DUST Search - Can someone help me with profile dampening?

Mitch Laurence wrote:

Sana Rayya wrote:

The below facts have been tested/verified by me using two PS3s in Oceania.

1. Scouts inherently beat Advanced and Basic scanners by nature of their suit bonus (avoids 36dB and higher).

2. To beat 28dB proto scanners, scouts need Dampening Lvl 3 and a single basic or militia dampener. I previously thought it was Lvl 2 Dampening but it's really Lvl 3.

3. To beat the 15dB Duvolle Focused scanners, the Gallente proto scout must have Dampening Lvl 5 and four complex dampeners. Three complex and one enhanced won't do it. This is the only suit in the game that beats the Duvolle Focused.

4. In all of my tests, I received "No Margin of Error" upon scanning the scout no matter if he was illuminated (successfully scanned) or not. I was not able produce the "Some Margin of Error" message, leading me to believe that it was either taken out entirely or that the conditions to display it are so discriminative that it is very rarely seen.

So my advice to scouts:

Get dampening to 3 (202k SP).

Start your battles without dampeners. If you find that you are scanned, switch to a suit with a basic or militia dampener.

If you are scanned after that, either switch to a different class or take note of when you are scanned and count for 10 seconds; once ten seconds are up (the scan time and illumination time of Duvolle Focused scanners), you will likely fall off of the squad's radar (unless they have multiple Duvolle Focused scanners in the squad, which is rare).

If you still find yourself dying or suspect the enemy of using multiple Focused scanners, snipe :)

The post is from today in Gen discussions, go check it out. Give Sana a thumb.

My alts: GeneralJohnRipper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior.

