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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.12.24 23:19:00 -
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Commander Tzu wrote:Atiim wrote:Going to allow pilots to use a MLT HAVs as a scapegoat for the AV problem while they secretly justify the power of STD HAVs with the "I threw ISK/SP at it, so I should stomp", argument?
-HAND You mean the same argument you and the other AVers used on the forums to justify AV being so ridiculously strong pre-1.7 Uprising?
Not even close.
I don't recall any AVer ever saying "Keep STD/ADV/PRO AV where it is, and just nerf MLT AV"
Nor do I recall any AVer saying "I paid ISK/SP, I should stomp" - that's actually the argument pilots made/make btw
Nice try though.
We finally deployed in the MinFW Match!
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
584
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Posted - 2013.12.24 23:42:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Commander Tzu wrote:Atiim wrote:Going to allow pilots to use a MLT HAVs as a scapegoat for the AV problem while they secretly justify the power of STD HAVs with the "I threw ISK/SP at it, so I should stomp", argument?
-HAND You mean the same argument you and the other AVers used on the forums to justify AV being so ridiculously strong pre-1.7 Uprising? Not even close. I don't recall any AVer ever saying "Keep STD/ADV/PRO AV where it is, and just nerf MLT AV" Nor do I recall any AVer saying "I paid ISK/SP, I should stomp" - that's actually the argument pilots made/make btw Nice try though.
but ehy were screaming that AV was fine...
while they were invisable and could nuke a tank with max resist in a single clip |
Pvt Numnutz
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
481
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Posted - 2013.12.24 23:47:00 -
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Dropship pilot here, swarms should get a little more damage, not too much as last build was too much but a little more lock range is good. Forge guns should get their charge time back. I think that would be a good starting point. What does av think about that? |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.12.24 23:50:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:
but ehy were screaming that AV was fine...
while they were invisable and could nuke a tank with max resist in a single clip
We weren't completely invisible, don't sell me that bs because I'm not buying it.
As for the range, I never abused it so I don't see why I should be punished for it. That's like nerfing Sniper Rifles because of Redline Snipers.
We finally deployed in the MinFW Match!
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
2493
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Posted - 2013.12.24 23:53:00 -
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Pvt Numnutz wrote:Dropship pilot here, swarms should get a little more damage, not too much as last build was too much but a little more, lock range is good. Forge guns should get their charge time back. I think that would be a good starting point. What does av think about that?
I say keep in style with SL damage increments per tier and increase the amount of Swarms per shot as opposed to damage per swarm, but either one would do.
Seems good.
We finally deployed in the MinFW Match!
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Lorhak Gannarsein
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Posted - 2013.12.25 00:23:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Commander Tzu wrote:Atiim wrote:Going to allow pilots to use a MLT HAVs as a scapegoat for the AV problem while they secretly justify the power of STD HAVs with the "I threw ISK/SP at it, so I should stomp", argument?
-HAND You mean the same argument you and the other AVers used on the forums to justify AV being so ridiculously strong pre-1.7 Uprising? Not even close. I don't recall any AVer ever saying "Keep STD/ADV/PRO AV where it is, and just nerf MLT AV" Nor do I recall any AVer saying "I paid ISK/SP, I should stomp" - that's actually the argument pilots made/make btw Nice try though.
I don't recall the AV OPness being a result of MLT AV.
Nor do I recall any tanker saying "I paid ISK/SP, I should stomp".
You need to invest more heavily in Reading Comprehension - our argument was more like "my fitting takes ten matches to grind back - I should take more than a single magazine to kill".
Nice try though.
It is, though, amusing to see AV talking about how AV HAS to be able to solo tanks for some reason... perhaps it's intended as AV in comparison to other light weapons, rather than out-DPSing a railgun.
Or do you miss your homing, tower-camping, invisible crutch?
EDITed to add some line breaks because I can.
PRO tanker and proud.
Lentarr Legionary.
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Ryme Intrinseca
427
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Posted - 2013.12.25 01:00:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Going to allow pilots to use a MLT HAVs as a scapegoat for the AV problem while they secretly justify the power of STD HAVs with the "I threw ISK/SP at it, so I should stomp", argument?
