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Divu Aakmin UNIVERSAL BONDAGE 26	Posted - 2013.12.21 13:36:00 - [1] - Quote Okay the topic is misleading... sort of. A wedge exists, i believe, in the wealthy and the middle class of Dust514. Wealthy players are on top of the leader board (isk). Less wealthy exist elsewhere. Top players get paid more in matches, wealthy corps takes more pc and gains more wealth. If we force our youngest and poorest player base into the worst equipment can we expect retention? They will count this game as p2w. The payouts could be better for the bottom 75% of the team. The market open to sell salvage... we need some isk making opportunities that dont require getting ground into hamburger using starter fits or sniping. Are there statistics that show corps like motanai japan, nyan san(sp?)AE income/ wealth vs. Total wealth of dust vs. Their own wealth. I am curious to see a wedge growing. PC mechanics vs reward are a bit broken imo. A corp on top stays on top. So my request is a way to spread the wealth. Less payout for #1 and more payout for #16 and everthing in between relative to these standards. I don't want easy money... well i do. But the reason is for player retention. Also, AUR payout would spur more AUR purchase. As a guy with sales xp you put the product in the customers hands. This isnt done now. Not to mention bow many people dont buy on account of pride. You would get AUR buyers under the P2W radar... think about it.
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 849	Posted - 2013.12.21 13:52:00 - [2] - Quote New Eden is a hypercapitalistic dystopia. What do you expect? What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage looks nicer.
Divu Aakmin UNIVERSAL BONDAGE 26	Posted - 2013.12.21 14:12:00 - [3] - Quote Just one mans opinion. If #15 #16 receive 40-70k and #1 and #2 receives 250k to 350k that is quite a bit lop sided. This isnt capitalism either. There is no open market. This is communist dystopia. Big brother needs to open his wallet.
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 849	Posted - 2013.12.21 14:32:00 - [4] - Quote Divu Aakmin wrote: Just one mans opinion. Actually, that's CCP's opinion. I'm just repeating it because I agree with it. Divu Aakmin wrote: If #15 #16 receive 40-70k and #1 and #2 receives 250k to 350k that is quite a bit lop sided. You make that sound like a bad thing. Divu Aakmin wrote: This isnt capitalism either. There is no open market. 1. I specifically recall saying New Eden, not Dust 514. 2. Just because we don't have market control doesn't mean that it isn't capitalism. 3. We sell our services privately, and we're employed by private entities. If that isn't capitalistic, what is? What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage looks nicer.
Draco Cerberus BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 620	Posted - 2013.12.21 15:56:00 - [5] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Divu Aakmin wrote: Just one mans opinion. Actually, that's CCP's opinion. I'm just repeating it because I agree with it. Divu Aakmin wrote: If #15 #16 receive 40-70k and #1 and #2 receives 250k to 350k that is quite a bit lop sided. You make that sound like a bad thing. Divu Aakmin wrote: This isnt capitalism either. There is no open market. 1. I specifically recall saying New Eden, not Dust 514. 2. Just because we don't have market control doesn't mean that it isn't capitalism. 3. We sell our services privately, and we're employed by private entities. If that isn't capitalistic, what is? Actually, at the moment we are selling our services Publicly to whomever Scotty decides has a good contract. We have no control over what we charge to fight. That's not capitalism, it is slavery. Are CCP Amarran, I'm not a whipping boy or some evil master's slave! LogiGod earns his pips
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 850	Posted - 2013.12.21 16:00:00 - [6] - Quote Draco Cerberus wrote: Actually, at the moment we are selling our services Publicly to whomever Scotty decides has a good contract. We have no control over what we charge to fight. That's not capitalism, it is slavery. Are CCP Amarran, I'm not a whipping boy or some evil master's slave! 1. Planetary Conquest. It counts. 2. We can leave if we want to. 3. If we could charge what we wanted to for NPC contracts, it would definitely get exploited. Fact. What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage looks nicer.
Divu Aakmin UNIVERSAL BONDAGE 26	Posted - 2013.12.21 16:06:00 - [7] - Quote It is a bad thing. It doesnt attract a new player base... if i word of mouth sell this game to friends it's like this. "In the first month or two you will be beaten up pretty bad. After that it is a decent game..." that reveals a problem. I seriously cant belive you think AV players and new ppl deserve so little. I do fine in combat. No complaints there. I'm looking out for the new guy. Hardly comparable to eve where there are plenty of oportunities to pve income and enjoy the game. Not comparable at all really.
