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Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
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Posted - 2013.12.19 06:51:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:I agree Militia tanks need PG and CPU nerf, but think a (very) small HP nerf would be more appropriate than a speed nerf.
Also, there should be a nerf to the current PG and CPU level on Standard tanks, to make room for Advanced and maybe even Prototype models. ......thats why i can only fit a STD blaster............. On what? With what other modules? And with what skills backing that up? I went PRO for all 3 turrets, and on a Madrugar, I fit a STD blaster, STD NOS, STD scanner, and a complex repper and 2 complex hardeners. If resources get nerfed anymore for armor tanks, their viability will go way down.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
901
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Posted - 2013.12.19 06:52:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:CharCharOdell wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:You are easily popping "crap fits" and you want them nerfed. You belong in new Eden. What a guy I'm easily popping crap fits because I'm a very capable tanker in a very good fit. Proto AV isn't even denting militia tanks piloted by INFANTRYMAN. That is so wrong on so many levels and it is ruining the balance of the battlefield. I QQd for 7 months asking for tank buffs, but this is ridiculous. The day anyone could pilot a tank and do well is the day tanks stopped being cool and just a nuisance. At least in Chrome, you could go 40 and 0 in a tank, but you HAD to have a 2 million isk tank with 8 million SP in one kind of tank and be very very good with it (maybe 20 guys or so in the entire player base fit that description.) Therefore, tank stomps were a rarity...sicas/somas are the new 1.3 charybdis murder taxi...or 1.0 callogi TAR...or 1.6 gallogi duvolle. They're too easy to be good with. I want balance in battle. By that, I mean perfect imbalance. mlt tanks and assault CRs are the only bothersome things now. We are SO close to having a GREAT game but these issues are plaguing it. so buff av LOL Of course you need that crutch back.
do you even read? A big bad tanker feels sorry for infantry. But he wants the mlt tanks that pop him to be nerfed in reality. I tank just fine and ignore AV. I hunt in a gunlogi, its op.
Watch my back does not mean look at my spine.
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1523
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Posted - 2013.12.19 06:53:00 -
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Darken-Sol wrote:CharCharOdell wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:CharCharOdell wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:You are easily popping "crap fits" and you want them nerfed. You belong in new Eden. What a guy I'm easily popping crap fits because I'm a very capable tanker in a very good fit. Proto AV isn't even denting militia tanks piloted by INFANTRYMAN. That is so wrong on so many levels and it is ruining the balance of the battlefield. I QQd for 7 months asking for tank buffs, but this is ridiculous. The day anyone could pilot a tank and do well is the day tanks stopped being cool and just a nuisance. At least in Chrome, you could go 40 and 0 in a tank, but you HAD to have a 2 million isk tank with 8 million SP in one kind of tank and be very very good with it (maybe 20 guys or so in the entire player base fit that description.) Therefore, tank stomps were a rarity...sicas/somas are the new 1.3 charybdis murder taxi...or 1.0 callogi TAR...or 1.6 gallogi duvolle. They're too easy to be good with. I want balance in battle. By that, I mean perfect imbalance. mlt tanks and assault CRs are the only bothersome things now. We are SO close to having a GREAT game but these issues are plaguing it. so buff av wrong answer. AV is good where it is. A proto swarm or forge can 2-3 shot a very well built tank with hardeners off which is what i would call 'working as intended'. It would also make dropships even worse. That solution is what made all vehicles UP in 1.0-1.6 and brought us here in the first place. AV currently requires tactics to kill good tanks, but they SHOULD be able to kill mlt tanks much more easily. Nerfing the PG/CPU and speed on mlt tanks ONLY is a more elegant solution than would stop the mlt tank spam immediately. They cant be as weak as they were in 1.0-1.6, but they need to be somewhere between 1.6 and 1.7 so they aren't running rampant. Honestly, how many games in a row do you see 4-6 WELL FIT tanks-- zero. On the other hand, you see that many 80-100k isk tanks every match because they're too good. if you are that good you could survive the 150 dmg they took away from FG. You know the Nerf to AV nades was too much. Swarms are trickier. The tracking on swarms should stay locked on until you have to reload. Breaking line of sight would break lock. Why are you complaining about the crutch? Have you ever tried tanking?
