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Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2478	Posted - 2013.12.24 19:39:00 - [1] - Quote Going to allow pilots to use a MLT HAVs as a scapegoat for the AV problem while they secretly justify the power of STD HAVs with the "I threw ISK/SP at it, so I should stomp", argument? -HAND We finally deployed in the MinFW Match! \o/
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 2904	Posted - 2013.12.24 19:42:00 - [2] - Quote Probably until 1.8. »We still have our honor!
Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 627	Posted - 2013.12.24 19:43:00 - [3] - Quote Atiim wrote: Going to allow pilots to use a MLT HAVs as a scapegoat for the AV problem while they secretly justify the power of STD HAVs with the "I threw ISK/SP at it, so I should stomp", argument? -HAND FCK RAILGUNS!! Sagaris lover!!!* Commando <3
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1804	Posted - 2013.12.24 19:45:00 - [4] - Quote Instead of trying to start a flame war, why aren't you pressuring CCP about releasing webifiers and the rest of the racial AV? Lack of content makes stuff broken... GÿåTank driverGÿå
Rusty Shallows 585	Posted - 2013.12.24 19:48:00 - [5] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Probably until 1.8. Optimist. *crosses fingers* Any-hooooo I'm just amused that the Nerfing was so successful it is becoming an "in-house" issue for some people. MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2479	Posted - 2013.12.24 19:52:00 - [6] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: Instead of trying to start a flame war, why aren't you pressuring CCP about releasing webifiers and the rest of the racial AV? Not starting a flame war, just stating the obvious fact that was proven multipule times by what pilots have been posting in threads about V/AV balance. Pushing for content? You and I both know that I'd be SoonGäó'd to all hell. Can't balance around content that doesn't exist, which is exactly why roles like the Scout are in the situation they are in now. We finally deployed in the MinFW Match! \o/
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1339	Posted - 2013.12.24 19:53:00 - [7] - Quote Well I'm about a good.... oh...you should change your title. "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2480	Posted - 2013.12.24 20:01:00 - [8] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Well I'm about a good.... oh...you should change your title. Done. We finally deployed in the MinFW Match! \o/
Gods Architect Pradox One Proficiency V. 1045	Posted - 2013.12.24 20:07:00 - [9] - Quote Atiim wrote: Going to allow pilots to use a MLT HAVs as a scapegoat for the AV problem while they secretly justify the power of STD HAVs with the "I threw ISK/SP at it, so I should stomp", argument? -HAND Isn't that the argument you tankers made?? "My 10 mil SP and my 2.3 mil isk tank shouldn't be dropped by avd AV." Our augment now is that "My proto AV should be able to drop a soma at least!" I created Heaven and Hell I am God's Architect Dust Illuminati soldier Member of the Godslayer Gang and King of RP
Insufficient Data Tickle My Null-Sac 2	Posted - 2013.12.24 20:10:00 - [10] - Quote Not hard taking out tanks thanks to reduced speed. Theres many ways like proto packed Lai Dai/Allotek Flux grenade, Wyrko swarm launcher with prof to LV3.+ complex dmg. Mods, jihad LAV with RE, Forge gunner and tanking yourself. If a merc simply adjusts their playstyle then tanks won't be a big issue. It's like the noobs of New Eden need a mom like figure to guide them by the hand. When you Tickle My Null Sac the Canon shall appear. XD

Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1569	Posted - 2013.12.24 20:10:00 - [11] - Quote Atiim wrote: Going to allow pilots to use a MLT HAVs as a scapegoat for the AV problem while they secretly justify the power of STD HAVs with the "I threw ISK/SP at it, so I should stomp", argument? -HAND "You AV guys" as if he isn't included in that. Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2480	Posted - 2013.12.24 20:15:00 - [12] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Going to allow pilots to use a MLT HAVs as a scapegoat for the AV problem while they secretly justify the power of STD HAVs with the "I threw ISK/SP at it, so I should stomp", argument? -HAND "You AV guys" as if he isn't included in that. I'm as AV as I am a tanker. (by technicality) We finally deployed in the MinFW Match! \o/
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2480	Posted - 2013.12.24 20:16:00 - [13] - Quote Gods Architect wrote: Atiim wrote: Going to allow pilots to use a MLT HAVs as a scapegoat for the AV problem while they secretly justify the power of STD HAVs with the "I threw ISK/SP at it, so I should stomp", argument? -HAND Isn't that the argument you tankers made?? "My 10 mil SP and my 2.3 mil isk tank shouldn't be dropped by avd AV." Our augment now is that "My proto AV should be able to drop a soma at least!" I think you have a backwards perspective of things. We finally deployed in the MinFW Match! \o/
