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Oswald Rehnquist wrote:

The reason min and gals have to wait 2-10 mins for matches is because of the sheer population difference, which is caused by the Hollywood effect, the Caldari and the Amarr are not what flies by in Hollywood and CCP is a victim of its own storytelling, CCP literally use the words evil and misery when describing the Amarr and the Caldari respectively.

If you talk to your average person about the Caldari its, fascist and corporations, despite the fact that they are one of the most decentralized faction in the game and all of the 4 factions are corp based and zero info given in any intros about them being separatists. The Amarr have the slave thing, oh yeah and they're religious!!! Shocked

Despite the fact they are literally antiquity of Rome operating in New Eden, which absorbed defeated populations into their own people and not the slavery we associate with in the New World, Amarr also have the best scientists in New Eden but that isn't touched upon either.

Of course when you go into the other intros its literally has none of there negatives, just there positives. So the Hollywood effect takes place in where people throw in there support, especially when this games target audience is 16-24, which the Hollywood effect is strongest.
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But the point of the matter is that many of the major corps are on one side, and it is they who determine what is easy or hard mode. So the question is why are they are on one side, and I think it has a little bit to do with the lore initially, followed by not wanting for fight other major corps for easy wins.

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TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 163	Posted - 2013.12.16 14:04:00 - [31] - Quote I'm a dedicated Minmatar soldier and have been for a while, I got into because at the time the Amarr side was pretty OP and my choice, was to play against the tougher side to improve my own skills now...... SCOTTY !!! won't let me into my own factions FW, and when he does we redline, it doesn't add up to the intense battles I have been thrown into in the past as a democratic corp leader I have being helping in Caldari FW and daayyuuuummm !!!!! It is total madness, the Gallente side is stomping almost everytime Caldari blue dots from 7th downwards getting 0/10 , its gay I hope FW picks up the pace on being competitive again, and if it's a case that people are joining Minmatar/Gallente to be on the wiining side.. which I think it could be ..... then HTFU and start fighting battles against the tough teams rather than hide behind them
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1443	Posted - 2013.12.16 14:15:00 - [32] - Quote Rudoc just had another good suggestion for fixing it in irc. Rather than locking districts, make it so that each faction has a pool of available clones for fighting battles. The more districts you own the more thinly they're spread, meaning you have fewer clones available to you in battle. Though from what I've seen of the newberries they often have a hard time managing to kill more than 10 people.
Oswald Rehnquist 893	Posted - 2013.12.16 14:27:00 - [33] - Quote The reason min and gals have to wait 2-10 mins for matches is because of the sheer population difference, which is caused by the Hollywood effect, the Caldari and the Amarr are not what flies by in Hollywood and CCP is a victim of its own storytelling, CCP literally use the words evil and misery when describing the Amarr and the Caldari respectively. If you talk to your average person about the Caldari its, fascist and corporations, despite the fact that they are one of the second most decentralized faction in the game and all of the 4 factions are corp based and zero info given in any intros about them being separatists. The Amarr have the slave thing, oh yeah and they're religious!!! Despite the fact they are literally antiquity of Rome operating in New Eden, which absorbed defeated populations into their own people. Of course when you go into the other intros its literally has none of there negatives, just there positives. So the Hollywood effect takes place in where people throw in there support, especially when this games target audience is 16-24, which the Hollywood effect is strongest. In the matches 13 matches we played we won 11 of them because we squaded up so any major corp worth its weight would be able to fight for anybody and win. We went up against squads consisting of Ancient Exiles, Dem Durty Boyz, Synergy, Ghost Assimilation, Southern Legion, etc. Sometimes we actually fought against two stacked corp squads (ghost assimilation + other stacked corps) Yet there weren't any stacked corps fighting for the caldari, for the entire night. We looked like a bunch of unaffiliated randoms, but obviously we were running a squad to get those victories, I"m sure many of them were scratching their heads wondering why they were losing to what seemed like a bunch of randoms that or getting extremely mad at their blues. Dem Durty Boyz gave us a run for our money and almost took us down while Southern Legion kicked our asses. I think the two times we fought AE, they kicked our asses in one of the matches and gave us that other loss. But the point of the matter is that many of the major corps are on one side, and it is they who determine what is easy or hard mode. So the question is why are they are on one side, and I think it has a little bit to do with the lore initially, followed by not wanting for fight other major corps for easy wins. Below 28 dB
