DUST Search - Tanks are ruining this game

True Adamance wrote:

KING CHECKMATE wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

KING CHECKMATE wrote:

Jason Pearson wrote:

You ruin the game.

Heh.Its funny how tankers keep insisting everything is ok....

Don't see why I shouldn't be able to have a viable role on the map every game if I want to fork out ISK for it.

Was funny how AVers said everything was fine when they were invisible at 50m could shoot swarms across the map with no aim or skill required and pump out 7k damagein 6 seconds.

Issue is even if you reduce it to 2 tanks per match and put an artificial limit on a sand box game I will still call out a tank every match, for every one of my many lives because infantry combat is boring as hell.

* Don't see why I shouldn't be able to have a viable role on the map every game if I want to fork out ISK for it.
im not saying that.im saying tanking is broken. Tankers keep twisting my/our words trying it to sound like we are just QQ ing about anything. deep inside, you all know something is wrong. Just want to keep the crutch taht are MLT tanks.

*Was funny how AVers said everything was fine when they were invisible at 50m could shoot swarms across the map with no aim or skill required and pump out 7k damagein 6 seconds.
You should very well know i was against bad Rendering on all AV weaponry.
You sure talk like Tanking is a ''skilled'' art now in 1.7..... EVEN I can tank... LOL

.... because infantry combat is boring as hell.
This is just a point of view and NOT a fact. There by,it cannot be used to talk about balance in any way.

You aren't a tanker if you use MLT gear simple as that. Poser is a better word.

Fact of the matter is sure you can now tank, but I will outclass you in everyway given that I have invested SP. Where do you want tanks to be?

We can't destroy cover, we cant capture objectives, you don't want tanks to be the best counter to other tanks, and you hate it when we roflstomp the **** out of infantry.... you cant stand it when we are affordable, you cant stand the buffs to our weapons, or the nerfs to yours....

What the hell do you infantry players want?

