On what? With what other modules? And with what skills backing that up?

LOL Of course you need that crutch back.

if you are that good you could survive the 150 dmg they took away from FG. You know the Nerf to AV nades was too much. Swarms are trickier. The tracking on swarms should stay locked on until you have to reload. Breaking line of sight would break lock.

So if they made a new super-proto Forge Gun with 120% of the DPS capabilities of the current Forge Guns, but increase Proto Forge charge time by 7%, Advance by 5% and Standard/MLT by 3%, that would nerf Forge Guns, even though the top-end model would now be STRONGER THAN ANY CURRENT FORGE GUN IN THE GAME?

Yep. Logic!

Yes, the specific current models of HAV we have now would be nerfed, but only by a REALLY REALLY SMALL AMOUNT, and HAVs as a whole would NOT be nerfed because we'd have USE FOR OUR HIGH-END SKILLS WHICH CURRENTLY DO PRECISELY NOTHING, and we'd be able to create BETTER HAVS THAN WE CURRENTLY HAVE.

do you even read? A big bad tanker feels sorry for infantry. But he wants the mlt tanks that pop him to be nerfed in reality. I tank just fine and ignore AV. I hunt in a gunlogi, its op.

Excuse me. But why is everyone assuming there will be proto vehicles? Where is the source for this information?

Yes there is a HAV op skill that goes to level 5. In EVE you do not get prototype hulls, but you do get a ship operation skill that gives you a bonus for every level. Higher levels also unlock the next tier of ships and specialized variants with tradeoffs.

Excuse me. But why is everyone assuming there will be proto vehicles? Where is the source for this information?

Yes there is a HAV op skill that goes to level 5. In EVE you do not get prototype hulls, but you do get a ship operation skill that gives you a bonus for every level. Higher levels also unlock the next tier of ships and specialized variants with tradeoffs.

do you even read? A big bad tanker feels sorry for infantry. But he wants the mlt tanks that pop him to be nerfed in reality. I tank just fine and ignore AV. I hunt in a gunlogi, its op.

i have yet to see on of the true tankers running 4-man tank squads like people claim. No. I see 4-5 man militia tank squads who stomp infantry with crap fits, but when a real tanker shows up (myself), they somehow all explode in about 5 minutes.

Stop blaming 'tankers' for tank spam. It's the non-tankers running crap mlt fits that cost 80k spamming it just like the free lavs of 1.3

I assure you, bring your best tank buddy into a game with you and he'll make all the other 'tankers' wish they just ran infantry.

Killing infantry is way too easy for me, so i run tanks to kill these blasphemers who dont deserve to run my favorite toys.

Sicas and somas need a huge nerf. Fully upgrade complex/proto tanks SHOULD be as powerful as they are, but these milita toys are the reason there is so much tank spam. Nerf their speed by 18% and their pg/cpu by 30% and you'll see a huge drop in tank spam.

And no, im not biased because I am a tanker. I want to see balance. Do that and nerf the assault CR about 5% for DPS and this game will be in great shape.




Here is my average game:

I call in my tank and other blues call in 3 others. Enemy calls in 4 tanks.
2/3 blue tanks die to AV/jihad jeeps in the first 5 minutes.
I kill 4/4 enemy tanks in the first 8 minutes.
Enemy calls in 4 more tanks.
Those tanks are killed by me again.
Enemy calls in lavs...bolases explode and lavs explode before reaching the ground.

No more tanks in the field except me. Stopping tank spam in a battle is as easy as having 1 true tanker on your team to help you. Newbes pretending to be tankers and stomping infantry stand no chance against season vets, Honey Badgers, if you will, like myself and a short list of others who we all probably know by now from the forums and in game.

Nobody's assuming that.

I've made a suggestion that IF and WHEN we get Advanced and/or Proto hulls, the current Standard HAV hulls should have slightly reduced capabilities to allow for the upgraded models to feel better without being horrendously OP, and Spkr is demonstrating his level of intelligence trying to argue that having better tanks than anything that currently exists would somehow be a nerf to tanking.

