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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui KOBAYASHI MARU PROJECT 201	Posted - 2013.12.14 19:44:00 - [1] - Quote Like I said , five shots and your dead and sometimes it's less than that . It doesn't matter how many HP's you have and even if your a Heavy , the same can be said . If you can't run your done and there's NO longevity in these matches , it's just get shot and die and watch the clone count decrease . Seven , Eight and sometimes even a Thousand HP's don't even matter so why try to place extra " buffers " between yourself and the inevitable ??? Placed most of my skill points into my core and to place any scanner on my fits would compromise me , skill increases really don't help my suit scanner so to place any of the mods that came with the skill set would compromise me again . Seems that was the ONLY thing that the skill set is really for , is to unlock extra mods because the increases are NOT NOTICEABLE . Following someone around with a scanner is futile and I would have thought that addressing my core skills would actually make a difference but the only actual difference is now I can place the better mods on a fit but at a price of defense or offense but I guess if I did so I could run or prepare to fight and place myself in a better position . With the NEW shield penalty it makes one more hurdle to jump over as well as not being able to place enough armor and armor reps on a fit . Guess if I was a Gal character then this might not be such a problem . Guess one lives ( not very long in Dust ) and one learns . " BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4161	Posted - 2013.12.14 20:06:00 - [2] - Quote Five shots and my dead what? More seriously though, yes, this is what everyone means when we say "TTK is too short". TTK is Time To Kill. It doesn't take long enough to kill another player. One of the great things about the game before 1.7 was always that you had enough time to figure out WHY you died in most situations. Before, long TTK was frustrating, because a large part of the reason for it to be long was the fact that your shots weren't registering. Now, that same TTK with improved hit detection would actually be ideal. You're landing hits, but not instantly obliterating the victim of your fire. It should take a few hits from most weapons to kill. Shotguns and Sniper Rifles should still have one-shot potential in many situations, because that's their role, but the main frontline Rifles, and some of the other rapid-fire weapons, need to be toned down a little, so players can actually get hit and still have a chance to make it to cover or start returning fire before melting.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui KOBAYASHI MARU PROJECT 202	Posted - 2013.12.14 20:11:00 - [3] - Quote I like The D1CK's post titled , " It's all OP " and it's true too . Most people give their individual reasons but forget the plain and simple truth's . The fact that CCP is going to do NOTHING about any of this . " BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui KOBAYASHI MARU PROJECT 202	Posted - 2013.12.14 20:19:00 - [4] - Quote People are melting like a snowman in the summer heat . We do have armor and shields . They show them on the actual character's suits . THEY DO NOTHING !!!!! Shield are BY FAR the weakest items on the game and break in a stone's throw . Armor is WAY STRONGER ( but it still melts easily as well ) and if you take the supposed weapons perspective's into account , none do any of what is advertised ( some better on shield's and some better on armor ) but they all kill just as fast though . It's all a joke and it's not even funny and tactic's has nothing to do with the simple fact that there are flaws that are not being addressed but instead they just make and add new ( flawed ) items into the market to divert your attention because they know how easily that most of you move away from one topic or point to another and are easily distracted as well as intercommunity insults and fighting as well . " BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!
7 Djin Duvolle Banks 12	Posted - 2013.12.14 20:21:00 - [5] - Quote I just want to scream TTK is too short! Because this is the truth.
Amarrian command AMARR ELITE CORPS 6	Posted - 2013.12.14 20:31:00 - [6] - Quote no... your dead... ima BOSS. Join the ELITE
BrownEye1129 Death In Xcess Corporation 130	Posted - 2013.12.14 20:43:00 - [7] - Quote TTK is a bit short for my taste. Another thing you have to keep in mind, "How many different people were hitting you". It seems most of us forget we are taking damage from 2 sometimes 3 or 4 sources at any given time. The problem I witnessed last night was blues running TOO CLOSE TOGETHER. It isn't hard to kill when merc are following the same path, or defending a point within the same 10-15mpath area. Once you spread out a bit and LURE the enemy into a kill zone it is much easier. Make sure you aren't the one being lured into a killzone that 3 reds are watching.
