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pegasis prime
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Posted - 2013.12.18 16:22:00 -
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Before I give you my suggestion I have been thinking and reading allot on these forums and have read some interesting suggestions, one of the most interesting was what if the current vehicle balance is just testing what the effects of a fully maxed out pilot suit will be in a fully maxed HAV. This got me thinking ... what if here's the shocker we get a medium frame AV suit that say has designated bonuses related to that particular factions AV weaponry.
i.e. generivc AV bonus +2% to sidearm clip and damage per level ( this would help dedicated AV stand a chance against infantry.
Caldari AV fit bonus- =3% damage to missiles per level.
Gallente -- + 1 to hybrid av weponary clip size per level ( this would make the plasma cannon viable)
Ammar - ?????
Minimatar-????
you get my drift... this would not only balance vehicle warfair but also give av a chance when fighting infantry. This is all just a thought and needs/warrents discussion before posting in feedback/requests.
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Ghosts Chance
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Posted - 2013.12.18 16:29:00 -
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was that my post you read?
i agreee though there needs to be an AV subclass for medium frames |
pegasis prime
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Posted - 2013.12.18 16:46:00 -
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id like some dedicated AVers opinions on this as it really could balance things out quite nicely
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Slag Emberforge
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Posted - 2013.12.18 17:26:00 -
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Heavy suit should have a AV bonus rolled in as it appears that it's primary role is either full AV or point defense (which also usually requires AV!)
Just a thought, I do like the idea though. |
pegasis prime
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Posted - 2013.12.18 17:29:00 -
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Slag Emberforge wrote:Heavy suit should have a AV bonus rolled in as it appears that it's primary role is either full AV or point defense (which also usually requires AV!)
Just a thought, I do like the idea though.
the heavy bonus is directed towards the ammar heavy weaponry coming SOONtm
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pegasis prime
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Posted - 2013.12.18 20:32:00 -
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Bump for discussion
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Magnus Amadeuss
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Posted - 2013.12.18 20:42:00 -
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Oh I think this is actually a wonderfull way to go about it.
See I would not have much of a problem with AV (swarms in particular) in it's current form if there was a suit that had bonuses specifically for it to bring the damage up to a decent level.
I think that is just good game design, and this thought should be mirrored across all of the suits present and future.
You think you are badass... try solo'ing in amarr FW.
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pegasis prime
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Posted - 2013.12.18 20:45:00 -
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Magnus Amadeuss wrote:Oh I think this is actually a wonderfull way to go about it.
See I would not have much of a problem with AV (swarms in particular) in it's current form if there was a suit that had bonuses specifically for it to bring the damage up to a decent level.
I think that is just good game design, and this thought should be mirrored across all of the suits present and future.
In response to your sig. Dude I solo in cal faction and now have levle 3 standings and only 5 wins till levke 4
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2013.12.18 20:48:00 -
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I made a similar thread to the one you referenced.
Regardless, I would actually prefer a Heavy Frame that is more suited to offense, with additional heavy AV weapons such as a Heavy Laser. I still stand by the concept that Heavies should be the king of AV.
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Pvt Numnutz
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Posted - 2013.12.18 20:58:00 -
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Sure, I'm okay with having dedicated av. I would only be concerned if CCP upped base swarm damage in a patch and then suddenly I'm being one shorted out of the sky by proto swarms. Otherwise this idea is good! |
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Draken Rha'l
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Posted - 2013.12.18 21:11:00 -
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any smart squad can chomp a tank, So stop being blueberries and start squading, you do not just get more ISK,WP but a chance to call orbitals in. |
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Posted - 2013.12.18 21:38:00 -
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Draken Rha'l wrote:any smart squad can chomp a tank, So stop being blueberries and start squading, you do not just get more ISK,WP but a chance to call orbitals in.
Dude read the thread then read it again. Then look at any of my othet posts ... then you have my permission to feel stupit you ******* moron .. audults are talking here so just be a good little boy and sit in the corner quietly eating paste.
