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Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.12.19 06:33:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:CharCharOdell wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:I agree Militia tanks need PG and CPU nerf, but think a (very) small HP nerf would be more appropriate than a speed nerf.
Also, there should be a nerf to the current PG and CPU level on Standard tanks, to make room for Advanced and maybe even Prototype models. Disagree. STD tanks are fine. PRO tanks won't even be that much more powerful. The fact that PRO tanks won't be much more powerful is WHY they need toning down. There should be a decent incentive for tankers to upgrade. I don't think it needs much, just a small PG and CPU reduction so you don't see almost full Proto fits on Standard hulls. At the moment, that's reasonable because there ARE no Advanced and Proto hulls, but when there are, things need to be dialed back a little.
So you want to nerf tanks again? Haven't they suffered enough?
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Posted - 2013.12.19 06:45:00 -
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Darken-Sol wrote:CharCharOdell wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:You are easily popping "crap fits" and you want them nerfed. You belong in new Eden. What a guy I'm easily popping crap fits because I'm a very capable tanker in a very good fit. Proto AV isn't even denting militia tanks piloted by INFANTRYMAN. That is so wrong on so many levels and it is ruining the balance of the battlefield. I QQd for 7 months asking for tank buffs, but this is ridiculous. The day anyone could pilot a tank and do well is the day tanks stopped being cool and just a nuisance. At least in Chrome, you could go 40 and 0 in a tank, but you HAD to have a 2 million isk tank with 8 million SP in one kind of tank and be very very good with it (maybe 20 guys or so in the entire player base fit that description.) Therefore, tank stomps were a rarity...sicas/somas are the new 1.3 charybdis murder taxi...or 1.0 callogi TAR...or 1.6 gallogi duvolle. They're too easy to be good with. I want balance in battle. By that, I mean perfect imbalance. mlt tanks and assault CRs are the only bothersome things now. We are SO close to having a GREAT game but these issues are plaguing it. so buff av
LOL Of course you need that crutch back.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.12.19 06:46:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:So you want to nerf tanks again? Haven't they suffered enough? I want low-tier tanks nerfed VERY VVVVVVEEEEERRRRRYYYYY SLIGHTLY in conjunction with the release of higher-tier tanks that will be STRONGER than what we currently have. Feel free to call that a nerf if you really want to.
But that's exactly it, it's a nerf. If you're lowering something on it, that lowers its capabilities, hence it's a nerf.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Posted - 2013.12.19 06:49:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:My sica rail fit would own you...
I stomp tanks all day with this ****... Except when they spam :(
I still 2-shot you.
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Posted - 2013.12.19 06:50:00 -
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ladwar wrote:there will never be proto tanks or even advanced ones.
Infantry decrees it, and it is so.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Posted - 2013.12.19 06:51:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:I agree Militia tanks need PG and CPU nerf, but think a (very) small HP nerf would be more appropriate than a speed nerf.
Also, there should be a nerf to the current PG and CPU level on Standard tanks, to make room for Advanced and maybe even Prototype models. ......thats why i can only fit a STD blaster............. On what? With what other modules? And with what skills backing that up?
I went PRO for all 3 turrets, and on a Madrugar, I fit a STD blaster, STD NOS, STD scanner, and a complex repper and 2 complex hardeners. If resources get nerfed anymore for armor tanks, their viability will go way down.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Posted - 2013.12.19 06:53:00 -
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Darken-Sol wrote:CharCharOdell wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:CharCharOdell wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:You are easily popping "crap fits" and you want them nerfed. You belong in new Eden. What a guy I'm easily popping crap fits because I'm a very capable tanker in a very good fit. Proto AV isn't even denting militia tanks piloted by INFANTRYMAN. That is so wrong on so many levels and it is ruining the balance of the battlefield. I QQd for 7 months asking for tank buffs, but this is ridiculous. The day anyone could pilot a tank and do well is the day tanks stopped being cool and just a nuisance. At least in Chrome, you could go 40 and 0 in a tank, but you HAD to have a 2 million isk tank with 8 million SP in one kind of tank and be very very good with it (maybe 20 guys or so in the entire player base fit that description.) Therefore, tank stomps were a rarity...sicas/somas are the new 1.3 charybdis murder taxi...or 1.0 callogi TAR...or 1.6 gallogi duvolle. They're too easy to be good with. I want balance in battle. By that, I mean perfect imbalance. mlt tanks and assault CRs are the only bothersome things now. We are SO close to having a GREAT game but these issues are plaguing it. so buff av wrong answer. AV is good where it is. A proto swarm or forge can 2-3 shot a very well built tank with hardeners off which is what i would call 'working as intended'. It would also make dropships even worse. That solution is what made all vehicles UP in 1.0-1.6 and brought us here in the first place. AV currently requires tactics to kill good tanks, but they SHOULD be able to kill mlt tanks much more easily. Nerfing the PG/CPU and speed on mlt tanks ONLY is a more elegant solution than would stop the mlt tank spam immediately. They cant be as weak as they were in 1.0-1.6, but they need to be somewhere between 1.6 and 1.7 so they aren't running rampant. Honestly, how many games in a row do you see 4-6 WELL FIT tanks-- zero. On the other hand, you see that many 80-100k isk tanks every match because they're too good. if you are that good you could survive the 150 dmg they took away from FG. You know the Nerf to AV nades was too much. Swarms are trickier. The tracking on swarms should stay locked on until you have to reload. Breaking line of sight would break lock.
