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Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 2491	Posted - 2013.12.18 15:20:00 - [1] - Quote Could one of the wonderful Devs please explain exactly what has been adjusted in regards to FF? Is it safe to use REs? HellsGÇáorm, Director Bringing the Wrath of God down on the Matari since YC114

CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance 3401	Posted - 2013.12.18 15:41:00 - [2] - Quote Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Could one of the wonderful Devs please explain exactly what has been adjusted in regards to FF? Is it safe to use REs? It is safe to use RE's in faction warfare with a couple of exceptions which you should be aware of: - Remote explosives will still do damage to friendly vehicles and dropsuits so if you damage friendlies it will be tracked. We did however fix the damage tracking calculations which were going haywire and recording far too much damage. - Friendlies can still detonate your remote explosives by shooting them and killing themselves. They can then punish you for it. We have not changed this. We also fixed vehicle collision which was also causing way too much damage. Hope that helps. CCP Nullarbor // Exotic Dancer // Team True Grit

Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 253	Posted - 2013.12.18 15:45:00 - [3] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Could one of the wonderful Devs please explain exactly what has been adjusted in regards to FF? Is it safe to use REs? It is safe to use RE's in faction warfare with a couple of exceptions which you should be aware of: - Remote explosives will still do damage to friendly vehicles and dropsuits so if you damage friendlies it will be tracked. We did however fix the damage tracking calculations which were going haywire and recording far too much damage. - Friendlies can still detonate your remote explosives by shooting them and killing themselves. They can then punish you for it. We have not changed this. We also fixed vehicle collision which was also causing way too much damage. Hope that helps. So basically you are saying that you did something similar to what I asked about here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=128524&find=unread ;)
Maximus Stryker Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 727	Posted - 2013.12.18 15:47:00 - [4] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Could one of the wonderful Devs please explain exactly what has been adjusted in regards to FF? Is it safe to use REs? It is safe to use RE's in faction warfare with a couple of exceptions which you should be aware of: - Remote explosives will still do damage to friendly vehicles and dropsuits so if you damage friendlies it will be tracked. We did however fix the damage tracking calculations which were going haywire and recording far too much damage. - Friendlies can still detonate your remote explosives by shooting them and killing themselves. They can then punish you for it. We have not changed this. We also fixed vehicle collision which was also causing way too much damage. Hope that helps. so can we place proxy mine next to each other? Previously, once one was set off, it would blow up neighboring mines and count towards your damage and thus kick you. Can I now lay 5 proxy mines next to each other for a tank trap? *Faction Channels for FW Staging* PIE Ground Control \| Caldari Hierarchy \| Turalyon \| Chosen Matari
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 2491	Posted - 2013.12.18 15:48:00 - [5] - Quote Thanks for the reply Nullarbor! HellsGÇáorm, Director Bringing the Wrath of God down on the Matari since YC114
Aisha Ctarl Scions of Athra 2283	Posted - 2013.12.18 15:50:00 - [6] - Quote Does damage to a friendly Null Cannon still count? For example, if you drop an OB on reds that are on a blue NC, does that damage count towards a kick? "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor

CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance 3401	Posted - 2013.12.18 15:52:00 - [7] - Quote Maximus Stryker wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Could one of the wonderful Devs please explain exactly what has been adjusted in regards to FF? Is it safe to use REs? It is safe to use RE's in faction warfare with a couple of exceptions which you should be aware of: - Remote explosives will still do damage to friendly vehicles and dropsuits so if you damage friendlies it will be tracked. We did however fix the damage tracking calculations which were going haywire and recording far too much damage. - Friendlies can still detonate your remote explosives by shooting them and killing themselves. They can then punish you for it. We have not changed this. We also fixed vehicle collision which was also causing way too much damage. Hope that helps. so can we place proxy mine next to each other? Previously, once one was set off, it would blow up neighboring mines and count towards your damage and thus kick you. Can I now lay 5 proxy mines next to each other for a tank trap? We no longer track damage to any equipment including remote explosives and proxy mines. CCP Nullarbor // Exotic Dancer // Team True Grit


CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance 3401	Posted - 2013.12.18 15:52:00 - [8] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Does damage to a friendly Null Cannon still count? For example, if you drop an OB on reds that are on a blue NC, does that damage count towards a kick? No installations are included in the damage tracking, only players and vehicles. CCP Nullarbor // Exotic Dancer // Team True Grit

Shadow Archeus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 177	Posted - 2013.12.18 15:52:00 - [9] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Does damage to a friendly Null Cannon still count? For example, if you drop an OB on reds that are on a blue NC, does that damage count towards a kick? I wonder this myself
Llast 326 An Arkhos 890	Posted - 2013.12.18 15:53:00 - [10] - Quote This also means that we can destroy friendly equipment to eliminate lag spam at supply depotsGÇª. KRRROOOOOOM

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7518	Posted - 2013.12.18 15:55:00 - [11] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Could one of the wonderful Devs please explain exactly what has been adjusted in regards to FF? Is it safe to use REs? It is safe to use RE's in faction warfare with a couple of exceptions which you should be aware of: - Remote explosives will still do damage to friendly vehicles and dropsuits so if you damage friendlies it will be tracked. We did however fix the damage tracking calculations which were going haywire and recording far too much damage. - Friendlies can still detonate your remote explosives by shooting them and killing themselves. They can then punish you for it. We have not changed this. We also fixed vehicle collision which was also causing way too much damage. Hope that helps. Any plans to deal with the second exception? Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 2491	Posted - 2013.12.18 15:55:00 - [12] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: We no longer track damage to any equipment including remote explosives and proxy mines. And so begins the era of anti-equipment awoxing. HellsGÇáorm, Director Bringing the Wrath of God down on the Matari since YC114
CrotchGrab 360 632	Posted - 2013.12.18 16:03:00 - [13] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Could one of the wonderful Devs please explain exactly what has been adjusted in regards to FF? Is it safe to use REs? - Friendlies can still detonate your remote explosives by shooting them and killing themselves. They can then punish you for it. We have not changed this. ...............................................................................................................................
Brush Master HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 996	Posted - 2013.12.18 16:27:00 - [14] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Does damage to a friendly Null Cannon still count? For example, if you drop an OB on reds that are on a blue NC, does that damage count towards a kick? No installations are included in the damage tracking, only players and vehicles. I hope to see you improve the damage calculations, damaging your own vehicle should really not count, it's not a friendly, you own it. 514th Wing // Team Fairy DUST // Havok Core [email protected]
Maximus Stryker Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 727	Posted - 2013.12.18 16:36:00 - [15] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Maximus Stryker wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Could one of the wonderful Devs please explain exactly what has been adjusted in regards to FF? Is it safe to use REs? It is safe to use RE's in faction warfare with a couple of exceptions which you should be aware of: - Remote explosives will still do damage to friendly vehicles and dropsuits so if you damage friendlies it will be tracked. We did however fix the damage tracking calculations which were going haywire and recording far too much damage. - Friendlies can still detonate your remote explosives by shooting them and killing themselves. They can then punish you for it. We have not changed this. We also fixed vehicle collision which was also causing way too much damage. Hope that helps. so can we place proxy mine next to each other? Previously, once one was set off, it would blow up neighboring mines and count towards your damage and thus kick you. Can I now lay 5 proxy mines next to each other for a tank trap? We no longer track damage to any equipment including remote explosives and proxy mines. thank you *Faction Channels for FW Staging* PIE Ground Control \| Caldari Hierarchy \| Turalyon \| Chosen Matari
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 967	Posted - 2013.12.18 16:40:00 - [16] - Quote what about damage done to null cannons (which are immune) with RE traps or grenades? this got me kicked once too.
XEROO COOL Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 213	Posted - 2013.12.18 16:42:00 - [17] - Quote Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: We no longer track damage to any equipment including remote explosives and proxy mines. And so begins the era of anti-equipment awoxing. Such a negative nancy Everyone has a plan until you punch em in the face! (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2703	Posted - 2013.12.18 16:51:00 - [18] - Quote Cheers Null. Much appreciated. No.
Ivy Zalinto Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd 172	Posted - 2013.12.18 16:59:00 - [19] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Could one of the wonderful Devs please explain exactly what has been adjusted in regards to FF? Is it safe to use REs? It is safe to use RE's in faction warfare with a couple of exceptions which you should be aware of: - Remote explosives will still do damage to friendly vehicles and dropsuits so if you damage friendlies it will be tracked. We did however fix the damage tracking calculations which were going haywire and recording far too much damage. - Friendlies can still detonate your remote explosives by shooting them and killing themselves. They can then punish you for it. We have not changed this. We also fixed vehicle collision which was also causing way too much damage. Hope that helps. Was this fixed overnight or something? Cause I got banned last night for having 3 re's on the ground and detonating them under an enemy tank. I killed 3 tanks that game using re's planted on them but the one time I laid a trap for one it just banned me. But there was only one friendly on the area with me and he was inside the building where I told him to go to keep the tanks attention with small arms fire. Dedicated scout. New player tutor; scout instructor Scrambler Pistol dedication

CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance 3410	Posted - 2013.12.18 17:25:00 - [20] - Quote Brush Master wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Does damage to a friendly Null Cannon still count? For example, if you drop an OB on reds that are on a blue NC, does that damage count towards a kick? No installations are included in the damage tracking, only players and vehicles. I hope to see you improve the damage calculations, damaging your own vehicle should really not count, it's not a friendly, you own it. Actually that is another exception I forgot to mention, if you grenade your own dropsuit or shoot your own vehicle that will NOT count towards the damage threshold. The ownership of vehicles does not change if a different driver gets in, so if someone on your own team steals your car and shoots it then that is tracked. CCP Nullarbor // Exotic Dancer // Team True Grit


Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK 284	Posted - 2013.12.18 17:46:00 - [21] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Brush Master wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Does damage to a friendly Null Cannon still count? For example, if you drop an OB on reds that are on a blue NC, does that damage count towards a kick? No installations are included in the damage tracking, only players and vehicles. I hope to see you improve the damage calculations, damaging your own vehicle should really not count, it's not a friendly, you own it. Actually that is another exception I forgot to mention, if you grenade your own dropsuit or shoot your own vehicle that will NOT count towards the damage threshold. The ownership of vehicles does not change if a different driver gets in, so if someone on your own team steals your car and shoots it then that is tracked. What we 're really asking is can you suicide jeep in FW and not get kicked now? Something witty here. How DOES one get a cat into a dropsuit?
Brush Master HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 1000	Posted - 2013.12.18 17:48:00 - [22] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Brush Master wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Does damage to a friendly Null Cannon still count? For example, if you drop an OB on reds that are on a blue NC, does that damage count towards a kick? No installations are included in the damage tracking, only players and vehicles. I hope to see you improve the damage calculations, damaging your own vehicle should really not count, it's not a friendly, you own it. Actually that is another exception I forgot to mention, if you grenade your own dropsuit or shoot your own vehicle that will NOT count towards the damage threshold. The ownership of vehicles does not change if a different driver gets in, so if someone on your own team steals your car and shoots it then that is tracked. way to go, kudos for listening =) 514th Wing // Team Fairy DUST // Havok Core [email protected]
Thin Decays Black Phoenix Mercenaries 0	Posted - 2013.12.18 17:51:00 - [23] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Could one of the wonderful Devs please explain exactly what has been adjusted in regards to FF? Is it safe to use REs? It is safe to use RE's in faction warfare with a couple of exceptions which you should be aware of: - Remote explosives will still do damage to friendly vehicles and dropsuits so if you damage friendlies it will be tracked. We did however fix the damage tracking calculations which were going haywire and recording far too much damage. - Friendlies can still detonate your remote explosives by shooting them and killing themselves. They can then punish you for it. We have not changed this. We also fixed vehicle collision which was also causing way too much damage. Hope that helps. Can we have an after match view of the damage we dealt to friendlies like we have damage dealt and damage received. help us be more carefully next match...
Silas Swakhammer GamersForChrist Orion Empire 304	Posted - 2013.12.18 17:54:00 - [24] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Brush Master wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Does damage to a friendly Null Cannon still count? For example, if you drop an OB on reds that are on a blue NC, does that damage count towards a kick? No installations are included in the damage tracking, only players and vehicles. I hope to see you improve the damage calculations, damaging your own vehicle should really not count, it's not a friendly, you own it. Actually that is another exception I forgot to mention, if you grenade your own dropsuit or shoot your own vehicle that will NOT count towards the damage threshold. The ownership of vehicles does not change if a different driver gets in, so if someone on your own team steals your car and shoots it then that is tracked. ah yisss Pineapples on pizza.
pseudosnipre 402	Posted - 2013.12.18 18:04:00 - [25] - Quote Silas Swakhammer wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: Brush Master wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Does damage to a friendly Null Cannon still count? For example, if you drop an OB on reds that are on a blue NC, does that damage count towards a kick? No installations are included in the damage tracking, only players and vehicles. I hope to see you improve the damage calculations, damaging your own vehicle should really not count, it's not a friendly, you own it. Actually that is another exception I forgot to mention, if you grenade your own dropsuit or shoot your own vehicle that will NOT count towards the damage threshold. The ownership of vehicles does not change if a different driver gets in, so if someone on your own team steals your car and shoots it then that is tracked. ah yisss so hijacking a friendly LAV, taking it to top speed and bailing before it takes out a squad of blues or a friendly tank...gets the owner kicked, yes? sneaking around blowing up equipment doesn't count toward total, yes? do flux nades still count toward FF totals? Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.

CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance 3411	Posted - 2013.12.18 18:06:00 - [26] - Quote pseudosnipre wrote: so hijacking a friendly LAV, taking it to top speed and bailing before it takes out a squad of blues or a friendly tank...gets the owner kicked, yes? No. pseudosnipre wrote: sneaking around blowing up equipment doesn't count toward total, yes? Correct. pseudosnipre wrote: do flux nades still count toward FF totals? Yes, any damage done to friendly dropsuits or vehicles where the instigator of the damage was a friendly counts. CCP Nullarbor // Exotic Dancer // Team True Grit

pseudosnipre 402	Posted - 2013.12.18 18:12:00 - [27] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: pseudosnipre wrote: so hijacking a friendly LAV, taking it to top speed and bailing before it takes out a squad of blues or a friendly tank...gets the owner kicked, yes? No. To clarify: 1. Last driver gets FF added? or 2. Nobody gets FF added? Either way, thank you for the thoughtful improvements! Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 456	Posted - 2013.12.18 18:23:00 - [28] - Quote pseudosnipre wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: pseudosnipre wrote: so hijacking a friendly LAV, taking it to top speed and bailing before it takes out a squad of blues or a friendly tank...gets the owner kicked, yes? No. To clarify: 1. Last driver gets FF added? or 2. Nobody gets FF added? Either way, thank you for the thoughtful improvements! Nullarbor just said that if a blueberry steals your car, it's still yours. So... owner gets FF disabled, at least for the vehicles he calls in. I don't need luck, I have ammo. Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. CEO of We Who Walk Alone
Seeth Mensch 2Shitz 1Giggle 79	Posted - 2013.12.18 23:20:00 - [29] - Quote I have watched squadmates get kicked for no apparent reason now, and read over a lot of complaints. Just as an idea, maybe some sort of decay timer on the damage-ti-kick could be implemented? Really go nuts and make it random so people don't work out exact numbers to abuse, but it just seems like there's a lot of shrieking about it. Just an idea. Hi! Gosh, I've missed you...with every bullet, plasma shot, rail gun, and missile.
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 2115	Posted - 2013.12.18 23:29:00 - [30] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Brush Master wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Does damage to a friendly Null Cannon still count? For example, if you drop an OB on reds that are on a blue NC, does that damage count towards a kick? No installations are included in the damage tracking, only players and vehicles. I hope to see you improve the damage calculations, damaging your own vehicle should really not count, it's not a friendly, you own it. Actually that is another exception I forgot to mention, if you grenade your own dropsuit or shoot your own vehicle that will NOT count towards the damage threshold. The ownership of vehicles does not change if a different driver gets in, so if someone on your own team steals your car and shoots it then that is tracked. So if I blow up my own car with REs.... that's.... ok... right? If someone on my team shoots the REs on my car and it blows up does it count any damage?