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1266	Posted - 2013.12.16 14:30:00 - [34] - Quote I'm fighting Minmatar/Gallente because of one part lolRP (long-time Minnie EVE player) and one part I like the faction equipment better. I'll agree the predictable curb stomp isn't fun. Though I have seen some organized and tenacious teams on the Amarr side latelyGÇª Seems like they get six people who fight like hell, use tactics and won't give up, but then they're sabotaged by ignorant blues. Possible solutions I see: - Buff Amarr/Caldari LP store options? - Tutorial for selecting faction before being able to join FW - Embrace the meta: some Amarr or Caldari player with deep pockets needs to hire XERg or the like to screw with Min/Gal factions ¶Gêƒ__ Gò« Gû¿GûêGûêGûêGòáGëíGëíGëíGû¬ « GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GåÆFAT GATGåÉ pÇûGûôGûôGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæpÇùForum Warrior LV 1 (NEXT: 200/1000XP) ¯Gò¦pÇôpÇù
Guinevere Bravo SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 509	Posted - 2013.12.16 14:33:00 - [35] - Quote Good > Evil. Thats all we need to know.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1773	Posted - 2013.12.16 14:34:00 - [36] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Winmatar = Easy Gallente = Normal Amarr = Hard Caldari = Hope you brought 2 full squads Discuss. Agreed, I enlisted swamp to help caldari in fw, I find them hardest mode because they lack any kind of teamwork and logis most of the time, its awful. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1773	Posted - 2013.12.16 14:37:00 - [37] - Quote The biggest problem is see for caldari and amarr is that they just don't have the motivation to win, they don't go all out and just seems like a collection of stat padders who snipe the moment it gets tough. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
Oswald Rehnquist 894	Posted - 2013.12.16 14:53:00 - [38] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: The biggest problem is see for caldari and amarr is that they just don't have the motivation to win, they don't go all out and just seems like a collection of stat padders who snipe the moment it gets tough. All the major corps are on one side, we even fought people whose corps are suppose to be caldari, you rarely see major corps wasting resources fighting each other in FW. I find it a little harsh to believe that the little people are suppose to fight thy largest and strongest corps in the game without getting broken. Couple that with Sgt. Kirks suicide squads that he is funding and things become even harder for the little guys over here. The people I squad with are die hard Caldari loyalist or mercs who are very hungry for State RRs, so they throw everything into the fire, take orders, etc, but the sheer opposition is intense. Below 28 dB
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3596	Posted - 2013.12.16 14:54:00 - [39] - Quote I've seen the Caldari lose with two full squads against randoms. At this point you can't even blame the game for it, Caldari players are just awful.
Ghost Kaisar Kinsho Swords Caldari State 1183	Posted - 2013.12.16 14:59:00 - [40] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: I'm fighting Minmatar/Gallente because of one part lolRP (long-time Minnie EVE player) and one part I like the faction equipment better. I'll agree the predictable curb stomp isn't fun. Though I have seen some organized and tenacious teams on the Amarr side latelyGÇª Seems like they get six people who fight like hell, use tactics and won't give up, but then they're sabotaged by ignorant blues. Possible solutions I see: - Buff Amarr/Caldari LP store options? - Tutorial for selecting faction before being able to join FW - Embrace the meta: some Amarr or Caldari player with deep pockets needs to hire XERg or the like to screw with Min/Gal factions As much as I would hate for that to happen, I would love to have a decent battle. Also, I did play a good round verse some Scions in FW yesterday (or was it day before....), they fought REALLY hard, but we pulled off the win though superior defense. For those who don't know, Offense may get you letters, but Defense wins games. My advice for other FW factions is to let your squads hold the objectives, and let the blueberries try to zerg everything else. Minmatar Faction Warfare: Let's get Organized
Rogue Saint Science For Death 626	Posted - 2013.12.16 15:39:00 - [41] - Quote Palatinate wrote: I agree 100% with this. My squad literally have to go super tryhard mode if we even want to have a chance at winning. Its ridiculous. Isn't that the whole point? Work your hardest to win? If you want something easier try pubs? GôêGÆ+GÆ+GÆ¦ - Bringing the dakka
