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Woka II
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2013.12.15 22:53:00 -
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Roger Cordill wrote:Malice TheRipper wrote:Woka II wrote:Don't mind him, he's thinks too highly of himself. He does have a point with the buffs you're asking for. Also you don't necessarily have to kill a tank, if you can keep him busy you're helping your team. Yeh i know he's talking bull...but I dunno..like i know i can make them buzz off for intervals..but i wanna kill them! like cost them money which would even further make them regret bringing out more tanks, I personally like quelling the issues, but it is insanely harder to do that now with these tank buffs...so i, kinda wanted some equally insane tank busters message from Godin: 1: No, no I am not. 2: If you want to kill them, as I have said, get good, There's several ways to kill a HAV. It all depends on the HAV in question. The first step is to figure out it's fit. Once you do that, it's a piece of cake. 3: Making something broken instead of fixing a small glitch and adjusting the speed is just plain stupid.
Your second argument just invalidated your first one. Saying get good is the same as calling someone a **** player and self promoting. Have you looked at half the stuff you write? You promote your self as this god player that looks down on everyone else. |
Malice TheRipper
PiZzA DuDeS
13
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Posted - 2013.12.16 00:04:00 -
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Roger Cordill wrote:Malice TheRipper wrote:Woka II wrote:Don't mind him, he's thinks too highly of himself. He does have a point with the buffs you're asking for. Also you don't necessarily have to kill a tank, if you can keep him busy you're helping your team. Yeh i know he's talking bull...but I dunno..like i know i can make them buzz off for intervals..but i wanna kill them! like cost them money which would even further make them regret bringing out more tanks, I personally like quelling the issues, but it is insanely harder to do that now with these tank buffs...so i, kinda wanted some equally insane tank busters message from Godin: 1: No, no I am not. 2: If you want to kill them, as I have said, get good, There's several ways to kill a HAV. It all depends on the HAV in question. The first step is to figure out it's fit. Once you do that, it's a piece of cake. 3: Making something broken instead of fixing a small glitch and adjusting the speed is just plain stupid.
1...still havent shown up to kill my tanks for me so..yes...yes you are...
2. It's not as easy as just knowing what tank to hit and adapting, you may not have/be near a supply depot, or even if you do have the right fit, you would have t somehow still be able to get through it's ridiculously large amount of hp (mind you these are supposed to be MILITIA) in order to kill it before it blasts off, and unless you're always at some type of godly vantage point you cannot stalk a ******* tank unless you also have a HAV at hand...and you'd still have to go through this agonizing ritual or getting out and trying to shoot the thing before it speeds off, stupid ass. not to mention not everyone has the proto gear to even get close to doing what i just said to take out the over abundant super difficult than needed to kill them...its not about getting good, moreso about getting smart..and even if you're smart you have to be in very specific conditions. ...but its always easier for biachs to talk instead of do <,<...
And yes something is op when its a very particular aspect, at very low cost/risk, that is harder to kill than it should effectively be..gosh...biaches..always talking about shyt they dont know but still wanna have the biggest ****...
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Roger Cordill
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
263
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Posted - 2013.12.16 00:11:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Roger Cordill wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Roger Cordill wrote:Kane Fyea wrote: Well I am and I have adapted. Can't believe I ever tried killing tanks with swarms (Silly me really) when militia tanks with militia railguns are more effective then my proto AV. Those AVers should just adapt to using tanks like everyone else fking noobs. They really need to get gud.
message from Godin: 1: That'll only help you if going against a Scrub or FOTM'er. A real pilot such as myself will eat you alive 2: That's not adapting, that's changing roles. Stop being a ******* wall, and follow the HAV, stalk it down, and hit it hard when it's vulnerable. 1. I've destroyed plenty of maddys and gunnys with my militia tanks. They could be scrubs but I don't care I'm making a profit more efficiently then I can with proto swarms either way. 2. It is adapting. It's adapting from an UP weapon to a good one. Also I do wait until modules are down. How do you think I kill other tanks? message from Godin: Can't kill mine with those tatics, and AV is fine. If I can use it, so can you. Oh wow so I can't kill what 9 people out of the 100s of others that use tanks? I can deal with that. Also I never said I couldn't destroy tanks with swarms but why go through so much trouble when militia tanks are more effective then proto AV.
message from Godin: I can think of about 50 people who would flatten you with either AV or HAV's. another 3 could with fluxes and RE's. One could with a ADS. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
8736
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Posted - 2013.12.16 00:18:00 -
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Did you tear an ACL with your kneejerk reaction? And you expect something to be done when you're insulting your only saving grace? Good luck with that.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Danotalo FLIPIN
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2013.12.16 00:24:00 -
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some tanks are really easy to blow up step one find a high area step two shoot the fuking tank
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AAA Hellcab
Molon Labe. Public Disorder.
