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Nguruthos IX
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Posted - 2013.12.26 00:33:00 -
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Improved over the previous entire year's level of uselessness, but still useless nonetheless.
Wonder why CCP only ever wants there to be at most [one] small turret that's good for anything? What a waste |
Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2013.12.26 00:34:00 -
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i saw a saga earlier pull up to a sniper driver swapped to his rail turret and headshotted the sniper..best thing i have ever seen in dust.
why use suits when ccp gave us nice shiny op as hell tanks that cost next to nothing
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Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2013.12.26 00:34:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Improved over the previous entire year's level of uselessness, but still useless nonetheless.
this is the best way of describing it
why use suits when ccp gave us nice shiny op as hell tanks that cost next to nothing
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.12.26 00:35:00 -
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I've found them to be quite useful in the right hands, and they are pretty good as far as AV is concerned.
And my friend The True Inferno rinses the other team when he puts one on his Incubus.
A turret that's good at everything? Missiles.
We finally deployed in the MinFW Match!
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Monkey MAC
Lost Millennium
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Posted - 2013.12.26 00:36:00 -
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I gave my gunner a rail turret, he blew up a suicide LAV for me!
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I told you, I bloody well told you.
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X-eon
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
73
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Posted - 2013.12.26 00:37:00 -
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For dropships, yes it's useless. In the hands of a capable LAV gunner you can 2-3 shot any infantry from 100m out with Ease. Rails on a tank are actually very handy when facing of against another tank as well.
What do you do when you See "WARNING, Damage Mod Active" on an LAV? You wake up in another suit.
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Eurydice Itzhak
State Patriots
Templis CALSF
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Posted - 2013.12.26 00:38:00 -
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Atiim wrote:I've found them to be quite useful in the right hands, and they are pretty good as far as AV is concerned.
And my friend The True Inferno rinses the other team when he puts one on his Incubus.
A turret that's good at everything? Missiles.
It's less damage than missiles against vehicles and worse than missiles and blasters for infantry. It's useless.
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Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2013.12.26 00:38:00 -
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Atiim wrote:I've found them to be quite useful in the right hands, and they are pretty good as far as AV is concerned.
And my friend The True Inferno rinses the other team when he puts one on his Incubus.
A turret that's good at everything? Missiles.
if you look at the damage per clip comparison for missiles there is no point on mini rails..if you look at the damage per clip of blasters..roflmao
why use suits when ccp gave us nice shiny op as hell tanks that cost next to nothing
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Nguruthos IX
PEN 15 CLUB
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Posted - 2013.12.26 00:38:00 -
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Atiim wrote:I've found them to be quite useful in the right hands, and they are pretty good as far as AV is concerned.
And my friend The True Inferno rinses the other team when he puts one on his Incubus.
A turret that's good at everything? Missiles.
step 1: get in dropship
Step 2: man a proto small rail turret
step 3: empty clip after clip non-stop into militia shield tank
step 4: Realize that you will never kill this thing. Ever.
Step 5: retire the small rail turret from use - ever. |
Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
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Posted - 2013.12.26 00:38:00 -
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Right, I loving having to forgo my Incubus skill bonus because missiles are the only useful small turret from the air. Even better I have to get ammo more often, and the few supply depots are generally very hard to access from the air. Yes I can put it down right between the depot and building but getting into position leaves me wide open for an extended period of time. |
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Nguruthos IX
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Posted - 2013.12.26 00:40:00 -
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Eurydice Itzhak wrote:Atiim wrote:I've found them to be quite useful in the right hands, and they are pretty good as far as AV is concerned.
And my friend The True Inferno rinses the other team when he puts one on his Incubus.
A turret that's good at everything? Missiles. It's less damage than missiles against vehicles and worse than missiles and blasters for infantry. It's useless.
Yup :)
And it's supposed to be AV. Or at the very least anti-shield-AV.
It fails harder than the Cameron's anti-****(adult content website) filter in both respects. |
Nguruthos IX
PEN 15 CLUB
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Posted - 2013.12.26 00:43:00 -
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Henchmen21 wrote:Right, I loving having to forgo my Incubus skill bonus because missiles are the only useful small turret from the air. Even better I have to get ammo more often, and the few supply depots are generally very hard to access from the air. Yes I can put it down right between the depot and building but getting into position leaves me wide open for an extended period of time.
It was absolutely face-palm for CCP to attach small turret type bonuses to the assault dropships.
Really? Again, confirming they have never flown these things.