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 851	Posted - 2013.12.21 16:14:00 - [8] - Quote Divu Aakmin wrote: Hardly comparable to eve where there are plenty of oportunities to pve income and enjoy the game. That's right. Looks like you've found the real problem after all. There's no PvE! I've been saying this for months. Dust 514 needs PvE or new players won't be able to get adjusted. What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage looks nicer.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 238	Posted - 2013.12.21 16:26:00 - [9] - Quote Player market is going to give the wealthy players double the advantage so, I don't think its going to help at all in the form of 'balancing' the game
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 2510	Posted - 2013.12.21 20:01:00 - [10] - Quote Welfare! Fufufu! HellsGÇáorm, Director Bringing the Wrath of God down on the Matari since YC114

ReGnYuM Imperfects 1578	Posted - 2013.12.21 20:20:00 - [11] - Quote What can I say, these thumbs are worth billions of ISK Official Imperfect Title: Supreme Leader of the Endless Sunset I learned how to make Jewelry out of Matari Flesh
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 319	Posted - 2013.12.21 21:20:00 - [12] - Quote The only time I've ever made below 150k is when I get thrown into the match near the end And player market will help every one, vets will be selling below npc market value I will be buyimg it "May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace" - Second Corinthians chapter one verse two.
Divu Aakmin UNIVERSAL BONDAGE 27	Posted - 2013.12.21 21:40:00 - [13] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Divu Aakmin wrote: Hardly comparable to eve where there are plenty of oportunities to pve income and enjoy the game. That's right. Looks like you've found the real problem after all. There's no PvE! I've been saying this for months. Dust 514 needs PvE or new players won't be able to get adjusted. I'd go for that. I' m just thinking of all these brand new guys i get into pug squads that don' t know maps, weapons...etc. Lets face it , they are at a disadvantage several ways: resources, sp, equipment, experience vs. Player (when to run vs. Stand your ground or switch weap type) and map knowledge. Resources, sp and equipment do overlap a bit, but not entirely (ehp,hps,dps skills.) Resources seem the easiest to affect. I just put one idea out there. Any other ideas are welcome. I think we can at least agree on some of the above disadvantage. Some probably can't be helped. Others can be helped. Which ones and how?
Stephen Seneca State Patriots Templis De Novo 27	Posted - 2013.12.21 22:01:00 - [14] - Quote New Eden is not typically the cuddly kind of socialist utopia where money grows on trees and no one works for it. Personally, I look at this game as a challenge. The first few months of getting smacked around makes you a better player. Fighting for the Caldari makes you a better player. Learning how to survive without isk also makes you better with lesser gear. So instead of collecting your food stamps and welfare cheques get out there and fight back. For the State! Keep your stick on the ice and get the pucks in deep, eh. Rail Rifles. All. The. Way!
Divu Aakmin UNIVERSAL BONDAGE 27	Posted - 2013.12.21 22:03:00 - [15] - Quote Pure capitalism? No.. not even close. No diversified market, supply vs. demand, natural resources.... there is very little economic principal in this game at all. Well there is one, spend isk or aur and you will have an advantage. Undeniably true. That cannot be argued. If you need your isk crutch then disregard this thread.
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1320	Posted - 2013.12.21 22:03:00 - [16] - Quote So if I donate a million a year to some poor such would I be excluded from the ****? "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
Divu Aakmin UNIVERSAL BONDAGE 27	Posted - 2013.12.21 22:08:00 - [17] - Quote Stephen Seneca wrote: New Eden is not typically the cuddly kind of socialist utopia where money grows on trees and no one works for it. Personally, I look at this game as a challenge. The first few months of getting smacked around makes you a better player. Fighting for the Caldari makes you a better player. Learning how to survive without isk also makes you better with lesser gear. So instead of collecting your food stamps and welfare cheques get out there and fight back. Well the new players that don't agree with you won't reply... because they are playing battlefield4. The "welfare" title was an eyecatcher... 120+ views and i'd say it worked.
Divu Aakmin UNIVERSAL BONDAGE 27	Posted - 2013.12.21 22:11:00 - [18] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: So if I donate a million a year to some poor such would I be excluded from the ****? I am not even sure wtf you are trying to say. Did you actually read anything above or did you just want lay down some insult?
Stephen Seneca State Patriots Templis De Novo 27	Posted - 2013.12.21 22:14:00 - [19] - Quote 120 views, 1 like. Besides, the title caught my eye too. I just lost my 10 mil isk life savings fighting the Gallente since 1.7 came out. Dont fly what you cant afford to lose. Its an Eve thing and applies here as well. For the State! Keep your stick on the ice and get the pucks in deep, eh. Rail Rifles. All. The. Way!
Stephen Seneca State Patriots Templis De Novo 27	Posted - 2013.12.21 22:21:00 - [20] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: New Eden is a hypercapitalistic dystopia. What do you expect? In fact this quote earned more likes. So you saying "it worked" is a bit overboard. Its a novel idea, like communism, but in reality the people that work for their gains should expect to be in a better situation than those wanting handouts. There should be some help for newer players. Its called a frontline suit. There are also options like joining corps like Dust Uni to learn the ropes. For the State! Keep your stick on the ice and get the pucks in deep, eh. Rail Rifles. All. The. Way!