crazy space 2100046106 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 2116	Posted - 2013.12.18 23:29:00 - [31] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Brush Master wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Does damage to a friendly Null Cannon still count? For example, if you drop an OB on reds that are on a blue NC, does that damage count towards a kick? No installations are included in the damage tracking, only players and vehicles. I hope to see you improve the damage calculations, damaging your own vehicle should really not count, it's not a friendly, you own it. Actually that is another exception I forgot to mention, if you grenade your own dropsuit or shoot your own vehicle that will NOT count towards the damage threshold. The ownership of vehicles does not change if a different driver gets in, so if someone on your own team steals your car and shoots it then that is tracked. So if I blow up my own car with REs.... that's.... ok... right? If someone on my team shoots the REs on my car and it blows up does it count any damage?
Laurade Eve D3LTA FORC3 0	Posted - 2013.12.18 23:44:00 - [32] - Quote nope i just flux my soma tank and got kicked but i did kill a blueberry militia starter fit medic because he and squad was griefing the whole team. they were killing and then nanite injecting the victim back up on his feet quickly before the poor dead guy can click on punish the teamkiller. do u have a hot fix for this soon? its getting way out of hand :(
Xender17 Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 965	Posted - 2013.12.18 23:55:00 - [33] - Quote I have no idea how CCP understands all this. If you put all the comments and put them into a paragraph it would be like talking in some sort of spiral, not a circle. Cause circles make more sense. Prt SL, SCR, SR . ADV FGs, MDs, LaZor, KNs. Gunnlogi, Falchion, Python, Caldari LDS. (+require) Prt L. Am, Adv HVY, LGS
Mia Romani Nexus Marines 72	Posted - 2013.12.19 09:55:00 - [34] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Actually that is another exception I forgot to mention, if you grenade your own dropsuit or shoot your own vehicle that will NOT count towards the damage threshold. The ownership of vehicles does not change if a different driver gets in, so if someone on your own team steals your car and shoots it then that is tracked. So... No matter who happens to be driving the LAV you called in, you are the only person on your team who is allowed to freely attack or destroy it? If so, I would suggest expanding this functionality to squads: Friendly fire damage to any dropsuits or vehicles owned by anybody currently in your squad should also not be tracked. Removing someone from your squad would cause damage tracking to resume. Interstellar Crossroads
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 1192	Posted - 2013.12.19 10:35:00 - [35] - Quote Good to know, we can destroy equipments in excess to prevent framerate drop. "Just another piece of duct tape" Drugs for mercs
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 846	Posted - 2013.12.19 10:44:00 - [36] - Quote Just wanted to say: Thank you Nullarbor for clarifying so many technicalities for us. For lack of a better means of thanking you, I shall now go through this thread and like each of your posts. Thank you very much. Ulthane: Now get off of my property, 'fore more pigeons come looking an' crap on me yard! Overlord's: Ulath Bosse Zero

CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance 3450	Posted - 2013.12.19 11:35:00 - [37] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: So if I blow up my own car with REs.... that's.... ok... right? Yes that is ok. crazy space 1 wrote: If someone on my team shoots the REs on my car and it blows up does it count any damage? This is also ok because the damage would have been caused by you, even though your ally detonated the RE. CCP Nullarbor // Exotic Dancer // Team True Grit