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1523
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Posted - 2013.12.19 06:54:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:So you want to nerf tanks again? Haven't they suffered enough? I want low-tier tanks nerfed VERY VVVVVVEEEEERRRRRYYYYY SLIGHTLY in conjunction with the release of higher-tier tanks that will be STRONGER than what we currently have. Feel free to call that a nerf if you really want to. But that's exactly it, it's a nerf. If you're lowering something on it, that lowers its capabilities, hence it's a nerf. So if they made a new super-proto Forge Gun with 120% of the DPS capabilities of the current Forge Guns, but increase Proto Forge charge time by 7%, Advance by 5% and Standard/MLT by 3%, that would nerf Forge Guns, even though the top-end model would now be STRONGER THAN ANY CURRENT FORGE GUN IN THE GAME? Yep. Logic! Yes, the specific current models of HAV we have now would be nerfed, but only by a REALLY REALLY SMALL AMOUNT, and HAVs as a whole would NOT be nerfed because we'd have USE FOR OUR HIGH-END SKILLS WHICH CURRENTLY DO PRECISELY NOTHING, and we'd be able to create BETTER HAVS THAN WE CURRENTLY HAVE. I have no idea what you're talking about.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1523
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Posted - 2013.12.19 06:55:00 -
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Darken-Sol wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:CharCharOdell wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:You are easily popping "crap fits" and you want them nerfed. You belong in new Eden. What a guy I'm easily popping crap fits because I'm a very capable tanker in a very good fit. Proto AV isn't even denting militia tanks piloted by INFANTRYMAN. That is so wrong on so many levels and it is ruining the balance of the battlefield. I QQd for 7 months asking for tank buffs, but this is ridiculous. The day anyone could pilot a tank and do well is the day tanks stopped being cool and just a nuisance. At least in Chrome, you could go 40 and 0 in a tank, but you HAD to have a 2 million isk tank with 8 million SP in one kind of tank and be very very good with it (maybe 20 guys or so in the entire player base fit that description.) Therefore, tank stomps were a rarity...sicas/somas are the new 1.3 charybdis murder taxi...or 1.0 callogi TAR...or 1.6 gallogi duvolle. They're too easy to be good with. I want balance in battle. By that, I mean perfect imbalance. mlt tanks and assault CRs are the only bothersome things now. We are SO close to having a GREAT game but these issues are plaguing it. so buff av LOL Of course you need that crutch back. do you even read? A big bad tanker feels sorry for infantry. But he wants the mlt tanks that pop him to be nerfed in reality. I tank just fine and ignore AV. I hunt in a gunlogi, its op. LOL If you had a tank, you wouldn't complain about the AV crutch.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
955
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Posted - 2013.12.19 06:56:00 -
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Excuse me. But why is everyone assuming there will be proto vehicles? Where is the source for this information?
Yes there is a HAV op skill that goes to level 5. In EVE you do not get prototype hulls, but you do get a ship operation skill that gives you a bonus for every level. Higher levels also unlock the next tier of ships and specialized variants with tradeoffs.
Doesnt matter in Dust 514: PC. FW Standing. Tanking Type. Other mods than DMG or HP.
Does matter in Dust 514: Rifles.
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1523
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Posted - 2013.12.19 07:02:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:Excuse me. But why is everyone assuming there will be proto vehicles? Where is the source for this information?
Yes there is a HAV op skill that goes to level 5. In EVE you do not get prototype hulls, but you do get a ship operation skill that gives you a bonus for every level. Higher levels also unlock the next tier of ships and specialized variants with tradeoffs.
We're hoping there will be PRO vehicles, because there's PRO dropsuits.
Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
4239
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Posted - 2013.12.19 07:02:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:Excuse me. But why is everyone assuming there will be proto vehicles? Where is the source for this information?
Yes there is a HAV op skill that goes to level 5. In EVE you do not get prototype hulls, but you do get a ship operation skill that gives you a bonus for every level. Higher levels also unlock the next tier of ships and specialized variants with tradeoffs.
Nobody's assuming that.
I've made a suggestion that IF and WHEN we get Advanced and/or Proto hulls, the current Standard HAV hulls should have slightly reduced capabilities to allow for the upgraded models to feel better without being horrendously OP, and Spkr is demonstrating his level of intelligence trying to argue that having better tanks than anything that currently exists would somehow be a nerf to tanking.