And again confirming they want absolutely no fitting variety in Dust.
Have only 1/3 small turrets who's current design is usable on a flying, moving platform?
Lets give a ROF bonus to that turret to ONE of a pair of racial ships. Brilliant!
No but really, who comes up with this stuff? |
Texs Red
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.12.26 00:50:00 -
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I stand to disagree. In a skilled incubus with a damage mod I can almost kill a shield tank in half a clip and even with a hardener running I still do notable damage. In order for the railgun to really shine it really needs the ROF buff from the gallente assault dropship skill.
If I wasn't limited to half my clip (overheat) I could easily kill shield tanks or installations and deal notable damage to armor tanks. |
KhanidVictor
Paladin Survey Force
Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2013.12.26 00:50:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Improved over the previous entire year's level of uselessness, but still useless nonetheless.
Wonder why CCP only ever wants there to be at most [one] small turret that's good for anything? What a waste
Hey I actually managed to kill a single merc. with one the other day! Granted both him and I were totally motion-less but I was shocked none the less. |
Nguruthos IX
PEN 15 CLUB
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Posted - 2013.12.26 00:54:00 -
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KhanidVictor wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:Improved over the previous entire year's level of uselessness, but still useless nonetheless.
Wonder why CCP only ever wants there to be at most [one] small turret that's good for anything? What a waste Hey I actually managed to kill a single merc. with one the other day! Granted both him and I were totally motion-less but I was shocked none the less.
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Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
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Posted - 2013.12.26 01:21:00 -
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Texs Red wrote:I stand to disagree. In a skilled incubus with a damage mod I can almost kill a shield tank in half a clip and even with a hardener running I still do notable damage. In order for the railgun to really shine it really needs the ROF buff from the gallente assault dropship skill.
If I wasn't limited to half my clip (overheat) I could easily kill shield tanks or installations and deal notable damage to armor tanks.
Now if infantry couldn't shoot me down, I might run rails for anti-tank. Seeing as forgeguns are a huge threat I have to be able to shoot back and for that missiles work best.
Henchmen21: Infantry
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Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2013.12.26 01:27:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Henchmen21 wrote:Right, I loving having to forgo my Incubus skill bonus because missiles are the only useful small turret from the air. Even better I have to get ammo more often, and the few supply depots are generally very hard to access from the air. Yes I can put it down right between the depot and building but getting into position leaves me wide open for an extended period of time. It was absolutely face-palm for CCP to attach small turret type bonuses to the assault dropships. Really? Again, confirming they have never flown these things. And again confirming they want absolutely no fitting variety in Dust.
Have only 1/3 small turrets who's current design is usable on a flying, moving platform? Lets give a ROF bonus to that turret to ONE of a pair of racial ships. Brilliant! No but really, who comes up with this stuff?
yeah i have noticed incubuses attacking my tank with rails..with my soma my regen heals the dmg shot for shot..so really its negligible unless they catch me in an instant where im already almost dead..they will never kill me...and if they dont and miss that instant poof full health
why use suits when ccp gave us nice shiny op as hell tanks that cost next to nothing
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Nguruthos IX
PEN 15 CLUB
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Posted - 2013.12.26 01:33:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:Henchmen21 wrote:Right, I loving having to forgo my Incubus skill bonus because missiles are the only useful small turret from the air. Even better I have to get ammo more often, and the few supply depots are generally very hard to access from the air. Yes I can put it down right between the depot and building but getting into position leaves me wide open for an extended period of time. It was absolutely face-palm for CCP to attach small turret type bonuses to the assault dropships. Really? Again, confirming they have never flown these things. And again confirming they want absolutely no fitting variety in Dust.
Have only 1/3 small turrets who's current design is usable on a flying, moving platform? Lets give a ROF bonus to that turret to ONE of a pair of racial ships. Brilliant! No but really, who comes up with this stuff? yeah i have noticed incubuses attacking my tank with rails..with my soma my regen heals the dmg shot for shot..so really its negligible unless they catch me in an instant where im already almost dead..they will never kill me...and if they dont and miss that instant poof full health
That's pretty much how it goes.
Best case, you nail every shot (nearly impossible from DS) and that's not enough.
So anything less is equally not enough.
And yeah, if you catch tank with 10 HP left and no hardeners you're gonna kill it but at that point a mass driver could have done it. It's no accomplishment of the small rail and speaks nothing to the efficacy of small rails. For that situation |
Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
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Posted - 2013.12.26 01:41:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Improved over the previous entire year's level of uselessness, but still useless nonetheless.
