Also, the advantage the scrambler, combat rifle, and a few other weapons have is that their ADS gets a red dot sight which typically means a few more headshots than other more 'sprayish' weapons.

I don't complain about it I just adapt to it.

Heavy has no purpose other than carrying an RR or CR, or sitting inside a building all game praying someone is dumb enough to walk through the door without scanning him and tossing a cooked grenade first.

Heavies have no place in this game now other than forge gunning or attempting to mimic medium frames.

or, you know, something actually helpful like defending an objective.

pfft, that's silly, better hide in random building #153 and QQ because nobody will come through.

Research Lab. I've come across some Heavies in there that practically make it impossible to get near the objective.

honestly, it's not that bad. I'm a full time scout, and I can hold my own against 99% of the community. I personally like the TTK. it allows my ambushes and preemptive strikes to kill them fast enough before they turn around and obliterate me.

I LOVE the Rail Rifle. I don't think it's OP.
I LOVE the Combat Rifle. I don't think it's OP.

very few things in this game are actually OP to be honest. the real problem is this community. people don't think before they act. I see heavies all the time running blindly for me, expecting an easy kill, only to be melted by me and my 4 other squadmates hiding behind the corner. I feel this is why many people say heavies health don't matter. a heavy is NOT supposed to be an invincible force. I can honestly say 95% of heavies I see are pretty stupid.

I was in a squad yesterday where they were talking about all 4 rifles being OP. NO THEY AREN'T. what they don't understand is that a rifle isn't meant to be super hard to use. if you get back attacked by anything and you're by yourself, then chances are you're dead.

I constantly see people talking about how fights don't last long enough, or the winner is the one with more tank. then tell me how I can consistently kill heavies, logis, and assaults 1v1 in a scout suit. my answer is that I think before I act. I'm also VERY situationally aware.

TL;DR

I guess I just don't have any sympathy for all these brick tanked FoTM logis and assaults complaining that they die too quickly when I, in a scout suit can deal with it just fine.

or, you know, something actually helpful like defending an objective.

pfft, that's silly, better hide in random building #153 and QQ because nobody will come through.

honestly, it's not that bad. I'm a full time scout, and I can hold my own against 99% of the community. I personally like the TTK. it allows my ambushes and preemptive strikes to kill them fast enough before they turn around and obliterate me.

I LOVE the Rail Rifle. I don't think it's OP.
I LOVE the Combat Rifle. I don't think it's OP.

very few things in this game are actually OP to be honest. the real problem is this community. people don't think before they act. I see heavies all the time running blindly for me, expecting an easy kill, only to be melted by me and my 4 other squadmates hiding behind the corner. I feel this is why many people say heavies health don't matter. a heavy is NOT supposed to be an invincible force. I can honestly say 95% of heavies I see are pretty stupid.

I was in a squad yesterday where they were talking about all 4 rifles being OP. NO THEY AREN'T. what they don't understand is that a rifle isn't meant to be super hard to use. if you get back attacked by anything and you're by yourself, then chances are you're dead.

I constantly see people talking about how fights don't last long enough, or the winner is the one with more tank. then tell me how I can consistently kill heavies, logis, and assaults 1v1 in a scout suit. my answer is that I think before I act. I'm also VERY situationally aware.

TL;DR

I guess I just don't have any sympathy for all these brick tanked FoTM logis and assaults complaining that they die too quickly when I, in a scout suit can deal with it just fine.

ROFL... way to conveniently avoid mentioning what sort of scout suit you run. I saw you in game a day or two ago in a 600+ EHP armor-bricked proto Gal scout. Tiny hitbox, low profile, and more EHP than most assaults and my logi = of course you're not having any trouble.

WAHH

firstly, why does a heavy getting scanned matter? a heavy should not be worried about stealth at all.

yes, they should be able to take on multiple enemies, BUT not out in the wilderness where they can be out-strafed and hit from range. in a chokepoint (i.e. a hallway/small room/stairs by objectives) where movement is restrained, a heavy will dominate. why? they're a DEFENSIVE ROLE. they shouldn't be flopping all over the map.

Heavys are still brutal with a Logi, but like you said Biscuit, most Heavys now a days aren't thinking things out. They run rifles and try and play the Assault role.

If you can't tell why a heavy being scanned matters, then you don't know what it is to play a heavy.

Heavies are not just a defensive role in the exact same way that logis aren't just a healing role, and scouts aren't just a spotting role.

Any good player will just hedge out a heavy, either forcing him to sit in his spot until you bring in backup, or making him come to engage you, and inevitably die.

unless you left flanking routes open, it shouldn't matter.

while it's true that suits can be "whatever they want", some are obviously better equipped to be a certain roles and as such should be that role more often than not. or you can be that shotgun heavy and be utterly useless.

if you're pinned down in a spot, unless your squad is busy you should probably holler for some support, and if you follow the enemy out to their position then you're just being stupid.