Why are you complaining about the crutch? Have you ever tried tanking?
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Posted - 2013.12.19 06:54:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:So you want to nerf tanks again? Haven't they suffered enough? I want low-tier tanks nerfed VERY VVVVVVEEEEERRRRRYYYYY SLIGHTLY in conjunction with the release of higher-tier tanks that will be STRONGER than what we currently have. Feel free to call that a nerf if you really want to. But that's exactly it, it's a nerf. If you're lowering something on it, that lowers its capabilities, hence it's a nerf. So if they made a new super-proto Forge Gun with 120% of the DPS capabilities of the current Forge Guns, but increase Proto Forge charge time by 7%, Advance by 5% and Standard/MLT by 3%, that would nerf Forge Guns, even though the top-end model would now be STRONGER THAN ANY CURRENT FORGE GUN IN THE GAME? Yep. Logic! Yes, the specific current models of HAV we have now would be nerfed, but only by a REALLY REALLY SMALL AMOUNT, and HAVs as a whole would NOT be nerfed because we'd have USE FOR OUR HIGH-END SKILLS WHICH CURRENTLY DO PRECISELY NOTHING, and we'd be able to create BETTER HAVS THAN WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.12.19 06:55:00 -
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Darken-Sol wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:CharCharOdell wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:You are easily popping "crap fits" and you want them nerfed. You belong in new Eden. What a guy I'm easily popping crap fits because I'm a very capable tanker in a very good fit. Proto AV isn't even denting militia tanks piloted by INFANTRYMAN. That is so wrong on so many levels and it is ruining the balance of the battlefield. I QQd for 7 months asking for tank buffs, but this is ridiculous. The day anyone could pilot a tank and do well is the day tanks stopped being cool and just a nuisance. At least in Chrome, you could go 40 and 0 in a tank, but you HAD to have a 2 million isk tank with 8 million SP in one kind of tank and be very very good with it (maybe 20 guys or so in the entire player base fit that description.) Therefore, tank stomps were a rarity...sicas/somas are the new 1.3 charybdis murder taxi...or 1.0 callogi TAR...or 1.6 gallogi duvolle. They're too easy to be good with. I want balance in battle. By that, I mean perfect imbalance. mlt tanks and assault CRs are the only bothersome things now. We are SO close to having a GREAT game but these issues are plaguing it. so buff av LOL Of course you need that crutch back. do you even read? A big bad tanker feels sorry for infantry. But he wants the mlt tanks that pop him to be nerfed in reality. I tank just fine and ignore AV. I hunt in a gunlogi, its op.
LOL If you had a tank, you wouldn't complain about the AV crutch.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Posted - 2013.12.19 07:02:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:Excuse me. But why is everyone assuming there will be proto vehicles? Where is the source for this information?
Yes there is a HAV op skill that goes to level 5. In EVE you do not get prototype hulls, but you do get a ship operation skill that gives you a bonus for every level. Higher levels also unlock the next tier of ships and specialized variants with tradeoffs.
We're hoping there will be PRO vehicles, because there's PRO dropsuits.
Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
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Posted - 2013.12.19 07:34:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:Excuse me. But why is everyone assuming there will be proto vehicles? Where is the source for this information?
Yes there is a HAV op skill that goes to level 5. In EVE you do not get prototype hulls, but you do get a ship operation skill that gives you a bonus for every level. Higher levels also unlock the next tier of ships and specialized variants with tradeoffs.
Nobody's assuming that. I've made a suggestion that IF and WHEN we get Advanced and/or Proto hulls, the current Standard HAV hulls should have slightly reduced capabilities to allow for the upgraded models to feel better without being horrendously OP, and Spkr is demonstrating his level of intelligence trying to argue that having better tanks than anything that currently exists would somehow be a nerf to tanking. No, we don't have Advanced or Prototype HAVs, and we don't have confirmation that they're coming. We have a hypothetical discussion of how to make them worthwhile and balanced, and we have people who can't process basic English arguing against a proposed "nerf" because of their own failure at basic reading comprehension.
LOL are you daft? I'm using colloquialisms from other countries.
Nowhere did I say that. I said reducing resources is a nerf. I never said that introducing better hulls would nerf STD.
What are you on?
Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
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Posted - 2013.12.19 16:25:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Proto tanks will be the same as the suits tbh
Increase in slots and PG/CPU with the same base HP stats most likely
As for militia tanks they need dropping a bit, against proper tanks they are still nothing, even a proper tanks vs 2-3 militia can still drop em but if the militia tanks get the drop on you then you maybe dead
Point is militia tanks are alot better to use now, for anyone wanting to go into tanks militia is a very good start while they still grind SP, are they too good or is AV too stupid? its both but even then nerfing militia may help but then they could easily just skill into proper tanks and continue to use militia stuff
We all know AV is too stupid.
Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
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