66
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Posted - 2013.12.16 00:24:00 -
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But they want you ALL to use them. They are damn fun, they require no skills, they are now cheap. The days of 1 single tank owning the battlefield are gone and the days of 1 AV soldier clearing all vehicles are gone. Use team work and use team vehicles. I have had my tank killed and killed more tanks in this last week then in the passed year Enjoy!
Edit: but yeah, both Vehicle and Anti-Vehicle should have been given a respec. |
Roger Cordill
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
263
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Posted - 2013.12.16 00:27:00 -
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Woka II wrote:Roger Cordill wrote:Malice TheRipper wrote:Woka II wrote:Don't mind him, he's thinks too highly of himself. He does have a point with the buffs you're asking for. Also you don't necessarily have to kill a tank, if you can keep him busy you're helping your team. Yeh i know he's talking bull...but I dunno..like i know i can make them buzz off for intervals..but i wanna kill them! like cost them money which would even further make them regret bringing out more tanks, I personally like quelling the issues, but it is insanely harder to do that now with these tank buffs...so i, kinda wanted some equally insane tank busters message from Godin: 1: No, no I am not. 2: If you want to kill them, as I have said, get good, There's several ways to kill a HAV. It all depends on the HAV in question. The first step is to figure out it's fit. Once you do that, it's a piece of cake. 3: Making something broken instead of fixing a small glitch and adjusting the speed is just plain stupid. Your second argument just invalidated your first one. Saying get good is the same as calling someone a **** player and self promoting. Have you looked at half the stuff you write? You promote your self as this god player that looks down on everyone else.
message from Godin:
HAv's aren't broken. There's some problems, yes. But they aren't the unkillable monsters that people has called them out to be. And the second statement was a general statement, and a true one at that.
Also, I'm apparently one of the only players in DUst who has been able to kill a 1.7 HAV with swarms consistently since it's release, and stating that is self promotion? Somewhat, but that's beside the point.
Instead of crying, you can try different things. picking a spot, firing at a HAV as soon as you can regardless of where it is doesn't work anymore. actively looking for said vehicles, stalking them down, waiting for the perfect moment where you can probably do the most damage in a certain time frame, and act on that moment. Miss that opportunity, or attack too soon, and the vehicle escapes.
There's many ways to do this as well, for AV. My favorite method AV, doing it solo, grab a wiki swarm, some fluxes, and if you can, RE's and a nanohive. If not, just the RE's. You'll need a LAV as well. Stalk the HAV down, wait until those hardeners go off, then speed towards it, hop out, and hit it with all you got. Works almost every time for me. If you have a buddy (2 works better), then set one off in front of the path of the HAV, one behind it, and you do as you did before. with a bit of practice, you'll be killing them faster than you would with the solo method. Plus, they usually get confused as their escape routes are mostly gone. |
Roger Cordill
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
263
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Posted - 2013.12.16 00:34:00 -
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Malice TheRipper wrote:Roger Cordill wrote:Malice TheRipper wrote:Woka II wrote:Don't mind him, he's thinks too highly of himself. He does have a point with the buffs you're asking for. Also you don't necessarily have to kill a tank, if you can keep him busy you're helping your team. Yeh i know he's talking bull...but I dunno..like i know i can make them buzz off for intervals..but i wanna kill them! like cost them money which would even further make them regret bringing out more tanks, I personally like quelling the issues, but it is insanely harder to do that now with these tank buffs...so i, kinda wanted some equally insane tank busters message from Godin: 1: No, no I am not. 2: If you want to kill them, as I have said, get good, There's several ways to kill a HAV. It all depends on the HAV in question. The first step is to figure out it's fit. Once you do that, it's a piece of cake. 3: Making something broken instead of fixing a small glitch and adjusting the speed is just plain stupid. 1...still havent shown up to kill my tanks for me so..yes...yes you are... 2. It's not as easy as just knowing what tank to hit and adapting, you may not have/be near a supply depot, or even if you do have the right fit, you would have t somehow still be able to get through it's ridiculously large amount of hp (mind you these are supposed to be MILITIA) in order to kill it before it blasts off, and unless you're always at some type of godly vantage point you cannot stalk a ******* tank unless you also have a HAV at hand...and you'd still have to go through this agonizing ritual or getting out and trying to shoot the thing before it speeds off, stupid ass. not to mention not everyone has the proto gear to even get close to doing what i just said to take out the over abundant super difficult than needed to kill them...its not about getting good, moreso about getting smart..and even if you're smart you have to be in very specific conditions. ...but its always easier for biachs to talk instead of do <,<... And yes something is op when its a very particular aspect, at very low cost/risk, that is harder to kill than it should effectively be..gosh...biaches..always talking about shyt they dont know but still wanna have the biggest ****...
message from Godin:
Read my new post and go to sleep.
