DUST Search - Not saying the HMG is OP but...

XxGhazbaranxX wrote:

I think it,s a valid tactic; dirty, but valid. I will say this though. CCP has to add an animation for either opening a door of the car or hopping in and out of the car to better emulate reality. Apart from that, heavies HMG got a distance nerf last hotfix down to 28 meters from 31 to do full damage and are doing about half damage or less at 40 meters. They are out ranged' out run and outstrafed by any other suit/weapon in the game except NV and shotties.

If this tactic is not to your liking i would honestly have to say to htfu. There are many, many disadvantages to being a heavy. Compensating for those shortcomings by using an lav to close the gaps is smart play on their part.

This is not an exploit. Exploits are glitches or poorly planned mechanics. Even with a well implemented animation of getting in and out of a vehicle leaving the heavy vulnerable for 1 to 1.5 seconds, it would still be a viable option. Much better than trying to waddle towards your opponent to try and close a gap you'll never be able to close on foot.

Heavies had to suffer for too long, being out damaged by the most crappy of players because the hmg was crap. Being oyt ranged, out dps'ed, etc. Complaining about a viable tactic is wrong. Specially when it's done because you dislike it.

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BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1414	Posted - 2013.12.24 00:21:00 - [1] - Quote Seriously you cannot get any dirtier than driving an LAV and then jumping out unloading 500 shots into the enemy, and to top it all of your to much of a (Little girl) to die like a man/woman so you jump in your LAV recover and rinse and repeat. How to kill this? Longer spool time. Suck it
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2426	Posted - 2013.12.24 00:23:00 - [2] - Quote I see plenty of heavies doing this with scrambler rifles as well because they out alpha every thing on the field. It's up there on the list of "pathetic tactics that make use of bad mechanics." Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 6646	Posted - 2013.12.24 00:23:00 - [3] - Quote I think it still needs longer range. As much as I dislike that particular tactic, what else are you meant to do? Waddle across the open and get mowed down? Level 6 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
Kane Fyea Scions of Athra 2456	Posted - 2013.12.24 00:25:00 - [4] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Seriously you cannot get any dirtier than driving an LAV and then jumping out unloading 500 shots into the enemy, and to top it all of your to much of a (Little girl) to die like a man/woman so you jump in your LAV recover and rinse and repeat. How to kill this? Longer spool time. Suck it Use AV. You now have eliminated that threat.
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2426	Posted - 2013.12.24 00:25:00 - [5] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I think it still needs longer range. As much as I dislike that particular tactic, what else are you meant to do? Waddle across the open and get mowed down? I'd say there's a difference between using something for transport and this. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 6646	Posted - 2013.12.24 00:26:00 - [6] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I think it still needs longer range. As much as I dislike that particular tactic, what else are you meant to do? Waddle across the open and get mowed down? I'd say there's a difference between using something for transport and this. Yes. I agree. Level 6 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 362	Posted - 2013.12.24 00:31:00 - [7] - Quote I love getting killed by the new HMGs. I'm always like, "Damn. They actually work as intended now. GG" and I only went through the LAV Heavy once and left alive with a free LAV. No big deal.
Mortedeamor 1091	Posted - 2013.12.24 00:33:00 - [8] - Quote wow well i must be like a 4 year old girl because i do this witha tank..pulls up unloads blaster..people hide in building hops out tank fluxes building and charges in with 1200 armor and a boundless hmg with 2 dmg mods scoffles sooooo much fun closed beta veteran 37mill sp proto ammar logi, assault, heavy
Jake Bloodworth Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 251	Posted - 2013.12.24 00:33:00 - [9] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Seriously you cannot get any dirtier than driving an LAV and then jumping out unloading 500 shots into the enemy, and to top it all of your to much of a (Little girl) to die like a man/woman so you jump in your LAV recover and rinse and repeat. How to kill this? Longer spool time. Suck it Use AV. You now have eliminated that threat. That would require him to put down his AR. He's never had to do that for a heavy and he'll be damned if he starts now. Ccp should fix this now!
Tectonic Fusion 791	Posted - 2013.12.24 00:34:00 - [10] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I think it still needs longer range. As much as I dislike that particular tactic, what else are you meant to do? Waddle across the open and get mowed down? EDIT: Also, I think that would kill some fair use of the weapon. A better solution might be to make it take time to get in and out of vehicles - this stops people doing this, jumping out of vehicles which are absolutely doomed in an instant, etc. Like rather than teleporting, you actually "jump" in the LAV? Solo Player Squad status: Locked

