DUST Search - Madrugars and Gunnlogis are just standard tanks?

Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:

iceyburnz wrote:

Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:

I was thinking about this the other day and even if they came out with proto tanks with this insane survivability, if they also introduced webs it wouldn't matter if it took you forever to the kill the tank if it can't move.

If it can't move it'll just stay there until it runs out of ammo. Once it runs out of ammo it's just dead in the water and useless.

This is perhaps the best and most damning point about the "new tanks"

They supposedly cleared away all the dross to build upon militia and standard tanks, but all they have done is make AV so weak (even pro to AV verses standard tanks) that there is literally no way they can introduce any other kinds of tank that people will actually use.

Instead of making it better they have (yet again) dug themselves into a corner.

There are other vehicles besides tanks in the game.

If you increase light weapon AV you make every one of these vehicles even more useless. That is unless you want to have LAVs and dropships with the survivability of tanks. At some point in time people are going to have to just accept that tanks are going to be a huge headache for infantry and instead of killing a tank disabling and suppression is the best option for light AV.

Let the heavy weapons deal with tanks. Lets the tanks deal with tanks. Let the tanker class get rejuvinated so we get the point where you don't have to worry about tanks because your own team has it's own tanks to keep them busy.

"We spent so much time huddling inside buildings with tanks circling outside like a swarm of sharks around bait"