Divu Aakmin UNIVERSAL BONDAGE 27	Posted - 2013.12.21 22:27:00 - [21] - Quote .... you guys are dicks. Protostomping pub matches and 15mil sp ftw. You people are fkin stupid.
Stephen Seneca State Patriots Templis De Novo 27	Posted - 2013.12.21 22:46:00 - [22] - Quote Nice reply. I dont believe you posted a reasonable way to help out new players. You want to take away the isk earned by people who have been around longer/are better at the game. You also stated you want easy money. PvE and the open player market would help. I have stacks of proto Gal suits I cant wait to get out of my assets. So many of those Gastun weapons too. Does Universal Bondage do any training of new players or have an academy corp? I want a tough game because it is more rewarding when you find a niche or something you excel at. Trick is not getting frustrated when you have the odds stacked against you. For the State! Keep your stick on the ice and get the pucks in deep, eh. Rail Rifles. All. The. Way!
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 867	Posted - 2013.12.21 22:55:00 - [23] - Quote Divu Aakmin wrote: Pure capitalism? No.. not even close. No diversified market, supply vs. demand, natural resources.... there is very little economic principal in this game at all. It's true that there's almost no economy in Dust 514, the economy that IS there is totally capitalistic. Thus, it is purely capitalistic, because there are no opposing economic systems in it. What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage looks nicer.
Divu Aakmin UNIVERSAL BONDAGE 27	Posted - 2013.12.21 22:57:00 - [24] - Quote You didnt read other posts. We work with new players often. Editing angry post now.
Divu Aakmin UNIVERSAL BONDAGE 27	Posted - 2013.12.21 23:16:00 - [25] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Divu Aakmin wrote: Pure capitalism? No.. not even close. No diversified market, supply vs. demand, natural resources.... there is very little economic principal in this game at all. It's true that there's almost no economy in Dust 514, the economy that IS there is totally capitalistic. Thus, it is purely capitalistic, because there are no opposing economic systems in it. No opposing economy...? That is part of capitalism. Players do not affect the market too much. But that isnt this thread topic. New player experience/ disadvantage/ retention is the intention I doubt i am going to get much support because the ones who agree are playing something else. The try-hards are the typical forum warriors and are likely to overlook this as qq... I run std, adv and proto. I don't need isk. Some do. If you enjoy a challenge then we can level the playing field. If you are sympathetic with those who earned their advantage, do you think 5%-10% less on a match will hurt? People have been complaining about new player xp and proto stomping since launch... nothing new here.
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 867	Posted - 2013.12.21 23:24:00 - [26] - Quote Divu Aakmin wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: Divu Aakmin wrote: Pure capitalism? No.. not even close. No diversified market, supply vs. demand, natural resources.... there is very little economic principal in this game at all. It's true that there's almost no economy in Dust 514, the economy that IS there is totally capitalistic. Thus, it is purely capitalistic, because there are no opposing economic systems in it. No opposing economy...? No, an economic system =/= an economy. What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage looks nicer.
Divu Aakmin UNIVERSAL BONDAGE 27	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:17:00 - [27] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Divu Aakmin wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: Divu Aakmin wrote: Pure capitalism? No.. not even close. No diversified market, supply vs. demand, natural resources.... there is very little economic principal in this game at all. It's true that there's almost no economy in Dust 514, the economy that IS there is totally capitalistic. Thus, it is purely capitalistic, because there are no opposing economic systems in it. No opposing economy...? No, an economic system =/= an economy. Capitalism is an economy controlled by private owners. CCP decides payout and price of goods. Dust is no where near capitalism. Moving on...? New player experience is a gauntlet. Not a problem here. I'm not new.
Divu Aakmin UNIVERSAL BONDAGE 27	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:30:00 - [28] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: New Eden is a hypercapitalistic dystopia. What do you expect? You don't know what capitalism is.
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 440	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:35:00 - [29] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Divu Aakmin wrote: Just one mans opinion. Actually, that's CCP's opinion. I'm just repeating it because I agree with it. Divu Aakmin wrote: If #15 #16 receive 40-70k and #1 and #2 receives 250k to 350k that is quite a bit lop sided. You make that sound like a bad thing. Divu Aakmin wrote: This isnt capitalism either. There is no open market. 1. I specifically recall saying New Eden, not Dust 514. 2. Just because we don't have market control doesn't mean that it isn't capitalism. 3. We sell our services privately, and we're employed by private entities. If that isn't capitalistic, what is? Cable providers also sell private services. They are known mostly as monopolies along with the electric company. Without an open market it pretty much is a monopoly the only people providing goods and services are CCP.
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation 534	Posted - 2013.12.22 04:51:00 - [30] - Quote i have no interest in losing making less money by running cheap suits AND getting on top of leaderboards..



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