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Jason Pearson 3554	Posted - 2013.12.21 23:49:00 - [1] - Quote More than one hardener. Also, why is it I keep hearing from AVers "Tanks are OP, I've used them" and tell me they've only used dual hardeners? Nerf the ability to place more than one hardener, or make them affect eachother (having two on a tank reduces their effectiveness massively, even if only one is active) and you'll fix a major problem. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire. Buffing or Debuffing Vehicles or AV will never fix anything.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2394	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:04:00 - [2] - Quote I've never fit dual hardners on my tanks since 1.7 I honestly didn't even think there was a need too, since the first one already offers 60% resistance. Your argument falls apart there. Holy Fudgenipples!!! MY HMG WORKS!!! IT ACTUALLY WORKS!!! \o/
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 3910	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:06:00 - [3] - Quote Atiim wrote: I've never fit dual hardners on my tanks since 1.7 I honestly didn't even think there was a need too, since the first one already offers 60% resistance. Your argument falls apart there. Its so you can almost have 60% Resist all match. Not so you can stack them. DUST is so broken, even my PS3 refuses to let me play it.
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 1109	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:10:00 - [4] - Quote I used to only use 1. Now I use 3 on my shield tanks because I realized for defense against AV, Shield Hardeners are king. Cycle them, stack them, it's all good and OP versus infantry. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
Charlie Barkin KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 19	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:10:00 - [5] - Quote Tanks are viewed as OP because it takes teamwork to kill them as a infantry base. Tanks are doing their job once again. They are the shock and awe of the game. Designed to hit hard and demoralize the enemy. The real question is, are you doing your job as infantry?
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3428	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:11:00 - [6] - Quote Atiim wrote: I've never fit dual hardners on my tanks since 1.7 I honestly didn't even think there was a need too, since the first one already offers 60% resistance. Your argument falls apart there. I equip 2 because most ''Good tankers'' DONT. So after their hardeners AND mines are up,and they are thinking on ''going for the kill'', since they have superior guns (problably) Then they realize im a scrub and i still have 1 more hardener to try and take them down PLUS an ARMOR Harderner + Heavy Armor rep to flee in case i couldnt win XD Might be scrub tactic....but so is tank spamming .... AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 175	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:12:00 - [7] - Quote Atiim wrote: I've never fit dual hardners on my tanks since 1.7 I honestly didn't even think there was a need too, since the first one already offers 60% resistance. Your argument falls apart there. They're not run at the same time. Dual repper maddies are pretty good too. I think the problem is less hardeners and more to do with the 4sec / 6sec non depleted recharge times on tanks, add 2-4 seconds to each of those numbers and give the gunnlogi about 400-700 more hp and there would be less complaints I think as right now they're getting hp back between forge shots / reloads
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES 1472	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:14:00 - [8] - Quote Atiim wrote: I've never fit dual hardners on my tanks since 1.7 I honestly didn't even think there was a need too, since the first one already offers 60% resistance. Your argument falls apart there. lol lol its answers like this that show how amateurish your tanking escapades must have been after the launch of 1.7 lol Its gone from suck .....to blow level 1 forum warrior
Ivy Zalinto Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd 199	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:15:00 - [9] - Quote The rails I run dont seem to have a problem with one or two hardeners on. Still kill them if they dont run. I love that rail damage booster. Though I will say this. I shot a heavy in the chest with my rail and didnt kill him this morning. Know it was a dirrect hit. He had like 10% health left and was sniping at people. Lucky bastard XD Didnt lose my tank that game but it made me laugh pretty hard...one doesnt simply eat a 80gj railgun to the chest. Dedicated scout. New player tutor; scout instructor Scrambler Pistol dedication
Jason Pearson 3556	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:15:00 - [10] - Quote Atiim wrote: I've never fit dual hardners on my tanks since 1.7 I honestly didn't even think there was a need too, since the first one already offers 60% resistance. Your argument falls apart there. Nope, it doesn't fall apart, what do you do when your hardener runs out? You either take cover/run away, or have no AV hitting you. Dual hardeners allows you to keep the 60% running constant, I've done it, for ***** and giggles on a CRU tank, killing people when blues spawn to provide cover fire and should they both run out I activate an Armor hardener and take cover, it's ridiculously broken. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire. Buffing or Debuffing Vehicles or AV will never fix anything.

pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES 1472	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:16:00 - [11] - Quote also im going to leave this hear pop over and have a gander . https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=130978&find=unread Its gone from suck .....to blow level 1 forum warrior
True Adamance Scions of Athra 5174	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:17:00 - [12] - Quote Atiim wrote: I've never fit dual hardners on my tanks since 1.7 I honestly didn't even think there was a need too, since the first one already offers 60% resistance. Your argument falls apart there. Against a decent tanker that 60% resist wont save you, two activated one after the other will. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 1109	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:17:00 - [13] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Atiim wrote: I've never fit dual hardners on my tanks since 1.7 I honestly didn't even think there was a need too, since the first one already offers 60% resistance. Your argument falls apart there. Nope, it doesn't fall apart, what do you do when your hardener runs out? You either take cover/run away, or have no AV hitting you. Dual hardeners allows you to keep the 60% running constant, I've done it, for ***** and giggles on a CRU tank, killing people when blues spawn to provide cover fire and should they both run out I activate an Armor hardener and take cover, it's ridiculously broken. The REAL scrubs like me use three. Screw 80% hardened, I'm going for 100% and the chance to stack them more often! Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 787	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:18:00 - [14] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Atiim wrote: I've never fit dual hardners on my tanks since 1.7 I honestly didn't even think there was a need too, since the first one already offers 60% resistance. Your argument falls apart there. I equip 2 because most ''Good tankers'' DONT. So after their hardeners AND mines are up,and they are thinking on ''going for the kill'', since they have superior guns (problably) Then they realize im a scrub and i still have 1 more hardener to try and take them down PLUS an ARMOR Harderner + Heavy Armor rep to flee in case i couldnt win XD Might be scrub tactic....but so is tank spamming .... and then you realize that I have triple stacked complex damage mods on my railgun. I have 6 shots before overheat. 1450x1.87=2711.5 per shot Lets just say I overheat it so all six shots. that's 16,269 damage coming your way. 9,761 after your hardener is applied. still more damage than even the brickiest brick tank can withstand. Oh. and I'm not even to advanced rails yet(Missiles specialized) I just kind of built that for shiggles, but after basically 3 shotting everything except installations, I'm putting points in. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2395	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:23:00 - [15] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Against a decent tanker that 60% resist wont save you, two activated one after the other will. Doesn't really matter when my tank is so cheap that I could afford to field 16 of them simultaneously. Also, against a decent tanker I can get my entire squad to use "Jihad Jeeps" to nearly instapop the tank. I don't care how good a tanker you are. If 6 people with Boundless REs are driving at you from all sides, your going to die. Holy Fudgenipples!!! MY HMG WORKS!!! IT ACTUALLY WORKS!!! \o/
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 1110	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:24:00 - [16] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Atiim wrote: I've never fit dual hardners on my tanks since 1.7 I honestly didn't even think there was a need too, since the first one already offers 60% resistance. Your argument falls apart there. I equip 2 because most ''Good tankers'' DONT. So after their hardeners AND mines are up,and they are thinking on ''going for the kill'', since they have superior guns (problably) Then they realize im a scrub and i still have 1 more hardener to try and take them down PLUS an ARMOR Harderner + Heavy Armor rep to flee in case i couldnt win XD Might be scrub tactic....but so is tank spamming .... and then you realize that I have triple stacked complex damage mods on my railgun. I have 6 shots before overheat. 1450x1.87=2711.5 per shot Lets just say I overheat it so all six shots. that's 16,269 damage coming your way. 9,761 after your hardener is applied. still more damage than even the brickiest brick tank can withstand. Oh. and I'm not even to advanced rails yet(Missiles specialized) I just kind of built that for shiggles, but after basically 3 shotting everything except installations, I'm putting points in. If I see you outside of the redline, I'll just stack resistance until you do 300-500 damage a shot and pop your glass cannon in 5-6 seconds, even with a Blaster. If you're in the redline, you might as well just double amp a militia railgun on a Sica. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3428	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:24:00 - [17] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: and then you realize that I have triple stacked complex damage mods on my railgun. I have 6 shots before overheat. 1450x1.87=2711.5 per shot Lets just say I overheat it so all six shots. that's 16,269 damage coming your way. 9,761 after your hardener is applied. still more damage than even the brickiest brick tank can withstand. Oh. and I'm not even to advanced rails yet(Missiles specialized) I just kind of built that for shiggles, but after basically 3 shotting everything except installations, I'm putting points in. Yeah because :1st/Im going to stay still LOL 2nd/Having so many Dam mods might feel cool,but my 'Harbringer' Missiles do in any tipe of tank in 1 or 2 volleys without Hardeners on.... It all comes down to range. Even a Basic SICA scares the S/// out of me if he is far away with a Rail. XD Thing is horribly powerful... Up close im not too afraid with 3 hardeners time to take you on..... AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
Kane Fyea Scions of Athra 2420	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:25:00 - [18] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: More than one hardener. Also, why is it I keep hearing from AVers "Tanks are OP, I've used them" and tell me they've only used dual hardeners? Nerf the ability to place more than one hardener, or make them affect eachother (having two on a tank reduces their effectiveness massively, even if only one is active) and you'll fix a major problem. Dual reppers works good.