Kharga Lum Xeno Labs Security 178	Posted - 2013.12.24 00:35:00 - [11] - Quote Tighter maps with expanded interiors would fix this.
Zene Ren Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 27	Posted - 2013.12.24 00:35:00 - [12] - Quote just get few packed AV grenades jeez please...
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1312	Posted - 2013.12.24 00:38:00 - [13] - Quote Simple way of fixing this, add animations for getting in out vehicles, you cant use that tactic if you get shot in the arse while you get out. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 3327	Posted - 2013.12.24 00:39:00 - [14] - Quote I've been seeing this **** since codex. But back then people were doing this with assault forge guns. We used to have a time machine
DJINN Nukem Black Phoenix Mercenaries 74	Posted - 2013.12.24 00:44:00 - [15] - Quote damn ive been using this tactic since Chrom, Works Great! Trample The Weak Hurdle the Dead
castba Penguin's March 268	Posted - 2013.12.24 00:44:00 - [16] - Quote OP, this was the original "murder taxi" except it was common for 3 heavies to jump out and lay waste. Difference now is that the hmg now has much less range and the LAV won't kill as many by running them down. Pretty sure the tactic would work just as well with any medium suit packing rifles. Mortedeamor wrote: wow well i must be like a 4 year old girl because i do this witha tank..pulls up unloads blaster..people hide in building hops out tank fluxes building and charges in with 1200 armor and a boundless hmg with 2 dmg mods scoffles sooooo much fun Tactic sounds humorous, but I am more interested in the suit you are using for this. 1200 armour and 2x damage mods?
Justice Prevails 148	Posted - 2013.12.24 00:48:00 - [17] - Quote Jake Bloodworth wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Seriously you cannot get any dirtier than driving an LAV and then jumping out unloading 500 shots into the enemy, and to top it all of your a (Little girl) to die like a man/woman so you jump in your LAV recover and rinse and repeat. How to kill this? Longer spool time. Suck it Use AV. You now have eliminated that threat. That would require him to put down his AR. He's never had to do that for a heavy and he'll be damned if he starts now. Ccp should fix this now! If you don't blow him up right away, using A/V just tells him all you have is a side arm. Don't care for the tactic, but can't fault guys for using the resources available to them. Would being proficient with a plasma cannon be a decent counter? Great job, team. Head back to the MCC for debriefing and cocktails.
Vitharr Foebane Living Like Larry Schwag 428	Posted - 2013.12.24 00:58:00 - [18] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Seriously you cannot get any dirtier than driving an LAV and then jumping out unloading 500 shots into the enemy, and to top it all of your to much of a (Little girl) to die like a man/woman so you jump in your LAV recover and rinse and repeat. How to kill this? Longer spool time. Suck it Would you rather have the heavy cower in the city like a lil girl or throw themselves into your VASTLY superior range like a good lil masochist? I'll be honest, sometimes I need to get to an objective that ISN'T in a city and I refuse to waddle across open ground. So it's quite obvious that I am going to call in a LAV to haul my lard butt over there. I 99% of the time ignore infantry on my way to an objective and if you are at the letter when I get there... well sucks to be you. Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3 That's no excuse though to slack off on releasing a heavy laser =.=
danthrax martin Butcher's Nails 22	Posted - 2013.12.24 01:09:00 - [19] - Quote I haven't used dirty lav tactics. I just use them to get to an objective, i never recall them. I have one of the slowest dropsuit available. I figure i leave lavs for a distraction so i can waddle to cover... Free lav or take out heavy... Hmmmm.... Adv. Commando, AR / swarm Adv. Sentinel, AR / HMG "I need More Ammo!!!"....."Medic!"
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2453	Posted - 2013.12.24 01:23:00 - [20] - Quote That's why almost all of my fits carry Lai Dai Packed AV Grenades. Well not anymore. Apparently OHKing MLT LAVs was OP We finally deployed in the MinFW Match! \o/