-HAND
I agree, the worst thing CCP could do is nerf militia tanks/make them more expensive and leave everything else as it is. That would remove the only real battlefield threat to standard tanks, making them even more Godmode than they are already. |
Pvt Numnutz
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
484
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Posted - 2013.12.25 01:28:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:
but ehy were screaming that AV was fine...
while they were invisable and could nuke a tank with max resist in a single clip
We weren't completely invisible, don't sell me that bs because I'm not buying it. As for the range, I never abused it so I don't see why I should be punished for it. That's like nerfing Sniper Rifles because of Redline Snipers.
Actually swarms were completely invisible to me. When I got hit by swarms I would spin around looking for them asking my gunners where they were because for some reason they could see them and I couldn't. To find a swarm I had to look at where my gunner was aiming then sit there and wait, 50% of the time I might see where it was launched from. The other 50% I would just get hit by invisible swarms. So actually, at least to dropship pilots, swarms were invisible a good 90% of the time.
A lot of people who don't fly didn't know this, and I am more than happy to provide insight as a dedicated pilot. |
jerrmy12 kahoalii
Krullefor Organization
Minmatar Republic
193
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Posted - 2013.12.25 01:59:00 -
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Gods Architect wrote:Atiim wrote:Going to allow pilots to use a MLT HAVs as a scapegoat for the AV problem while they secretly justify the power of STD HAVs with the "I threw ISK/SP at it, so I should stomp", argument?
-HAND Isn't that the argument you tankers made?? "My 10 mil SP and my 2.3 mil isk tank shouldn't be dropped by avd AV." Our augment now is that "My proto AV should be able to drop a soma at least!"
yes pro av should drop the lowest tier tank fast
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
Krullefor Organization
Minmatar Republic
193
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Posted - 2013.12.25 02:00:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Atiim wrote:Going to allow pilots to use a MLT HAVs as a scapegoat for the AV problem while they secretly justify the power of STD HAVs with the "I threw ISK/SP at it, so I should stomp", argument?
-HAND "You AV guys" as if he isn't included in that. I'm as AV as I am a tanker. (by technicality)
a tanker is someone good @ tanks and doesn't want tanks removed from the game like you
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
Krullefor Organization
Minmatar Republic
193
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Posted - 2013.12.25 02:03:00 -
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drake sadani wrote:every time someone starts a tank thread and the response is use proto AV gear i drink .
who wants to donate a liver .
also the problem being already stated elsewhere . when you start the game it has a suit called ANTI ARMOR
that cannot deal with armor of the same level that right there should be the indication that there is a problem
not everybody has proto AV gear . that's pretty damn expensive stuff . SP and ISK wise.
if you want to keep players and attract players . a tank should be a battlefield asset yes . but it should not be a win button .
when the other team starts to loose . i see RDV'S blacken the sky like a swarm of vengeful undead horrors .
it's not because they are desperate, it's not because they are invested in this battle .
it's because MLT and STD anti armor pose barely any threat to them .
and i agree you cannot balance around content you don't have but modificati
everyone in 1.6 had proto av, so it must be balanced around that
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Shadow of War88
0uter.Heaven
115
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Posted - 2013.12.25 02:34:00 -
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Flix Keptick wrote:Instead of trying to start a flame war, why aren't you pressuring CCP about releasing webifiers and the rest of the racial AV?
webifiers slow tanks down? |
Slag Emberforge
Immortal Retribution
349
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Posted - 2013.12.26 13:21:00 -
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Pvt Numnutz wrote:Dropship pilot here, swarms should get a little more damage, not too much as last build was too much but a little more, lock range is good. Forge guns should get their charge time back. I think that would be a good starting point. What does av think about that?
I have said this exact statement for SLs and FGs many times over, do eiiittt.
Although lock range could be modified just a bit and I think it wouldn't break too much 200-250m seems about right, 400m was a bit crazy to begin with |
Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2013.12.26 13:29:00 -
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lol while most peoples tears are irritating yours are refreshing
why use suits when ccp gave us nice shiny op as hell tanks that cost next to nothing
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