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Silas Swakhammer GamersForChrist Orion Empire 284	Posted - 2013.12.15 18:16:00 - [1] - Quote Team killing has become a mess in faction warfare. I know there's a fix coming very soon to address the aggressive banning for accidental team kills. However, purposeful team killing is a bigger issue. Specifically, players should be allowed to defend themselves without fear of negative consequence. Blueberry starts shooting you? You're free to fire back and also kill them without losing points or counting towards friendly fire (blueberry gets a flashing yellow skull). Blueberry kills you or another teammate? They are now free game to anyone on your team for a limited time (blueberry gets a flashing red skull). This could also make for more interesting team killing action. A blueberry runs alongside a few dudes, but then sprays everyone with a few bullets. In the sudden panic, they start spraying him with bullets, but he's jumping around and they miss and hit each other. Suddenly everyone has little grinning skulls. Ta da. Pineapples on pizza.
Stephen Seneca State Patriots Templis Dragonaors 16	Posted - 2013.12.15 19:49:00 - [2] - Quote I like it. +1 For the State! Keep your stick on the ice and get the pucks in deep, eh.
Silas Swakhammer GamersForChrist Orion Empire 288	Posted - 2013.12.16 04:03:00 - [3] - Quote Heyo, looking for some feedback on this idea. Pineapples on pizza.
Minion Max Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.12.16 05:13:00 - [4] - Quote This needs to be in Public Contracts as well,twice tonight it has happened. I have been playing and keeping up and out of the way for over a month, trying to figure out how to use both thumbs. Half way through a battle and surviving and helping out now a team mate comes up and starts Melee or emptying their weapons on me. One of them even thought it would be nice to send me a message and suggested castration. Are some people that butt hurt that they was picked off and or head shot at 400 to 600m by a FPS Noob with only 100 hours on this game that they try to fight a avatar? In 15 years of GT1 -GT6 I have never seen this behavior, we even turned races into demo derbies to give the out skilled drivers a chance to win all in the name of the game. Semper Fi
Silas Swakhammer GamersForChrist Orion Empire 289	Posted - 2013.12.16 05:37:00 - [5] - Quote Minion Max wrote: This needs to be in Public Contracts as well... Public contracts don't have friendly fire enabled. Pineapples on pizza.
KayDidYue Mercenaries On Duty 19	Posted - 2013.12.16 07:20:00 - [6] - Quote Silas Swakhammer wrote: Team killing has become a mess in faction warfare. I know there's a fix coming very soon to address the aggressive banning for accidental team kills. However, purposeful team killing is a bigger issue. Specifically, players should be allowed to defend themselves without fear of negative consequence. Blueberry starts shooting you? You're free to fire back and also kill them without losing points or counting towards friendly fire (blueberry gets a flashing yellow skull). Blueberry kills you or another teammate? They are now free game to anyone on your team for a limited time (blueberry gets a flashing red skull). This could also make for more interesting team killing action. A blueberry runs alongside a few dudes, but then sprays everyone with a few bullets. In the sudden panic, they start spraying him with bullets, but he's jumping around and they miss and hit each other. Suddenly everyone has little grinning skulls. Ta da. Look who's talking! Male or female, noob or pro, my SR is steady, and my trigger ready. Walk or run, if you're in my scope, you will die!
Silas Swakhammer GamersForChrist Orion Empire 291	Posted - 2013.12.16 07:30:00 - [7] - Quote KayDidYue wrote: Look who's talking! o.O Pineapples on pizza.
KayDidYue Mercenaries On Duty 19	Posted - 2013.12.16 07:36:00 - [8] - Quote Silas Swakhammer wrote: KayDidYue wrote: Look who's talking! o.O Maybe some friendly fire on someone is from those that know those that do friendly fire on teammates. Male or female, noob or pro, my SR is steady, and my trigger ready. Walk or run, if you're in my scope, you will die!