Luke Vetri A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance 131	Posted - 2013.12.19 11:42:00 - [38] - Quote Mia Romani wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: Actually that is another exception I forgot to mention, if you grenade your own dropsuit or shoot your own vehicle that will NOT count towards the damage threshold. The ownership of vehicles does not change if a different driver gets in, so if someone on your own team steals your car and shoots it then that is tracked. So... No matter who happens to be driving the LAV you called in, you are the only person on your team who is allowed to freely attack or destroy it? If so, I would suggest expanding this functionality to squads: Friendly fire damage to any dropsuits or vehicles owned by anybody currently in your squad should also not be tracked. Removing someone from your squad would cause damage tracking to resume. Too carebear, someone steals your vehicle you can go destroy it, thats good. Having FF turned off for squad mates? Thats taking it too far
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 908	Posted - 2013.12.19 11:56:00 - [39] - Quote Mia Romani wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: Actually that is another exception I forgot to mention, if you grenade your own dropsuit or shoot your own vehicle that will NOT count towards the damage threshold. The ownership of vehicles does not change if a different driver gets in, so if someone on your own team steals your car and shoots it then that is tracked. So... No matter who happens to be driving the LAV you called in, you are the only person on your team who is allowed to freely attack or destroy it? If so, I would suggest expanding this functionality to squads: Friendly fire damage to any dropsuits or vehicles owned by anybody currently in your squad should also not be tracked. Removing someone from your squad would cause damage tracking to resume. No to this. Even though squads can be locked this would make things too.... Complicated. Feeling the scanner is too simple and off balance? The fix:
Mia Romani Nexus Marines 73	Posted - 2013.12.19 11:58:00 - [40] - Quote Luke Vetri wrote: Mia Romani wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: Actually that is another exception I forgot to mention, if you grenade your own dropsuit or shoot your own vehicle that will NOT count towards the damage threshold. The ownership of vehicles does not change if a different driver gets in, so if someone on your own team steals your car and shoots it then that is tracked. So... No matter who happens to be driving the LAV you called in, you are the only person on your team who is allowed to freely attack or destroy it? If so, I would suggest expanding this functionality to squads: Friendly fire damage to any dropsuits or vehicles owned by anybody currently in your squad should also not be tracked. Removing someone from your squad would cause damage tracking to resume. Too carebear, someone steals your vehicle you can go destroy it, thats good. Having FF turned off for squad mates? Thats taking it too far No no, I'm saying you should be allowed to do as much friendly fire as you like against your own squad mates. Just like you no longer get kicked for killing yourself, you would also no longer get kicked for killing your friends. If it becomes a problem, just stop squadding up with the guy who keeps killing you. Interstellar Crossroads