Wonder why CCP only ever wants there to be at most [one] small turret that's good for anything? What a waste
they are amazing on tanks
There was a time we fought good tankers. Now we just fight good tanks.
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Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2013.12.26 01:57:00 -
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Darken-Sol wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:Improved over the previous entire year's level of uselessness, but still useless nonetheless.
Wonder why CCP only ever wants there to be at most [one] small turret that's good for anything? What a waste they are amazing on tanks
in dust? r u sure..ive seen incubuses flying over my tank all the time..when they are packing rails its like the are flinging rice at me
actually flinging rice would probably be more effective
why use suits when ccp gave us nice shiny op as hell tanks that cost next to nothing
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ratamaq doc
Edge Regiment
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Posted - 2013.12.26 01:59:00 -
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It's like a 5 shot per second tactical sniper rifle with 10 rounds. Pretty effective vs infantry.
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gbghg
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Posted - 2013.12.26 02:39:00 -
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idk, they seem to be pretty good against low flying derpships.
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Nguruthos IX
PEN 15 CLUB
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Posted - 2013.12.26 02:43:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:Improved over the previous entire year's level of uselessness, but still useless nonetheless.
Wonder why CCP only ever wants there to be at most [one] small turret that's good for anything? What a waste they are amazing on tanks in dust? r u sure..ive seen incubuses flying over my tank all the time..when they are packing rails its like the are flinging rice at me actually flinging rice would probably be more effective
He's saying they're good on tanks.
A. tanks hardly need or use small turret support right now, so adding any would be icing for them. You wouldn't notice if the turret was a bad militia with half its shots missing.
B. small rails work better on stationary platforms. Or where movement is more limited. Tanks are on the ground and have far less Z axis movement to deal with.
Dropships have constant X,Y,Z axis, and tilt lol.
C. easier to hit targets on their broadside from a horizontal than from a vertical. Obviously true of infantry, hence the LAV's being able to snipe stationary infantry when stationary. Try that from a DS. Not happening without pure luck. |
Jason Pearson
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Posted - 2013.12.26 02:56:00 -
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Been sniping Infantry with my militia rail, will swap from Blaster to the small rail (really fucks with the Infantry who think I'm looking the other way) and then will just headshot someone, it's great fun.
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Nguruthos IX
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Posted - 2013.12.26 03:15:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:Been sniping Infantry with my militia rail, will swap from Blaster to the small rail (really fucks with the Infantry who think I'm looking the other way) and then will just headshot someone, it's great fun.
on what vehicle.
I don't think it should be the case that each turret type is by its nature worthless for certain vehicle types. |
Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2013.12.26 03:16:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:Improved over the previous entire year's level of uselessness, but still useless nonetheless.
Wonder why CCP only ever wants there to be at most [one] small turret that's good for anything? What a waste they are amazing on tanks in dust? r u sure..ive seen incubuses flying over my tank all the time..when they are packing rails its like the are flinging rice at me actually flinging rice would probably be more effective He's saying they're good on tanks. A. tanks hardly need or use small turret support right now, so adding any would be icing for them. You wouldn't notice if the turret was a bad militia with half its shots missing. B. small rails work better on stationary platforms. Or where movement is more limited. Tanks are on the ground and have far less Z axis movement to deal with. Dropships have constant X,Y,Z axis, and tilt lol. C. easier to hit targets on their broadside from a horizontal than from a vertical. Obviously true of infantry, hence the LAV's being able to snipe stationary infantry when stationary. Try that from a DS. Not happening without pure luck.
on tanks the extra hp stack is way more valuable than an afking bluedot who cant hit the broad side ofa barn with musket at 5 paces ...or who steals ur hav if i need to leave it..or who just merely prevents you from switching havs as needed..i mean maybe if i hada teamate..but to be honest small turrets without a vehicle lock just introduce way to many problems and since i no longer am forced to have small turrets..i cant honestly say my tank will ever have minis short ofa vehicle lock
why use suits when ccp gave us nice shiny op as hell tanks that cost next to nothing
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
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Posted - 2013.12.26 03:19:00 -
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my rail saga says otherwise, my record with a small rail is 26 kills in a scrim.
small rail is THE lav turret, you can shoot from far enough away that your not getting shot out by anything that isnt a sniper
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Jason Pearson
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Posted - 2013.12.26 03:21:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:Been sniping Infantry with my militia rail, will swap from Blaster to the small rail (really fucks with the Infantry who think I'm looking the other way) and then will just headshot someone, it's great fun. on what vehicle. I don't think it should be the case that each turret type is by its nature worthless for certain vehicle types.