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1569	Posted - 2013.12.24 20:17:00 - [14] - Quote Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Going to allow pilots to use a MLT HAVs as a scapegoat for the AV problem while they secretly justify the power of STD HAVs with the "I threw ISK/SP at it, so I should stomp", argument? -HAND "You AV guys" as if he isn't included in that. I'm as AV as I am a tanker. (by technicality) So terrible at both? Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2480	Posted - 2013.12.24 20:19:00 - [15] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Going to allow pilots to use a MLT HAVs as a scapegoat for the AV problem while they secretly justify the power of STD HAVs with the "I threw ISK/SP at it, so I should stomp", argument? -HAND "You AV guys" as if he isn't included in that. I'm as AV as I am a tanker. (by technicality) So terrible at both? Nope. More like: Used to love them both to death, but now refuses to touch them. We finally deployed in the MinFW Match! \o/
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 580	Posted - 2013.12.24 20:24:00 - [16] - Quote how long are you going to ***** rather the blow them up? right now jihad jeeps/ remote explsives/ proxies and combo attacks get rid of them just fine
drake sadani Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 123	Posted - 2013.12.24 20:28:00 - [17] - Quote every time someone starts a tank thread and the response is use proto AV gear i drink . who wants to donate a liver . also the problem being already stated elsewhere . when you start the game it has a suit called ANTI ARMOR that cannot deal with armor of the same level that right there should be the indication that there is a problem not everybody has proto AV gear . that's pretty damn expensive stuff . SP and ISK wise. if you want to keep players and attract players . a tank should be a battlefield asset yes . but it should not be a win button . when the other team starts to loose . i see RDV'S blacken the sky like a swarm of vengeful undead horrors . it's not because they are desperate, it's not because they are invested in this battle . it's because MLT and STD anti armor pose barely any threat to them . and i agree you cannot balance around content you don't have but modification of content thats already there is possibl
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2480	Posted - 2013.12.24 20:29:00 - [18] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: how long are you going to ***** rather the blow them up? right now jihad jeeps/ remote explsives/ proxies and combo attacks get rid of them just fine Statement has next to nothing to do with my message to the AV community' Off Topic: I saw you in a match yesterday, and you blew the LAV that some blue hijacked. And right when I was about to pull out the Kaalikiota RR I dc'd. FML We finally deployed in the MinFW Match! \o/
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 584	Posted - 2013.12.24 20:42:00 - [19] - Quote Atiim wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: how long are you going to *** rather the blow them up? right now jihad jeeps/ remote explsives/ proxies and combo attacks get rid of them just fine Statement has next to nothing to do with my message to the AV community' Off Topic: I saw you in a match yesterday, and you blew the LAV that some blue hijacked. And right when I was about to pull out the Kaalikiota RR I dc'd. FML wierdly im in favor of an AV buff (as opposed to a tank nerf) i just hate when people keep beating a dead horse about it instead of adapting against the tanks and giving them hell while they wait for a fix. yah yah tanks are a *** to kill with the best of tools, everyone knows and a fix is coming eventually. in the meantime buck up and make em explode, pub matches mean nothing anyways and if you run with a squad instakilling tanks is still pretty easy if you have enough teamwork on your side, baiting a tank into a bad position then letting all hell lose on it is quite fun. objectives with supply depots are key, just have everyone in squad have an AV fit made and ready for each type of tank and when one comes a knocking switch over and send him back to the clone vat.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 898	Posted - 2013.12.24 20:44:00 - [20] - Quote Atiim wrote: Going to allow pilots to use a MLT HAVs as a scapegoat for the AV problem while they secretly justify the power of STD HAVs with the "I threw ISK/SP at it, so I should stomp", argument? -HAND how many times are you going to slightly rephrase your OP and make new threads out of it? "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET

Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 584	Posted - 2013.12.24 20:45:00 - [21] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: Atiim wrote: Going to allow pilots to use a MLT HAVs as a scapegoat for the AV problem while they secretly justify the power of STD HAVs with the "I threw ISK/SP at it, so I should stomp", argument? -HAND how many times are you going to slightly rephrase your OP and make new threads out of it? probably at least 3 times a day going by his thread history :P
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2434	Posted - 2013.12.24 20:48:00 - [22] - Quote I think it'll be great when vehicles have capacitors. I think everything would be fine if there were capacitors to ensure there's never maximum rep and maximum damage output virtually nonstop. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 251	Posted - 2013.12.24 20:55:00 - [23] - Quote Lol you all killed the heavy role 18 months ago you get what you deserve. The HMG adjustment is so late most players who wanted to take on the heavy role left a long time ago. Know what's funnier than watching people get kicked in the nuts? Watching a swarm launcher chase an HAV.