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The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 1989	Posted - 2013.12.22 23:35:00 - [1] - Quote The current state of this game is basically to get as many tanks on your side before the other team does. And once that happends its basically game over and no way to defeat the other team. You might say that different game modes would grant versatile gameplay sadly this is not the case. -Ambush you better call as many tanks in as possible cause the other team will do it aswell. And once your tank count hits 0 there is no way to get the upper hand. Dont bother with AV once there are 6 tanks they just steamroll you regardless how much AV you bring. -Skirmish once you get redlined the hostile team switches to a combo of blaster and railgun tanks. The railgun tanks will pop your vehicles before you can even get into them. -Domination same as skirmish just with 1 objective. So how can we stop this madness? Av obviously doesnt cut it cause swarms do 0 damage against hardened shield tanks and armor tanks can achieve somewhat like 500HP/s passive repair which means that even proto assault forgegun hits are repaired before you can squeeze a 2nd shot out. In my opinion AV needs to be brought back to their former performance yes this means swarms, forgeguns and AV nades. A other solution would be to hardcap tanks in any game mode to max 2. No cap on LAV's and like 3 dropships at once. This game has become literally unplayable if you stay as regular infantry. The last time where i felt the need to bring a tank into every match was in the closed beta. Where if you wouldnt had a tank you lost the game by default. And as it looks like those days returned. Does CCP actually think that bringing back old stuff (which is obviously broken) is a good idea? Anyway ive let a guy from CCP feel how it is to be on the "receiving end" from a hardened shield tank. Used a gunnlogi and did put 3 shield hardeners onto it. kept 1 running all the time and let him get some volleys off to demonstrate that his proto swarms are useless. the name of the dev was "CCP Pacifier." I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
Protocake JR Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 1179	Posted - 2013.12.22 23:36:00 - [2] - Quote v v The PC and SL should fit into Sidearm/ Equipment slots so it's accessible and practical to carry one. AV spam vs V spam
Jason Pearson 3591	Posted - 2013.12.22 23:36:00 - [3] - Quote You ruin the game. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire. Buffing or Debuffing Vehicles or AV will never fix anything.
Big miku Nation of Miku 316	Posted - 2013.12.22 23:39:00 - [4] - Quote Just make the OBs in Faction and PC more effective on everything.
Mac Dac Wraith Shadow Guards D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 397	Posted - 2013.12.22 23:51:00 - [5] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: The current state of this game is basically to get as many tanks on your side before the other team does. And once that happends its basically game over and no way to defeat the other team. You might say that different game modes would grant versatile gameplay sadly this is not the case. -Ambush you better call as many tanks in as possible cause the other team will do it aswell. And once your tank count hits 0 there is no way to get the upper hand. Dont bother with AV once there are 6 tanks they just steamroll you regardless how much AV you bring. -Skirmish once you get redlined the hostile team switches to a combo of blaster and railgun tanks. The railgun tanks will pop your vehicles before you can even get into them. -Domination same as skirmish just with 1 objective. So how can we stop this madness? Av obviously doesnt cut it cause swarms do 0 damage against hardened shield tanks and armor tanks can achieve somewhat like 500HP/s passive repair which means that even proto assault forgegun hits are repaired before you can squeeze a 2nd shot out. In my opinion AV needs to be brought back to their former performance yes this means swarms, forgeguns and AV nades. A other solution would be to hardcap tanks in any game mode to max 2. No cap on LAV's and like 3 dropships at once. This game has become literally unplayable if you stay as regular infantry. The last time where i felt the need to bring a tank into every match was in the closed beta. Where if you wouldnt had a tank you lost the game by default. And as it looks like those days returned. Does CCP actually think that bringing back old stuff (which is obviously broken) is a good idea? Anyway ive let a guy from CCP feel how it is to be on the "receiving end" from a hardened shield tank. Used a gunnlogi and did put 3 shield hardeners onto it. kept 1 running all the time and let him get some volleys off to demonstrate that his proto swarms are useless. the name of the dev was "CCP Pacifier." DAFUQ! how did you get 3 hardners on your tank when i have to sacrifice for 1 on my dropship? "We should take care not to make intellect our god; it has, of course, strong muscles, but no personality" Albert Einste
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3461	Posted - 2013.12.22 23:55:00 - [6] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: You ruin the game. Heh.Its funny how tankers keep insisting everything is ok.... AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
True Adamance Scions of Athra 5202	Posted - 2013.12.22 23:59:00 - [7] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: You ruin the game. Heh.Its funny how tankers keep insisting everything is ok.... Don't see why I shouldn't be able to have a viable role on the map every game if I want to fork out ISK for it. Was funny how AVers said everything was fine when they were invisible at 50m could shoot swarms across the map with no aim or skill required and pump out 7k damagein 6 seconds. Issue is even if you reduce it to 2 tanks per match and put an artificial limit on a sand box game I will still call out a tank every match, for every one of my many lives because infantry combat is boring as hell. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
dogmanpig black market bank 86	Posted - 2013.12.23 00:00:00 - [8] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: You ruin the game. Heh.Its funny how tankers keep insisting everything is ok.... its funny how you keep asking for the forge to have 10k range, unlimted range, full auto w/ 700 rounds and OHK everything including the MCC. You hate me, I hate you. Lets keep it that way. Level 8 1/10 Forum alt. "Its worth half a penny and a reach around"
Kharga Lum Xeno Labs Security 169	Posted - 2013.12.23 00:06:00 - [9] - Quote Having maps with more dynamic interiors would fix some of this problem. The tankers could still tank but infantry would be underground or inside a complex city or wherever. Limiting a tanks access on the map may be a more effective method then simply limiting them. This returns the value of infantry to the fight. Want to take and hold a point? Boots on the ground. The complexity of these maps is flatter then many PS2 games. Can't kill a tank? Yes AV is weak but giving infantry enough places to go that tanks can't would make this game way more exciting. Tanks are a problem because infantry can only fight on a field. Tanks are king of open spaces. Fighting in a city should be scary and dangerous for tanks. Right now everything has to face a tank on it's own terms. Windows, rooftops, tunnels etc. Even Battlefield1942 had more complex city maps.
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 846	Posted - 2013.12.23 00:09:00 - [10] - Quote Effective Counter to Tanks -Squad up with 5 Logis who have access to at least ADV remote explosives -At the beginning of the match, run to the nearest Supply Depot and proceed to call in 6 LAVs -Strap on REs to LAVs -Use Supply Depot to switch out to STARTER FITS -Get in LAVs and drive to enemy side of map -Make tanks asplode!!! -Repeat once more -No more tanks should be called in