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1204	Posted - 2013.12.14 20:51:00 - [8] - Quote Back in closed beta, the most vocal members of the forum whined and whined and whined some more about the "TTK being too long", "combat was slow and sluggish", "felt like you were firing pea guns". Ironically the people who did the most whining, arn't here anymore. Just sayin'. "We spent so much time huddling inside buildings with tanks circling outside like a swarm of sharks around bait"
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4164	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:05:00 - [9] - Quote iceyburnz wrote: Back in closed beta, the most vocal members of the forum whined and whined and whined some more about the "TTK being too long", "combat was slow and sluggish", "felt like you were firing pea guns". Ironically the people who did the most whining, arn't here anymore. Just sayin'. Remember the dev quote about how long TTK is no fun IF IT'S FOR THE WRONG REASONS? Keep that last part in mind, it's rather important. -closed beta vet who DIDN'T complain about long TTK, but complained about poor hit detection and massive tier imbalances making the TTK long in the wrong ways
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1207	Posted - 2013.12.15 12:56:00 - [10] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: -closed beta vet who DIDN'T complain about long TTK, but complained about poor hit detection and massive tier imbalances making the TTK long in the wrong ways I liked the longer TTKs, felt like you were a futuristic merc in a high tech battlesuit. "We spent so much time huddling inside buildings with tanks circling outside like a swarm of sharks around bait"

Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1221	Posted - 2013.12.15 13:04:00 - [11] - Quote Like remmnant said in his interview, we don't want a TTK thats too long, it just becomes Proto Suits Bunny Hoping through scores of noobs, but at the same time we don't wan't it too short, otherwise it becomes down who gets the first shot! It needs to be short enough, that you can be killed relatively easily when you are caught out, but long enough that firefights become drawn out, that tactics, skill, attrition, and logistics can all potentially come into play in every firefight. Unfortunately this sweet spot is INCREDIBLY hard to find, we just have to hope CCP realise they are currently on the 'too short' end of the spectrum! Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 501	Posted - 2013.12.15 13:11:00 - [12] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Like remmnant said in his interview, we don't want a TTK thats too long, it just becomes Proto Suits Bunny Hoping through scores of noobs, but at the same time we don't wan't it too short, otherwise it becomes down who gets the first shot! It needs to be short enough, that you can be killed relatively easily when you are caught out, but long enough that firefights become drawn out, that tactics, skill, attrition, and logistics can all potentially come into play in every firefight. Unfortunately this sweet spot is INCREDIBLY hard to find, we just have to hope CCP realise they are currently on the 'too short' end of the spectrum! Well said, +1. I think CCP does realize, the Devs have said as much. I think they are struggling to figure out what the sweetspot is and how can they get there without a buff/nerf/buff cycle. They want to make this a one time fix because yoyoing will ultimately cost time, money, dev, and player frustration.
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 2217	Posted - 2013.12.15 13:21:00 - [13] - Quote If EWAR wasn't instant win with scanners it'd be a different story. There's a killstreak in CoD: Black Ops that we call the Blackbird. Basically a recon plane that shows the exact position and movement of all enemies. Sound familiar? Except almost every player can invest in a Quantum Active Scanner in DUST, but not everyone can get an 8 killstreak in CoD. In this regard, CoD is actually doing better than DUST with controlling players' access to determining the enemies' movements. It is currently too easy to find people (even scouts), and as such very easy to kill them. Secondly, TTK fluctuates from really long to really short. The new rifles allow engagements at around 50-80m, with the Rail Rifle topping at a whopping 90-100m. At these ranges, though, people can easily get away from enemy fire and pelt the enemy ineffectively with their own fire. I can stay alive for a minute or so under enemy fire at this range, just because both sides are stupidly trading fire and not moving. In close ranges, TTK is indeed short, but hell, it's meant to be. Miniscule aiming differences, and individual player movements, determine these encounters, as it should be. Modules should not mean a protostomper is guaranteed a win over a militia user if the militia guy catches the protobear in the rear. Thirdly, grenades are still pretty damn effective. Just sayin'. I would like them to be nerfed and my reason is twofold: both so we see more variety in terms of PC grenade usage AND so we don't harm each other too much in FW/PC. "When nothing is going your way, go out of your way to do nothing."