Rogue Saint Science For Death 626	Posted - 2013.12.16 15:43:00 - [42] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Yeah I'm still getting the occasional win....but most of the time I'm seeing blue dots fumbling around in the deployment zones starter corps......its abominable, I have taken to commissarial duties on an alt, sending messages of encouragement to get into the fight, to try to win, if they continue to **** around I take the pepperoni and I punch it through their heads. Can't believe I'm saying this, but I actually miss the hard matches of the FW event. I suppose that means I miss True too.... OMG I feel sick. GôêGÆ+GÆ+GÆ¦ - Bringing the dakka
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 696	Posted - 2013.12.16 16:09:00 - [43] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: The reason min and gals have to wait 2-10 mins for matches is because of the sheer population difference, which is caused by the Hollywood effect, the Caldari and the Amarr are not what flies by in Hollywood and CCP is a victim of its own storytelling, CCP literally use the words evil and misery when describing the Amarr and the Caldari respectively. If you talk to your average person about the Caldari its, fascist and corporations, despite the fact that they are one of the most decentralized faction in the game and all of the 4 factions are corp based and zero info given in any intros about them being separatists. The Amarr have the slave thing, oh yeah and they're religious!!! Despite the fact they are literally antiquity of Rome operating in New Eden, which absorbed defeated populations into their own people and not the slavery we associate with in the New World, Amarr also have the best scientists in New Eden but that isn't touched upon either. Of course when you go into the other intros its literally has none of there negatives, just there positives. So the Hollywood effect takes place in where people throw in there support, especially when this games target audience is 16-24, which the Hollywood effect is strongest. ... But the point of the matter is that many of the major corps are on one side, and it is they who determine what is easy or hard mode. So the question is why are they are on one side, and I think it has a little bit to do with the lore initially, followed by not wanting for fight other major corps for easy wins. So true. I always wish I could edit those descriptions, even if only to add the following TL;DR's to relate to the real world; 1) Amarr: I'll go with the above part about Rome, etc. 2) Gallente: Herp derp freeeeeedom. Think George W. Bush's America with even more torture and paternalist imperialism, but less religion. (Maybe calling it ** Cheney's america would be even better, lol) 3) Caldari: Pure capitalism, rebelled from the Gallente because they were treated like second class citizens or even illegal immigrants 4) Minmatar: A race ruled by tribal customs forced to work as indentured servants by the Amarr in a heavy-handed attempt to "civilize" them. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics"** -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 696	Posted - 2013.12.16 16:11:00 - [44] - Quote lol they censored the former Vice President's name. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 242	Posted - 2013.12.16 16:17:00 - [45] - Quote Yep. I see Caldari half-empty matches now at launch, which is an automatic loss. Sometimes I see people jump ship when they know victory is nigh, again an automatic loss. It really is a hard slog - I've tried gathering a squad on those caldari FW channels, but it's hard to gather support because everyone is defeatist, and there's not much orbital support. I got maybe one orbital per 10 games. I get one win about every 5 games - that's with a squad. How can you balance it? Easy - open up the player marketplace. There will be so few caldari specialist railguns available due to the aforementioned lack of wins (lack of LP, so lack of funds to buy quantities of railguns) that the price will skyrocket. Market forces will dictate that people will flock to the caldari to get cheaper railguns and the cycle will begin again. At least I hope it does. :)
Bad Heal PwNdCaKeSnRapLeSyrup 102	Posted - 2013.12.16 16:24:00 - [46] - Quote no way to fix the problem either.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 843	Posted - 2013.12.16 16:29:00 - [47] - Quote the squad I was in yesterday was a spark of hope for the Caldari FW. out of 10 matches, we won 9. Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 833	Posted - 2013.12.16 16:35:00 - [48] - Quote Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one fighting. Every other point would flip to red, except for the one I'm defending.. Then.... the hords come. For every galente I kill, 2 more tale his place. Then there are tanks that circle the area like sharks. 2 minutes in, I'm still alive some how, and I still have the objective. But WHERE THE ** IS MY TEAM?! Oh... they're red line sniping CALDARI not so MASTER RACE** Forum Warrior Level: 10