No, we don't have Advanced or Prototype HAVs, and we don't have confirmation that they're coming. We have a hypothetical discussion of how to make them worthwhile and balanced, and we have people who can't process basic English arguing against a proposed "nerf" because of their own failure at basic reading comprehension. |
CharCharOdell
1746
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Posted - 2013.12.19 07:19:00 -
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Darken-Sol wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:CharCharOdell wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:You are easily popping "crap fits" and you want them nerfed. You belong in new Eden. What a guy I'm easily popping crap fits because I'm a very capable tanker in a very good fit. Proto AV isn't even denting militia tanks piloted by INFANTRYMAN. That is so wrong on so many levels and it is ruining the balance of the battlefield. I QQd for 7 months asking for tank buffs, but this is ridiculous. The day anyone could pilot a tank and do well is the day tanks stopped being cool and just a nuisance. At least in Chrome, you could go 40 and 0 in a tank, but you HAD to have a 2 million isk tank with 8 million SP in one kind of tank and be very very good with it (maybe 20 guys or so in the entire player base fit that description.) Therefore, tank stomps were a rarity...sicas/somas are the new 1.3 charybdis murder taxi...or 1.0 callogi TAR...or 1.6 gallogi duvolle. They're too easy to be good with. I want balance in battle. By that, I mean perfect imbalance. mlt tanks and assault CRs are the only bothersome things now. We are SO close to having a GREAT game but these issues are plaguing it. so buff av LOL Of course you need that crutch back. do you even read? A big bad tanker feels sorry for infantry. But he wants the mlt tanks that pop him to be nerfed in reality. I tank just fine and ignore AV. I hunt in a gunlogi, its op.
you didn't even read the OP, obviously. I'm making 400k per round farming mlt tanks. If you think I have any trouble hunting tanks, then you have no idea who I am, then again, I haven't been high profile since Chrome when the only tankers who could beat me were in the same corp as I was...but you wouldn't know what corp that was or who they were, either, I assume. On average, I kill 4-8 tanks/battle and MAYBE lose one to a foolhardy excursion through the red line to chase down a retreating newberry tank. Anyone who thinks they can take me 1 v 1 is welcome to try. Bob is still the only tanker who can match me in a fair duel and its been that way since I hopped into my Sagaris and earned the title "King of QQ"...but you wouldn't know about that either.
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Speaker of the Mangrove / King of QQ / Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
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True Adamance
Scions of Athra
5059
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Posted - 2013.12.19 07:21:00 -
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CharCharOdell wrote:i have yet to see on of the true tankers running 4-man tank squads like people claim. No. I see 4-5 man militia tank squads who stomp infantry with crap fits, but when a real tanker shows up (myself), they somehow all explode in about 5 minutes.
Stop blaming 'tankers' for tank spam. It's the non-tankers running crap mlt fits that cost 80k spamming it just like the free lavs of 1.3
I assure you, bring your best tank buddy into a game with you and he'll make all the other 'tankers' wish they just ran infantry.
Killing infantry is way too easy for me, so i run tanks to kill these blasphemers who dont deserve to run my favorite toys.
Sicas and somas need a huge nerf. Fully upgrade complex/proto tanks SHOULD be as powerful as they are, but these milita toys are the reason there is so much tank spam. Nerf their speed by 18% and their pg/cpu by 30% and you'll see a huge drop in tank spam.
And no, im not biased because I am a tanker. I want to see balance. Do that and nerf the assault CR about 5% for DPS and this game will be in great shape.
Here is my average game:
I call in my tank and other blues call in 3 others. Enemy calls in 4 tanks. 2/3 blue tanks die to AV/jihad jeeps in the first 5 minutes. I kill 4/4 enemy tanks in the first 8 minutes. Enemy calls in 4 more tanks. Those tanks are killed by me again. Enemy calls in lavs...bolases explode and lavs explode before reaching the ground.
No more tanks in the field except me. Stopping tank spam in a battle is as easy as having 1 true tanker on your team to help you. Newbes pretending to be tankers and stomping infantry stand no chance against season vets, Honey Badgers, if you will, like myself and a short list of others who we all probably know by now from the forums and in game.
Words from the Tank God hisself.