Daxxis KANNAH Distinct Covert Initiative 551	Posted - 2013.12.24 01:29:00 - [21] - Quote Range is fine now. Trouble is they dont even need to go into crouch anymore to focus fire. They can just spray. A slight tweak and they will be golden.
Thumb Green Novashift 602	Posted - 2013.12.24 01:31:00 - [22] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Seriously you cannot get any dirtier than driving an LAV and then jumping out unloading 500 shots into the enemy, and to top it all of your to much of a (Little girl) to die like a man/woman so you jump in your LAV recover and rinse and repeat. How to kill this? Longer spool time. Suck it Would you rather have the heavy cower in the city like a lil girl or throw themselves into your VASTLY superior range like a good lil masochist? Except when they do this they pop out right out in front of you; rendering your vastly superior range useless. CCP: Is it the most asinine way possible to do this? Yes. Then that's how we're doing it.
Vitharr Foebane Living Like Larry Schwag 428	Posted - 2013.12.24 01:32:00 - [23] - Quote Daxxis KANNAH wrote: Range is fine now. Trouble is they dont even need to go into crouch anymore to focus fire. They can just spray. A slight tweak and they will be golden. you do realize the HMG IS the ultimate spray and pray weapon right? Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3 That's no excuse though to slack off on releasing a heavy laser =.=
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2455	Posted - 2013.12.24 01:33:00 - [24] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Daxxis KANNAH wrote: Range is fine now. Trouble is they dont even need to go into crouch anymore to focus fire. They can just spray. A slight tweak and they will be golden. you do realize the HMG IS the ultimate spray and pray weapon right? We finally deployed in the MinFW Match! \o/
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 854	Posted - 2013.12.24 01:47:00 - [25] - Quote Atiim wrote: That's why almost all of my fits carry Lai Dai Packed AV Grenades. Well not anymore. Apparently OHKing MLT LAVs was OP Nope, I still do it. It was your Lai Dais that were OP. And OP, get gud. These fatties are using the resources available to them to maximise their strengths, and minimise their weaknesses. They're still fat, slow and can barely strafe. PRO tanker and proud. Lentarr Legionary.
Mortedeamor 1094	Posted - 2013.12.24 01:47:00 - [26] - Quote castba wrote: OP, this was the original "murder taxi" except it was common for 3 heavies to jump out and lay waste. Difference now is that the hmg now has much less range and the LAV won't kill as many by running them down. Pretty sure the tactic would work just as well with any medium suit packing rifles. Mortedeamor wrote: wow well i must be like a 4 year old girl because i do this witha tank..pulls up unloads blaster..people hide in building hops out tank fluxes building and charges in with 1200 armor and a boundless hmg with 2 dmg mods scoffles sooooo much fun Tactic sounds humorous, but I am more interested in the suit you are using for this. 1200 armour and 2x damage mods? amar heavy proto duh.. i suppose its a bit less than 1200 actually..closer to 1100 i dunno i never get down to armor when i do this tactic... ill get on laters and check the exact hp ive also been working my tanking skills up because i think it would be funny to have 2 hmgs with 1 dmg mod hop out of my tank sprinting at 7.5ms closed beta veteran 37mill sp proto ammar logi, assault, heavy
Daxxis KANNAH Distinct Covert Initiative 551	Posted - 2013.12.24 01:49:00 - [27] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Daxxis KANNAH wrote: Range is fine now. Trouble is they dont even need to go into crouch anymore to focus fire. They can just spray. A slight tweak and they will be golden. you do realize the HMG IS the ultimate spray and pray weapon right? Yes however the crouch mechanism is there for a reason. Your shots should be going all over the place before the focus and that isnt the case. As soon as they start to spray the cone is already too cylindrical imo. If it is going to stay this way then the spool up time has to be increased.
Vitharr Foebane Living Like Larry Schwag 429	Posted - 2013.12.24 01:58:00 - [28] - Quote Daxxis KANNAH wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Daxxis KANNAH wrote: Range is fine now. Trouble is they dont even need to go into crouch anymore to focus fire. They can just spray. A slight tweak and they will be golden. you do realize the HMG IS the ultimate spray and pray weapon right? Yes however the crouch mechanism is there for a reason. Your shots should be going all over the place before the focus and that isnt the case. As soon as they start to spray the cone is already too cylindrical imo. If it is going to stay this way then the spool up time has to be increased. Actually increased spool up time would screw you even more in a CQC situation due to the larger retical means more area for the 2400 rpm bullet hose that is the HMG to hit. Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3 That's no excuse though to slack off on releasing a heavy laser =.=
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2428	Posted - 2013.12.24 01:58:00 - [29] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Atiim wrote: That's why almost all of my fits carry Lai Dai Packed AV Grenades. Well not anymore. Apparently OHKing MLT LAVs was OP Nope, I still do it. It was your Lai Dais that were OP. And OP, get gud. These fatties are using the resources available to them to maximise their strengths, and minimise their weaknesses. They're still fat, slow and can barely strafe. You're joking right? Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1783	Posted - 2013.12.24 02:03:00 - [30] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I think it still needs longer range. As much as I dislike that particular tactic, what else are you meant to do? Waddle across the open and get mowed down? EDIT: Also, I think that would kill some fair use of the weapon. A better solution might be to make it take time to get in and out of vehicles - this stops people doing this, jumping out of vehicles which are absolutely doomed in an instant, etc. Like rather than teleporting, you actually "jump" in the LAV? A heavy does not jump, it pushes the planet away from him. Lack of content makes stuff broken... GÿåTank driverGÿå

Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 895	Posted - 2013.12.24 02:06:00 - [31] - Quote I'm beating heavies with a standard rail, and toxin combo in cqc. You're just bad. *CALDARI not so MASTER RACE* Forum Warrior Level: 10
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2430	Posted - 2013.12.24 02:10:00 - [32] - Quote ITT people who aren't sure what this thread is actually about. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3476	Posted - 2013.12.24 02:11:00 - [33] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Seriously you cannot get any dirtier than driving an LAV and then jumping out unloading 500 shots into the enemy, and to top it all of your to much of a (Little girl) to die like a man/woman so you jump in your LAV recover and rinse and repeat. How to kill this? Longer spool time. Suck it AV grenades used to stop this from happening but , you can thank SPKR4 and the other QQ whiny tankers for the AV nade nerfs,now they cant take out a freakn LAV...what a Joke.... AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
Lonewolf Heavy ROGUE SPADES 1	Posted - 2013.12.24 02:15:00 - [34] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: A heavy does not jump, it pushes the planet away from him. I find your statement to be very true, Also on the subject of heavy drive-by's Just be aware of the LAV closing in. If you are anything except a heavy don't waste bullets trying to kill them before they reach you and instead use that time to find the closest hill or cover and take advantage of it, also be constantly falling back to keep out of their range, kind of like a kite tactic in EVE. Also if you are a heavy or commando like myself, you go straight for them. That's at least how I've dealt with them for the most part.
Long Evity 829	Posted - 2013.12.24 02:16:00 - [35] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Seriously you cannot get any dirtier than driving an LAV and then jumping out unloading 500 shots into the enemy, and to top it all of your to much of a (Little girl) to die like a man/woman so you jump in your LAV recover and rinse and repeat. How to kill this? Longer spool time. Suck it AV grenades used to stop this from happening but , you can thank SPKR4 and the other QQ whiny tankers for the AV nade nerfs,now they cant take out a freakn LAV...what a Joke.... Yes... they can? Takes 2 proto AV nade to kill 90% of all LAV's. With no higher variant for LAV's to turn too - this is the least CCP could do for LAV pilots, as it is an intended 'role' in this game. Also: I LOVE MY HMG <3 I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3476	Posted - 2013.12.24 02:19:00 - [36] - Quote Lonewolf Heavy wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: A heavy does not jump, it pushes the planet away from him. I find your statement to be very true, Also on the subject of heavy drive-by's Just be aware of the LAV closing in. If you are anything except a heavy don't waste bullets trying to kill them before they reach you and instead use that time to find the closest hill or cover and take advantage of it, also be constantly falling back to keep out of their range, kind of like a kite tactic in EVE. Also if you are a heavy or commando like myself, you go straight for them. That's at least how I've dealt with them for the most part. ''Just be aware of the LAV closing in.'' we would if they didnt have a scan precision LOWER than a freakn Scout. ''. If you are anything except a heavy don't waste bullets trying to kill them before they reach you and instead use that time to find the closest hill or cover and take advantage of it'' And if there isnt any? Because you know, Dust514 maps are preatty F%#$^& open... Besides these 2 point, Heavies in LAV's are powerful because AV is underpowered and there by Underused, there by they can abuse doing this to nullify their weakness,speed. THATS ALL. AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