Slash Frenzy United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 14	Posted - 2013.12.15 14:39:00 - [14] - Quote TTK is not to short, you just have to get used to three points: - Intel is KING - Teamplay is vital - Cover is the best HP you can hope for I rest my case.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4186	Posted - 2013.12.16 08:00:00 - [15] - Quote iceyburnz wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: -closed beta vet who DIDN'T complain about long TTK, but complained about poor hit detection and massive tier imbalances making the TTK long in the wrong ways I liked the longer TTKs, felt like you were a futuristic merc in a high tech battlesuit. I liked the longer TTKs. I didn't like the times when bullets hit and dealt no damage, or didn't even appear to hit when my Shotgun was point-blank practically attached to my target's face. I didn't like throwing a grenade and watching it explode with 2 - 3 people in the blast radius who took no damage. I didn't like emptying an entire AR mag into someone and only landing 3 bullets. I didn't like having to empty literally a full SMG mag then reload to get the last couple of hits that it needs to kill someone because even though I watched every bullet impact on the target, only about 10% of "hits" actually registered as damage. Taking a decent amount of time to land a kill is good when it's for the right reasons. Bad hit detection isn't the right reasons. With hit detection fixed, toning down some of the harder-hitting full-auto weapons should allow for a good TTK instead of the previous long but not good TTK or the current too-short TTK.
Faunher The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 39	Posted - 2013.12.16 08:08:00 - [16] - Quote Slash Frenzy wrote: TTK is not to short, you just have to get used to three points: - Intel is KING - Teamplay is vital - Cover is the best HP you can hope for I rest my case. The DPS of the four racial rifles (advanced tier and assault variants) all hover around 450. A well-tanked fit has around 600-700 HP. That's about two seconds of survival in optimal range. I rest my case.
Ghost Kaisar Kinsho Swords Caldari State 1183	Posted - 2013.12.16 08:12:00 - [17] - Quote Slash Frenzy wrote: TTK is not to short, you just have to get used to three points: - Intel is KING - Teamplay is vital - Cover is the best HP you can hope for I rest my case. Yet so few people realize this. It's really FPS logic basics. Gonna add a few of my own. -It's a game of angles. Create fire lanes, and watch the carnage. -Play to your strengths. Why would you fight at a disadvantage when you don't have to? -Get some Tactical Awareness. AKA Don't get tunnel vision. You should be aware of how the battlefield is changing around you. Minmatar Faction Warfare: Let's get Organized
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1275	Posted - 2013.12.16 08:17:00 - [18] - Quote iceyburnz wrote: Back in closed beta, the most vocal members of the forum whined and whined and whined some more about the "TTK being too long", "combat was slow and sluggish", "felt like you were firing pea guns". Ironically the people who did the most whining, arn't here anymore. Just sayin'. Geez. It's Eve. I would like my fitting to matter. Thing is CCP said they kinda want to do both. Not really possible if you ask me. But in a game like Dust TTK should be longer due to fittings. If you want to have a short TTK play CoD or Battlefield, where your only choice is what weapon you want.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui KOBAYASHI MARU PROJECT 218	Posted - 2013.12.16 14:36:00 - [19] - Quote Faunher wrote: Slash Frenzy wrote: TTK is not to short, you just have to get used to three points: - Intel is KING - Teamplay is vital - Cover is the best HP you can hope for I rest my case. The DPS of the four racial rifles (advanced tier and assault variants) all hover around 450. A well-tanked fit has around 600-700 HP. That's about two seconds of survival in optimal range. I rest my case. " BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!
DR FEB The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 116	Posted - 2013.12.16 15:05:00 - [20] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: People are melting like a snowman in the summer heat . We do have armor and shields . They show them on the actual character's suits . THEY DO NOTHING !!!!! Shield are BY FAR the weakest items on the game and break in a stone's throw . Armor is WAY STRONGER ( but it still melts easily as well ) and if you take the supposed weapons perspective's into account , none do any of what is advertised ( some better on shield's and some better on armor ) but they all kill just as fast though . It's all a joke and it's not even funny and tactic's has nothing to do with the simple fact that there are flaws that are not being addressed but instead they just make and add new ( flawed ) items into the market to divert your attention because they know how easily that most of you move away from one topic or point to another and are easily distracted as well as intercommunity insults and fighting as well . well,even snowmen take longer to melt in that heat. i bet if i put flavoring and a nice fruity color on the snowman,you will see that i can eat the iceman before you have a chance to say''imma summa lumma fumma dumma onna summa lamma anna da inna sida me isa meltina way fromma life-a'' try saying that out loud without mistake World champion for 360 No-scopes in dust with 20 headshot kills and 79 normal kills,all whilst using a militia sniper.