ROFL... way to conveniently avoid mentioning what sort of scout suit you run. I saw you in game a day or two ago in a 600+ EHP armor-bricked proto Gal scout. Tiny hitbox, low profile, and more EHP than most assaults and my logi = of course you're not having any trouble. That's how you can kill heavies, logis, and assaults 1v1 in a scout suit: by bricking it. Get the same results with 300EHP and I'll bow before you, but until then, don't talk so tough.

Lulz. OP definately has no brains.

I might be alone in this, but TTK feels fine to me. If I'm in an armor tanking suit, and someone hits my flank with a CR, I should die quickly. They're using the direct counter to my armor tank and I wasn't aware enough to prevent such an attack. If scans were active, or I had squadies watching my back, it might have been prevented.

I think people need to just stick closer to cover and become more battlefield aware.

TL;DR: git gud

you're not alone. i feel the same. this game is awesome. the community. not so much.

i'm so sick of everyone crying OP! OP! when it's just that they are idiots. if i don't die in one second in a 300 ehp scout suit, then how the hell does a heavy die in one second with 1000+ hp?

Hit boxes



You clearly haven't played a heavy much if you think heavies dying in around a second is uncommon. You basically HAVE to have remote reps on you as a heavy these days, basically everything out ranges and out damages you.

basically everything outranges and out damages you

TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR do you prefer Ambush over Skirmish and Pub over FW?

Just curious is all.

HMG =/= heavy. if i recall correctly, a heavy can fit the exact same weapons as any other suit.

hit boxes? has any heavy tried staying out from the open? you're not an invincible force that can 1v1 anybody, and you never will be. i've seen some good heavies, like God Hates Lags. he is actually one of the few heavies i respect.

just saying hit boxes doesn't suffice. you need to elaborate for that statement to mean anything. because i can kill a scout MUCH easier than i can kill a heavy hit box difference and all.

You don't think these weapons are OP BECAUSE you love it.....
Guys open your eyes PLEASE.
How are you supposed to give an objectiv critic about weapon you love and you don't want to be nerfed ?
Can you guys just have an objective aspect on the game like 0.5 sec ?



You think heavies is too stupid to make manoeuveur and backstab ennemies ?

THEY CAN'T MOVE.
And their scanned profile is so high that they can't o ANYTHING without being spotted by everyone.
Their duty IS to be the brick that face the ennemies like a wall.
THEY ARE SUPPOSED to take fire in their head and STAY ALIVE.
It's their role to be in front of the ennemies able to take damage from 2-3 ennemies WITHOUT DYING.
While YOU scouts or "light" assaults are supposed to attack from behind.

Right know they just CAN'T they die in less than a second from a SINGLE PLAYER.....
They are USELESS.


And you're WRONG.
The problem is NOT that it's the one with them orel ife that won because it's WRONG.
And this is the actual problem our ehp does'not MATTER ANYMORE here's the problem.
Actually the TTK is so low than ALL SUITS is instant killed.....
The only thing that matter today is DPS.
With my ****** dragon fly with toxin i killed 2 protos heavy in less than 5 sec and you're saying there's no problem ? are you BLIND ?
You comp^lain about "brick tanking" ?
Now it's FULL damager and that's even worse.

The game has never been so bad it's just a COD in space it's the SAME THING.
Your fit don't count anymore.
You choose weapon equipement and THAT'S ALL.
No more tactics no more fitting optimization no more market.
Just play the game has never been so close to a bad COD.... (Or BF that's the same with their TTk for handicaped)
Now everybody even with his **** can kill No more skill no more tactics just shoot and Run.....



And all of that is ONLY because of the TTK.

Hit boxes



You clearly haven't played a heavy much if you think heavies dying in around a second is uncommon. You basically HAVE to have remote reps on you as a heavy these days, basically everything out ranges and out damages you.

2.) i have a suit with 287 ehp that runs faster than just about any suit in the game (10.73 m/s). this fit is excellent for harassing an objective, or tying people up while your squad takes care of business. not so good for defending an objective.

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Hello

Why are you avoiding this question?

Yet you sit here questioning how heavies die faster than you

just spray and you'll get a kill

Yet you sit here questioning how heavies die faster than you




I do usually run solo, but that's not where I'm coming from. You can tank a logi to be almost as tanky as a heavy, but with more utility and you're harder to hit, and you can be repped all the same.

The simple fact is that you're easy to hit and are generally forced to use light weapons because the HMG is garbage that is outranged by even sidearms, and practically everything gets bonus damage to armor. I'm not against having logis follow me around, I'm against having weapons that put all fits down in a second or two with good aim.

That's what I'm against.

You make a good point, and I agree. The problem there isn't the game's TTK though, it's the heavy and the HMG. I would love to see heavies returned to their former glory, when it would take one crafty merc or two well coordinated mercs to kill one.

On the topic of general TTK though, I still think medium frame vs medium frame is fun and balanced as it currently stands. 1.8 better address heavies and scouts...

Ah the fabled red dot sight - its technology so rare 20,000 years into the future that they are few and far between....

IKR

Gunsmithing should be a skill and every weapon tweakable and customisable... including ammo types. Also there should be a workbench in quarters where you assemble each one.