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DeadlyAztec11 2866	Posted - 2013.12.23 06:23:00 - [1] - Quote So if we consider a proto Gallante Scout suit with level 5 scout(-5% Scout profile per level for a total of 25% less profile) and if we add the profile dampening level 5 in (-2% profile per level) we get a grand total of 35% less profile dampening. Therefore, .35 x 45 = 15.75. So then, 45 GÇô 15.75 = 29.25 So the default profile of the scout would be 29.25. Now let us add a complex profile dampener ans basic dampener, I will assume that the profile dampener affects the original profile, 45, instead of the one affected by the skills, 29.25. If anybody could tell me if the dampener affects the original suit profile or modified profile, it would be much appreciated. Anyhow... .3347 x 45 = 15.0615 Now here is where I am really not sure about it. I add the modified subtraction from the passive skills, 15.75, to the subtraction from the complex dampener, 11.25. Therefore, 15.0615 + 11.25 = 30.8156 Then, 45 GÇô 30.8155 = 14.1885 db So my question is, am I right? Will one Complex Dampener and one basic dampener keep you off 15 db Duvolle Focused Scanner? I argued this before but someone said that they had tested it and that the only way to get below 15 db would be to use 4 complex dampeners on a Gallante Scout suit. So was my math wrong or was their test flawed? »We still have our honor!
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 575	Posted - 2013.12.23 15:06:00 - [2] - Quote I don't think it works that way, but I don't have a Gallente Scout to test it. My theory: Start at 45dB. Profile Dampening Lvl 5 bonus applies first (-10%), bringing you down to 40.5dB. From the 40.5dB, your scout bonus applies (-25%), bringing you to 30.375dB. From 30.375dB, you now subtract your reduction bonus from profile dampener modules. The bonus from these are affected by stacking penalties. So one basic and one complex computes to -33.47%, or only 20.21dB. Four complex is -53.23%, or 14.21dB. You can only get under 15dB using four complex (switching to 3 complex and one enhanced puts you at 15.15dB).
DeadlyAztec11 2877	Posted - 2013.12.23 16:21:00 - [3] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: I don't think it works that way, but I don't have a Gallente Scout to test it. My theory: Start at 45dB. Profile Dampening Lvl 5 bonus applies first (-10%), bringing you down to 40.5dB. From the 40.5dB, your scout bonus applies (-25%), bringing you to 30.375dB. From 30.375dB, you now subtract your reduction bonus from profile dampener modules. The bonus from these are affected by stacking penalties. So one basic and one complex computes to -33.47%, or only 20.21dB. Four complex is -53.23%, or 14.21dB. You can only get under 15dB using four complex (switching to 3 complex and one enhanced puts you at 15.15dB). If that is how it works than that means that the only scout suit that will ever be able to avoid the Duvolle Focused scanner will be the Proto Gallante Scout, I of course assume that neither the Caldari scout nor the Amarr scout will have 4 or more low slots. Quite a disappointing result. »We still have our honor!
Mitch Laurence The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 10	Posted - 2013.12.25 18:00:00 - [4] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: The below facts have been tested/verified by me using two PS3s in Oceania. 1. Scouts inherently beat Advanced and Basic scanners by nature of their suit bonus (avoids 36dB and higher). 2. To beat 28dB proto scanners, scouts need Dampening Lvl 3 and a single basic or militia dampener. I previously thought it was Lvl 2 Dampening but it's really Lvl 3. 3. To beat the 15dB Duvolle Focused scanners, the Gallente proto scout must have Dampening Lvl 5 and four complex dampeners. Three complex and one enhanced won't do it. This is the only suit in the game that beats the Duvolle Focused. 4. In all of my tests, I received "No Margin of Error" upon scanning the scout no matter if he was illuminated (successfully scanned) or not. I was not able produce the "Some Margin of Error" message, leading me to believe that it was either taken out entirely or that the conditions to display it are so discriminative that it is very rarely seen. So my advice to scouts: Get dampening to 3 (202k SP). Start your battles without dampeners. If you find that you are scanned, switch to a suit with a basic or militia dampener. If you are scanned after that, either switch to a different class or take note of when you are scanned and count for 10 seconds; once ten seconds are up (the scan time and illumination time of Duvolle Focused scanners), you will likely fall off of the squad's radar (unless they have multiple Duvolle Focused scanners in the squad, which is rare). If you still find yourself dying or suspect the enemy of using multiple Focused scanners, snipe :) The post is from today in Gen discussions, go check it out. Give Sana a thumb. "People will say we're in love." -Hannibal Lecter
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 2933	Posted - 2013.12.25 19:09:00 - [5] - Quote Mitch Laurence wrote: Sana Rayya wrote: The below facts have been tested/verified by me using two PS3s in Oceania. 1. Scouts inherently beat Advanced and Basic scanners by nature of their suit bonus (avoids 36dB and higher). 2. To beat 28dB proto scanners, scouts need Dampening Lvl 3 and a single basic or militia dampener. I previously thought it was Lvl 2 Dampening but it's really Lvl 3. 3. To beat the 15dB Duvolle Focused scanners, the Gallente proto scout must have Dampening Lvl 5 and four complex dampeners. Three complex and one enhanced won't do it. This is the only suit in the game that beats the Duvolle Focused. 4. In all of my tests, I received "No Margin of Error" upon scanning the scout no matter if he was illuminated (successfully scanned) or not. I was not able produce the "Some Margin of Error" message, leading me to believe that it was either taken out entirely or that the conditions to display it are so discriminative that it is very rarely seen. So my advice to scouts: Get dampening to 3 (202k SP). Start your battles without dampeners. If you find that you are scanned, switch to a suit with a basic or militia dampener. If you are scanned after that, either switch to a different class or take note of when you are scanned and count for 10 seconds; once ten seconds are up (the scan time and illumination time of Duvolle Focused scanners), you will likely fall off of the squad's radar (unless they have multiple Duvolle Focused scanners in the squad, which is rare). If you still find yourself dying or suspect the enemy of using multiple Focused scanners, snipe :) The post is from today in Gen discussions, go check it out. Give Sana a thumb. Damn, that really sucks. Thanks for the info. My alts: GeneralJohnRipper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior.
Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation 526	Posted - 2013.12.25 22:20:00 - [6] - Quote AGH WHY ARE WE DOING CCPs **ING WORK!!! JUST TELL US OUR DB IN THE STATISTICS Assassination is my thing.**
Dustbunny Durrr ReD or DeaD 16	Posted - 2013.12.26 20:22:00 - [7] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: AGH WHY ARE WE DOING CCPs ****ING WORK!!! JUST TELL US OUR DB IN THE STATISTICS Take out the all caps, and the profanity, and then you can get a +1
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3264	Posted - 2014.01.14 23:10:00 - [8] - Quote Dustbunny Durrr wrote: Smooth Assassin wrote: AGH WHY ARE WE DOING CCPs ****ING WORK!!! JUST TELL US OUR DB IN THE STATISTICS Take out the all caps, and the profanity, and then you can get a +1 Why? You wanna battle / Aztec's not afraid of you / I could care less about your reputation / Even though it maybe true.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 4	Posted - 2014.01.15 18:33:00 - [9] - Quote even then even if you DO show up dosnt such a tiny profile mean you pretty much disappear in .5 of a second? Nanite Injectors! Nanite Injectors Everywhere!
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3268	Posted - 2014.01.15 19:13:00 - [10] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: even then even if you DO show up dosnt such a tiny profile mean you pretty much disappear in .5 of a second? Naw, it lasts for 5 seconds, or longer than it takes to kill a scout. You wanna battle / Aztec's not afraid of you / I could care less about your reputation / Even though it maybe true.

Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1622	Posted - 2014.01.18 15:34:00 - [11] - Quote Well with the new base scout db being 35 all a g-scout has to equip is a complex damp and he/she will be just fine. "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3333	Posted - 2014.01.18 16:56:00 - [12] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Well with the new base scout db being 35 all a g-scout has to equip is a complex damp and he/she will be just fine. Yep, this thread will be pointless come 1.8 My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior


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