Palatinate Fatal Absolution 122	Posted - 2013.12.17 01:25:00 - [49] - Quote Rogue Saint wrote: Palatinate wrote: I agree 100% with this. My squad literally have to go super tryhard mode if we even want to have a chance at winning. Its ridiculous. Isn't that the whole point? Work your hardest to win? If you want something easier try pubs? Nope, still going hard for the Caldari. Nice to see though that I see Science for Death trying to stomp in pubs and FW but sadly your corpmates are too bad to hold their own. Besides I only see y'all in pubs stomping militia/standard fits, have y'all even tried PC? Guess it doesn't matter since y'all would get rofl stomped out of it anyways. Come into PC and "survive" than I wont hold your posts into the "irrelevant" category anymore. Stupid people will never change, you can try but that's just stupid. - Palatinate
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 2137	Posted - 2013.12.17 01:27:00 - [50] - Quote Palatinate wrote: Rogue Saint wrote: Palatinate wrote: I agree 100% with this. My squad literally have to go super tryhard mode if we even want to have a chance at winning. Its ridiculous. Isn't that the whole point? Work your hardest to win? If you want something easier try pubs? Nope, still going hard for the Caldari. Nice to see though that I see Science for Death trying to stomp in pubs and FW but sadly your corpmates are too bad to hold their own. Besides I only see y'all in pubs stomping militia/standard fits, have y'all even tried PC? Guess it doesn't matter since y'all would get rofl stomped out of it anyways. Come into PC and "survive" than I wont hold your posts into the "irrelevant" category anymore. Lol.... The Caldari have more supporters now though. I've actually lost a couple Gallente rounds today When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE! nú+
Palatinate Fatal Absolution 124	Posted - 2013.12.17 01:31:00 - [51] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Palatinate wrote: Rogue Saint wrote: Palatinate wrote: I agree 100% with this. My squad literally have to go super tryhard mode if we even want to have a chance at winning. Its ridiculous. Isn't that the whole point? Work your hardest to win? If you want something easier try pubs? Nope, still going hard for the Caldari. Nice to see though that I see Science for Death trying to stomp in pubs and FW but sadly your corpmates are too bad to hold their own. Besides I only see y'all in pubs stomping militia/standard fits, have y'all even tried PC? Guess it doesn't matter since y'all would get rofl stomped out of it anyways. Come into PC and "survive" than I wont hold your posts into the "irrelevant" category anymore. Lol.... The Caldari have more supporters now though. I've actually lost a couple Gallente rounds today Indeed. I'm glad the Caldari are somewhat making a comeback. Can't say the same for our allies the Amarr. Stupid people will never change, you can try but that's just stupid. - Palatinate
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 708	Posted - 2013.12.17 01:32:00 - [52] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Caldari = Hope you brought 2 full squads Or you hire people to sabotage and hinder from within on the opposing side. Probably, the best thing the Caldari have going for it, and against it. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 2141	Posted - 2013.12.17 01:34:00 - [53] - Quote Palatinate wrote: Indeed. I'm glad the Caldari are somewhat making a comeback. Can't say the same for our allies the Amarr. Meh, **** the Amarr. The only reason I've ever played for them and ever will play for them is for the LP rewards. Now I play for the Gallente for the tanks, but it doesn't help when I call out the wrong one in the middle of an Ambush vs The Legend345 :( When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE! nú+
PADDEHATPIGEN BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 105	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:05:00 - [54] - Quote The only items in the LP stores that are better then there isk/aur version are the Spec weapons, the rest are have the exact same stats as there isk/aur version, So the only things worth getting are the spec weapons. (They have lower CPU/PG use) So if you are a Caldari veteran it's very likely that you trained AR's fully as your main weapon, And the only place we can get the LP AR is in the gallante LP store. Who do you think most Caldari vets fight for ? If you are a Amar heavy veteran it's very likely that you are fully trained in FG And HMG, the only place we can get the LP HMG is in the Minmatar LP store, The LP FG does not exist. Who do you think most of the Amar heavy vets fight for ? If you are a SG user you will most likely fight for Gallante as the only place you can get the LP SG is in the Gallante LP store. If you are MD user you want the LP MD and the only place you get it is the Minmatar LP store, the same goes for smg users. Players are forced to fight for Gallante/Minmatar even if they really did not want to In the first place, but it's the ONLY way to get the LP weapon with the low CPU/PG use we ALL want so bad as it's a proto weapon but only uses CPU/PG like the normal advanced version. This is just one more reason they should had given us ALL a full respec.