Actually, scratch that, stay up for a bit.
I don't know piloting and AVing? Really? From a guy who used to Forge a good 5-7 hours or so a day, and who's probably piloted any vehicle longer than you have played period, I think I know more than a thing or two. ignorant little scrub thinks he knows something but doesn't know ****. |
Woka II
Ultramarine Corp
5
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Posted - 2013.12.16 01:22:00 -
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Roger Cordill wrote:Woka II wrote:Roger Cordill wrote:Malice TheRipper wrote:Woka II wrote:Don't mind him, he's thinks too highly of himself. He does have a point with the buffs you're asking for. Also you don't necessarily have to kill a tank, if you can keep him busy you're helping your team. Yeh i know he's talking bull...but I dunno..like i know i can make them buzz off for intervals..but i wanna kill them! like cost them money which would even further make them regret bringing out more tanks, I personally like quelling the issues, but it is insanely harder to do that now with these tank buffs...so i, kinda wanted some equally insane tank busters message from Godin: 1: No, no I am not. 2: If you want to kill them, as I have said, get good, There's several ways to kill a HAV. It all depends on the HAV in question. The first step is to figure out it's fit. Once you do that, it's a piece of cake. 3: Making something broken instead of fixing a small glitch and adjusting the speed is just plain stupid. Your second argument just invalidated your first one. Saying get good is the same as calling someone a **** player and self promoting. Have you looked at half the stuff you write? You promote your self as this god player that looks down on everyone else. message from Godin: HAv's aren't broken. There's some problems, yes. But they aren't the unkillable monsters that people has called them out to be. And the second statement was a general statement, and a true one at that. Also, I'm apparently one of the only players in DUst who has been able to kill a 1.7 HAV with swarms consistently since it's release, and stating that is self promotion? Somewhat, but that's beside the point. Instead of crying, you can try different things. picking a spot, firing at a HAV as soon as you can regardless of where it is doesn't work anymore. actively looking for said vehicles, stalking them down, waiting for the perfect moment where you can probably do the most damage in a certain time frame, and act on that moment. Miss that opportunity, or attack too soon, and the vehicle escapes. There's many ways to do this as well, for AV. My favorite method AV, doing it solo, grab a wiki swarm, some fluxes, and if you can, RE's and a nanohive. If not, just the RE's. You'll need a LAV as well. Stalk the HAV down, wait until those hardeners go off, then speed towards it, hop out, and hit it with all you got. Works almost every time for me. If you have a buddy (2 works better), then set one off in front of the path of the HAV, one behind it, and you do as you did before. with a bit of practice, you'll be killing them faster than you would with the solo method. Plus, they usually get confused as their escape routes are mostly gone.
I don't remember saying hav's were broken. Well you admitted it somewhat so that's fair I'm a tanker, its my job to know a tank's weaknesses and strengths inside and out, destroy enemy tanks and suppress the infantry , so I'm not crying about not being able to kill hav's. |
Roger Cordill
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
264
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Posted - 2013.12.16 01:34:00 -
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Woka II wrote:
I don't remember saying hav's were broken. Well you admitted it somewhat so that's fair I'm a tanker, its my job to know a tank's weaknesses and strengths inside and out, destroy enemy tanks and suppress the infantry , so I'm not crying about not being able to kill hav's.
message from Godin: When you said my second post invalided the first, you implied that it was. Nor did I admit to they being broken. I clearly said the opposite. Do you need me to buy you some glasses? |
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Woka II
Ultramarine Corp
5
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Posted - 2013.12.16 04:30:00 -
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Roger Cordill wrote:Woka II wrote:
I don't remember saying hav's were broken. Well you admitted it somewhat so that's fair I'm a tanker, its my job to know a tank's weaknesses and strengths inside and out, destroy enemy tanks and suppress the infantry , so I'm not crying about not being able to kill hav's.
message from Godin: When you said my second post invalided the first, you implied that it was. Nor did I admit to they being broken. I clearly said the opposite. Do you need me to buy you some glasses?
I'm stating to the starter of this topic that your ass promotes yourself as this god-like figure and looks down on others and informing him to simply ignore you. You say you don't promote yourself in your first point but your second and third point prove otherwise considering you keep telling others "get good" and calling everyone stupid. You taking pride in killing with swarms is laughable. It means either you're up against a brand new player who doesn't know what the hell he's doing or a "FOTM" like you say. I'm so sorry that was tough for you to comprehend, good sir. Do you need me to get you enrolled in pre-k or maybe get you a legitimate working brain? might save the rest of us a headache considering you can't even talk on the same topic over the span of a few posts or comprehend correctly.