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stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 590	Posted - 2013.12.19 20:19:00 - [1] - Quote So basically its gonna take 6-8 proto AV players if not more to take out a prototank?
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1236	Posted - 2013.12.19 20:21:00 - [2] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: So basically its gonna take 6-8 proto AV players to take out a prototank? Tanks have been buffed for the introduction of MTAC and Jet fighters, which will be here in 2017. Im sure dusts community of 5 players and associated dev alts will be thankful when they arrive. "We spent so much time huddling inside buildings with tanks circling outside like a swarm of sharks around bait"
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2350	Posted - 2013.12.19 20:22:00 - [3] - Quote I was thinking about this the other day and even if they came out with proto tanks with this insane survivability, if they also introduced webs it wouldn't matter if it took you forever to the kill the tank if it can't move. If it can't move it'll just stay there until it runs out of ammo. Once it runs out of ammo it's just dead in the water and useless. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Sgt Buttscratch 1215	Posted - 2013.12.19 20:23:00 - [4] - Quote If the were to introduce ADV and PRO tank chassis then the logical fix would be to give STD AV the stats of current PRO AV, and to reconfigure the ADV and PRO to a match the new tanks accordingly. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 2507	Posted - 2013.12.19 20:23:00 - [5] - Quote Only if you keep attacking when the tank isn't vulnerable. HellsGÇáorm, Director Bringing the Wrath of God down on the Matari since YC114
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 590	Posted - 2013.12.19 20:24:00 - [6] - Quote iceyburnz wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: So basically its gonna take 6-8 proto AV players to take out a prototank? Tanks have been buffed for the introduction of MTAC and Jet fighters, which will be here in 2017. Im sure dusts community of 5 players and associated dev alts will be thankful when they arrive. Honestly all the tankers who are defending the current Tank vs AV balance are either lying to themselves or haven't realized this, hell I only just realized it today when looking at the vehicle skills.
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1236	Posted - 2013.12.19 20:28:00 - [7] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: I was thinking about this the other day and even if they came out with proto tanks with this insane survivability, if they also introduced webs it wouldn't matter if it took you forever to the kill the tank if it can't move. If it can't move it'll just stay there until it runs out of ammo. Once it runs out of ammo it's just dead in the water and useless. This is perhaps the best and most damning point about the "new tanks" They supposedly cleared away all the dross to build upon militia and standard tanks, but all they have done is make AV so weak (even pro to AV verses standard tanks) that there is literally no way they can introduce any other kinds of tank that people will actually use. Instead of making it better they have (yet again) dug themselves into a corner. "We spent so much time huddling inside buildings with tanks circling outside like a swarm of sharks around bait"
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2350	Posted - 2013.12.19 20:31:00 - [8] - Quote iceyburnz wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: I was thinking about this the other day and even if they came out with proto tanks with this insane survivability, if they also introduced webs it wouldn't matter if it took you forever to the kill the tank if it can't move. If it can't move it'll just stay there until it runs out of ammo. Once it runs out of ammo it's just dead in the water and useless. This is perhaps the best and most damning point about the "new tanks" They supposedly cleared away all the dross to build upon militia and standard tanks, but all they have done is make AV so weak (even pro to AV verses standard tanks) that there is literally no way they can introduce any other kinds of tank that people will actually use. Instead of making it better they have (yet again) dug themselves into a corner. There are other vehicles besides tanks in the game. If you increase light weapon AV you make every one of these vehicles even more useless. That is unless you want to have LAVs and dropships with the survivability of tanks. At some point in time people are going to have to just accept that tanks are going to be a huge headache for infantry and instead of killing a tank disabling and suppression is the best option for light AV. Let the heavy weapons deal with tanks. Lets the tanks deal with tanks. Let the tanker class get rejuvinated so we get the point where you don't have to worry about tanks because your own team has it's own tanks to keep them busy. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1237	Posted - 2013.12.19 20:37:00 - [9] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: iceyburnz wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: I was thinking about this the other day and even if they came out with proto tanks with this insane survivability, if they also introduced webs it wouldn't matter if it took you forever to the kill the tank if it can't move. If it can't move it'll just stay there until it runs out of ammo. Once it runs out of ammo it's just dead in the water and useless. This is perhaps the best and most damning point about the "new tanks" They supposedly cleared away all the dross to build upon militia and standard tanks, but all they have done is make AV so weak (even pro to AV verses standard tanks) that there is literally no way they can introduce any other kinds of tank that people will actually use. Instead of making it better they have (yet again) dug themselves into a corner. There are other vehicles besides tanks in the game. If you increase light weapon AV you make every one of these vehicles even more useless. That is unless you want to have LAVs and dropships with the survivability of tanks. At some point in time people are going to have to just accept that tanks are going to be a huge headache for infantry and instead of killing a tank disabling and suppression is the best option for light AV. Let the heavy weapons deal with tanks. Lets the tanks deal with tanks. Let the tanker class get rejuvinated so we get the point where you don't have to worry about tanks because your own team has it's own tanks to keep them busy. I actually support the idea of infantry analogs as LAV turret weapons, stick a forge gun on an LAV, stick a swarm launcher on thier too, LAVS would become a high damage threat but would still be increadibly vulnerable. I by no way mean that LAV mounted forges, swarms and plasma cannons should be mounted on dropships or HAVS. "We spent so much time huddling inside buildings with tanks circling outside like a swarm of sharks around bait"
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2289	Posted - 2013.12.19 20:41:00 - [10] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: I was thinking about this the other day and even if they came out with proto tanks with this insane survivability, if they also introduced webs it wouldn't matter if it took you forever to the kill the tank if it can't move. If it can't move it'll just stay there until it runs out of ammo. Once it runs out of ammo it's just dead in the water and useless. Actually, I can see some sort of tactical use in that, similar to that of the Trojan War Horse. Trick AV into using the webifier to immobilize the tank, and then wait until their guard is down. Little do they know, that immobilized tank has a Mobile CRU inside spawning tons of infantry to slaughter all of the people who switched to AV. Holy Fudgenipples!!! MY HMG WORKS!!! IT ACTUALLY WORKS!!! \o/