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 2384	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:26:00 - [19] - Quote Charlie Barkin wrote: Tanks are viewed as OP because it takes teamwork to kill them as a infantry base. Tanks are doing their job once again. They are the shock and awe of the game. Designed to hit hard and demoralize the enemy. The real question is, are you doing your job as infantry? Reasoning is often over looked for own selfish gains. Great post. If Infantry actually responded to the tanks properly instead of just running from them whole match while trying to squeeze in kills, there wouldn't be such problems. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2395	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:27:00 - [20] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: Atiim wrote: I've never fit dual hardners on my tanks since 1.7 I honestly didn't even think there was a need too, since the first one already offers 60% resistance. Your argument falls apart there. lol lol its answers like this that show how amateurish your tanking escapades must have been after the launch of 1.7 lol Truth hurts much? Also, what escapades? Now I simply have SP into vehicles simply to have it there. I don't tank nearly as much anymore. Holy Fudgenipples!!! MY HMG WORKS!!! IT ACTUALLY WORKS!!! \o/

Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 789	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:31:00 - [21] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Yeah because :1st/Im going to stay still LOL 2nd/Having so many Dam mods might feel cool,but my 'Harbringer' Missiles do in any tipe of tank in 1 or 2 volleys without Hardeners on.... It all comes down to range. Even a Basic SICA scares the S/// out of me if he is far away with a Rail. XD Thing is horribly powerful... Up close im not too afraid with 3 hardeners time to take you on..... I'm sorry, what's a harbinger? is it proto? because I have proto missiles. and friends manning my small missile guns. and a damage mod that I can run alongside my hardener and full shield regen. I pick dropships out of the sky, and I have to shoot them twice-ish sometimes. they're faster and harder to hit than another tank at range. It's almost funny though, when someone sets an ambush for me and then they learn a lesson in "not screwing with the thing that puts out enough ordinance to level a small country. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2395	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:35:00 - [22] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Atiim wrote: I've never fit dual hardners on my tanks since 1.7 I honestly didn't even think there was a need too, since the first one already offers 60% resistance. Your argument falls apart there. Nope, it doesn't fall apart, what do you do when your hardener runs out? You either take cover/run away, or have no AV hitting you. Dual hardeners allows you to keep the 60% running constant, I've done it, for ***** and giggles on a CRU tank, killing people when blues spawn to provide cover fire and should they both run out I activate an Armor hardener and take cover, it's ridiculously broken. I view tanks as OP, yet unlike what you just said I only use 1 hardner. How does that part of your argument not fall apart? Unless I'm misreading what you said. As for CRU tanks, I can't wait for the webifires to come. I can't wait to see my makeshift Trojan Horse in action. But yes, the idea of having two 60% hardners is incredibly broken. Holy Fudgenipples!!! MY HMG WORKS!!! IT ACTUALLY WORKS!!! \o/
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3429	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:36:00 - [23] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Yeah because :1st/Im going to stay still LOL 2nd/Having so many Dam mods might feel cool,but my 'Harbringer' Missiles do in any tipe of tank in 1 or 2 volleys without Hardeners on.... It all comes down to range. Even a Basic SICA scares the S/// out of me if he is far away with a Rail. XD Thing is horribly powerful... Up close im not too afraid with 3 hardeners time to take you on..... I'm sorry, what's a harbinger? is it proto? because I have proto missiles. and friends manning my small missile guns. and a damage mod that I can run alongside my hardener and full shield regen. I pick dropships out of the sky, and I have to shoot them twice-ish sometimes. they're faster and harder to hit than another tank at range. It's almost funny though, when someone sets an ambush for me and then they learn a lesson in "not screwing with the thing that puts out enough ordinance to level a small country. Dude.No its STD. And never the less: Without having to spend a single SP point in Tanks , i have a good chance on dropping most tankers with my MLT tank. Maybe not YOU specifically nor 100% dedicated tankers, (im not looking to sound Pro here with tanks)because i kind of suck at tanking, but i have a record of 5 maddys and 3 Gunnos in one single match with my MLT Sica and multiple hardeners...makes you think right? Specially the fact my tanks cost so little ISK too..... AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
Jason Pearson 3560	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:37:00 - [24] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: and then you realize that I have triple stacked complex damage mods on my railgun. I have 6 shots before overheat. 1450x1.87=2711.5 per shot Lets just say I overheat it so all six shots. that's 16,269 damage coming your way. 9,761 after your hardener is applied. still more damage than even the brickiest brick tank can withstand. Oh. and I'm not even to advanced rails yet(Missiles specialized) I just kind of built that for shiggles, but after basically 3 shotting everything except installations, I'm putting points in. Erm, 1.87. are you sure? Anyways, with a single hardener I can handle a single hardener with ease, two I have to dodge a little more, with a second hardener I shrug off two with no issue, and three isn't as bad as you think it is, and then it leaves you open to a return rail shot, you'll be two shotted before you can react. In terms of waves of opportunity, dual hardeners break that idea. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire. Buffing or Debuffing Vehicles or AV will never fix anything.