Tectonic Fusion 772	Posted - 2013.12.23 00:16:00 - [11] - Quote True Adamance wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: You ruin the game. Heh.Its funny how tankers keep insisting everything is ok.... Don't see why I shouldn't be able to have a viable role on the map every game if I want to fork out ISK for it. Was funny how AVers said everything was fine when they were invisible at 50m could shoot swarms across the map with no aim or skill required and pump out 7k damagein 6 seconds. Issue is even if you reduce it to 2 tanks per match and put an artificial limit on a sand box game I will still call out a tank every match, for every one of my many lives because infantry combat is boring as hell. Get a basic scout with a complex damage mod, basic rail rifle, enhanced nova knives, basic armor plate, and an enhanced profile dampener, and tell me that isn't boring... Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Stinker Butt Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 227	Posted - 2013.12.23 00:17:00 - [12] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Anyway ive let a guy from CCP feel how it is to be on the "receiving end" from a hardened shield tank. Used a gunnlogi and did put 3 shield hardeners onto it. kept 1 running all the time and let him get some volleys off to demonstrate that his proto swarms are useless. the name of the dev was "CCP Pacifier." +1 Like for this alone. I'd love to see them try to use swarms, AV nades or even forge against my tank. I think I would just sit 10 meters away pointing at them with my turret and laughing, not firing. He'd probably get bored and walk away. Please give tanks some balance
True Adamance Scions of Athra 5203	Posted - 2013.12.23 00:17:00 - [13] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: True Adamance wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: You ruin the game. Heh.Its funny how tankers keep insisting everything is ok.... Don't see why I shouldn't be able to have a viable role on the map every game if I want to fork out ISK for it. Was funny how AVers said everything was fine when they were invisible at 50m could shoot swarms across the map with no aim or skill required and pump out 7k damagein 6 seconds. Issue is even if you reduce it to 2 tanks per match and put an artificial limit on a sand box game I will still call out a tank every match, for every one of my many lives because infantry combat is boring as hell. Get a basic scout with a complex damage mod, basic rail rifle, enhanced nova knives, basic armor plate, and an enhanced profile dampener, and tell me that's boring... Been there and done that. Kept me interested for a week. Scout, Scrambler Rifle, Dual ScP, Damage mods, armour tanked, passive scans, hacking, nova knives, etc. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
Subject 36 Pradox XVI 45	Posted - 2013.12.23 00:22:00 - [14] - Quote I played with CCP Pacifier earlier today. I beleive it was a domination match and the team we both were on ended up cloning the opposing team. We weren't in the same squad or anything, but it was cool. (Totally off topic) Amarr Templars
Jason Pearson 3595	Posted - 2013.12.23 00:26:00 - [15] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: You ruin the game. Heh.Its funny how tankers keep insisting everything is ok.... It's funny how you keep forgetting my threads, you know the ones that call for actual balance rather than ridiculous buffs to current AV that isn't needed, and yet still get in the "YOU WANT TO STAY BROKEN AND BE OP" despite giving reasonable feedback and offering viable solutions that wouldn't be ******* ridiculous for one side or the other. But no, please, go ahead, QQ some more about how hard it is to kill a tank and then just ignore anything that isn't BUFF ALL THE AV. The majority of you are scrubs that just want to sit on a building holding R1 down without aiming anyways. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire. Buffing or Debuffing Vehicles or AV will never fix anything.
Jason Pearson 3595	Posted - 2013.12.23 00:42:00 - [16] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: The current state of this game is basically to get as many tanks on your side before the other team does. And once that happends its basically game over and no way to defeat the other team. You might say that different game modes would grant versatile gameplay sadly this is not the case. -Ambush you better call as many tanks in as possible cause the other team will do it aswell. And once your tank count hits 0 there is no way to get the upper hand. Dont bother with AV once there are 6 tanks they just steamroll you regardless how much AV you bring. -Skirmish once you get redlined the hostile team switches to a combo of blaster and railgun tanks. The railgun tanks will pop your vehicles before you can even get into them. -Domination same as skirmish just with 1 objective. So how can we stop this madness? Av obviously doesnt cut it cause swarms do 0 damage against hardened shield tanks and armor tanks can achieve somewhat like 500HP/s passive repair which means that even proto assault forgegun hits are repaired before you can squeeze a 2nd shot out. In my opinion AV needs to be brought back to their former performance yes this means swarms, forgeguns and AV nades. A other solution would be to hardcap tanks in any game mode to max 2. No cap on LAV's and like 3 dropships at once. This game has become literally unplayable if you stay as regular infantry. The last time where i felt the need to bring a tank into every match was in the closed beta. Where if you wouldnt had a tank you lost the game by default. And as it looks like those days returned. Does CCP actually think that bringing back old stuff (which is obviously broken) is a good idea? Anyway ive let a guy from CCP feel how it is to be on the "receiving end" from a hardened shield tank. Used a gunnlogi and did put 3 shield