I shall slay the false Tankers with joy!
To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi.
Reference = ISK
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1523
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Posted - 2013.12.19 07:34:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:Excuse me. But why is everyone assuming there will be proto vehicles? Where is the source for this information?
Yes there is a HAV op skill that goes to level 5. In EVE you do not get prototype hulls, but you do get a ship operation skill that gives you a bonus for every level. Higher levels also unlock the next tier of ships and specialized variants with tradeoffs.
Nobody's assuming that. I've made a suggestion that IF and WHEN we get Advanced and/or Proto hulls, the current Standard HAV hulls should have slightly reduced capabilities to allow for the upgraded models to feel better without being horrendously OP, and Spkr is demonstrating his level of intelligence trying to argue that having better tanks than anything that currently exists would somehow be a nerf to tanking. No, we don't have Advanced or Prototype HAVs, and we don't have confirmation that they're coming. We have a hypothetical discussion of how to make them worthwhile and balanced, and we have people who can't process basic English arguing against a proposed "nerf" because of their own failure at basic reading comprehension. LOL are you daft? I'm using colloquialisms from other countries.
Nowhere did I say that. I said reducing resources is a nerf. I never said that introducing better hulls would nerf STD.
What are you on?
Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
4239
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Posted - 2013.12.19 08:06:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:LOL are you daft? I'm using colloquialisms from other countries.
Nowhere did I say that. I said reducing resources is a nerf. I never said that introducing better hulls would nerf STD.
What are you on? I proposed a VERY SMALL nerf to current tanks IN CONJUNCTION WITH adding a new tier above Standard.
You argued against my suggestion of adding a new tier of tanks and said it would be a nerf to tanks.
Pretty sure I'm not the daft one here. |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
972
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Posted - 2013.12.19 08:53:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:CharCharOdell wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:I agree Militia tanks need PG and CPU nerf, but think a (very) small HP nerf would be more appropriate than a speed nerf.
Also, there should be a nerf to the current PG and CPU level on Standard tanks, to make room for Advanced and maybe even Prototype models. Disagree. STD tanks are fine. PRO tanks won't even be that much more powerful. The fact that PRO tanks won't be much more powerful is WHY they need toning down. There should be a decent incentive for tankers to upgrade. I don't think it needs much, just a small PG and CPU reduction so you don't see almost full Proto fits on Standard hulls. At the moment, that's reasonable because there ARE no Advanced and Proto hulls, but when there are, things need to be dialed back a little. I dont think there will be PROTO tanks that are just straight upgrades, atleast this was my impression why they did the tank rebalancing in that way. proto tanks will most likely be specialized tanks like black ops or whatever, otherwise the tank rebalance would not make alot of sense imho, why would you then bring MLT tanks up almost on par with STD tanks?
what is off is the risk vs balance. the cost for a MLT tank is not in proportion with the effectiveness but instead of nerfing their effectiveness I would just increase the ISK cost and slightly buff the AV weaponry. there is a reason why everyone tries to kill tanks with suicide LAVs and other tanks, the other options are not as effective.
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Lorhak Gannarsein
773
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Posted - 2013.12.19 09:19:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:CharCharOdell wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:I agree Militia tanks need PG and CPU nerf, but think a (very) small HP nerf would be more appropriate than a speed nerf.
Also, there should be a nerf to the current PG and CPU level on Standard tanks, to make room for Advanced and maybe even Prototype models. Disagree. STD tanks are fine. PRO tanks won't even be that much more powerful. The fact that PRO tanks won't be much more powerful is WHY they need toning down. There should be a decent incentive for tankers to upgrade. I don't think it needs much, just a small PG and CPU reduction so you don't see almost full Proto fits on Standard hulls. At the moment, that's reasonable because there ARE no Advanced and Proto hulls, but when there are, things need to be dialed back a little. I dont think there will be PROTO tanks that are just straight upgrades, atleast this was my impression why they did the tank rebalancing in that way. proto tanks will most likely be specialized tanks like black ops or whatever, otherwise the tank rebalance would not make alot of sense imho, why would you then bring MLT tanks up almost on par with STD tanks? what is off is the risk vs balance. the cost for a MLT tank is not in proportion with the effectiveness but instead of nerfing their effectiveness I would just increase the ISK cost and slightly buff the AV weaponry. there is a reason why everyone tries to kill tanks with suicide LAVs and other tanks, the other options are not as effective.