Rahl Draak Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 60	Posted - 2013.12.16 15:16:00 - [21] - Quote OMG, it's almost like there is.........auto ai....D'oh, I'm sorry, its dubbed "aim" "assist". Hmmmmmmmmmmmm......
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1911	Posted - 2013.12.16 15:22:00 - [22] - Quote Faunher wrote: Slash Frenzy wrote: TTK is not to short, you just have to get used to three points: - Intel is KING - Teamplay is vital - Cover is the best HP you can hope for I rest my case. The DPS of the four racial rifles (advanced tier and assault variants) all hover around 450. A well-tanked fit has around 600-700 HP. That's about two seconds of survival in optimal range. I rest my case. Anything longer than 2 seconds would start to get rediculous. The 3+ second range would require most rifles to reload at least once. Once you get into that threshold you have people dodging into cover during that period, which means you will get a lot of people waiting for their shields to reload, and we approach an extremely long TTK. I think its REALLY close to okay.
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 2106	Posted - 2013.12.16 16:03:00 - [23] - Quote I don't know when I keep my distance in my heavy suit I have enough time to get hit, figure out where the fire is coming from and bust back. "The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire." Book of Exiles 1:3
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 947	Posted - 2013.12.16 16:06:00 - [24] - Quote iceyburnz wrote: Back in closed beta, the most vocal members of the forum whined and whined and whined some more about the "TTK being too long", "combat was slow and sluggish", "felt like you were firing pea guns". Ironically the people who did the most whining, arn't here anymore. Just sayin'. TTK was long but because of mechanic issues like hit detection combined with speed & bunny hopping dances and this actually wasnt really fun.
Elmo Love U 514 Mile High Club 48	Posted - 2013.12.16 16:07:00 - [25] - Quote OMG you people! Your being shot in the face. "HEADSHOT" needs removed. Show me the money!
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8930	Posted - 2013.12.16 16:21:00 - [26] - Quote Hmm, it seems assault rifles are hitting too hard at long ranges...what should we do? Uhh, how about we introduce assault rifles that hit harder at longer ranges? ...... ******* brilliant, ship it. Vids / O7
Awry Barux Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 406	Posted - 2013.12.16 16:23:00 - [27] - Quote Faunher wrote: Slash Frenzy wrote: TTK is not to short, you just have to get used to three points: - Intel is KING - Teamplay is vital - Cover is the best HP you can hope for I rest my case. The DPS of the four racial rifles (advanced tier and assault variants) all hover around 450. A well-tanked fit has around 600-700 HP. That's about two seconds of survival in optimal range. I rest my case. You're fudging the math. 2x Complex damage mods + Prof III (attainable even on advanced suits and low-SP players) on a 450DPS rifle = 580.5 = barely over 1 second, or much less with a few headshots thrown in there. Not to mention the fact that many players can't/don't run bricked-out suits, and therefore are sitting more around 400-500 EHP.
lee corwood The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 37	Posted - 2013.12.16 16:23:00 - [28] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Slash Frenzy wrote: TTK is not to short, you just have to get used to three points: - Intel is KING - Teamplay is vital - Cover is the best HP you can hope for I rest my case. Yet so few people realize this. It's really FPS logic basics. Gonna add a few of my own. -It's a game of angles. Create fire lanes, and watch the carnage. -Play to your strengths. Why would you fight at a disadvantage when you don't have to? -Get some Tactical Awareness. AKA Don't get tunnel vision. You should be aware of how the battlefield is changing around you. While I agree with most of this, and hell, I'm a logi so I know I'm paper thin, I was one shot killed at full health by a charged Vizian(sp??) Scrambler Rifle to the body. I felt like giving up at that point. However, for the most part, I usually have a chance to jump, turn, at least engage before getting killed. I know not to run straight into fire and I NEVER go in anywhere alone. This is a team game. If you use that correctly, you'll find ttk is not that bad. I find truly balanced team on team action to be a blast. Also, like another posted, even as a logi, I often get my kills by backing away. They think I'm an easy target and come chasing. Draw them around a corner and your choices are multiple. RE on the ground, burn a grenade to the face and in general you know exactly where their hit box is coming allowing you to do the bulk of the damage before they can line up on you. Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
Jarod Garamonde Jr Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 10	Posted - 2013.12.16 16:24:00 - [29] - Quote The other guy got a lucky headshot on you. Get over it. Silly Infantrymen... CAS Requests are for Forward Observers...