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Ninja Troll
ELITE TROLLS
0
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Posted - 2013.12.16 04:51:00 -
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Malice TheRipper wrote:..but honestly they are a lot **** harder to kill now, and since any match can be filled with 4 of them...to balance this i would suggest at least making av nades and swarmers just as broken as the tanks.
I just played a FW match with 5 tanks on my team. OSG Planetary Ops Corporation had 10 players. It was so boring. |
ladwar
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
1924
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Posted - 2013.12.16 07:01:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:ladwar wrote:Roger Cordill wrote:Malice TheRipper wrote:Roger Cordill wrote:message from Godin: Horrible idea, would make even more problems. Get good
You know, I find it funny that even though I've used swarms at the most 10 hours, it's still easy for me to kill vehicles with them. Maybe I've gotten used to adapting. Film it or it didnt happen... Also no one really gets good, at this game..can aim as well as you want and hit the targets all the time, usually a smaller merc can kill a proto merc by getting good..but sometimes its just the weapns...so cut the bs with the get gud mantra message from Godin: Getting good with AV is a thing. Hint: Don't just stand there like a dumbass. this is true.. most av i kill just stands in the middle of the road without cover and think they'll win in a pure damage stand point.. doesn't happen and should never happen. Maybe you should look at people who are actually good at AV not noobs with militia swarms. would but there is a very few. most are stuck with old mind set that they could out dps a heavy vehicle with an infantry weapon and therefor should win if they fire first, even when active mods are up. with makes no sense. vehicle based weapons should be more powerful then an infantry one.
Level 2 Forum Warrior, retired vet.
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Crimson ShieId
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
11
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Posted - 2014.01.22 00:09:00 -
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Malice TheRipper wrote:Look im not saying the new tanks are bad, i actually find them funny too look at cus they're so damn broken...only in this game will tanks be this much of a joke...but honestly they are a lot **** harder to kill now, and since any match can be filled with 4 of them...to balance this i would suggest at least making av nades and swarmers just as broken as the tanks.
With all the goddamn buffs and sheild tanks have now throwing such weapons now is just a minor irritant, and whem finally tanks do feel the sting they just jet out to go heal themselves...
you dont up the anty on one aspect of a game and not balance it around the universe its in...its ******* bad game design CCP!
Tanks aren't really OP so much as tank spam is. It's easy to bring in five tanks and just completely steamroll even the best of teams, because once those tanks are out, there's not much you can do against them. Swarm launchers probably shouldn't get a buff though, as they're the easiest AV weapon to use (skill wise) and put the user at very little risk overall compared to using a forge gun or plasma cannon. RE's could use a buff, but that's about it. Killing a single tank at this point is actually pretty easy, either bring in another tank or RE the guy with a scout suit, or heck, crash an LAV into him. Main problem at this point really is the pricing. You can load up with a hundred fitted militia tanks for a few million and use them all day with no issues, where as before, a good tank might have been nearly invincible, but you were likely forking over almost a million isk or more for it and militia tanks were **** so there was no real spam in most cases.
Seriously though, try the RE's and a scout suit, or a logi works too, especially if you fit some sprinting mods on. Took out three tanks once in a single match (Can't be sure, but I don't think I died at all either) all militia mind you, but those RE's and the plasma cannon (especially with a few damage mods and proficiency lv5) can be pretty deadly. RE the tank, hit it with the cannon, then detonate the RE's to kill it before they can activate hardeners. Works like a charm. |
LEHON Xeon
Pradox XVI Proficiency V.
92
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Posted - 2014.01.22 00:43:00 -
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I love how so many tankers have the mentality that they should be able to almost instantly kill 5-6 guys in proto suits in buildings or on streets by themselves, but think that it should take at least 2-3 AV people to kill them. Then they say there's nothing wrong with AV and vehicles when nothing outside of tanks or REs really destroys them efficiently, and say I'm cheap with my jihad jeeps. What I think is cheap is people in double and triple hardened madrugars camping installations and spawns in Ambush and Dom going 60-0 in matches without ever loosing more than a single tank.
Necrophillia: That Uncontrollable Urge To Crack Open A Cold One.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
3775
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Posted - 2014.01.22 02:51:00 -
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Roger Cordill wrote:Maybe I've gotten used to adapting. You did?
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
3775
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Posted - 2014.01.22 02:56:00 -
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Roger Cordill wrote: message from Godin: The self-proclaimed good AV'ers that I've seen haven't adapted yet.
Message to Godin: The self-proclaimed "good" pilots never adapted either.
Get off your high horse.
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