The Attorney General 1688	Posted - 2013.12.24 02:20:00 - [37] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: I'd say there's a difference between using something for transport and this. Clearly you don't know the definition of transport then. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Lonewolf Heavy ROGUE SPADES 1	Posted - 2013.12.24 02:28:00 - [38] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: ''Just be aware of the LAV closing in.'' we would if they didnt have a scan precision LOWER than a freakn Scout. ''. If you are anything except a heavy don't waste bullets trying to kill them before they reach you and instead use that time to find the closest hill or cover and take advantage of it'' And if there isnt any? Because you know, Dust514 maps are preatty F%#$^& open... Besides these 2 point, Heavies in LAV's are powerful because AV is underpowered and there by Underused, there by they can abuse doing this to nullify their weakness,speed. THATS ALL. I agree, AV can really use a boost in damage but if you are with a squad and not solo you can do fine against any vehicle and that it is a pretty ridiculous idea in dust to think you can run to cover but if you are in the middle of the open long enough for a heavy in a LAV to roll on you, that's your problem because you decided to sit out there in the first place. Also the maps may have little to no cover but they got a ton of hills you can take advantage of. I'm not saying use your radar, I'm saying actually look around and pay attention to your surroundings. The radar is next to useless if you don't have active scanners because CCP doesn't know how to work the scan profiles.
XxGhazbaranxX The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 853	Posted - 2013.12.24 02:59:00 - [39] - Quote I think it,s a valid tactic; dirty, but valid. I will say this though. CCP has to add an animation for either opening a door of the car or hopping in and out of the car to better emulate reality. Apart from that, heavies HMG got a distance nerf last hotfix down to 28 meters from 31 to do full damage and are doing about half damage or less at 40 meters. They are out ranged' out run and outstrafed by any other suit/weapon in the game except NV and shotties. If this tactic is not to your liking i would honestly have to say to htfu. There are many, many disadvantages to being a heavy. Compensating for those shortcomings by using an lav to close the gaps is smart play on their part. This is not an exploit. Exploits are glitches or poorly planned mechanics. Even with a well implemented animation of getting in and out of a vehicle leaving the heavy vulnerable for 1 to 1.5 seconds, it would still be a viable option. Much better than trying to waddle towards your opponent to try and close a gap you'll never be able to close on foot. Heavies had to suffer for too long, being out damaged by the most crappy of players because the hmg was crap. Being oyt ranged, out dps'ed, etc. Complaining about a viable tactic is wrong. Specially when it's done because you dislike it. Plasma Cannon Advocate For every niche there is a Rifle
Lonewolf Heavy ROGUE SPADES 1	Posted - 2013.12.24 03:07:00 - [40] - Quote XxGhazbaranxX wrote: I think it,s a valid tactic; dirty, but valid. I will say this though. CCP has to add an animation for either opening a door of the car or hopping in and out of the car to better emulate reality. Apart from that, heavies HMG got a distance nerf last hotfix down to 28 meters from 31 to do full damage and are doing about half damage or less at 40 meters. They are out ranged' out run and outstrafed by any other suit/weapon in the game except NV and shotties. If this tactic is not to your liking i would honestly have to say to htfu. There are many, many disadvantages to being a heavy. Compensating for those shortcomings by using an lav to close the gaps is smart play on their part. This is not an exploit. Exploits are glitches or poorly planned mechanics. Even with a well implemented animation of getting in and out of a vehicle leaving the heavy vulnerable for 1 to 1.5 seconds, it would still be a viable option. Much better than trying to waddle towards your opponent to try and close a gap you'll never be able to close on foot. Heavies had to suffer for too long, being out damaged by the most crappy of players because the hmg was crap. Being oyt ranged, out dps'ed, etc. Complaining about a viable tactic is wrong. Specially when it's done because you dislike it. You have expressed my feelings perfectly



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