hardeners onto it. kept 1 running all the time and let him get some volleys off to demonstrate that his proto swarms are useless. the name of the dev was "CCP Pacifier." Anyways I better address the OP properly. Don't much care for Ambush do what you want there, but for Skirmish and Domi, don't reduce the hardcap, I'm not here to kill Infantry every game, I'm playing for the tank fights, the ones where two tank squads meet and just lay into eachother, more fun that Infantry. You've lost all my respect as a vehicle player Cloud, you keep talking about swarms against a ***** shield tank, it's **** as and until you learn that Explosives aren't going to match up to forges or PLCs, your going to carry on looking like an idiot. Next, a tank with a 500hp/s passive regen (I'm pretty sure you've pulled that number out of thin air) would mean sacrificing all the low slots in favour of heavy reps, meaning no hardeners, meaning you just need to break his shields and then smash him with proto swarms + dam mods, two volleys, he'll be pretty close to death, you just have to keep on him... wait you didn't want to just toss three av grenades did you? iirc you used to cry about that all the time. Finally, you're using THREE ***** shield hardeners and you're being hit by EXPLOSIVES, your opinion is invalid for using broken fittings /thread. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire. Buffing or Debuffing Vehicles or AV will never fix anything.
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3463	Posted - 2013.12.23 00:42:00 - [17] - Quote True Adamance wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: You ruin the game. Heh.Its funny how tankers keep insisting everything is ok.... Don't see why I shouldn't be able to have a viable role on the map every game if I want to fork out ISK for it. Was funny how AVers said everything was fine when they were invisible at 50m could shoot swarms across the map with no aim or skill required and pump out 7k damagein 6 seconds. Issue is even if you reduce it to 2 tanks per match and put an artificial limit on a sand box game I will still call out a tank every match, for every one of my many lives because infantry combat is boring as hell. * Don't see why I shouldn't be able to have a viable role on the map every game if I want to fork out ISK for it. im not saying that.im saying tanking is broken. Tankers keep twisting my/our words trying it to sound like we are just QQ ing about anything. deep inside, you all know something is wrong. Just want to keep the crutch taht are MLT tanks. Was funny how AVers said everything was fine when they were invisible at 50m could shoot swarms across the map with no aim or skill required and pump out 7k damagein 6 seconds. You should very well know i was against bad Rendering on all AV weaponry. You sure talk like Tanking is a ''skilled'' art now in 1.7..... EVEN I can tank... LOL .... because infantry combat is boring as hell.* This is just a point of view and NOT a fact. There by,it cannot be used to talk about balance in any way. AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
thesupertman Better Hide R Die 83	Posted - 2013.12.23 00:43:00 - [18] - Quote CCP nerf The tank HP or make it so there are only 2 tanks per team. -4 LAVS per team -3 dropships per team -two tanks I think I'm the only person still waiting for mechs/giant robot killing machines..... dangCCPyourslowpickupthepace
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3463	Posted - 2013.12.23 00:44:00 - [19] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: You ruin the game. Heh.Its funny how tankers keep insisting everything is ok.... It's funny how you keep forgetting my threads, you know the ones that call for actual balance rather than ridiculous buffs to current AV that isn't needed, and yet still get the "YOU WANT TO STAY BROKEN AND BE OP" despite giving reasonable feedback and offering viable solutions that wouldn't be ******* ridiculous for one side or the other. But no, please, go ahead, QQ some more about how hard it is to kill a tank and then just ignore anything that isn't BUFF ALL THE AV. The majority of you are scrubs that just want to sit on a building holding R1 down without aiming anyways. I dont forget your threads. but no matter how eloquent they are or if i agree with them or not, Unelaborate posts get unelaborate answers.... AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
Jason Pearson 3595	Posted - 2013.12.23 00:45:00 - [20] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: * Don't see why I shouldn't be able to have a viable role on the map every game if I want to fork out ISK for it. im not saying that.im saying tanking is broken. Tankers keep twisting my/our words trying it to sound like we are just QQ ing about anything. deep inside, you all know something is wrong. Just want to keep the crutch taht are MLT tanks. Was funny how AVers said everything was fine when they were invisible at 50m could shoot swarms across the map with no aim or skill required and pump out 7k damagein 6 seconds. You should very well know i was against bad Rendering on all AV weaponry. You sure talk like Tanking is a ''skilled'' art now in 1.7..... EVEN I can tank... LOL .... because infantry combat is boring as hell.* This is just a point of view and NOT a fact. There by,it cannot be used to talk about balance in any way. Preeeetty sure AVers are the ones that get mad when we talk about nerfing/changing militia tanks followed by "IF YOU NERF THEM YOU JUST WANT TO BE INVINCIBLE!!!!!111" Tanking requires more effort than previously, unless you're a massive scrub using more than a single hardener, breaking the game. And sure, you may think you can "tank", but anyone can tank against bad AVers or bad tankers, what sets you apart is fighting good tankers and AVers. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire. Buffing or Debuffing Vehicles or AV will never fix anything.

KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3463	Posted - 2013.12.23 00:47:00 - [21] - Quote dogmanpig wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: You ruin the game. Heh.Its funny how tankers keep insisting everything is ok.... its funny how you keep asking for the forge to have 10k range, unlimted range, full auto w/ 700 rounds and OHK everything including the MCC. Yeah , THATS EXACTLY what im asking for.... Quote me on that so i wont think you are a SCRUB talking out of his ass... Oh wait... YOU CANT. AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
arimal lavaren L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 305	Posted - 2013.12.23 00:49:00 - [22] - Quote I've been away for awhile but are people really still taking the dark cloud seriously?
Jason Pearson 3596	Posted - 2013.12.23 00:50:00 - [23] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: dogmanpig wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: You ruin the game. Heh.Its funny how tankers keep insisting everything is ok.... its funny how you keep asking for the forge to have 10k range, unlimted range, full auto w/ 700 rounds and OHK everything including the MCC. Yeah , THATS EXACTLY what im asking for.... Quote me on that so i wont think you are a SCRUB talking out of his ass... Oh wait... YOU CANT. Ahem KING CHECKMATE wrote: I WANT MY FORGE TO HAVE 10KM RANGE AND 700 ROUNDS IN IT AND BUFF SO I CAN DO OHKSON EVERYTHING! It would also be nice to make it fully auto so I don't have to charge it any more. Found it. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire. Buffing or Debuffing Vehicles or AV will never fix anything.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2411	Posted - 2013.12.23 00:50:00 - [24] - Quote "I must bend like a reed in the wind" "Be as water" Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
True Adamance Scions of Athra 5205	Posted - 2013.12.23 00:51:00 - [25] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: True Adamance wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: You ruin the game. Heh.Its funny how tankers keep insisting everything is ok.... Don't see why I shouldn't be able to have a viable role on the map every game if I want to fork out ISK for it. Was funny how AVers said everything was fine when they were invisible at 50m could shoot swarms across the map with no aim or skill required and pump out 7k damagein 6 seconds. Issue is even if you reduce it to 2 tanks per match and put an artificial limit on a sand box game I will still call out a tank every match, for every one of my many lives because infantry combat is boring as hell. * Don't see why I shouldn't be able to have a viable role on the map every game if I want to fork out ISK for it. im not saying that.im saying tanking is broken. Tankers keep twisting my/our words trying it to sound like we are just QQ ing about anything. deep inside, you all know something is wrong. Just want to keep the crutch taht are MLT tanks. Was funny how AVers said everything was fine when they were invisible at 50m could shoot swarms across the map with no aim or skill required and pump out 7k damagein 6 seconds. You should very well know i was against bad Rendering on all AV weaponry. You sure talk like Tanking is a ''skilled'' art now in 1.7..... EVEN I can tank... LOL .... because infantry combat is boring as hell.* This is just a point of view and NOT a fact. There by,it cannot be used to talk about balance in any way. You aren't a tanker if you use MLT gear simple as that. Poser is a better word. Fact of the matter is sure you can now tank, but I will outclass you in everyway given that I have invested SP. Where do you want tanks to be? We can't destroy cover, we cant capture objectives, you don't want tanks to be the best counter to other tanks, and you hate it when we roflstomp the **** out of infantry.... you cant stand it when we are affordable, you cant stand the buffs to our weapons, or the nerfs to yours.... What the hell do you infantry players want? To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
Jason Pearson 3596	Posted - 2013.12.23 00:56:00 - [26] - Quote True Adamance wrote: What the hell do you infantry players want? It's rather simple, Infantry want to be able to use three Lai Dais with minimal effort to remove us from the battlefield. They've gotten so use to the ezmode AV, and the proper tankers have gotten so used to being stomped a lot, so they've adapted and gotten better at tanking, that they just simply outclass most of the AVers in the game. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire. Buffing or Debuffing Vehicles or AV will never fix anything.