Commander Tzu L.O.T.I.S. 110	Posted - 2013.12.24 21:05:00 - [24] - Quote Atiim wrote: Going to allow pilots to use a MLT HAVs as a scapegoat for the AV problem while they secretly justify the power of STD HAVs with the "I threw ISK/SP at it, so I should stomp", argument? -HAND You mean the same argument you and the other AVers used on the forums to justify AV being so ridiculously strong pre-1.7 Uprising?
Soldiersaint Deepspace Digital 634	Posted - 2013.12.24 22:10:00 - [25] - Quote Atiim wrote: Going to allow pilots to use a MLT HAVs as a scapegoat for the AV problem while they secretly justify the power of STD HAVs with the "I threw ISK/SP at it, so I should stomp", argument? -HAND This game is millions of years in the future and the swarm launcher is only capable of locking on up to 175m. That makes no sense. This game might as well be modern warfare. A stinger missile can have a greater lock on range than this thing. I thought the Caldari were all about long range. Well good work messing up the lore CCP. All for that sake of something as pointless as balance. No game will ever achieve balance or even get close to it. Something will always be super powerful. But sadly grown adults who act like children will never understand that.
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2121	Posted - 2013.12.24 22:17:00 - [26] - Quote the first gun i skilled into was swarm launcher even it it was only 1 level I PITY* THE FOOL WHO GOT 40+ KILLS BUT LOST +5 EXPENSIVE FITTINGS* I RESPECT* THE MAN THAT GOT 3 KILLS
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 1033	Posted - 2013.12.24 22:18:00 - [27] - Quote Commander Tzu wrote: Atiim wrote: Going to allow pilots to use a MLT HAVs as a scapegoat for the AV problem while they secretly justify the power of STD HAVs with the "I threw ISK/SP at it, so I should stomp", argument? -HAND You mean the same argument you and the other AVers used on the forums to justify AV being so ridiculously strong pre-1.7 Uprising? I got into tanking in 1.6. It was great fun. A real test of skill. the tanks now days take no skill. There was a time we fought good tankers. Now we just fight good tanks.
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 453	Posted - 2013.12.24 22:34:00 - [28] - Quote Since when was it a scape goat? Tanker/Assault Can I have my ADV and PRO tanks now (Honeyed Lamb enroute).