CharCharOdell 1778	Posted - 2013.12.19 20:41:00 - [11] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: So basically its gonna take 6-8 proto AV players if not more to take out a prototank? I doubt it. Proto AV still rips tanks apart when the hardeners are off. Maybe if a tank fits an extra extender or plate, it'll survive one more shot or volley, but that's it. Proto tanks will only be able to engage more often than std. Won't be much tougher. Might see dual tanking more. I doubt they'll be that good except in the hands of really good tankers. In chrome, gunlogis, sicas, and sagaris' all died in 10 seconds if they weren't piloted by good tankers. They tankers made them powerful, not the tank. It needs to return to that. Gùñ-é-º+¼+ò+¦GÖÑ+ú+ú+¡ GÖÑ'Ðe+ü+üGùÑ Gùú -ä>-üð+++Ç++§<-¡<-¡ Gùó Speaker of the Mangrove / King of QQ / Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 594	Posted - 2013.12.19 20:42:00 - [12] - Quote On one of the loading screens CCP already has symbols for light, medium, and heavy ground and aerial vehicles. So they have yet to introduce medium ground vehicles, medium aerial vehicles, and heavy aerial vehicles.
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 290	Posted - 2013.12.19 20:43:00 - [13] - Quote Message from Godin: Why do people want PROTO HAV's in the first place? Tiercide, not add tiers.........
Eurydice Itzhak State Patriots Templis De Novo 263	Posted - 2013.12.19 20:44:00 - [14] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: So basically its gonna take 6-8 proto AV players if not more to take out a prototank? AV isn't meant as a sole means of taking out the bigger vehicles. The more you know!
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 594	Posted - 2013.12.19 20:45:00 - [15] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: Message from Godin: Why do people want PROTO HAV's in the first place? Tiercide, not add tiers......... I don't want proto HAV's, I just want be vehicle vs AV balance.
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 594	Posted - 2013.12.19 20:46:00 - [16] - Quote Eurydice Itzhak wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: So basically its gonna take 6-8 proto AV players if not more to take out a prototank? AV isn't meant as a sole means of taking out the bigger vehicles. The more you know! True but when tanks are the only viable way to take out other tanks whats the point of even having AV in the game?
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2289	Posted - 2013.12.19 20:46:00 - [17] - Quote Eurydice Itzhak wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: So basically its gonna take 6-8 proto AV players if not more to take out a prototank? AV isn't meant as a sole means of taking out the bigger vehicles. The more you know! So yet another person who didn't graduate Kindergarden huh? Holy Fudgenipples!!! MY HMG WORKS!!! IT ACTUALLY WORKS!!! \o/
Tch Tch Red Shirts Away Team 88	Posted - 2013.12.19 20:53:00 - [18] - Quote The LAV passenger should be able to fire at least their sidearm. If they could fire their main it would be fatties wouldn't even have to dismount and murder taxis would consist of the heavies driving up swapping seats and shooting up the on foot infantry. So at the moment we have several methods of taking out tanks. Railgun turrets either static or on tanks. The first tend to all get blown up by forge gunners and tanks to farm WP in the opening minutes. Forge Guns. Not really an option for a new player as they require a level 5 skill to unlock... You can use a MLT. They seem to be deadly in the right hands. They are essentially a waddling rail gun. Swarms, good for anti LAV duties or dropship ships that get to close to the ground. Only use by themselves against HAV is to get them to trigger their hardeners and hopefully back away. AV grenades. Have to be close and more of a deterent even to LAVs. Proximity mines ... If you know where they are going to park fine and even then they really only are triggers for a bunch of REs. REs... 3 bumper stickers can take out a tank. However their stickiness is variable and tanks seem to be transparent if moving or hardened. That and you have to be standing behind a tank or throwing half a dozen all over their chassis. Of course you can premount them on a jeep and play kiss chasey with a HAV. So plenty of options. Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3279	Posted - 2013.12.19 20:54:00 - [19] - Quote pretty much yeah. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
True Adamance Scions of Athra 5073	Posted - 2013.12.19 21:00:00 - [20] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: Message from Godin: Why do people want PROTO HAV's in the first place? Tiercide, not add tiers......... I don't want proto HAV's, I just want be vehicle vs AV balance. I want hyper expsensive HAV which I can run as Bane Blades....what's wrong with that. Halve the speed, increase the size by 2, give me an AoE demolisher cannon, and watch the map, or my 2-5 Million ISK tank burn. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK



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