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Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 2491	Posted - 2013.12.18 15:20:00 - [1] - Quote Could one of the wonderful Devs please explain exactly what has been adjusted in regards to FF? Is it safe to use REs? HellsGÇáorm, Director Bringing the Wrath of God down on the Matari since YC114

CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance 3401	Posted - 2013.12.18 15:41:00 - [2] - Quote Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Could one of the wonderful Devs please explain exactly what has been adjusted in regards to FF? Is it safe to use REs? It is safe to use RE's in faction warfare with a couple of exceptions which you should be aware of: - Remote explosives will still do damage to friendly vehicles and dropsuits so if you damage friendlies it will be tracked. We did however fix the damage tracking calculations which were going haywire and recording far too much damage. - Friendlies can still detonate your remote explosives by shooting them and killing themselves. They can then punish you for it. We have not changed this. We also fixed vehicle collision which was also causing way too much damage. Hope that helps. CCP Nullarbor // Exotic Dancer // Team True Grit

Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 253	Posted - 2013.12.18 15:45:00 - [3] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Could one of the wonderful Devs please explain exactly what has been adjusted in regards to FF? Is it safe to use REs? It is safe to use RE's in faction warfare with a couple of exceptions which you should be aware of: - Remote explosives will still do damage to friendly vehicles and dropsuits so if you damage friendlies it will be tracked. We did however fix the damage tracking calculations which were going haywire and recording far too much damage. - Friendlies can still detonate your remote explosives by shooting them and killing themselves. They can then punish you for it. We have not changed this. We also fixed vehicle collision which was also causing way too much damage. Hope that helps. So basically you are saying that you did something similar to what I asked about here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=128524&find=unread ;)
Maximus Stryker Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 727	Posted - 2013.12.18 15:47:00 - [4] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Could one of the wonderful Devs please explain exactly what has been adjusted in regards to FF? Is it safe to use REs? It is safe to use RE's in faction warfare with a couple of exceptions which you should be aware of: - Remote explosives will still do damage to friendly vehicles and dropsuits so if you damage friendlies it will be tracked. We did however fix the damage tracking calculations which were going haywire and recording far too much damage. - Friendlies can still detonate your remote explosives by shooting them and killing themselves. They can then punish you for it. We have not changed this. We also fixed vehicle collision which was also causing way too much damage. Hope that helps. so can we place proxy mine next to each other? Previously, once one was set off, it would blow up neighboring mines and count towards your damage and thus kick you. Can I now lay 5 proxy mines next to each other for a tank trap? *Faction Channels for FW Staging* PIE Ground Control \| Caldari Hierarchy \| Turalyon \| Chosen Matari
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 2491	Posted - 2013.12.18 15:48:00 - [5] - Quote Thanks for the reply Nullarbor! HellsGÇáorm, Director Bringing the Wrath of God down on the Matari since YC114
Aisha Ctarl Scions of Athra 2283	Posted - 2013.12.18 15:50:00 - [6] - Quote Does damage to a friendly Null Cannon still count? For example, if you drop an OB on reds that are on a blue NC, does that damage count towards a kick? "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor

CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance 3401	Posted - 2013.12.18 15:52:00 - [7] - Quote Maximus Stryker wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Could one of the wonderful Devs please explain exactly what has been adjusted in regards to FF? Is it safe to use REs? It is safe to use RE's in faction warfare with a couple of exceptions which you should be aware of: - Remote explosives will still do damage to friendly vehicles and dropsuits so if you damage friendlies it will be tracked. We did however fix the damage tracking calculations which were going haywire and recording far too much damage. - Friendlies can still detonate your remote explosives by shooting them and killing themselves. They can then punish you for it. We have not changed this. We also fixed vehicle collision which was also causing way too much damage. Hope that helps. so can we place proxy mine next to each other? Previously, once one was set off, it would blow up neighboring mines and count towards your damage and thus kick you. Can I now lay 5 proxy mines next to each other for a tank trap? We no longer track damage to any equipment including remote explosives and proxy mines. CCP Nullarbor // Exotic Dancer // Team True Grit


CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance 3401	Posted - 2013.12.18 15:52:00 - [8] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Does damage to a friendly Null Cannon still count? For example, if you drop an OB on reds that are on a blue NC, does that damage count towards a kick? No installations are included in the damage tracking, only players and vehicles. CCP Nullarbor // Exotic Dancer // Team True Grit

Shadow Archeus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 177	Posted - 2013.12.18 15:52:00 - [9] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Does damage to a friendly Null Cannon still count? For example, if you drop an OB on reds that are on a blue NC, does that damage count towards a kick? I wonder this myself
Llast 326 An Arkhos 890	Posted - 2013.12.18 15:53:00 - [10] - Quote This also means that we can destroy friendly equipment to eliminate lag spam at supply depotsGÇª. KRRROOOOOOM

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7518	Posted - 2013.12.18 15:55:00 - [11] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Could one of the wonderful Devs please explain exactly what has been adjusted in regards to FF? Is it safe to use REs? It is safe to use RE's in faction warfare with a couple of exceptions which you should be aware of: - Remote explosives will still do damage to friendly vehicles and dropsuits so if you damage friendlies it will be tracked. We did however fix the damage tracking calculations which were going haywire and recording far too much damage. - Friendlies can still detonate your remote explosives by shooting them and killing themselves. They can then punish you for it. We have not changed this. We also fixed vehicle collision which was also causing way too much damage. Hope that helps. Any plans to deal with the second exception? Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 2491	Posted - 2013.12.18 15:55:00 - [12] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: We no longer track damage to any equipment including remote explosives and proxy mines. And so begins the era of anti-equipment awoxing. HellsGÇáorm, Director Bringing the Wrath of God down on the Matari since YC114
CrotchGrab 360 632	Posted - 2013.12.18 16:03:00 - [13] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Could one of the wonderful Devs please explain exactly what has been adjusted in regards to FF? Is it safe to use REs? - Friendlies can still detonate your remote explosives by shooting them and killing themselves. They can then punish you for it. We have not changed this. ...............................................................................................................................
Brush Master HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 996	Posted - 2013.12.18 16:27:00 - [14] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Does damage to a friendly Null Cannon still count? For example, if you drop an OB on reds that are on a blue NC, does that damage count towards a kick? No installations are included in the damage tracking, only players and vehicles. I hope to see you improve the damage calculations, damaging your own vehicle should really not count, it's not a friendly, you own it. 514th Wing // Team Fairy DUST // Havok Core [email protected]
Maximus Stryker Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 727	Posted - 2013.12.18 16:36:00 - [15] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Maximus Stryker wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Could one of the wonderful Devs please explain exactly what has been adjusted in regards to FF? Is it safe to use REs? It is safe to use RE's in faction warfare with a couple of exceptions which you should be aware of: - Remote explosives will still do damage to friendly vehicles and dropsuits so if you damage friendlies it will be tracked. We did however fix the damage tracking calculations which were going haywire and recording far too much damage. - Friendlies can still detonate your remote explosives by shooting them and killing themselves. They can then punish you for it. We have not changed this. We also fixed vehicle collision which was also causing way too much damage. Hope that helps. so can we place proxy mine next to each other? Previously, once one was set off, it would blow up neighboring mines and count towards your damage and thus kick you. Can I now lay 5 proxy mines next to each other for a tank trap? We no longer track damage to any equipment including remote explosives and proxy mines. thank you *Faction Channels for FW Staging* PIE Ground Control \| Caldari Hierarchy \| Turalyon \| Chosen Matari
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 967	Posted - 2013.12.18 16:40:00 - [16] - Quote what about damage done to null cannons (which are immune) with RE traps or grenades? this got me kicked once too.
XEROO COOL Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 213	Posted - 2013.12.18 16:42:00 - [17] - Quote Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: We no longer track damage to any equipment including remote explosives and proxy mines. And so begins the era of anti-equipment awoxing. Such a negative nancy Everyone has a plan until you punch em in the face! (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2703	Posted - 2013.12.18 16:51:00 - [18] - Quote Cheers Null. Much appreciated. No.
Ivy Zalinto Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd 172	Posted - 2013.12.18 16:59:00 - [19] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Could one of the wonderful Devs please explain exactly what has been adjusted in regards to FF? Is it safe to use REs? It is safe to use RE's in faction warfare with a couple of exceptions which you should be aware of: - Remote explosives will still do damage to friendly vehicles and dropsuits so if you damage friendlies it will be tracked. We did however fix the damage tracking calculations which were going haywire and recording far too much damage. - Friendlies can still detonate your remote explosives by shooting them and killing themselves. They can then punish you for it. We have not changed this. We also fixed vehicle collision which was also causing way too much damage. Hope that helps. Was this fixed overnight or something? Cause I got banned last night for having 3 re's on the ground and detonating them under an enemy tank. I killed 3 tanks that game using re's planted on them but the one time I laid a trap for one it just banned me. But there was only one friendly on the area with me and he was inside the building where I told him to go to keep the tanks attention with small arms fire. Dedicated scout. New player tutor; scout instructor Scrambler Pistol dedication

CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance 3410	Posted - 2013.12.18 17:25:00 - [20] - Quote Brush Master wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Does damage to a friendly Null Cannon still count? For example, if you drop an OB on reds that are on a blue NC, does that damage count towards a kick? No installations are included in the damage tracking, only players and vehicles. I hope to see you improve the damage calculations, damaging your own vehicle should really not count, it's not a friendly, you own it. Actually that is another exception I forgot to mention, if you grenade your own dropsuit or shoot your own vehicle that will NOT count towards the damage threshold. The ownership of vehicles does not change if a different driver gets in, so if someone on your own team steals your car and shoots it then that is tracked. CCP Nullarbor // Exotic Dancer // Team True Grit


Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK 284	Posted - 2013.12.18 17:46:00 - [21] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Brush Master wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Does damage to a friendly Null Cannon still count? For example, if you drop an OB on reds that are on a blue NC, does that damage count towards a kick? No installations are included in the damage tracking, only players and vehicles. I hope to see you improve the damage calculations, damaging your own vehicle should really not count, it's not a friendly, you own it. Actually that is another exception I forgot to mention, if you grenade your own dropsuit or shoot your own vehicle that will NOT count towards the damage threshold. The ownership of vehicles does not change if a different driver gets in, so if someone on your own team steals your car and shoots it then that is tracked. What we 're really asking is can you suicide jeep in FW and not get kicked now? Something witty here. How DOES one get a cat into a dropsuit?
Brush Master HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 1000	Posted - 2013.12.18 17:48:00 - [22] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Brush Master wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Does damage to a friendly Null Cannon still count? For example, if you drop an OB on reds that are on a blue NC, does that damage count towards a kick? No installations are included in the damage tracking, only players and vehicles. I hope to see you improve the damage calculations, damaging your own vehicle should really not count, it's not a friendly, you own it. Actually that is another exception I forgot to mention, if you grenade your own dropsuit or shoot your own vehicle that will NOT count towards the damage threshold. The ownership of vehicles does not change if a different driver gets in, so if someone on your own team steals your car and shoots it then that is tracked. way to go, kudos for listening =) 514th Wing // Team Fairy DUST // Havok Core [email protected]
Thin Decays Black Phoenix Mercenaries 0	Posted - 2013.12.18 17:51:00 - [23] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Could one of the wonderful Devs please explain exactly what has been adjusted in regards to FF? Is it safe to use REs? It is safe to use RE's in faction warfare with a couple of exceptions which you should be aware of: - Remote explosives will still do damage to friendly vehicles and dropsuits so if you damage friendlies it will be tracked. We did however fix the damage tracking calculations which were going haywire and recording far too much damage. - Friendlies can still detonate your remote explosives by shooting them and killing themselves. They can then punish you for it. We have not changed this. We also fixed vehicle collision which was also causing way too much damage. Hope that helps. Can we have an after match view of the damage we dealt to friendlies like we have damage dealt and damage received. help us be more carefully next match...
Silas Swakhammer GamersForChrist Orion Empire 304	Posted - 2013.12.18 17:54:00 - [24] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Brush Master wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Does damage to a friendly Null Cannon still count? For example, if you drop an OB on reds that are on a blue NC, does that damage count towards a kick? No installations are included in the damage tracking, only players and vehicles. I hope to see you improve the damage calculations, damaging your own vehicle should really not count, it's not a friendly, you own it. Actually that is another exception I forgot to mention, if you grenade your own dropsuit or shoot your own vehicle that will NOT count towards the damage threshold. The ownership of vehicles does not change if a different driver gets in, so if someone on your own team steals your car and shoots it then that is tracked. ah yisss Pineapples on pizza.
pseudosnipre 402	Posted - 2013.12.18 18:04:00 - [25] - Quote Silas Swakhammer wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: Brush Master wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Does damage to a friendly Null Cannon still count? For example, if you drop an OB on reds that are on a blue NC, does that damage count towards a kick? No installations are included in the damage tracking, only players and vehicles. I hope to see you improve the damage calculations, damaging your own vehicle should really not count, it's not a friendly, you own it. Actually that is another exception I forgot to mention, if you grenade your own dropsuit or shoot your own vehicle that will NOT count towards the damage threshold. The ownership of vehicles does not change if a different driver gets in, so if someone on your own team steals your car and shoots it then that is tracked. ah yisss so hijacking a friendly LAV, taking it to top speed and bailing before it takes out a squad of blues or a friendly tank...gets the owner kicked, yes? sneaking around blowing up equipment doesn't count toward total, yes? do flux nades still count toward FF totals? Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.

CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance 3411	Posted - 2013.12.18 18:06:00 - [26] - Quote pseudosnipre wrote: so hijacking a friendly LAV, taking it to top speed and bailing before it takes out a squad of blues or a friendly tank...gets the owner kicked, yes? No. pseudosnipre wrote: sneaking around blowing up equipment doesn't count toward total, yes? Correct. pseudosnipre wrote: do flux nades still count toward FF totals? Yes, any damage done to friendly dropsuits or vehicles where the instigator of the damage was a friendly counts. CCP Nullarbor // Exotic Dancer // Team True Grit

pseudosnipre 402	Posted - 2013.12.18 18:12:00 - [27] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: pseudosnipre wrote: so hijacking a friendly LAV, taking it to top speed and bailing before it takes out a squad of blues or a friendly tank...gets the owner kicked, yes? No. To clarify: 1. Last driver gets FF added? or 2. Nobody gets FF added? Either way, thank you for the thoughtful improvements! Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 456	Posted - 2013.12.18 18:23:00 - [28] - Quote pseudosnipre wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: pseudosnipre wrote: so hijacking a friendly LAV, taking it to top speed and bailing before it takes out a squad of blues or a friendly tank...gets the owner kicked, yes? No. To clarify: 1. Last driver gets FF added? or 2. Nobody gets FF added? Either way, thank you for the thoughtful improvements! Nullarbor just said that if a blueberry steals your car, it's still yours. So... owner gets FF disabled, at least for the vehicles he calls in. I don't need luck, I have ammo. Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. CEO of We Who Walk Alone
Seeth Mensch 2Shitz 1Giggle 79	Posted - 2013.12.18 23:20:00 - [29] - Quote I have watched squadmates get kicked for no apparent reason now, and read over a lot of complaints. Just as an idea, maybe some sort of decay timer on the damage-ti-kick could be implemented? Really go nuts and make it random so people don't work out exact numbers to abuse, but it just seems like there's a lot of shrieking about it. Just an idea. Hi! Gosh, I've missed you...with every bullet, plasma shot, rail gun, and missile.
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 2115	Posted - 2013.12.18 23:29:00 - [30] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Brush Master wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Does damage to a friendly Null Cannon still count? For example, if you drop an OB on reds that are on a blue NC, does that damage count towards a kick? No installations are included in the damage tracking, only players and vehicles. I hope to see you improve the damage calculations, damaging your own vehicle should really not count, it's not a friendly, you own it. Actually that is another exception I forgot to mention, if you grenade your own dropsuit or shoot your own vehicle that will NOT count towards the damage threshold. The ownership of vehicles does not change if a different driver gets in, so if someone on your own team steals your car and shoots it then that is tracked. So if I blow up my own car with REs.... that's.... ok... right? If someone on my team shoots the REs on my car and it blows up does it count any damage?



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