Blaster vs Tank > FG vs Tank
Blaster vs Infantry > FG vs Infantry


Your logic falls apart here

Depends on the tank, ive had 2 blaster tanks not even go through my shields where as a FG will rip through it

Also depends on the map, a FG can reach places a blaster cant

Your logic fails here

You realise this likely get worse when the minmatat autocannon is released, or the amarr wide beam laser turret.
Infantry need ways of combatting the threat more, we are talking things, like dilation grenades, webifiers, heat inducers that kinda thing.

Not really, I saw a shield tank eat up fire from 3 FG's, then a blaster came in and made toast from that tank.

Also, while true the FG has more range, the tank can close that distance, while the FG is fit on a slow suit that will take forever to close the distance.
It also can't chase the tank, something the blaster can do very well.

Great an opposite story

Tank can close the distance and die doing it

Blaster can chase but doesnt mean it will get the kill, will just die tired instead

Yes, if you chase in a straight line.
I can use rails and missiles slow turning speed to my advantage.

But of course, most tankers are a dumb breed.

I find it hilarious how infantry make toast from some of the veteran tankers.

In EVE large ships struggle to kill smaller ships because the large turrets are too slow to track the small, fast target. Meanwhile the small ship often can't kill the larger one because the larger one can repair faster than the smaller can do damage.

Sound familiar?

Vehicles should function in a somewhat analogous way. Turrets should have a hard time tracking small targets, and all weapons should get a resolution property so that they deal less damage to targets with a smaller signature radius than their scan resolution.

This would allow HAVs to serve a more tank like role, providing infantry support and the like. It would also mean that AV balanced to take out HAVs wouldn't necessarily be able to completely ruin lighter vehicles.

I've never been a fan of treating vehicles like double extra heavy dropsuits. They should have a completely different tactical role than dropsuits, and making it more difficult for either to kill the other would help with that.

So then AV isnt UP and hard

I fixed it.
I meant infantry in militia tanks make toast from some of the veteran tankers.

But i can do that with BPO suits

Get the drop on anyone and they are toast

You don't even need to get the drop on them.
They often have IQ of -5 and make the dumbest tactical moves possible.
It's not hard to outsmart them.

The current level of tank sustainability is, in my opinion, perfectly fine. You can now fit your tank to be a fragile, but powerful glass cannon or a highly defense-oriented mobile fortress designed to resist damage and keep you alive. A lot of players prefer the latter, giving rise to what infantry have termed unkillable tanks.

Whatever, it's a tank. If its owner has maximized the survivability of his rig and spent his SP appropriately, then who are you to complain? If we want the maximum defense possible, then your complaints about us being hard to kill mean we've done our job correctly.

Besides, Missile tanks are not going to rack up any obscene body counts. So what do you care if you can't swarm it to death?

And Rail tanks aren't going to rack up any obscene body counts either. So what do you care if you can't swarm it to death?

Also, Blaster tanks aren't going to...oh uh. Um...uh...

Yeah, about those Blaster tanks.

CCP, even with a lowly militia turret, blaster tanks are effective against infantry to the point of being a broken mechanic. Blaster tanks are average against other tanks but OBSCENELY POWERFUL against infantry. They stand no chance. It isn't fair in the slightest, and it isn't fun. If the driver sees you, you are dead, and that is that.

I hold no grudges against a rail gun or missile tank that kills me when I play infantry. That is proof of skill in the case of the rail gunner, and luck in the case of the missile tank. But Blasters are a different story entirely. By combining a tank's high defense with the most unbeatable infantry slayer in the game, it feels like nothing less than a cheap exploit, and it really needs to be looked at.

People are blindly calling for a nerf on tanks in general, when in fact, it is this very specific sort of tank (blasters) that is causing all the trouble. The blaster turret is problematic.

It is entirely too effective.

You know, this whole time I never even considered the fact that Blaster Turrets are hit-scan.

Better idea:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kwq3fLSpEw4#t=21

You see that? Increase the rate of fire, but keep the dynamic of slow-moving balls of plasma. This will have little to no detrimental effect on its ability to hit other vehicles, but will require better aim to kill infantry. Ideally, the splash damage would be fairly low, so firing at their feet wouldn't be an effective substitute.

Just give it a much wider dispersion past close range, so it's more of a suppression weapon vs infantry, yet still has enough accuracy to be used on vehicles.

Think like the HMG, but bigger

-5 thats pretty bad

I wonder where that puts AV then, -100?

Blaster vs Tank > FG vs Tank
Blaster vs Infantry > FG vs Infantry


Your logic falls apart here

You have thousands of HP, resistances, and hardneners. You can kill infantry waaaaay faster than they can kill you, and that is IF they can kill you at all considering how fast you can escape. Infantry can only hurt you if they make significant sacrifices in their anti-infantry capabilities, which makes themselves further vulnerable. You can pretend using a blaster tank is the same kind of tradeoff and say blasters are totally ineffective against railgun and missile tanks, but I've seen blaster tanks come out on top in a tank fight (my brother is a tanker). Don't pretend its somehow equivalent.

No one is saying tanks should never be able to effectively kill infantry, but ever thought there is such a thing as too effective?

That could be the autocannon tbh

True enough.

My only complaint with tanks, generally speaking, is militia tanks. Swarms and plasma cannons need more buffs still to make them useful AV options, but standard tanks are actually almost right where they need to be. Blasters are just a bit too good at what they do, which is kill both infantry and vehicles. They either need a reasonable decrease in effectiveness for one of those, or a slight decrease for both.

I think the same can be said of small missiles for dropships, but that's for another thread.

So basically, you still want vehicles on the nerf train.

No, I want a balanced game.

Unlike you, I actually look at the bigger picture, and not just what helps me personally

Shocking, I know.

LOL Infantry doesn't do that.

You want AV buffed, and tanks nerfed in some way. How is that any different?