Oxskull Duncarino Tickle My Null-Sac 314	Posted - 2013.12.19 12:07:00 - [41] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: If someone on my team shoots the REs on my car and it blows up does it count any damage? This is also ok because the damage would have been caused by you, even though your ally detonated the RE. So if somebody on my team shoots my remotes or proximity explosives and causes friendly casualties, do I get the blame?????? I got to say that's idiotic if so!! The person who detonates the explosive should be the one who gets the reward/punishment for setting it off. Obviously for proxies, if they detonate as normal then the owner should get credit.
SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 595	Posted - 2013.12.19 13:19:00 - [42] - Quote I don't suppose your vehicle's ownership remains, even when hacked by the enemy? "Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)" GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 1130	Posted - 2013.12.19 13:34:00 - [43] - Quote Maximus Stryker wrote: Can I now lay 5 proxy mines next to each other for a tank trap? That would still be a bad idea in FW since proxy mines will still be set off by friendlies. Sure you won't get booted for the damage your mines do to eachother but you will get booted for killing that friendly tank. Fun > Realism
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 512	Posted - 2013.12.19 13:59:00 - [44] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Could one of the wonderful Devs please explain exactly what has been adjusted in regards to FF? Is it safe to use REs? It is safe to use RE's in faction warfare with a couple of exceptions which you should be aware of: - Remote explosives will still do damage to friendly vehicles and dropsuits so if you damage friendlies it will be tracked. We did however fix the damage tracking calculations which were going haywire and recording far too much damage. - Friendlies can still detonate your remote explosives by shooting them and killing themselves. They can then punish you for it. We have not changed this. We also fixed vehicle collision which was also causing way too much damage. Hope that helps. Hopefully all FW equipment damage punish is removed. That way it gives us a means to police equipment spam in FW, also some more meta gaming aspects.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7529	Posted - 2013.12.19 15:28:00 - [45] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Could one of the wonderful Devs please explain exactly what has been adjusted in regards to FF? Is it safe to use REs? It is safe to use RE's in faction warfare with a couple of exceptions which you should be aware of: - Remote explosives will still do damage to friendly vehicles and dropsuits so if you damage friendlies it will be tracked. We did however fix the damage tracking calculations which were going haywire and recording far too much damage. - Friendlies can still detonate your remote explosives by shooting them and killing themselves. They can then punish you for it. We have not changed this. We also fixed vehicle collision which was also causing way too much damage. Hope that helps. Any plans to deal with the second exception? Please answer Any plans to change the system so that the one who shoots the REs will be blamed instead of the RE owner? Or at least make it so friendly fire destroys REs without them blowing up? If you're not going to change, just say you're not going to change it please. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5947	Posted - 2013.12.19 16:44:00 - [46] - Quote Bethhy wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Could one of the wonderful Devs please explain exactly what has been adjusted in regards to FF? Is it safe to use REs? It is safe to use RE's in faction warfare with a couple of exceptions which you should be aware of: - Remote explosives will still do damage to friendly vehicles and dropsuits so if you damage friendlies it will be tracked. We did however fix the damage tracking calculations which were going haywire and recording far too much damage. - Friendlies can still detonate your remote explosives by shooting them and killing themselves. They can then punish you for it. We have not changed this. We also fixed vehicle collision which was also causing way too much damage. Hope that helps. Hopefully all FW equipment damage punish is removed. That way it gives us a means to police equipment spam in FW, also some more meta gaming aspects. You technically can now. Go to town with it and have fun. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
Maximus Stryker Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 728	Posted - 2013.12.19 19:42:00 - [47] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: Maximus Stryker wrote: Can I now lay 5 proxy mines next to each other for a tank trap? That would still be a bad idea in FW since proxy mines will still be set off by friendlies. Sure you won't get booted for the damage your mines do to eachother but you will get booted for killing that friendly tank. Can someone confirm friendly tanks detonate friendly proxy mines? I don't think this is the case but have not tested in specifically. I have laid many mine traps (since readings Nullabor's response) with multiple blue/green and red tanks on the field and have not been kicked yet, but that could just be random luck. *Faction Channels for FW Staging* PIE Ground Control \| Caldari Hierarchy \| Turalyon \| Chosen Matari
Delanus Turgias Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 189	Posted - 2013.12.19 19:46:00 - [48] - Quote CCP, why in god's green earth haven't you fixed the Active Scanning=Team Damage glitch? It's getting incredibly frustrating to get kicked for being an asset to my team and having all the progress I made that day in standings disappear due to your ****** programming. Closed Beta Vet since July, 2012 TEST Alliance Best Alliance Proud owner of essentially every BPO in Dust
Delanus Turgias Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 189	Posted - 2013.12.19 19:46:00 - [49] - Quote Maximus Stryker wrote: Mobius Kaethis wrote: Maximus Stryker wrote: Can I now lay 5 proxy mines next to each other for a tank trap? That would still be a bad idea in FW since proxy mines will still be set off by friendlies. Sure you won't get booted for the damage your mines do to eachother but you will get booted for killing that friendly tank. Can someone confirm friendly tanks detonate friendly proxy mines? I don't think this is the case but have not tested in specifically. I have laid many mine traps (since readings Nullabor's response) with multiple blue/green and red tanks on the field and have not been kicked yet, but that could just be random luck. They don't, I've driven over friendly proxies with my tank several times, and they didn't go off at all. Closed Beta Vet since July, 2012 TEST Alliance Best Alliance Proud owner of essentially every BPO in Dust
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 384	Posted - 2013.12.19 20:14:00 - [50] - Quote Well, this is certainly a good start! Keep up the work Ccp! Under 28db Officially nerfproof (predicting CR nerf February '14) I have a God, His name is Dakka.

