head shot or at least a hit, nothing. So I moved in closer now I am at 400M and it finally turns red. I have tried this on other maps and the rifle fails to pick up anyone past 410M. Before 1.7 I was able to get the fabled 600M head shot, now nothing. I know your going to say stop using a Thale and to that I say give me a sniper weapon that can kill someone that is tanked in 4shots or less and I would use it. Ever try to kill a tanked heavy with a Kaal sniper rifle, its not going to happen. Was there a stealth nerf to the sniper class or is it just another wonka wonka moments of dust? You complain about snipers being nerfed, and have TANK514 in your name. Nothing to see here, gentlemen. TANK514 is a problem is why and snipers are not. If you think snipers are a problem then your not playing the game right. Snipers make me laugh because half of them can't even hit me. Also, if I see one in a match, I take out a profile dampened Scout and spend the rest of it just following them around and killing them so they can't get any points. No kidding. You think people hate on snipers because they are killed by them? Most of you useless bastards cant hit the broad side of a barn. I am sick of seeing up to a 3rd of the team sitting in the back with sniper rifles. News flash if your in that situation. Take it upon yourself to go change kits and actually be useful. Most of you dumb **** snipers cant do anything beneficial for the team. I have seen maybe 5 snipers in nearly 2 years who are worth a god damn to their team. You people are clueless and completely self deluded if you think your an " asset" to you teammates sitting back coming away with a 10-20 man kill streak by the end of the match. Did you kill clones? Sure yeah great GJ! But a scrub with and AR would have outdone you and actually offered close in support on objectives. Some snipers. And i stress very few. Actually understand the need to move and be active on the field. And to you fine gentlemen I congratulate you for understanding how to play your role. The rest of you can eat a big bag of dicks. And maybe if we are really lucky you will choke on them and trouble us no more.
fragmentedhackslash FREE AGENTS LP 64	Posted - 2013.12.28 15:15:00 - [27] - Quote There is something going on with hit detection, and frame rendering, since 1.7. There is aslo something going on with the tactical overlay information, since 1.7 I can not thunk of what silent change was made, butt I have found that the 'frames may take some time to render even when they are within field and range of vision' comment in 1.7 Patch notes has had a dramatic negative affect. Again, I can't say exactly what, bar the fact that frames plus 200 meters are 'non existant'. NOTE: On this above information, the field and target acquisitiin is dramatically different the more altitude you gain on map... IE: redline mountains is a fix for this. Blue MCC is a fix for this, Towers is a ohh wait we can't get ontop of our towers anymore WTF! I read at some stage that there was an algorithm used to direct altitude and aviable cover, guess they used it to generate the maps and not kept the same principle, but simply removed our ability to gain height with dropship blowingup and no cover, guess that was not enough... for fks sake. Ohh.. PRECISION ENHANCEMENT AND RANGE EXTENSION SHOULD AFFECT SR! Just add it to the list, and growing list, of work to be completed, soon tm. Pain is just weakness leaving your body. Every day is a holiday. Every meal is a feast.
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 143	Posted - 2013.12.28 15:22:00 - [28] - Quote Hey frag 'Don't talk to strangers, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT Think twice before you aim at me, you might already be dead.
Toby Flenderson research lab 171	Posted - 2013.12.28 15:33:00 - [29] - Quote calvin b wrote: taxi bastard wrote: firstly snipers are generally cowards - maybe the other snipers were QQing that when hiding deep in the redline they got killed by a rouge sniper who broke the sacred oath of killing another sniper. as a result a meeting was organised by the snipers union to nerf the snipers range so that all snipers could snipe in safety from deep in their red line. on a side note they should have a price buff for the cowards weapon. why cowards should be rewarded with cheaper guns when they are at a lot less risk is beyond me. I have to say by your post you have been the victim of a lot of sniper shots. It also says you are scared and angry that someone can kill you and there is nothing you can do about it. Not all snipers sit in the red line. I myself only use it when it is to my advantage and there is little to no tactical spots elsewhere, also known as my team is red lined and we have to fight back somehow. Not all snipers are in the redline, correct. Some fly dropships up to spires and building inaccessible to anyone who does not feel like wasting 2 minutes and possibly a dropship just to take out one player. I snipe from the redline sometimes when I'm bored but I acknowledge that it's a horribly ****** thing to do. There is no excuse for it. It's hiding behind an infantry shield while picking them off as they either ignore you or approach you. I typically run scout or assault but if there are too many snipers on the other team then I run to a good counter sniping spot and snipe them until they stop trying to redline snipe. Sometime this take the whole game. The good thing is that these snipers seem to typically expect the match to hand them easy sniper kills are 300-400m away without worrying about resistance from an enemy sniper. I've had games where I've kept 3 or more redline snipers at bay or at least distracted for the whole match because they would not try anything else. Basically what I'm saying is that you don't have to be in the redline to be a good sniper. I'd be ok with taking out snipers completely. I know this would never happen but I only know of a handful of snipers who play tactically and make call outs every chance they get. These snipers move around when their position cannot benefit the team and only get a handful of kills but are invaluable to the team. Unfortunately these players are extremely rare so the "sniper" in this game is typically just a blueberry in the redline trying to get free kills. TL;DR: Redlines ruined sniping in this game.
Ghermard-ol Dizeriois Maphia Clan Corporation 29	Posted - 2013.12.28 15:36:00 - [30] - Quote Considering how the thread is going, I wonder why none accused snipers yet to be far worse than tanks + bugs + lag ? Are you going to start another holy crusade by chance? If you're an hacker, a cheater o a glitcher, you deserve death. In real life.



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