General Erick Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 183	Posted - 2013.12.16 16:55:00 - [30] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Like I said , five shots and your dead and sometimes it's less than that . It doesn't matter how many HP's you have and even if your a Heavy , the same can be said . If you can't run your done and there's NO longevity in these matches , it's just get shot and die and watch the clone count decrease . Seven , Eight and sometimes even a Thousand HP's don't even matter so why try to place extra " buffers " between yourself and the inevitable ??? Placed most of my skill points into my core and to place any scanner on my fits would compromise me , skill increases really don't help my suit scanner so to place any of the mods that came with the skill set would compromise me again . Seems that was the ONLY thing that the skill set is really for , is to unlock extra mods because the increases are NOT NOTICEABLE . Following someone around with a scanner is futile and I would have thought that addressing my core skills would actually make a difference but the only actual difference is now I can place the better mods on a fit but at a price of defense or offense but I guess if I did so I could run or prepare to fight and place myself in a better position . With the NEW shield penalty it makes one more hurdle to jump over as well as not being able to place enough armor and armor reps on a fit . Guess if I was a Gal character then this might not be such a problem . Guess one lives ( not very long in Dust ) and one learns . *you're My Big Brother is watching you.

Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 512	Posted - 2013.12.16 17:25:00 - [31] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Hmm, it seems assault rifles are hitting too hard at long ranges...what should we do? Uhh, how about we introduce assault rifles that hit harder at longer ranges? ...... ******* brilliant, ship it. Not sure that's quite the deal. My playstyle works really well with the strenghts of the Caldari weapons and fittings...my TTK is subjectively getting a little bit better. Duvolles still rule in short range or multiple target engagements, guys are just extending the ranges of the fights because they have the hardware to actually do it now. I do think things need to be balanced a bit more for TTK at range vs short distance - I just want my fittings / ISK to matter a bit.
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 3366	Posted - 2013.12.16 17:34:00 - [32] - Quote Like I've Always said... Dieing before you can even react is bad. Reward skilled shooters damn it! GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 3 \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
Ku Shala Exiled Veteran Elite 701	Posted - 2013.12.16 17:35:00 - [33] - Quote TTK is close to optimal would be nice if it was longer than the average Lag First General of Exiled Veteran Elite Loyalty Is not always rewarded Caldari Loyalist
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 237	Posted - 2013.12.16 17:43:00 - [34] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Like I said , five shots and your dead and sometimes it's less than that . It doesn't matter how many HP's you have and even if your a Heavy , the same can be said . If you can't run your done and there's NO longevity in these matches , it's just get shot and die and watch the clone count decrease . Seven , Eight and sometimes even a Thousand HP's don't even matter so why try to place extra " buffers " between yourself and the inevitable ??? Placed most of my skill points into my core and to place any scanner on my fits would compromise me , skill increases really don't help my suit scanner so to place any of the mods that came with the skill set would compromise me again . Seems that was the ONLY thing that the skill set is really for , is to unlock extra mods because the increases are NOT NOTICEABLE . Following someone around with a scanner is futile and I would have thought that addressing my core skills would actually make a difference but the only actual difference is now I can place the better mods on a fit but at a price of defense or offense but I guess if I did so I could run or prepare to fight and place myself in a better position . With the NEW shield penalty it makes one more hurdle to jump over as well as not being able to place enough armor and armor reps on a fit . Guess if I was a Gal character then this might not be such a problem . Guess one lives ( not very long in Dust ) and one learns . Actually, TTK is relative in this game. If you engage someone within their optimal or effective ranges, then I would expect them to be able to deal maximum DPS upon you and thus kill you that much faster. However if you engage at longer ranges (like outside their effective range, but still within your effective or absolute ranges) then you will have enough time to not only recognize being hit, but where from, take cover, and return fire. So basically if you like to charge in and assault at closer ranges, then you will and should die faster. If you play more tactically and engage at more reasonable ranges, then you live a hell of a lot longer. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1593171#post1593171
LT Dans Legs Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 256	Posted - 2013.12.16 17:57:00 - [35] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Five shots and my dead what? More seriously though, yes, this is what everyone means when we say "TTK is too short". TTK is Time To Kill. It doesn't take long enough to kill another player. One of the great things about the game before 1.7 was always that you had enough time to figure out WHY you died in most situations. Before, long TTK was frustrating, because a large part of the reason for it to be long was the fact that your shots weren't registering. Now, that same TTK with improved hit detection would actually be ideal. You're landing hits, but not instantly obliterating the victim of your fire. It should take a few hits from most weapons to kill. Shotguns and Sniper Rifles should still have one-shot potential in many situations, because that's their role, but the main frontline Rifles, and some of the other rapid-fire weapons, need to be toned down a little, so players can actually get hit and still have a chance to make it to cover or start returning fire before melting. Well said.