Tank ofc :P
I don't know, they work pretty well for ground combat and I thought it was more of a precision/av weapon anyways, and I've been getting shot to **** by Dropships using a rail, they're hitting me just fine Q_Q
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Jackof All-Trades
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
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Posted - 2013.12.26 03:26:00 -
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From the get go it was obvious that missiles would be better. Having about four times more direct damage than a railgun. Why? it's so OBVIOUS.
Really, CCP, I love you for 1.7. But this was really stupid.
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Nguruthos IX
PEN 15 CLUB
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Posted - 2013.12.26 03:28:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:Been sniping Infantry with my militia rail, will swap from Blaster to the small rail (really fucks with the Infantry who think I'm looking the other way) and then will just headshot someone, it's great fun. on what vehicle. I don't think it should be the case that each turret type is by its nature worthless for certain vehicle types. Tank ofc :P I don't know, they work pretty well for ground combat and I thought it was more of a precision/av weapon anyways, and I've been getting shot to **** by Dropships using a rail, they're hitting me just fine Q_Q
I'll call you in a python with 3x complex dmg mods and 3x proto small rails, you can fill your crew with it and try to go tank hunting.
Aside from the fact that this ship will be 1 shot by anything, if you manage to hover over a tank you'll see the problem with rails.
Or if you prefer to parse it out a bit better I can get you in an incubus and line you up for as many shots with a proto small rail as you like. Let you feel how it does. |
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Jason Pearson
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Posted - 2013.12.26 03:31:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:Been sniping Infantry with my militia rail, will swap from Blaster to the small rail (really fucks with the Infantry who think I'm looking the other way) and then will just headshot someone, it's great fun. on what vehicle. I don't think it should be the case that each turret type is by its nature worthless for certain vehicle types. Tank ofc :P I don't know, they work pretty well for ground combat and I thought it was more of a precision/av weapon anyways, and I've been getting shot to **** by Dropships using a rail, they're hitting me just fine Q_Q I'll call you in a python with 3x complex dmg mods and 3x proto small rails, you can fill your crew with it and try to go tank hunting. Aside from the fact that this ship will be 1 shot by anything, if you manage to hover over a tank you'll see the problem with rails. Or if you prefer to parse it out a bit better I can get you in an incubus and line you up for as many shots with a proto small rail as you like. Let you feel how it does.
When I get home I'll check it out, though I cannot fly because KB/M = death.
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Beren Hurin
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
1932
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Posted - 2013.12.26 04:17:00 -
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Yep. Rail LAV is also good against tower snipers that are difficult to hit with missiles because no back splash. Also rail lavs are better anti air platforms. |
Borne Velvalor
Endless Hatred
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Posted - 2013.12.26 04:28:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Atiim wrote:I've found them to be quite useful in the right hands, and they are pretty good as far as AV is concerned.
And my friend The True Inferno rinses the other team when he puts one on his Incubus.
A turret that's good at everything? Missiles. step 1: get in dropship Step 2: man a proto small rail turret step 3: empty clip after clip non-stop into militia shield tank step 4: Realize that you will never kill this thing. Ever. Step 5: retire the small rail turret from use - ever.
I lost a Gunnlogi to an Assault Dropship with a small rail turret. I had completely run out of all my modules at once fighting a rail tank and didn't feel like getting out and recalling when I was probably the only vehicle he's killed in the last 15 matches.
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Vulpes Dolosus
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.26 04:29:00 -
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I slightly disagree. Yes they're not as good as other turrets (missiles, blasters are a joke too), but I've done pretty well with militia rails and a damage mod against some tanks and dropships (it's the only way to fight in dogfights, missiles are not as good), and I've seen my brother snipe people with it on an LAV.
It's a hard-mode weapon and takes a little of what I call, "Skill." 
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handkerchief guy
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.26 11:06:00 -
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What I want is new hybrid turrets (n+ÇGêÇ-¦)n+ë |
Nguruthos IX
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Posted - 2013.12.26 18:04:00 -
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handkerchief guy wrote:What I want is new hybrid turrets (n+ÇGêÇ-¦)n+ë
You want new things in Dust?
First off, lol.
Second off, they'd all be broken anyhow. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
9369
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Posted - 2013.12.26 18:38:00 -
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If only small rails were easy god mode like their bigger brother.
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