...several fully kitted out Madrugars and Gunnlogis on the enemy side of every other battle I join. I found tanking before to often be frustrating, but at least I could drop the tank and put my boots on the ground when things got frustrating. Now, you need to run HAVs 24/7 if you can just to halt the enemy HAVs, at least at the time of day I play.

HAVs popping HAVs doesn't even work when there's 5 enemy HAVs on the enemy side of every other match. When you saw 6 names from one big corp or a qynch in the feed before, you knew things would be tough. Now, when you see that, you know they'll be deploying their whole quota in HAVs against your one HAV, one squaddies HAV and 14 assorted berries.

Every match depends almost solely on how many HAVs, with what guns and what modules, are deployed at the start, and if you're willing to throw ISK at the screen replacing them. HAVs are the main attraction and infantry are a sideshow, except when in installations that usually get 3HKO'd by a rail tank or forge gun anyway. Once one side wins the tank wars at the beginning of the match, they keep it that way. Good luck deploying one HAV without it getting popped on deployment by a 2-3HKO amped particle accelerator 350m away, let alone 5 to match the enemy's force.

This is Tank 514 and it is far worse than AR 514 ever was. I used to like tanking, now I see several HAVs on every battlefield all soaking up AV like sponges, running in packs, cheap as dirt and I want to puke. I don't want a GêP.0 K/D against infantry. I want a balanced game that is more complex than deploying more/better HAVs than the opponent. When you know the outcome of the battle with 95% accuracy 60 seconds in by the map, there's a problem.

I swear, playing pubs not in a tank squad is like pulling teeth most of the time.

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...several fully kitted out Madrugars and Gunnlogis on the enemy side of every other battle I join. I found tanking before to often be frustrating, but at least I could drop the tank and put my boots on the ground when things got frustrating. Now, you need to run HAVs 24/7 if you can just to halt the enemy HAVs, at least at the time of day I play.

HAVs popping HAVs doesn't even work when there's 5 enemy HAVs on the enemy side of every other match. When you saw 6 names from one big corp or a qynch in the feed before, you knew things would be tough. Now, when you see that, you know they'll be deploying their whole quota in HAVs against your one HAV, one squaddies HAV and 14 assorted berries.

Every match depends almost solely on how many HAVs, with what guns and what modules, are deployed at the start, and if you're willing to throw ISK at the screen replacing them. HAVs are the main attraction and infantry are a sideshow, except when in installations that usually get 3HKO'd by a rail tank or forge gun anyway. Once one side wins the tank wars at the beginning of the match, they keep it that way. Good luck deploying one HAV without it getting popped on deployment by a 2-3HKO amped particle accelerator 350m away, let alone 5 to match the enemy's force.

This is Tank 514 and it is far worse than AR 514 ever was. I used to like tanking, now I see several HAVs on every battlefield all soaking up AV like sponges, running in packs, cheap as dirt and I want to puke. I don't want a GêP.0 K/D against infantry. I want a balanced game that is more complex than deploying more/better HAVs than the opponent. When you know the outcome of the battle with 95% accuracy 60 seconds in by the map, there's a problem.

I swear, playing pubs not in a tank squad is like pulling teeth most of the time.

when i run ground as assult, i just aavoid all the enemy tanks, its works better then you think if your used to using your own team as bait :P

if a tank kills me, that guy holding an AR would of as well. i dont really mind dieing to it because they are huge and loud and i should of saw the damn thing coming

I would rarther have no infantry than several fully kitted out protobears on the enemy side of every other battle I join

Oh wait that was happening for months and the only way you could counter was in your own protobear gear or just go BPO anyways, i bet you didnt complain about that when you protostomped

I would rarther have no infantry than several fully kitted out protobears on the enemy side of every other battle I join

Oh wait that was happening for months and the only way you could counter was in your own protobear gear or just go BPO anyways, i bet you didnt complain about that when you protostomped

I didn't like protostomping.

Also, there's a difference between a 69k iron wall that takes 0 SP and is impossible to go ISK negative in and a suit that gives you some extra HP and damage with a large SP and ISK investment. It's protostomping on a much more deadly, gamebreaking scale. I run mostly STD and ADV gear and, guess what, I actually kill protos! Wow, amazing, I actually had a 2.0+ K/D 90% of matches in standard gear before 1.7! Tankstomping is protostomping times a thousand. You can kill a proto in seconds with a militia assault rifle and multiple protos with a grenade. A full squad of prototypes is problematic, but they are far more killable than a full squad of tanks.

I didn't like protostomping.

Also, there's a difference between a 69k iron wall that takes 0 SP and is impossible to go ISK negative in and a suit that gives you some extra HP and damage with a large SP and ISK investment. It's protostomping on a much more deadly, gamebreaking scale. I run mostly STD and ADV gear and, guess what, I actually kill protos! Wow, amazing, I actually had a 2.0+ K/D 90% of matches in standard gear before 1.7! Tankstomping is protostomping times a thousand. You can kill a proto in seconds with a militia assault rifle and multiple protos with a grenade. A full squad of prototypes is problematic, but they are far more killable than a full squad of tanks.

I don't mind avoiding 1. When there's 5 guarding the only Domination point? Also, can't escape something that moves 1000 KM/H with a +30% Nitrous Injector that kills you in 4 bullets from up to 175m away with a Blaster. I should know when I clone over 50% of the enemy clones most of the time the enemy fails to deploy a HAV in Ambush.

