Tanker teams don't win matches, its the guys on the ground who do.

Sorry for all the AE comments ceopyrex... We are indeed corrupt shhhh the other members don't know :P

We proto stomp and still are bad... :(

Tanks are most definitely OP
I dominate in a 80-90k isk tank that requires 0 SP

Sorry, your boss says they're fine and that you're an elitist.

A staggering amount of people expect to just run the same suit, with the same gun, same equipment, same tactics over and over. These players frankly are stuck in a rut and need to be pulled out of it.

Tankers were just the same, they knew the fits, they knew the tactics and dominated the map making noone want to come at them.

Now a noob in a miltia sica on the redline is as dangerous as one of these players in his complex madrugar, that is balance, those who cannot see this are blind.

AV infantry equipment is also still VERY potent but takes a team to kill a tank now - bet the proto stompers hate that.

TBH i really dont get what peoples issues are with this patch, so much has moved forward

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Now a noob in a miltia sica on the redline is as dangerous as one of these players in his complex madrugar, that is balance, those who cannot see this are blind.
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the guy that has a 20% tax on his corp as he proto stomps ALL DAY talks about corrupt CEOs. your a joke kid, sit the **** back. Kujo has about 8% of the amount of isk that i do, and im not even a director. your so idiotic.

so what we protostomp all day? we have nothing else to do with the hefty paychecks we get biweekly. difference between us and you? we EARN our isk, we dont take our whole corp wallet filled with our players taxes to protostomp in pubs.


get out of here clown before i make kalante **** your entire corp in militia gear. ******* scrubs.

Disagree, if we are ever to have a game that isnt so shockingly one dimensional, (infantry vs infantry) there needs to be an opening up of tanks and dropships so that if people want, they can swarm with them. This is the EVE way.

We spent all night tonight sitting in tanks in a gang at the redline waiting for other tanks to come in, we then raced to them, engaged and retreated. We didnt win all the engagement and our opponents were doing exactly the same, it was perhaps one of the most enjoyable times i have had in this game.

CCP did exactly the right thing with this patch, opening up tanks to anyone who wants to use them AND still be competative. The elitists hate this but screw it, im all for it if it makes people play the game more.

also ALL av, not just fg should be able to take on a tank.

swarms are useless and av nades at proto should be able to take out an std tank.

you think that PC is the only way to hinder a corp?

starting tomorrow i will start team deploying into both caldari and gallante FW and making sure that any TULODS are properly griefed and lose every game.

on top of that anyone with information on when pyrex plays, insider information on TULODS, and what he usually likes to run will be properly compensated.

that is all.

P.S your about to see how much of a D*cklord i really am ;)

That money belonged to the A team members of hellstorm that went with kujo to form What the Flux, then eventually form AE. Some of it was from donations (several of hellstorm's A team ran militia for the last few weeks of chrome to get that isk) and the rest was the isk they earned from the war with ROFL that had yet to be paid out. If Kujo was stealing what wasn't his, why would he only take a portion of the wallet? Why didn't he take it all if he was intentionally stealing what didn't belong to him and those that were going to leave with him?

Because he was one of a few people who stole from the wallet, I won't mention any names lol.

Disagree, if we are ever to have a game that isnt so shockingly one dimensional, (infantry vs infantry) there needs to be an opening up of tanks and dropships so that if people want, they can swarm with them. This is the EVE way.

We spent all night tonight sitting in tanks in a gang at the redline waiting for other tanks to come in, we then raced to them, engaged and retreated. We didnt win all the engagement and our opponents were doing exactly the same, it was perhaps one of the most enjoyable times i have had in this game.

CCP did exactly the right thing with this patch, opening up tanks to anyone who wants to use them AND still be competative. The elitists hate this but screw it, im all for it if it makes people play the game more.

After what i believe was 12 games tonight, i am utterly convinced this is the finest patch yet for Dust 514. And here is why:

1 - Tanks are balanced - i know a lot of you forge gunners are whinging at having to be A) good and B) quick to kill a tank but frankly its balanced better than it ever has been. Tanks are not OP, far from it and they are as vulnerable to AV and turrets as ever before. There are no super fits, no super clever ass hattery at all to make tanks insane, they are simply balanced now, period.

2 - FW is hilarious - Friendly fire is pretty funny, sure its annoying, had someone shotgun reviving me over and over as he thought it was funny until i shot him in the face as rezed. FW is a wonderful place now and makes the game feel so much bigger. Orbitals are simply amazing and i'm already starting to feel the connection with the EVE dudes in orbit. I love it

3 - The Guns and Aim Assist feel a huge amount more balanced, scrambler rifles taking on rail rifles et al, it all feels as if its the skill with the weapon that will make that difference now.

4 - Scouts work again, seriously why cant people see this? i am running scout and doing very well

5 - The tryhards (i.e. Weezer from Ancient Exiles) are draining the game nicely of Aurum gear and isk, ISK sinks are a dangerous thing in any game and having Dusts isk reserves depleted through FW will mean soon that even the tryhards (AE) will soon be out of money cept their corrupt, hoarding CEOs who will plead poverty.

6 - TANK GANGS - OMG fun

so in conclusion, this patch is excellent for the average Joe Schmoes like me who were never really elite at anything, now tanks are as open as ever, guns and suits feel good and compliment players skills and not over the top with aim assist and generally the game feels like a much more open and exciting world.

GG CCP all round

If you disagree, you were likely an elitist protostomper whose special tactic or trick no longer works and no amount of whining will bring it back, adapt or leave the game, thanks.

Luv CEO

This. You can tankstomp the opposition, doesn't mean you win. I've had tank dominance in almost every match I've played recently (the rest were generally matches with Nyain, or where I was outnumbered by good tankers). I've done it solo, or with up to two other tanks on my side.
But my win/loss ratio approaches 50% (in no small part thanks to Amarr FW, but hey).
Played a Dom yesterday with four tanks on my side and none on theirs. Two blues with MLT, my squaddie running anti-infantry, and me who was AV. For the whole match we had tank superiority. At the end, my squaddie went 25-0 and we lost. They didn't have a vehicle on the field for more than a minute at a time.

Winning has nothing to do with tanks, and everything to do with your blues.