No, we don't have Advanced or Prototype HAVs, and we don't have confirmation that they're coming. We have a hypothetical discussion of how to make them worthwhile and balanced, and we have people who can't process basic English arguing against a proposed "nerf" because of their own failure at basic reading comprehension.

LOL are you daft? I'm using colloquialisms from other countries.

Nowhere did I say that. I said reducing resources is a nerf. I never said that introducing better hulls would nerf STD.

What are you on?

The fact that PRO tanks won't be much more powerful is WHY they need toning down.

There should be a decent incentive for tankers to upgrade. I don't think it needs much, just a small PG and CPU reduction so you don't see almost full Proto fits on Standard hulls. At the moment, that's reasonable because there ARE no Advanced and Proto hulls, but when there are, things need to be dialed back a little.

I dont think there will be PROTO tanks that are just straight upgrades, atleast this was my impression why they did the tank rebalancing in that way. proto tanks will most likely be specialized tanks like black ops or whatever, otherwise the tank rebalance would not make alot of sense imho, why would you then bring MLT tanks up almost on par with STD tanks?

what is off is the risk vs balance. the cost for a MLT tank is not in proportion with the effectiveness but instead of nerfing their effectiveness I would just increase the ISK cost and slightly buff the AV weaponry. there is a reason why everyone tries to kill tanks with suicide LAVs and other tanks, the other options are not as effective.

i have yet to see on of the true tankers running 4-man tank squads like people claim. No. I see 4-5 man militia tank squads who stomp infantry with crap fits, but when a real tanker shows up (myself), they somehow all explode in about 5 minutes.

Stop blaming 'tankers' for tank spam. It's the non-tankers running crap mlt fits that cost 80k spamming it just like the free lavs of 1.3

I assure you, bring your best tank buddy into a game with you and he'll make all the other 'tankers' wish they just ran infantry.

Killing infantry is way too easy for me, so i run tanks to kill these blasphemers who dont deserve to run my favorite toys.

Sicas and somas need a huge nerf. Fully upgrade complex/proto tanks SHOULD be as powerful as they are, but these milita toys are the reason there is so much tank spam. Nerf their speed by 18% and their pg/cpu by 30% and you'll see a huge drop in tank spam.

And no, im not biased because I am a tanker. I want to see balance. Do that and nerf the assault CR about 5% for DPS and this game will be in great shape.




Here is my average game:

I call in my tank and other blues call in 3 others. Enemy calls in 4 tanks.
2/3 blue tanks die to AV/jihad jeeps in the first 5 minutes.
I kill 4/4 enemy tanks in the first 8 minutes.
Enemy calls in 4 more tanks.
Those tanks are killed by me again.
Enemy calls in lavs...bolases explode and lavs explode before reaching the ground.

No more tanks in the field except me. Stopping tank spam in a battle is as easy as having 1 true tanker on your team to help you. Newbes pretending to be tankers and stomping infantry stand no chance against season vets, Honey Badgers, if you will, like myself and a short list of others who we all probably know by now from the forums and in game.

Im having similar experiences myself char.. its pretty funny how the mlt tank spam is ended by the presense of a reall tanker lol

or a ca rail gun.

wrong answer. AV is good where it is. A proto swarm or forge can 2-3 shot a very well built tank with hardeners off which is what i would call 'working as intended'. It would also make dropships even worse.

That solution is what made all vehicles UP in 1.0-1.6 and brought us here in the first place.

AV currently requires tactics to kill good tanks, but they SHOULD be able to kill mlt tanks much more easily. Nerfing the PG/CPU and speed on mlt tanks ONLY is a more elegant solution than would stop the mlt tank spam immediately. They cant be as weak as they were in 1.0-1.6, but they need to be somewhere between 1.6 and 1.7 so they aren't running rampant. Honestly, how many games in a row do you see 4-6 WELL FIT tanks-- zero. On the other hand, you see that many 80-100k isk tanks every match because they're too good.

lol, there is a crazy amount of militia tank spam. It's not just tanks, its militia tanks. Reminds me of the days of infinite free militia tanks when nobody had AV , except now they move as fast a lav :\

i have yet to see on of the true tankers running 4-man tank squads like people claim. No. I see 4-5 man militia tank squads who stomp infantry with crap fits, but when a real tanker shows up (myself), they somehow all explode in about 5 minutes.