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1002	Posted - 2013.12.24 22:49:00 - [29] - Quote Atiim wrote: Going to allow pilots to use a MLT HAVs as a scapegoat for the AV problem while they secretly justify the power of STD HAVs with the "I threw ISK/SP at it, so I should stomp", argument? -HAND The only PS3 exclusive that I am waiting on is FFX HD in March. And once April hits the question becomes : If I have a PS4 then why do I need a PS3?? Tick, tock CCP. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2491	Posted - 2013.12.24 23:16:00 - [30] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: Atiim wrote: Going to allow pilots to use a MLT HAVs as a scapegoat for the AV problem while they secretly justify the power of STD HAVs with the "I threw ISK/SP at it, so I should stomp", argument? -HAND how many times are you going to slightly rephrase your OP and make new threads out of it? This topic is not similar, nor does it have the same points made in other threads by me. As soon as pilots decide to stop making more than 1 thread about vehicles, then I'll start making only one thread about AV, and simply editing it. We finally deployed in the MinFW Match! \o/

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2493	Posted - 2013.12.24 23:19:00 - [31] - Quote Commander Tzu wrote: Atiim wrote: Going to allow pilots to use a MLT HAVs as a scapegoat for the AV problem while they secretly justify the power of STD HAVs with the "I threw ISK/SP at it, so I should stomp", argument? -HAND You mean the same argument you and the other AVers used on the forums to justify AV being so ridiculously strong pre-1.7 Uprising? Not even close. I don't recall any AVer ever saying "Keep STD/ADV/PRO AV where it is, and just nerf MLT AV" Nor do I recall any AVer saying "I paid ISK/SP, I should stomp" - that's actually the argument pilots made/make btw Nice try though. We finally deployed in the MinFW Match! \o/
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 584	Posted - 2013.12.24 23:42:00 - [32] - Quote Atiim wrote: Commander Tzu wrote: Atiim wrote: Going to allow pilots to use a MLT HAVs as a scapegoat for the AV problem while they secretly justify the power of STD HAVs with the "I threw ISK/SP at it, so I should stomp", argument? -HAND You mean the same argument you and the other AVers used on the forums to justify AV being so ridiculously strong pre-1.7 Uprising? Not even close. I don't recall any AVer ever saying "Keep STD/ADV/PRO AV where it is, and just nerf MLT AV" Nor do I recall any AVer saying "I paid ISK/SP, I should stomp" - that's actually the argument pilots made/make btw Nice try though. but ehy were screaming that AV was fine... while they were invisable and could nuke a tank with max resist in a single clip
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries 481	Posted - 2013.12.24 23:47:00 - [33] - Quote Dropship pilot here, swarms should get a little more damage, not too much as last build was too much but a little more lock range is good. Forge guns should get their charge time back. I think that would be a good starting point. What does av think about that?
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2493	Posted - 2013.12.24 23:50:00 - [34] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: but ehy were screaming that AV was fine... while they were invisable and could nuke a tank with max resist in a single clip We weren't completely invisible, don't sell me that bs because I'm not buying it. As for the range, I never abused it so I don't see why I should be punished for it. That's like nerfing Sniper Rifles because of Redline Snipers. We finally deployed in the MinFW Match! \o/
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2493	Posted - 2013.12.24 23:53:00 - [35] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Dropship pilot here, swarms should get a little more damage, not too much as last build was too much but a little more, lock range is good. Forge guns should get their charge time back. I think that would be a good starting point. What does av think about that? I say keep in style with SL damage increments per tier and increase the amount of Swarms per shot as opposed to damage per swarm, but either one would do. Seems good. We finally deployed in the MinFW Match! \o/
Lorhak Gannarsein 873	Posted - 2013.12.25 00:23:00 - [36] - Quote Atiim wrote: Commander Tzu wrote: Atiim wrote: Going to allow pilots to use a MLT HAVs as a scapegoat for the AV problem while they secretly justify the power of STD HAVs with the "I threw ISK/SP at it, so I should stomp", argument? -HAND You mean the same argument you and the other AVers used on the forums to justify AV being so ridiculously strong pre-1.7 Uprising? Not even close. I don't recall any AVer ever saying "Keep STD/ADV/PRO AV where it is, and just nerf MLT AV" Nor do I recall any AVer saying "I paid ISK/SP, I should stomp" - that's actually the argument pilots made/make btw Nice try though. I don't recall the AV OPness being a result of MLT AV. Nor do I recall any tanker saying "I paid ISK/SP, I should stomp". You need to invest more heavily in Reading Comprehension - our argument was more like "my fitting takes ten matches to grind back - I should take more than a single magazine to kill". Nice try though. It is, though, amusing to see AV talking about how AV HAS to be able to solo tanks for some reason... perhaps it's intended as AV in comparison to other light weapons, rather than out-DPSing a railgun. Or do you miss your homing, tower-camping, invisible crutch? EDITed to add some line breaks because I can. PRO tanker and proud. Lentarr Legionary.