A 0SP/ISK BPO suit is also impossible to go negative in and kicker is it can kill protosuits aslong as i get the drop on them and not scanned for 100m away before hand

A gamebreaking scale? protobears redlined the enemy instantly without even trying causing mass snipers and even tanks back in the day got protostomped on, now if tanks are stomping bring out your own tank since even milita can fight back quite well

Tanks are quite easy to kill and hella easy to avoid as infantry, but like any protobear stomping squad if its an organized proto tank stomping squad you will find it hard

Protobear stomping = tank stomping

Its the same thing, except you dont like it because the shoe is on the other foot and kicking your arse

aparently not knowing that you cant escape it is the key to being able to escape it.

as i escape them all the time

Why aren't you just driving an LAV in such a target rich environment?

I'm start tanking ))) Cause this is *** - u running in proto gear, killing ppls, then they bring 6 tanks and ur team is done.

Also my militia soma is good for wallet, only 50k ISK for 18-24 kills with 0 deaths. Yea, sometimes i get killed by railgun tanks, or madrugars with proto guns, but hey )))

Adapt or die :) So spawn ur militia tanks and lets make some Tanks514

I choose "troll." It's where I drop 5 assorted non-MLT HAVs into an Ambush with multiple seats until our whole team is in tanks, deploying more as they fall. Impossible to ever lose if you deploy fast enough, it's a brilliant strategy for those willing to use blueberries as steel meatshields for a high enough price.

I guess you could've taken, "I didn't like protostomping" as, "I didn't enjoy doing it but did it anyway." No, I meant that I didn't do it and it felt unfair that there was no defense for newbs. I have tanked on and off for months, seriously in 1.6. The shoe can't be on the other foot when the roles are reversed.

Also, using poor gear to defeat high gear takes some skill and tactics. It's about HOW it gets the job done. Meanwhile, you can drop in endless militia tanks and get a much higher K/D than any protobear I've EVER known and still easily break even. Lower tier tanks can die to good AV, while higher tier tanks simply shred everything apart and only die to other tanks. Essentially, it's like having:

STD Gear < ADV Gear < PRO Gear < Even better PRO gear anyone can use < Even better better PRO gear that dedicated tankers can use.

I have a 6.5 weekly K/D. Taking out ground deaths it's probably closer to a 10.0. In matches where my team has tank superiority, I usually go something like 20/0 or 20/1. I run solo or in small squads a fair bit and do better, obviously, with good help. That's not the problem. I'm not complaining because my poor little K/D is suffering and I'm getting stomped. I'm complaining because tank "balance" is broken as all hell, making matches even more predictable than before and pointless without better tank support than the opponent. Either they have good tank support and I'm on my own against the hoarde, or the shoe is on the other foot and I'm part of the hoarde. I don't want a hoarde on either side. Save that **** for FW, maybe, but keep it out of pubs along with 2 q-synched full proto squads against 16 guys fresh from the academy.

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Protobear can be killed by militia, militia tank can kill proper tank - I dont see how the balance is broken and your flowchart is pure lies

What your problem is with matchmaking, you said it yourself you are either with or against the horde and it was the same pre 1.7 with protobears you were against or with them, its the same problem

Except tanks are now useful, much more useful than pre 1.7, same can be said for DS but its not the end all and be all

Take skirmish, pre 1.7 protobears would win easily and stomp infantry and every letter, tanks were a nonfactor and got whacked easily enough, now 1.7 tanks can change a game, they can at least help and hold the outside points, its not infantry turf unless its in the city or a confined space

My Gunnlogi can pop 2 Somas in a 2 v 1 with hardeners up, sponging all of the damage. Missiles to unwary HAVs work and amped Railguns work until the enemy brings out better Railguns. I can run at 3 protos and drop one of them. I cannot do that with a tank because the TTKs are escalated.

Matchmaking is, indeed, the source of the most frustration. However, it's not like matchmaking could tell who's actively tanking or not, even looking at SP distributions. The problem with tanks is that tanks > infantry, so you usually need to dominate tanks to win many maps.

They do more than help. If the enemy does not bring HAVs to stop me, I can clone whole Ambush squads, set up uplinks on every point in Skirmish and completely prevent the enemy from capturing the point in Domination, provided I can cover it depending on the map. They could always change games in good hands, especially in pubs. Confined spaces aren't even infantry turd with a shield hardener or two up.

So many kids in tanks so little fuks given seriously every tank driver is **** they have to use a crutch in the game cuz there
A. KD is trash
B. Cod 13 year olds
C. CCP cant fix it
D. If ur obviosly a tanker reading this u obviously suk at the game because u provide no help whatsoever uu think udo but u dont
U cant get out to capture an objective and last of all now i made u mad LOL ;-)
MY 2 CENTS.

Gunlogi - Shield based - Rail or missiles prefered choice

Soma - Militia armor based tank - Blaster is the only thing you can put on it unless you skip on tank

Hardeners - 60% resistance to all incoming damage

60% resistance to a blaster is enough to not even halt your regen, also the soma has to be near point blank to cause enough damage to stop your regen

If you run missiles you will alpha that tank with a full auto volley

I dont see the point of your example tbh


Tanks > infantry - Its a tank with a large gun on it, generally my blaster tank is built to be anti infantry, do you expect a rail rifle to do enough damage to kill a tank?

lolambush

If the enemy do not bring a tank or AV to stop you then you should stomp, if there is no one to stop you on the enemy team will a magic rock appear to stop you? no, its upto the enemy to make a move and do something

Also last i checked my tank cant fit through a door

when i run ground as assult, i just aavoid all the enemy tanks, its works better then you think if your used to using your own team as bait :P

if a tank kills me, that guy holding an AR would of as well. i dont really mind dieing to it because they are huge and loud and i should of saw the damn thing coming