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2013.12.18 22:02:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:Draken Rha'l wrote:any smart squad can chomp a tank, So stop being blueberries and start squading, you do not just get more ISK,WP but a chance to call orbitals in. Dude read the thread then read it again. Then look at any of my othet posts ... then you have my permission to feel stupit you ******* moron .. audults are talking here so just be a good little boy and sit in the corner quietly eating paste.
Wow, good job at being an ass for no good reason.
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Posted - 2013.12.19 09:37:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:pegasis prime wrote:Draken Rha'l wrote:any smart squad can chomp a tank, So stop being blueberries and start squading, you do not just get more ISK,WP but a chance to call orbitals in. Dude read the thread then read it again. Then look at any of my othet posts ... then you have my permission to feel stupit you ******* moron .. audults are talking here so just be a good little boy and sit in the corner quietly eating paste. Wow, good job at being an ass for no good reason.
Lol im being an ass because it is obvious that this conversation went strait over the head of Draken here and even though it did he still felt compleled to infest this thread with his brain farts.
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Justicar Karnellia
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Posted - 2013.12.19 09:43:00 -
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One of the valid arguments of the "pro-tank" argument is that there is a major disparity in the skill required to become "AV" and the skill required to drive in a tank (I'm excluding militia tanks from this)... at the moment, all it takes to dub yourself AV is to skill a few points into one of the two weapons that have an AV capacity -> forge gun and swarm launcher (calm yourselves, I know it's ineffective, it's just for the sake of argument). If there was an AV suit that gave specific bonuses to AV weapons or had some other kind of bonus, as in damage to vehicles or invisibility to vehicle scanners, etc. This would require people who wanted to balance out the AV to be able to solo a tank would require a comparable investment to those who drive tanks.
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Korvin Lomont
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Posted - 2013.12.19 09:52:00 -
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I like it it would fit the sandbox by defining "classes through role bonusses" about the bonusses hmm I don't know how to find good bonusses with only 3 AV weapons in the game.
Given the current choice we have they seem reasonable. 3% damage boost to missile based weaponry is very good for caldari the +1 clipsize I don't know this is more a PLC bonus as we don't know what other (light) hybrid AV weapons will come out... I quite like the sidearm bonus it covers the main weakness of current AV... |
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Posted - 2013.12.19 09:57:00 -
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Korvin Lomont wrote:I like it it would fit the sandbox by defining "classes through role bonusses" about the bonusses hmm I don't know how to find good bonusses with only 3 AV weapons in the game.
Given the current choice we have they seem reasonable. 3% damage boost to missile based weaponry is very good for caldari the +1 clipsize I don't know this is more a PLC bonus as we don't know what other (light) hybrid AV weapons will come out... I quite like the sidearm bonus it covers the main weakness of current AV...
The plasma cannon was origenally ment to be the gallente light av wepon but not many folks use it for its intended purpose so I thought the extra rounds in the clip would bring it to whare it should be. And the side arm bonus should help keep dedicated avera happy when it comes to defending themselves.
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Posted - 2013.12.19 10:18:00 -
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Right now, I'm liking the idea...
For example. You have your specific Vehicle for certain situations, I would have my specific AV Dropsuit. Amarr could bonuses to Forges perhaps? Minmatar bonus to AV grenades perhaps? Just coming with stuff off the top of my head. . .
It would make AV a skillset and more of a primary role on the battlefield.
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pegasis prime
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Posted - 2013.12.19 10:23:00 -
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8213 wrote:Right now, I'm liking the idea...
For example. You have your specific Vehicle for certain situations, I would have my specific AV Dropsuit. Amarr could bonuses to Forges perhaps? Minmatar bonus to AV grenades perhaps? Just coming with stuff off the top of my head. . .
It would make AV a skillset and more of a primary role on the battlefield.
the problem with giving the ammar bonus to forges is this is for a medium frame av suit, as we only have the gallente and caldari light av wepons we should focus on them and when CCP releases the ammar and minimitar light av wepons we could have them factord into their specific av suits.
the Ammar sentinel bonus will make more sence when the ammar heavy wepons are released .