lrian Locust Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 330	Posted - 2013.12.16 18:09:00 - [36] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Unfortunately this sweet spot is INCREDIBLY hard to find, we just have to hope CCP realise they are currently on the 'too short' end of the spectrum! Because hit detection was bad, CCP increased the damage of nearly all weapons by 10%. Now hit detection and aim assist are improved, we can take off those 10% again. Or start with 5%. See how that goes.
lrian Locust Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 330	Posted - 2013.12.16 18:16:00 - [37] - Quote lee corwood wrote: hell, I'm a logi so I know I'm paper thin YOU're paper thin?!? What about scouts!!!
J'Hiera Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 49	Posted - 2013.12.16 18:27:00 - [38] - Quote I dont play Heavy, but they seriously need a 5% per level damage reduction. They should strike fear and make you rethink your tactics with your squad. Nowadays I can solo a heavy easily. They need more than a buffer. Weapons also need they their 10% damage buff revoked, and individual weapons rethought (ie swarm launcher, as they just had their damage nerfed.) Either that, or the HP items needs to be rethought. 50hp difference from a basic to a complex armor plate is laughable. The 2% efficiacy bonus as well. And why the Hell do we even have aim assist? I want a CCP answer to why they thought it was a good idea. Was it to counter lag and fps because aiming in general was bad, or was it because they thought it would add tonthe gamplay, as they sort of state in the QA dev blog?
lee corwood The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 37	Posted - 2013.12.16 19:12:00 - [39] - Quote lrian Locust wrote: lee corwood wrote: hell, I'm a logi so I know I'm paper thin YOU're paper thin?!? What about scouts!!! I'll admit you're tissue paper, but feel that is part of both of our roles. However, I think scouts get screwed over the active scanner. They should be able to beat the scanner and as it is right now, from what I've read, at max skills, you still don't beat the scanner. I think that's a mistake. A big one. One piece of equipment on my suit shouldn't be able to nullify all that. A max scanner should be able to detect a newbie scout suit but a max scanner shouldn't beat proto scout. Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui KOBAYASHI MARU PROJECT 219	Posted - 2013.12.16 22:17:00 - [40] - Quote J'Hiera wrote: I dont play Heavy, but they seriously need a 5% per level damage reduction. They should strike fear and make you rethink your tactics with your squad. Nowadays I can solo a heavy easily. They need more than a buffer. Weapons also need they their 10% damage buff revoked, and individual weapons rethought (ie swarm launcher, as they just had their damage nerfed.) Either that, or the HP items needs to be rethought. 50hp difference from a basic to a complex armor plate is laughable. The 2% efficiacy bonus as well. And why the Hell do we even have aim assist? I want a CCP answer to why they thought it was a good idea. Was it to counter lag and fps because aiming in general was bad, or was it because they thought it would add tonthe gamplay, as they sort of state in the QA dev blog? " BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!

Aaroniero d'Lioncourt The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 317	Posted - 2013.12.16 22:25:00 - [41] - Quote OP you're just way too japanese. You even beat Nyain San for being japanese.
Faunher The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 42	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:17:00 - [42] - Quote Aaroniero d'Lioncourt wrote: OP you're just way too japanese. You even beat Nyain San for being japanese. I thought Nyain San was Vietnamese
Faunher The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 42	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:20:00 - [43] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Faunher wrote: Slash Frenzy wrote: TTK is not to short, you just have to get used to three points: - Intel is KING - Teamplay is vital - Cover is the best HP you can hope for I rest my case. The DPS of the four racial rifles (advanced tier and assault variants) all hover around 450. A well-tanked fit has around 600-700 HP. That's about two seconds of survival in optimal range. I rest my case. You're fudging the math. 2x Complex damage mods + Prof III (attainable even on advanced suits and low-SP players) on a 450DPS rifle = 580.5 = barely over 1 second, or much less with a few headshots thrown in there. Not to mention the fact that many players can't/don't run bricked-out suits, and therefore are sitting more around 400-500 EHP. I was being generous to the run-and-gun CoD players that have found their way into Dust.


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