Stop blaming 'tankers' for tank spam. It's the non-tankers running crap mlt fits that cost 80k spamming it just like the free lavs of 1.3

I assure you, bring your best tank buddy into a game with you and he'll make all the other 'tankers' wish they just ran infantry.

Killing infantry is way too easy for me, so i run tanks to kill these blasphemers who dont deserve to run my favorite toys.

Sicas and somas need a huge nerf. Fully upgrade complex/proto tanks SHOULD be as powerful as they are, but these milita toys are the reason there is so much tank spam. Nerf their speed by 18% and their pg/cpu by 30% and you'll see a huge drop in tank spam.

And no, im not biased because I am a tanker. I want to see balance. Do that and nerf the assault CR about 5% for DPS and this game will be in great shape.




Here is my average game:

I call in my tank and other blues call in 3 others. Enemy calls in 4 tanks.
2/3 blue tanks die to AV/jihad jeeps in the first 5 minutes.
I kill 4/4 enemy tanks in the first 8 minutes.
Enemy calls in 4 more tanks.
Those tanks are killed by me again.
Enemy calls in lavs...bolases explode and lavs explode before reaching the ground.

No more tanks in the field except me. Stopping tank spam in a battle is as easy as having 1 true tanker on your team to help you. Newbes pretending to be tankers and stomping infantry stand no chance against season vets, Honey Badgers, if you will, like myself and a short list of others who we all probably know by now from the forums and in game.

I agree Militia tanks need PG and CPU nerf, but think a (very) small HP nerf would be more appropriate than a speed nerf.

Also, there should be a nerf to the current PG and CPU level on Standard tanks, to make room for Advanced and maybe even Prototype models.

i have yet to see on of the true tankers running 4-man tank squads like people claim. No. I see 4-5 man militia tank squads who stomp infantry with crap fits, but when a real tanker shows up (myself), they somehow all explode in about 5 minutes.

Stop blaming 'tankers' for tank spam. It's the non-tankers running crap mlt fits that cost 80k spamming it just like the free lavs of 1.3

I assure you, bring your best tank buddy into a game with you and he'll make all the other 'tankers' wish they just ran infantry.

Killing infantry is way too easy for me, so i run tanks to kill these blasphemers who dont deserve to run my favorite toys.

Sicas and somas need a huge nerf. Fully upgrade complex/proto tanks SHOULD be as powerful as they are, but these milita toys are the reason there is so much tank spam. Nerf their speed by 18% and their pg/cpu by 30% and you'll see a huge drop in tank spam.

And no, im not biased because I am a tanker. I want to see balance. Do that and nerf the assault CR about 5% for DPS and this game will be in great shape.




Here is my average game:

I call in my tank and other blues call in 3 others. Enemy calls in 4 tanks.
2/3 blue tanks die to AV/jihad jeeps in the first 5 minutes.
I kill 4/4 enemy tanks in the first 8 minutes.
Enemy calls in 4 more tanks.
Those tanks are killed by me again.
Enemy calls in lavs...bolases explode and lavs explode before reaching the ground.

No more tanks in the field except me. Stopping tank spam in a battle is as easy as having 1 true tanker on your team to help you. Newbes pretending to be tankers and stomping infantry stand no chance against season vets, Honey Badgers, if you will, like myself and a short list of others who we all probably know by now from the forums and in game.

Proto tanks will be the same as the suits tbh

Increase in slots and PG/CPU with the same base HP stats most likely

As for militia tanks they need dropping a bit, against proper tanks they are still nothing, even a proper tanks vs 2-3 militia can still drop em but if the militia tanks get the drop on you then you maybe dead

Point is militia tanks are alot better to use now, for anyone wanting to go into tanks militia is a very good start while they still grind SP, are they too good or is AV too stupid? its both but even then nerfing militia may help but then they could easily just skill into proper tanks and continue to use militia stuff

The true tankers aren't stomping now, but what happens when the MLT tanks go and they have nothing better to do?

Tank 514. That's what.