I thought the reverse, honestly. It seems like they're bringing tanks into line with infantry (in a tiering sense, at least) which implied tanks that are direct improvements like infantry have. After all, an MLT dropsuit is comparable to an STD drop suit in the same way that an MLT tank is comparable to an STD tank.
For sure MLT tanks need something done; I would probably go with a combination of both fitting nerf, hull price increase across the board (so for STD tanks too) and also removing the default turret, or even fittings, from the MLT tanks. Again, just like Dropsuits.
EDIT: to clarify my position on potential PRO tanks, the fact that they cut slots down to 3 suggested that to me, considering that apparently CCP hard-coded a total slot count of five into the game, allowing potentially a primary slot increase for each tier up to prototype.
>Cosgar: You know, tanks are actually paper thin once their modules are in cooldown.
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Ferocitan
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men.
93
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Posted - 2013.12.19 09:42:00 -
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I doubt it would be a bad thing to be able use a "saga II" with lvl 5 Lav in the future. Nor would it be hard to picture a "Madrugar II" further into the future with 20% more basic resist and a tad more cpu/pg and 1 more slot.
Old time Dust players know what the saga II was better version than saga tho just a normal LAV without any skill bonuses like the basic model. |
pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES
1440
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Posted - 2013.12.19 09:44:00 -
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CharCharOdell wrote:i have yet to see on of the true tankers running 4-man tank squads like people claim. No. I see 4-5 man militia tank squads who stomp infantry with crap fits, but when a real tanker shows up (myself), they somehow all explode in about 5 minutes.
Stop blaming 'tankers' for tank spam. It's the non-tankers running crap mlt fits that cost 80k spamming it just like the free lavs of 1.3
I assure you, bring your best tank buddy into a game with you and he'll make all the other 'tankers' wish they just ran infantry.
Killing infantry is way too easy for me, so i run tanks to kill these blasphemers who dont deserve to run my favorite toys.
Sicas and somas need a huge nerf. Fully upgrade complex/proto tanks SHOULD be as powerful as they are, but these milita toys are the reason there is so much tank spam. Nerf their speed by 18% and their pg/cpu by 30% and you'll see a huge drop in tank spam.
And no, im not biased because I am a tanker. I want to see balance. Do that and nerf the assault CR about 5% for DPS and this game will be in great shape.
Here is my average game:
I call in my tank and other blues call in 3 others. Enemy calls in 4 tanks. 2/3 blue tanks die to AV/jihad jeeps in the first 5 minutes. I kill 4/4 enemy tanks in the first 8 minutes. Enemy calls in 4 more tanks. Those tanks are killed by me again. Enemy calls in lavs...bolases explode and lavs explode before reaching the ground.
No more tanks in the field except me. Stopping tank spam in a battle is as easy as having 1 true tanker on your team to help you. Newbes pretending to be tankers and stomping infantry stand no chance against season vets, Honey Badgers, if you will, like myself and a short list of others who we all probably know by now from the forums and in game.
Im having similar experiences myself char.. its pretty funny how the mlt tank spam is ended by the presense of a reall tanker lol
Its gone from suck .....to blow
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Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
905
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Posted - 2013.12.19 09:52:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:CharCharOdell wrote:i have yet to see on of the true tankers running 4-man tank squads like people claim. No. I see 4-5 man militia tank squads who stomp infantry with crap fits, but when a real tanker shows up (myself), they somehow all explode in about 5 minutes.
Stop blaming 'tankers' for tank spam. It's the non-tankers running crap mlt fits that cost 80k spamming it just like the free lavs of 1.3
I assure you, bring your best tank buddy into a game with you and he'll make all the other 'tankers' wish they just ran infantry.
Killing infantry is way too easy for me, so i run tanks to kill these blasphemers who dont deserve to run my favorite toys.
Sicas and somas need a huge nerf. Fully upgrade complex/proto tanks SHOULD be as powerful as they are, but these milita toys are the reason there is so much tank spam. Nerf their speed by 18% and their pg/cpu by 30% and you'll see a huge drop in tank spam.