Goric Rumis Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 258	Posted - 2013.12.23 00:56:00 - [27] - Quote Kharga Lum wrote: Tanks are a problem because infantry can only fight on a field. Tanks are king of open spaces. Fighting in a city should be scary and dangerous for tanks. Right now everything has to face a tank on it's own terms. Windows, rooftops, tunnels etc. Even Battlefield1942 had more complex city maps. This isn't completely true of the newest maps, but the older maps seem to have been designed without really thinking about creating dynamic and varied gameplay experience with tactical points that aren't designated by null cannons. See my previous posts about map design. I think this is the primary issue. We could also do with a more appropriate drawback to equipping multiple hardeners. For example, each additional hardener cuts the amount of time each hardener works by 40% (compounded so the second hardener would shorten times to 60%, the third to 36%, and a hypothetical fourth to 21.6%). That way you can equip multiple hardeners if you want to be very crunchy for a short period of time, or if your tactics involve using your hardeners more often but for shorter lengths of time.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1003	Posted - 2013.12.23 01:01:00 - [28] - Quote True Adamance wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: True Adamance wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: You ruin the game. Heh.Its funny how tankers keep insisting everything is ok.... Don't see why I shouldn't be able to have a viable role on the map every game if I want to fork out ISK for it. Was funny how AVers said everything was fine when they were invisible at 50m could shoot swarms across the map with no aim or skill required and pump out 7k damagein 6 seconds. Issue is even if you reduce it to 2 tanks per match and put an artificial limit on a sand box game I will still call out a tank every match, for every one of my many lives because infantry combat is boring as hell. * Don't see why I shouldn't be able to have a viable role on the map every game if I want to fork out ISK for it. im not saying that.im saying tanking is broken. Tankers keep twisting my/our words trying it to sound like we are just QQ ing about anything. deep inside, you all know something is wrong. Just want to keep the crutch taht are MLT tanks. Was funny how AVers said everything was fine when they were invisible at 50m could shoot swarms across the map with no aim or skill required and pump out 7k damagein 6 seconds. You should very well know i was against bad Rendering on all AV weaponry. You sure talk like Tanking is a ''skilled'' art now in 1.7..... EVEN I can tank... LOL .... because infantry combat is boring as hell.* This is just a point of view and NOT a fact. There by,it cannot be used to talk about balance in any way. You aren't a tanker if you use MLT gear simple as that. Poser is a better word. Fact of the matter is sure you can now tank, but I will outclass you in everyway given that I have invested SP. Where do you want tanks to be? We can't destroy cover, we cant capture objectives, you don't want tanks to be the best counter to other tanks, and you hate it when we roflstomp the **** out of infantry.... you cant stand it when we are affordable, you cant stand the buffs to our weapons, or the nerfs to yours.... What the hell do you infantry players want? and to be honest, the nerf to the AV weaponry was stupid to begin with when you give a tank the ability to disengage at will and the ability to shrug of multiple proto AV weapon when hardeners are up. both together makes killing a tank with a good pilot almost impossible and waiting the whole game in a AV suit just for a minor chance to kill a tank? no thanks. I will rather hop into a railtank myself and 3 shot him.
Assert Dominance Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 673	Posted - 2013.12.23 01:08:00 - [29] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: Effective Counter to Tanks -Squad up with 5 Logis who have access to at least ADV remote explosives -At the beginning of the match, run to the nearest Supply Depot and proceed to call in 6 LAVs -Strap on REs to LAVs -Use Supply Depot to switch out to STARTER FITS -Get in LAVs and drive to enemy side of map -Make tanks asplode!!! -Repeat once more -No more tanks should be called in some of us like to play obj and win... not hunt tanks with RE while our team is on the verge of being redlined. LogicGäó
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 1003	Posted - 2013.12.23 02:18:00 - [30] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: "I must bend like a reed in the wind" "Be as water" so bend over or run Watch my back does not mean look at my spine.



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