Ryme Intrinseca 427	Posted - 2013.12.25 01:00:00 - [37] - Quote Atiim wrote: Going to allow pilots to use a MLT HAVs as a scapegoat for the AV problem while they secretly justify the power of STD HAVs with the "I threw ISK/SP at it, so I should stomp", argument? -HAND I agree, the worst thing CCP could do is nerf militia tanks/make them more expensive and leave everything else as it is. That would remove the only real battlefield threat to standard tanks, making them even more Godmode than they are already.
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries 484	Posted - 2013.12.25 01:28:00 - [38] - Quote Atiim wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: but ehy were screaming that AV was fine... while they were invisable and could nuke a tank with max resist in a single clip We weren't completely invisible, don't sell me that bs because I'm not buying it. As for the range, I never abused it so I don't see why I should be punished for it. That's like nerfing Sniper Rifles because of Redline Snipers. Actually swarms were completely invisible to me. When I got hit by swarms I would spin around looking for them asking my gunners where they were because for some reason they could see them and I couldn't. To find a swarm I had to look at where my gunner was aiming then sit there and wait, 50% of the time I might see where it was launched from. The other 50% I would just get hit by invisible swarms. So actually, at least to dropship pilots, swarms were invisible a good 90% of the time. A lot of people who don't fly didn't know this, and I am more than happy to provide insight as a dedicated pilot.
jerrmy12 kahoalii Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 193	Posted - 2013.12.25 01:59:00 - [39] - Quote Gods Architect wrote: Atiim wrote: Going to allow pilots to use a MLT HAVs as a scapegoat for the AV problem while they secretly justify the power of STD HAVs with the "I threw ISK/SP at it, so I should stomp", argument? -HAND Isn't that the argument you tankers made?? "My 10 mil SP and my 2.3 mil isk tank shouldn't be dropped by avd AV." Our augment now is that "My proto AV should be able to drop a soma at least!" yes pro av should drop the lowest tier tank fast recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
jerrmy12 kahoalii Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 193	Posted - 2013.12.25 02:00:00 - [40] - Quote Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Going to allow pilots to use a MLT HAVs as a scapegoat for the AV problem while they secretly justify the power of STD HAVs with the "I threw ISK/SP at it, so I should stomp", argument? -HAND "You AV guys" as if he isn't included in that. I'm as AV as I am a tanker. (by technicality) a tanker is someone good @ tanks and doesn't want tanks removed from the game like you recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit

jerrmy12 kahoalii Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 193	Posted - 2013.12.25 02:03:00 - [41] - Quote drake sadani wrote: every time someone starts a tank thread and the response is use proto AV gear i drink . who wants to donate a liver . also the problem being already stated elsewhere . when you start the game it has a suit called ANTI ARMOR that cannot deal with armor of the same level that right there should be the indication that there is a problem not everybody has proto AV gear . that's pretty damn expensive stuff . SP and ISK wise. if you want to keep players and attract players . a tank should be a battlefield asset yes . but it should not be a win button . when the other team starts to loose . i see RDV'S blacken the sky like a swarm of vengeful undead horrors . it's not because they are desperate, it's not because they are invested in this battle . it's because MLT and STD anti armor pose barely any threat to them . and i agree you cannot balance around content you don't have but modificati everyone in 1.6 had proto av, so it must be balanced around that recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Shadow of War88 0uter.Heaven 115	Posted - 2013.12.25 02:34:00 - [42] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: Instead of trying to start a flame war, why aren't you pressuring CCP about releasing webifiers and the rest of the racial AV? webifiers slow tanks down?
Slag Emberforge Immortal Retribution 349	Posted - 2013.12.26 13:21:00 - [43] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Dropship pilot here, swarms should get a little more damage, not too much as last build was too much but a little more, lock range is good. Forge guns should get their charge time back. I think that would be a good starting point. What does av think about that? I have said this exact statement for SLs and FGs many times over, do eiiittt. Although lock range could be modified just a bit and I think it wouldn't break too much 200-250m seems about right, 400m was a bit crazy to begin with
Mortedeamor 1135	Posted - 2013.12.26 13:29:00 - [44] - Quote lol while most peoples tears are irritating yours are refreshing why use suits when ccp gave us nice shiny op as hell tanks that cost next to nothing


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