Echoist Fenrir's Wolves Zero-Day 101	Posted - 2013.12.16 08:08:00 - [9] - Quote This would a pretty bad idea cause imagine someone using a grenade or mass driver in CQC and then having half the team hunt you down, also this would take away from the focus on capturing the objectives in FW. Also what about when they do it on accident and didn't mean to shoot friendly, so now the person who was actually playing the game right gets punished because blueberries can't learn to walk behind the person firing a gun. Not to mention when blueberries purposely run infront of your line of fire just so they can get an easy kill, not be punished for it and are able to troll all day long... Yeah I'm going to stick with how it is now. Noobasaures: "Rawr"
Draco Cerberus BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 609	Posted - 2013.12.16 14:20:00 - [10] - Quote Silas Swakhammer wrote: Minion Max wrote: This needs to be in Public Contracts as well... Public contracts don't have friendly fire enabled. It should be... also no bans for team killing. If someone is Jenzaing then the onus should be on the team to kill them not a fail mechanic. LogiGod earns his pips

Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 355	Posted - 2013.12.16 14:25:00 - [11] - Quote Echoist wrote: This would a pretty bad idea cause imagine someone using a grenade or mass driver in CQC and then having half the team hunt you down, also this would take away from the focus on capturing the objectives in FW. Also what about when they do it on accident and didn't mean to shoot friendly, so now the person who was actually playing the game right gets punished because blueberries can't learn to walk behind the person firing a gun. Not to mention when blueberries purposely run infront of your line of fire just so they can get an easy kill, not be punished for it and are able to troll all day long... Yeah I'm going to stick with how it is now. This leaves the problem that you can't defend yourself against Teamkills if you shoot back there is the risk of getting banned. So you only hope is to either get away or let him kill you and punish him hoping that he gets enough punishments to get bootet. And with the buggy revival thing its even possible to TK without fear of punishment.
Draco Cerberus BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 609	Posted - 2013.12.16 14:25:00 - [12] - Quote Echoist wrote: This would a pretty bad idea cause imagine someone using a grenade or mass driver in CQC and then having half the team hunt you down, also this would take away from the focus on capturing the objectives in FW. Also what about when they do it on accident and didn't mean to shoot friendly, so now the person who was actually playing the game right gets punished because blueberries can't learn to walk behind the person firing a gun. Not to mention when blueberries purposely run infront of your line of fire just so they can get an easy kill, not be punished for it and are able to troll all day long... Yeah I'm going to stick with how it is now. Ah but if you take away the fail ban then the guy jumping in front will have a squad plus an enemy team chasing them down and it turns into a regular day in new eden where the players enforce the fire team rules of don't shoot your neighbor unless he is trying to kill you. LogiGod earns his pips
xAckie Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 382	Posted - 2013.12.16 14:44:00 - [13] - Quote CCP needs to put in Vote to Kick - it would solve this
Jack Boost Zarena Family 289	Posted - 2013.12.16 14:51:00 - [14] - Quote More statistics for you :) last day I was killed (just for someones fun) 6 times in match by some team.. and they still in game... I depleted/removed 6 nanohives... and I got ban :) So.. have a nice game CCP.