Orion Vahid DUST University Ivy League 224	Posted - 2013.12.19 20:42:00 - [51] - Quote XEROO COOL wrote: Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: We no longer track damage to any equipment including remote explosives and proxy mines. And so begins the era of anti-equipment awoxing. Such a negative nancy Much New Eden
Green Living Scions of Athra 1098	Posted - 2013.12.20 02:07:00 - [52] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: So if I blow up my own car with REs.... that's.... ok... right? Yes that is ok. crazy space 1 wrote: If someone on my team shoots the REs on my car and it blows up does it count any damage? This is also ok because the damage would have been caused by you, even though your ally detonated the RE. AMARR AKBAR! DEATH TO THE MINMITAR INFIDELS TANKS! 8 SALVAGES AWAIT ME IN HEAVEN! AMARR AKBAR!
tony2686 LEGIONCOMBATCREW 0	Posted - 2013.12.21 07:18:00 - [53] - Quote me and my corp were talking and came up with a fare way to fix faction war and getting kicked as we have been kicked for some odd reson or another [ie] i blow up my own proxys with remotes and didnt even team kill . so here it go's make it so if you have team killed 5 players it gets sent out to the hole team who can deside to kick the player or not maybe by pressing left on the dpad and selecting yes or no' and if you want to have eve ship's able to drop orb's for the dust players then you need to fix it so orb's dont count to the damage done or kill team mates i say this cuz i was in a faction war where an orb would have changed the battle tide and we could have won but you cant ever get any one on team chat to use there mic or they just dont have one and your sitting there thinking ok we have three orb's but will i get kicked for the team kill's if use one and whip out some blue's so you dont drop and lose another one where the orb's could have helped to win it
abarkrishna WarRavens 218	Posted - 2013.12.21 09:13:00 - [54] - Quote Maximus Stryker wrote: Mobius Kaethis wrote: Maximus Stryker wrote: Can I now lay 5 proxy mines next to each other for a tank trap? That would still be a bad idea in FW since proxy mines will still be set off by friendlies. Sure you won't get booted for the damage your mines do to eachother but you will get booted for killing that friendly tank. Can someone confirm friendly tanks detonate friendly proxy mines? I don't think this is the case but have not tested in specifically. I have laid many mine traps (since readings Nullabor's response) with multiple blue/green and red tanks on the field and have not been kicked yet, but that could just be random luck. It used too I got booted for a friendly LAV running over proxies. Not sure if that is still the case. No you kill this blueberry hacking the CRU we are camping. I already killed the last 2. When will they learn!
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 1445	Posted - 2013.12.21 09:16:00 - [55] - Quote I was actually banned last night from FW for using Proximity Mines to detonate Remote Explosives. Here's the funny part. After all the LAVs I've killed doing it, I was not kicked. One Gunnlogi rolls over it and I'm banned. The ticket I sent gave the response that they are still tracking equipment damage. I want my day of LP booster back. "Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara The Traitor, in the name of "freedom".
Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 412	Posted - 2013.12.21 11:19:00 - [56] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: I was actually banned last night from FW for using Proximity Mines to detonate Remote Explosives. Here's the funny part. After all the LAVs I've killed doing it, I was not kicked. One Gunnlogi rolls over it and I'm banned. The ticket I sent gave the response that they are still tracking equipment damage. I want my day of LP booster back. DEVs? You only just said that you are no longer tracking equipment damage (source), but now a ticket says that you are? Clarification please? Gÿó +¦ +¦ Gÿó Trained Skills
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 830	Posted - 2013.12.21 11:28:00 - [57] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: I was actually banned last night from FW for using Proximity Mines to detonate Remote Explosives. Here's the funny part. After all the LAVs I've killed doing it, I was not kicked. One Gunnlogi rolls over it and I'm banned. The ticket I sent gave the response that they are still tracking equipment damage. I want my day of LP booster back. Might have been a blue Gunny - in the sense that a blue spawned it and a red hacked it. PRO tanker and proud. Lentarr Legionary.


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