And no, im not biased because I am a tanker. I want to see balance. Do that and nerf the assault CR about 5% for DPS and this game will be in great shape.
Here is my average game:
I call in my tank and other blues call in 3 others. Enemy calls in 4 tanks. 2/3 blue tanks die to AV/jihad jeeps in the first 5 minutes. I kill 4/4 enemy tanks in the first 8 minutes. Enemy calls in 4 more tanks. Those tanks are killed by me again. Enemy calls in lavs...bolases explode and lavs explode before reaching the ground.
No more tanks in the field except me. Stopping tank spam in a battle is as easy as having 1 true tanker on your team to help you. Newbes pretending to be tankers and stomping infantry stand no chance against season vets, Honey Badgers, if you will, like myself and a short list of others who we all probably know by now from the forums and in game. Im having similar experiences myself char.. its pretty funny how the mlt tank spam is ended by the presense of a reall tanker lol
or a ca rail gun.
Watch my back does not mean look at my spine.
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pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES
1441
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Posted - 2013.12.19 10:29:00 -
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Darken-Sol wrote:pegasis prime wrote:CharCharOdell wrote:i have yet to see on of the true tankers running 4-man tank squads like people claim. No. I see 4-5 man militia tank squads who stomp infantry with crap fits, but when a real tanker shows up (myself), they somehow all explode in about 5 minutes.
Stop blaming 'tankers' for tank spam. It's the non-tankers running crap mlt fits that cost 80k spamming it just like the free lavs of 1.3
I assure you, bring your best tank buddy into a game with you and he'll make all the other 'tankers' wish they just ran infantry.
Killing infantry is way too easy for me, so i run tanks to kill these blasphemers who dont deserve to run my favorite toys.
Sicas and somas need a huge nerf. Fully upgrade complex/proto tanks SHOULD be as powerful as they are, but these milita toys are the reason there is so much tank spam. Nerf their speed by 18% and their pg/cpu by 30% and you'll see a huge drop in tank spam.
And no, im not biased because I am a tanker. I want to see balance. Do that and nerf the assault CR about 5% for DPS and this game will be in great shape.
Here is my average game:
I call in my tank and other blues call in 3 others. Enemy calls in 4 tanks. 2/3 blue tanks die to AV/jihad jeeps in the first 5 minutes. I kill 4/4 enemy tanks in the first 8 minutes. Enemy calls in 4 more tanks. Those tanks are killed by me again. Enemy calls in lavs...bolases explode and lavs explode before reaching the ground.
No more tanks in the field except me. Stopping tank spam in a battle is as easy as having 1 true tanker on your team to help you. Newbes pretending to be tankers and stomping infantry stand no chance against season vets, Honey Badgers, if you will, like myself and a short list of others who we all probably know by now from the forums and in game. Im having similar experiences myself char.. its pretty funny how the mlt tank spam is ended by the presense of a reall tanker lol or a ca rail gun.
lol *pegasis - Darken look out that's a rail in front of us
Darken- yea I got this
pegasis- no its looking right at us
Darken - its cool I just got to take care of this missile turr......boom ca rail gun -(Darken sol) ca rail gun -(pegasis prime) pegasis - hahahahahahahahhahah
Darken - hahahahahahahahaaha
Its gone from suck .....to blow
level 1 forum warrior
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NAV HIV
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
633
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Posted - 2013.12.19 14:28:00 -
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CharCharOdell wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:CharCharOdell wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:You are easily popping "crap fits" and you want them nerfed. You belong in new Eden. What a guy I'm easily popping crap fits because I'm a very capable tanker in a very good fit. Proto AV isn't even denting militia tanks piloted by INFANTRYMAN. That is so wrong on so many levels and it is ruining the balance of the battlefield. I QQd for 7 months asking for tank buffs, but this is ridiculous. The day anyone could pilot a tank and do well is the day tanks stopped being cool and just a nuisance. At least in Chrome, you could go 40 and 0 in a tank, but you HAD to have a 2 million isk tank with 8 million SP in one kind of tank and be very very good with it (maybe 20 guys or so in the entire player base fit that description.) Therefore, tank stomps were a rarity...sicas/somas are the new 1.3 charybdis murder taxi...or 1.0 callogi TAR...or 1.6 gallogi duvolle. They're too easy to be good with. I want balance in battle. By that, I mean perfect imbalance. mlt tanks and assault CRs are the only bothersome things now. We are SO close to having a GREAT game but these issues are plaguing it. so buff av wrong answer. AV is good where it is. A proto swarm or forge can 2-3 shot a very well built tank with hardeners off which is what i would call 'working as intended'. It would also make dropships even worse. That solution is what made all vehicles UP in 1.0-1.6 and brought us here in the first place. AV currently requires tactics to kill good tanks, but they SHOULD be able to kill mlt tanks much more easily. Nerfing the PG/CPU and speed on mlt tanks ONLY is a more elegant solution than would stop the mlt tank spam immediately. They cant be as weak as they were in 1.0-1.6, but they need to be somewhere between 1.6 and 1.7 so they aren't running rampant. Honestly, how many games in a row do you see 4-6 WELL FIT tanks-- zero. On the other hand, you see that many 80-100k isk tanks every match because they're too good.