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 789	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:48:00 - [25] - Quote Good catch. I just realized it's 1.73 I screwed up the stacking penalty (30% first mod, 26 next 17 on the third totaling at 73% increase additively) so, revised damage: (1450x1.73)x6=15,051 with overheating If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
Divu Aakmin UNIVERSAL BONDAGE 27	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:54:00 - [26] - Quote If tanks aren't OP then please admit Swarm is trash. Can barely scratch the aint of militia tanks dumping 6 standard rockets and tossing a grenade if they have any passive rep (militia rep.)
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1818	Posted - 2013.12.22 01:02:00 - [27] - Quote So if a tank can run 2 hardeners that can be run all the time...when is infantry suppose to hit it? Wasn't that the big balancing point? What does a tank have to sacrifice? Not to mention the skills that lower the recharge time and raise the active time for modules. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Jason Pearson 3562	Posted - 2013.12.22 01:18:00 - [28] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: Good catch. I just realized it's 1.73 I screwed up the stacking penalty (30% first mod, 26 next 17 on the third totaling at 73% increase additively) so, revised damage: (1450x1.73)x6=15,051 with overheating I've been informed resistances work like this: You take the values of the resistance and then take from that the remain percent of damage, then for your next resistance, apply the stacking penalty and then remove the remaining percent of damage from that, then you multiply these together, the remaining out of 1 is the total resistance you have. Am not good at maths and Musta Tornius says he's not an expert either, but let's try this 60%, remaining 40% 600.87=52.2% remainder 47.8% 0.400.478=19.12% Damage, leaving 80.88% resists Now if I'm right, despite the unlikelihood of that being the case, your damage per shot is 479.6252, multiplied by 6 that's 2877.7512, while these hardeners are active, which means by the time you've overheated against my build, which is 2600 shields and 1200 armor iirc (not near a PS3 to check) you'd have eaten into my armor and left me with 1000 Armor due to the fact I run an Armor Hardener as well, it wouldn't kill me, even without the armor hardener. And since most builds with hardeners run a booster, the moment you stop firing I hit my booster and it bypasses the recharge delay, so now I'm gaining around 160 shields a second, you're overheated, I'm still running hardeners and now I'm away. If I had one hardener on, you might win, with two I'll survive, ofcourse that's if I did the maths correctly, can someone else do it? Q_Q King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire. Buffing or Debuffing Vehicles or AV will never fix anything.
Another Matari Terrorist Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.12.22 01:19:00 - [29] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: So if a tank can run 2 hardeners that can be run all the time...when is infantry suppose to hit it? Wasn't that the big balancing point? What does a tank have to sacrifice? Not to mention the skills that lower the recharge time and raise the active time for modules. Why do you think he's saying dual hardeners are broken?
Jason Pearson 3562	Posted - 2013.12.22 01:24:00 - [30] - Quote Divu Aakmin wrote: If tanks aren't OP then please admit Swarm is trash. Can barely scratch the paint of militia tanks dumping 6 standard rockets and tossing a grenade if they have any passive rep (militia rep.) I launched 3 volleys with a double damage modded CBR7 at an Armor Tank, he was almost dead as he activated his hardeners, if I'd of chucked a flux first he would've been done, or had better swarms. They're not trash, but players fight tanks with hardeners on. With the dual hardener setup you can run it near indefinitely. I mean one ridiculous fit for a Gunnlogi is 2x Hardener, 1x Light Booster, 1x Armor Hardener and 1x Rep. You run the Shield Hardener, get the next one going the moment it runs out, then due to you having 10 seconds between them (if you've got max skills and running complex), put your armor hardener on, let them eat a little into it, pop your shield hardener on and hit the light booster, your booster makes the shield recharge delay non existent and you rep through the incoming damage. Only way you're being pushed back is if 4-5 proto avs push you or another tank. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire. Buffing or Debuffing Vehicles or AV will never fix anything.



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