Leupox Dior Science For Death 9	Posted - 2013.12.25 19:35:00 - [55] - Quote Palatinate wrote: Rogue Saint wrote: Palatinate wrote: I agree 100% with this. My squad literally have to go super tryhard mode if we even want to have a chance at winning. Its ridiculous. Isn't that the whole point? Work your hardest to win? If you want something easier try pubs? Nope, still going hard for the Caldari. Nice to see though that I see Science for Death trying to stomp in pubs and FW but sadly your corpmates are too bad to hold their own. Besides I only see y'all in pubs stomping militia/standard fits, have y'all even tried PC? Guess it doesn't matter since y'all would get rofl stomped out of it anyways. Come into PC and "survive" than I wont hold your posts into the "irrelevant" category anymore. Look better then, in FW and pubs either alone or in a squad I always run a militia suit with a basic or adv weapon and try to militia stomp with it no matter what the opposite side is wearing even if I get assfucked by proto I'll keep trying to destroy proto in militia gear. And with the LP stuff now, I've been running Caldari and Amarr FW solo no matter how hard I get gang raped in those battles and usually still end up in the top 5 at least. So who is nothing holding it on it's own and who's talking irrelevant ****. Only on some occassions I pull out my adv Amarr AV Logi fit in pubs and FW. And proto? Only in PC because my directors demands it. 'Fossil' Militia Minmatar Medium Frame + M209 Assault Submachine Gun Soundcloud
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 748	Posted - 2013.12.25 19:46:00 - [56] - Quote Guinevere Bravo wrote: Good > Evil. Thats all we need to know. Everyone is Evil The Sinwarden
Palatinate Fatal Absolution 159	Posted - 2013.12.27 08:37:00 - [57] - Quote Leupox Dior wrote: Palatinate wrote: Rogue Saint wrote: Palatinate wrote: I agree 100% with this. My squad literally have to go super tryhard mode if we even want to have a chance at winning. Its ridiculous. Isn't that the whole point? Work your hardest to win? If you want something easier try pubs? Nope, still going hard for the Caldari. Nice to see though that I see Science for Death trying to stomp in pubs and FW but sadly your corpmates are too bad to hold their own. Besides I only see y'all in pubs stomping militia/standard fits, have y'all even tried PC? Guess it doesn't matter since y'all would get rofl stomped out of it anyways. Come into PC and "survive" than I wont hold your posts into the "irrelevant" category anymore. Look better then, in FW and pubs either alone or in a squad I always run a militia suit with a basic or adv weapon and try to militia stomp with it no matter what the opposite side is wearing even if I get assfucked by proto I'll keep trying to destroy proto in militia gear. And with the LP stuff now, I've been running Caldari and Amarr FW solo no matter how hard I get gang raped in those battles and usually still end up in the top 5 at least. So who is nothing holding it on it's own and who's talking irrelevant ****. Only on some occassions I pull out my adv Amarr AV Logi fit in pubs and FW. And proto? Only in PC because my directors demands it. You seem like a masochist too me. Oh, and thanks for your corporations stupidity of losing a cargo hub in 2 matches to us. Y'all should've just backed out of the 1st match after we killed over 250 clones compared to our 70. Stupid people will never change, you can try but that's just stupid. - Palatinate
The Black Art Fatal Absolution 264	Posted - 2013.12.27 10:19:00 - [58] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Palatinate wrote: Indeed. I'm glad the Caldari are somewhat making a comeback. Can't say the same for our allies the Amarr. Meh, **** the Amarr. The only reason I've ever played for them and ever will play for them is for the LP rewards. Now I play for the Gallente for the tanks, but it doesn't help when I call out the wrong one in the middle of an Ambush vs The Legend345 :( Branded as a traitor
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 878	Posted - 2013.12.27 11:03:00 - [59] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Amarr = Pointless in every way, shape, and form. Blueberries don't know how to push objectives, or defend them, and sometimes they don't even know how to press "x" when they jump from the MCC, even though it plainly says "Press X to activate Inertia Dampener" in big, shiny letters on their screen. Pettition: Make inertial dampner message shinier. Maybe with glittery sparkles. Buff passive scans & fix TTK! My Closed Beta Alts - Overlord Ulath, Overlord Bosse, Overlord Zero
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 1209	Posted - 2013.12.27 11:40:00 - [60] - Quote Gal is the easiest, 90% win. "Just another piece of duct tape" *Don't nerf my Bolas Launcher*

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