Seriously. you are just full of ****. The same way most people here trying to balance stuff. Wyrkomi (Full prof + 3 damage mods)+ lai dai vs mlt tank = mlt tanks win 4 out of 5 itmes lol .... tanks would be fine if it was a madrugar or gunlogi even with a decent fit. Let me remind you that's few million SP best AV vs 50K mlt tank.... So facepalm for every one that says tank vs Av is balanced right now. Lmfao |
Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.19 14:42:00 -
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lol, there is a crazy amount of militia tank spam. It's not just tanks, its militia tanks. Reminds me of the days of infinite free militia tanks when nobody had AV , except now they move as fast a lav :\ |
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NAV HIV
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.19 14:45:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:lol, there is a crazy amount of militia tank spam. It's not just tanks, its militia tanks. Reminds me of the days of infinite free militia tanks when nobody had AV , except now they move as fast a lav :\
Shhh in the name of Balance lol |
Cymek Omnius
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.19 15:04:00 -
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CharCharOdell wrote:i have yet to see on of the true tankers running 4-man tank squads like people claim. No. I see 4-5 man militia tank squads who stomp infantry with crap fits, but when a real tanker shows up (myself), they somehow all explode in about 5 minutes.
Stop blaming 'tankers' for tank spam. It's the non-tankers running crap mlt fits that cost 80k spamming it just like the free lavs of 1.3
I assure you, bring your best tank buddy into a game with you and he'll make all the other 'tankers' wish they just ran infantry.
Killing infantry is way too easy for me, so i run tanks to kill these blasphemers who dont deserve to run my favorite toys.
Sicas and somas need a huge nerf. Fully upgrade complex/proto tanks SHOULD be as powerful as they are, but these milita toys are the reason there is so much tank spam. Nerf their speed by 18% and their pg/cpu by 30% and you'll see a huge drop in tank spam.
And no, im not biased because I am a tanker. I want to see balance. Do that and nerf the assault CR about 5% for DPS and this game will be in great shape.
Here is my average game:
I call in my tank and other blues call in 3 others. Enemy calls in 4 tanks. 2/3 blue tanks die to AV/jihad jeeps in the first 5 minutes. I kill 4/4 enemy tanks in the first 8 minutes. Enemy calls in 4 more tanks. Those tanks are killed by me again. Enemy calls in lavs...bolases explode and lavs explode before reaching the ground.
No more tanks in the field except me. Stopping tank spam in a battle is as easy as having 1 true tanker on your team to help you. Newbes pretending to be tankers and stomping infantry stand no chance against season vets, Honey Badgers, if you will, like myself and a short list of others who we all probably know by now from the forums and in game.
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knight of 6
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.19 15:12:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:I agree Militia tanks need PG and CPU nerf, but think a (very) small HP nerf would be more appropriate than a speed nerf.
Also, there should be a nerf to the current PG and CPU level on Standard tanks, to make room for Advanced and maybe even Prototype models. wait till we have tanks at those tiers before you nerf the current model to make room. otherwise i agree. and I would even go so far as a pg buff in the mean time cause I can't fit small guns anymore.
"God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon
Ko6, scout, tanker.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.12.19 15:13:00 -
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Tanks should be for tankers.
This coming from a dropship pilot.
Nerf the **** out of militia tanks, or raise the price, or both.