Draco Cerberus BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 610	Posted - 2013.12.16 18:20:00 - [15] - Quote There are quite often perfectly legitimate reasons for removing spam links and spam hives too, such as killing lag fests to be able to move/strafe/shoot/kill. The ban should really go and the skull designation replace it. Welcome to Low Sec, never seen anyone banned from LS before. LogiGod earns his pips
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance 4149	Posted - 2013.12.16 19:45:00 - [16] - Quote Silas Swakhammer wrote: Team killing has become a mess in faction warfare. I know there's a fix coming very soon to address the aggressive banning for accidental team kills. However, purposeful team killing is a bigger issue. Specifically, players should be allowed to defend themselves without fear of negative consequence. Blueberry starts shooting you? You're free to fire back and also kill them without losing points or counting towards friendly fire (blueberry gets a flashing yellow skull). Blueberry kills you or another teammate? They are now free game to anyone on your team for a limited time (blueberry gets a flashing red skull). This could also make for more interesting team killing action. A blueberry runs alongside a few dudes, but then sprays everyone with a few bullets. In the sudden panic, they start spraying him with bullets, but he's jumping around and they miss and hit each other. Suddenly everyone has little grinning skulls. Ta da. Good start but it doesn't do jack for clone count. Editted so it didn't come off as abrasive. forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m= (Frames)1544109 (Advertisement)1556863 (Packs)1570030 (Lag Hunt) 1570201
Silas Swakhammer GamersForChrist Orion Empire 299	Posted - 2013.12.16 21:23:00 - [17] - Quote Added some edits and an idea that came to me in a vivid epiphany while I was washing my hair. Aeon Amadi wrote: Good start but it doesn't do jack for clone count. Editted so it didn't come off as abrasive. 10 suicides? Kicked from match. Pineapples on pizza.
Silas Swakhammer GamersForChrist Orion Empire 299	Posted - 2013.12.16 21:34:00 - [18] - Quote Echoist wrote: This would a pretty bad idea cause imagine someone using a grenade or mass driver in CQC and then having half the team hunt you down. If you're gonna use wide area-of-effect weapons in close quarters, you better know what you're doing. These ain't pubs. Echoist wrote: Also what about when they do it on accident and didn't mean to shoot friendly.... Don't shoot friendlies, these ain't pubs. Echoist wrote: Not to mention when blueberries purposely run infront of your line of fire just so they can get an easy kill, not be punished for it and are able to troll all day long... Actually, this is how I imagine future saboteurs to act: jumping in front on friendly fire, shielding reds and punishing blues. Pineapples on pizza.
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance 4152	Posted - 2013.12.16 21:41:00 - [19] - Quote Silas Swakhammer wrote: Added some edits and an idea that came to me in a vivid epiphany while I was washing my hair. Aeon Amadi wrote: Good start but it doesn't do jack for clone count. Editted so it didn't come off as abrasive. 10 suicides? Kicked from match. Should be less. 150/10 = 15. Assuming fairness, each player on a 16 man team should only die nine (9) times to clone out the team. I'd say kick them for 8 suicides. Still way more than one could honestly accomplish accidentally and it wouldn't have such a driving impact on the team as a whole. forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m= (Frames)1544109 (Advertisement)1556863 (Packs)1570030 (Lag Hunt) 1570201
Silas Swakhammer GamersForChrist Orion Empire 302	Posted - 2013.12.17 16:57:00 - [20] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Silas Swakhammer wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Good start but it doesn't do jack for clone count. Editted so it didn't come off as abrasive. 10 suicides? Kicked from match. Should be less. 150/10 = 15. Assuming fairness, each player on a 16 man team should only die nine (9) times to clone out the team. I'd say kick them for 8 suicides. Still way more than one could honestly accomplish accidentally and it wouldn't have such a driving impact on the team as a whole. I would assume that the 'suicide counter' isn't just for suicides by menu. Pineapples on pizza.

Minion Max Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.12.18 06:00:00 - [21] - Quote Being I grew up as a Army brat and I am a Marine, behavior like this baffles me. Yes, I know it is a game, but the ignorant need to be dealt with, some of the calls would be a team decision to ban, Other rules would be CCP, Two pancakes and your done for the fight, dropped from 3 fights and your day is over. 10 FF deaths and your out a week if any previous bans have happened, excluding hit and crush, grenade and long range artillery fire. Battle intel is all there, CCP only gives a basic report to up. From trigger to impact: direction, distance and target are all recorded for payout. Semper Fi. Cpl, 87-95
m621 zma OMFGZOMBIESRUN 66	Posted - 2013.12.18 13:38:00 - [22] - Quote Maybe they should work in some kind of 'kill right' system like EVE has?


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