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Korvin Lomont
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Posted - 2013.12.19 10:39:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:Korvin Lomont wrote:I like it it would fit the sandbox by defining "classes through role bonusses" about the bonusses hmm I don't know how to find good bonusses with only 3 AV weapons in the game.
Given the current choice we have they seem reasonable. 3% damage boost to missile based weaponry is very good for caldari the +1 clipsize I don't know this is more a PLC bonus as we don't know what other (light) hybrid AV weapons will come out... I quite like the sidearm bonus it covers the main weakness of current AV... The plasma cannon was origenally ment to be the gallente light av wepon but not many folks use it for its intended purpose so I thought the extra rounds in the clip would bring it to whare it should be. And the side arm bonus should help keep dedicated avera happy when it comes to defending themselves.
Yeah I know the PLC was announced as light AV weapon, but its not clear from its desricption and the way it works. Currently its more a giant on shot massdriver ;/.
Don't get me wrong the bonus will work for the PLC but if you compare the bonus to the caldari one the caldari is much more general and will help even for any missile weapon apart the SL. So whenever CCP decides to introduce another Hybrid AV weapon your bonus may not work well... |
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Posted - 2013.12.19 10:56:00 -
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Korvin Lomont wrote:pegasis prime wrote:Korvin Lomont wrote:I like it it would fit the sandbox by defining "classes through role bonusses" about the bonusses hmm I don't know how to find good bonusses with only 3 AV weapons in the game.
Given the current choice we have they seem reasonable. 3% damage boost to missile based weaponry is very good for caldari the +1 clipsize I don't know this is more a PLC bonus as we don't know what other (light) hybrid AV weapons will come out... I quite like the sidearm bonus it covers the main weakness of current AV... The plasma cannon was origenally ment to be the gallente light av wepon but not many folks use it for its intended purpose so I thought the extra rounds in the clip would bring it to whare it should be. And the side arm bonus should help keep dedicated avera happy when it comes to defending themselves. Yeah I know the PLC was announced as light AV weapon, but its not clear from its desricption and the way it works. Currently its more a giant on shot massdriver ;/. Don't get me wrong the bonus will work for the PLC but if you compare the bonus to the caldari one the caldari is much more general and will help even for any missile weapon apart the SL. So whenever CCP decides to introduce another Hybrid AV weapon your bonus may not work well...
hrm you do make a good point but I definitely think the gallentte av suit should have a bonus geared towards hybrid weaponry, what about a hybrid weaponry reload speed bonus say 20% per level ? as it would suit the gallente primary choice of hybrid weaponry and their attack philosophy of hit hard and fast.
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Korvin Lomont
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Posted - 2013.12.19 12:50:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:Korvin Lomont wrote:pegasis prime wrote:Korvin Lomont wrote:I like it it would fit the sandbox by defining "classes through role bonusses" about the bonusses hmm I don't know how to find good bonusses with only 3 AV weapons in the game.
Given the current choice we have they seem reasonable. 3% damage boost to missile based weaponry is very good for caldari the +1 clipsize I don't know this is more a PLC bonus as we don't know what other (light) hybrid AV weapons will come out... I quite like the sidearm bonus it covers the main weakness of current AV... The plasma cannon was origenally ment to be the gallente light av wepon but not many folks use it for its intended purpose so I thought the extra rounds in the clip would bring it to whare it should be. And the side arm bonus should help keep dedicated avera happy when it comes to defending themselves. Yeah I know the PLC was announced as light AV weapon, but its not clear from its desricption and the way it works. Currently its more a giant on shot massdriver ;/. Don't get me wrong the bonus will work for the PLC but if you compare the bonus to the caldari one the caldari is much more general and will help even for any missile weapon apart the SL. So whenever CCP decides to introduce another Hybrid AV weapon your bonus may not work well... hrm you do make a good point but I definitely think the gallentte av suit should have a bonus geared towards hybrid weaponry, what about a hybrid weaponry reload speed bonus say 20% per level ? as it would suit the gallente primary choice of hybrid weaponry and their attack philosophy of hit hard and fast.
You are totally right Gal should get a bonus towards hybrid or even better plasma based weapons :). Reload would be a good start IMHO |
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