HAVs are almost perfect right now. They could probably use a slight increase in the price of there frame from 100k to 250k but that's about it. Swarms need some love now, and the plasma cannon could use some added effectiveness vs vehicles.
If it weren't for this militia tank garbage, tank balance would actually almost be achieved right now.
Fix militia tanks, fix TANK 514
Vids / O7
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.12.19 15:17:00 -
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The true tankers aren't stomping now, but what happens when the MLT tanks go and they have nothing better to do?
Tank 514. That's what.
Holy Fudgenipples!!!
MY HMG WORKS!!! IT ACTUALLY WORKS!!!
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
1987
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Posted - 2013.12.19 15:36:00 -
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Proto tanks will be the same as the suits tbh
Increase in slots and PG/CPU with the same base HP stats most likely
As for militia tanks they need dropping a bit, against proper tanks they are still nothing, even a proper tanks vs 2-3 militia can still drop em but if the militia tanks get the drop on you then you maybe dead
Point is militia tanks are alot better to use now, for anyone wanting to go into tanks militia is a very good start while they still grind SP, are they too good or is AV too stupid? its both but even then nerfing militia may help but then they could easily just skill into proper tanks and continue to use militia stuff
Intelligence is OP
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Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.19 16:01:00 -
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CharCharOdell wrote:i have yet to see on of the true tankers running 4-man tank squads like people claim. No. I see 4-5 man militia tank squads who stomp infantry with crap fits, but when a real tanker shows up (myself), they somehow all explode in about 5 minutes.
Stop blaming 'tankers' for tank spam. It's the non-tankers running crap mlt fits that cost 80k spamming it just like the free lavs of 1.3
I assure you, bring your best tank buddy into a game with you and he'll make all the other 'tankers' wish they just ran infantry.
Killing infantry is way too easy for me, so i run tanks to kill these blasphemers who dont deserve to run my favorite toys.
Sicas and somas need a huge nerf. Fully upgrade complex/proto tanks SHOULD be as powerful as they are, but these milita toys are the reason there is so much tank spam. Nerf their speed by 18% and their pg/cpu by 30% and you'll see a huge drop in tank spam.
And no, im not biased because I am a tanker. I want to see balance. Do that and nerf the assault CR about 5% for DPS and this game will be in great shape.
Here is my average game:
I call in my tank and other blues call in 3 others. Enemy calls in 4 tanks. 2/3 blue tanks die to AV/jihad jeeps in the first 5 minutes. I kill 4/4 enemy tanks in the first 8 minutes. Enemy calls in 4 more tanks. Those tanks are killed by me again. Enemy calls in lavs...bolases explode and lavs explode before reaching the ground.
No more tanks in the field except me. Stopping tank spam in a battle is as easy as having 1 true tanker on your team to help you. Newbes pretending to be tankers and stomping infantry stand no chance against season vets, Honey Badgers, if you will, like myself and a short list of others who we all probably know by now from the forums and in game.
Yeah, you can really tell the actual tankers from the scrubs running milita.
It is your brothers and sisters in arms, the infantry, that are to blame! (and the cheap price of a milia HAV)
Nuff Said
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
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Posted - 2013.12.19 16:25:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Proto tanks will be the same as the suits tbh
Increase in slots and PG/CPU with the same base HP stats most likely
As for militia tanks they need dropping a bit, against proper tanks they are still nothing, even a proper tanks vs 2-3 militia can still drop em but if the militia tanks get the drop on you then you maybe dead
Point is militia tanks are alot better to use now, for anyone wanting to go into tanks militia is a very good start while they still grind SP, are they too good or is AV too stupid? its both but even then nerfing militia may help but then they could easily just skill into proper tanks and continue to use militia stuff We all know AV is too stupid.
Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
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CharCharOdell
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Posted - 2013.12.19 19:37:00 -
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Atiim wrote:The true tankers aren't stomping now, but what happens when the MLT tanks go and they have nothing better to do?
Tank 514. That's what.
All 20 of us can cause tank 514? Assuming all of us were online at peak hours, we would make up <1% of the players online. Then all of us would need to find eachother and make a squad so there would be 3 tank squads...and that'd be it.
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
678
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Posted - 2013.12.19 19:45:00 -
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Massive nerf to millitia tanks Price increase for normal tanks Done |
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